Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Man in a blue box vs Blue man in a box. With the entertainment chip embedded he's bigger on the inside, you know.

I'm not sure where the timeline stuff finished up. The last couple of scenes with River and Amy in the garden and stuff, they felt like they followed directly on from the Doctor's death scene - but that would mean this whole season never happened so that's obviously not the case

Thought that it was shortly after his death, but that would mean that Amy's plastic and pregnant again and no one know who River is. Am not going to try to analyse it until it makes sense though, I think the one and only explanation for any of this series is "they didn't think it through".

No this is the rory and amy that were dropped off with the penis car. The Rory and Amy at Lake silence go and have the adventures of this series. Not sure how long ago they were dropped offf but Long enough for Amy to launch her own line of cosmetics and be in Colchester the day before the Doctor's death, but presumably not before Amy was last whisked away from Ledworth so as not to cross timelines (Amy is clearly showing a previously unrecognised talent for being shit hot at marketing).

RIver Song presumably barrels up sometime, let's say september 2011 straight from the forest with the weeping angels and tells mum the Dcotor is still alive.

the only way the colchester/ledworth/whichPondsarethese? works is by pretending

a) that the scene in the department never took place at all
b) that the scene took place in 2012 at the very least or later
c) that Amy and Rory left Ledworth months and months before which they couldn't have because River was conceived in the Tardis and therefore Amy would have been showing by the time they got to Utah (unless the Silence kidnapped her long before that, but then... do you see where this going? And this is just ONE small discrepancy in the whole season. Blah.)

I'm going with the first option, because it's the least complicated.

din't hate that finale overall though - just very, very unsatisfied. the Silence (race or religious order) are awesome villains that could have been used better in a superior story.

bah need to sleep, so many goddamn typos

- whichpondsarethese? conundrum*
- department store*
- do you see where this is* going?

http://www.shropshirestar.com/entertainment/2011/10/03/doctor-who-the-wedding-of-river-song-review/

I didn't feel as negatively about this as the reviewer but there is a lot of OTM in this review. OTOH, the comment made me lol.

Shut up djp

DJP reads the Shropshire Star o_O

DJP reads Google hits for lols

am i the only one that liked this?

there are several positive reviews out there, too

I didn't hate it, I just didn't think it was an unqualified success; partially this is because I do not buy the Doctor as a romantic individual unless the TARDIS is involved but mostly because if the TARDIS helped shape River than the Doctor is carrying on with both the TARDIS and its daughter

Amy's reaction to it all was great tho

also wondering if River is going to have a child that gets sent back in time to Gallifrey that will grow up to be Susan (ans: no, shut up DJP)

I guess I just expected more plot points to be resolved in a more satisfying way, for me it just seemed flat and anticlimactic.

I think the theme of the Doctor + love + family duty was pretty consistent in the 2nd half of this season, and I'm glad to see all of those themes come together, in a (to me) appropriate way. sure, the many-interrelated-stories thing was a little sloppy, but i don't think it's more so than a lot of the individual eposides?

http://www.aoltv.com/2011/10/02/doctor-whos-wild-ride-ends-with-a-wedding-is-it-time-to-slow/

The more I think about 'Doctor Who,' the more I wonder about the British model of showrunning. In that mode, you get one supreme writer who farms out scripts to individuals (whose scripts are often rewritten by the head writer). There's no writers' room in which ideas get batted around by a group; there's no group taking a hard look at whether the show is repeating itself or falling into ruts. In the American model, with the majority of writers meeting regularly to debate where the season and the characters should go, in theory, there's a chance for a greater variety of ideas and for certain hobbyhorses to get ridden a little less frequently.

What you end up getting with the British model, in which one writer rules supreme, are shows that very much reflect the proclivities and interests of one person, and that can make for a more coherent vision, but it can also be dangerous, because that grand supremo's ideas don't get questioned nearly as much. If a writers' room is working right (and I don't claim that it always does), people will raise their hands and voice concerns about a particular set of moves or creative directions that tend to come up again and again. Having other writers around is a form of self-editing; it's probably tougher on the ego, but I think it's often better for the creative process.

I liked the Brigadier scene, but it doesn't make any sense, does it? He's a time-traveler - why can't he just hang up and call back "5 months ago" or whenever?

That pissed me off too. Timey wimey blah blah but can't jump back a bit to see his old mate.

But the only day to deal with that - when the actor is dead - is to have a clunky bit of exposition. Also, the Doctor can't go back on his own timestream, or something.

worth it to pay a sweet tribute to Courtney, stfu grumps imo

It's not that he couldn't jump back to see his mate, it's that he was suddenly faced with the mortality he'd been avoiding up to then.

yes matt otm too

The scene where the Doctor sees Amy and Rory in the department store and some kid comes up for their autograph.

Was it just me who thought it might have meant that the Doctor had crossed over to 'reality' and what he actually observed was Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill?

(of course, the kiddy getting the autograph might actually have been completely genuine)

It was just you, yeah. You can tell it wasn't reality because there was a cyber-rat running around.

Not Actual 'reality', no. A 'performance' of it. Kiddy 'interrupting' possibly also staged, possibly not.

so in your reality Gillan has devised a perfume line that is advertised with great billboards of her face?

This is a country in which every fucking no-mark who has ever been on Big Brother has done, so that's about the most plausible bit of this theory, tbh.

Was just going to say, yes.

oh, I see what you're saying. and no, that's mental.

although the name of the perfume is the only thing now making me think there's any timeline problem with their appearance there, and if I check The Doctor's Wife it might go away

What was the name of the perfume?

Or is that the second question?

eau de pond

lol mark s

Petrichor, Mark G

Cyberman hiding

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg640/scaled.php?tn=0&server=640&filename=26snq.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

http://yfrog.com/hs26snqj

Does anyone else feel "yeah - Dr. Who starting in autumn, that works perfectly and will be great (and also boost ratings hopefully)!" but at the same time feel "GODDAMNIT Why do I have to wait so long, this is bullshit!!"

BTW anyone else try playing that "Worlds in Time" browser-based game? Totally shit, IMO.

I hate waiting too

This is for me the least anticipated series of Who since the final Rusty one. Last one was kind of a mess, despite some great episodes. Moffat is so much better as a guest writer than show runner IMO. I do really like Matt Smith, though.

1. I'm burning season 5 for someone and trying to get it all on one 4.7GB DVD and trying to include "Blink" -- I'm not going to screw up any canonicity by leaving out the Silurian two-parter, right?

2. Just watched Hartnell's "The Daleks." Wow, do I hate Ian Chesterton. Also, strangely not bothered by the hokey lack of sophistication that bugs me with a lot of classic Who.

I'm not going to screw up any
canonicity by leaving out the
Silurian two-parter, right?

You'll lose Rory's departure.

The Silurian lesbian crime fighter from Victorian London in S6 will make less sense.

Ian Chesterfield will always be good. I love The Daleks/The Mutants/Serial B etc and would (and have in the past) suggest it's top 10 of all time.

Yeah, you need to tell them to watch the last 10mins of Siluria on D4ilyM0tion or something.

Wow, do I hate Ian Chesterton.

Went back in time to SB you for this.

Daleks/Mutants is monster but waayy too padded at seven eps, when you're not watching week-by-week and not knowing anything about what comes next. Let's go back and forth between the Dalek city and the Thals camp AGAIN!

Grrr, he's totally a Season 1 Will Riker, being the "charismatic" young dude who keeps upstaging the older/ranking main character. His chauvanism is also nagl, imho.

Let's go back and forth between the Dalek city and the Thals camp AGAIN!

^^ My main complaint about the lion's share of the old serials I've seen.

Oh that obnoxious Chatteron..er.. Chesterton...
Lee OTM

Hartnell / Ian / Barbara / Susan is in top ten TARDIS teams of all time.

(I don't actually super care about Ian qua Ian)

I'd say he gets his comeuppance enough so that his character isn't actually a problem on the show -- doesn't mean I have to like that character even if its OG as it gets.

Olde Gallifreyan

lol

Barbara I quite fancy!

New SPOILERS

Disappointed that yet again they went with pretty 20something female. I'd welcome anything else, even if it meant James Corden.

I don't think this is going to help the feminist issues Moffat has been coming up against.

Like, a robot or a penguin or an older lady or a dude. Anything different, really.