Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

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New doctor, new decade...we can finally have a new thread (ropey title subject to regeneration).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnPUF8an-XE

mdskltr (blueski), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to it big time.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Matt Smith looks like The Doctor... of Anthropology. Its going to be a great series though, can't wait!

As your Dentist I recommend smoking: (Viceroy), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

is that standard uniform?

mdskltr (blueski), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not more converse ;_;

CATBEAST 7777 (ledge), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

What shoes would you have the Doctor wear, ledge?

I X Love (Abbott), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

He's still wearing Tennant's outfit there.

DavidM, Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

from the waist down, anyway...

DavidM, Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

xxp Just different ones! New dr, new shoes. Plus converse + smart troos is so noughties.

CATBEAST 7777 (ledge), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

i figure during the first episode he will explain the TARDIS having the ability to regenerate itself...for HIGH DEF

mdskltr (blueski), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

think his normal footwear will be black boots xpost

moron oil (Gukbe), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

good choice

CATBEAST 7777 (ledge), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Richard Curtis has written an episode featuring Vincent Van Gogh "stabbing a yellow monster".

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Saturday, 2 January 2010 17:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

> 6 billion masters trying to triangulate the signal

the listen for the space station thing was terrible, right up there with Prof Farnworth's Smelloscope

koogs, Saturday, 2 January 2010 19:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haha, posts from one thread are starting to seep thru to the other.

"the fabric of reality is melting, again, Doctor!"

kingfish, Saturday, 2 January 2010 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Am I the only who finds Matt Smith kind of unattractive?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Amy_Pond_cropped.jpg

Leee, Saturday, 2 January 2010 20:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

he's got kinda an ugly-hot thing going on, but better that than a teenybopper heartthrob IMO

musically, Saturday, 2 January 2010 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

While those swashbuckling vampire-like thingies in the trailer look pretty cool, haven't we reached vamp saturation point? Which made me think, perhaps they're not vampires at all, but haemovores, like in Curse of Fenric? The return of Fenric? That could be interesting...

Stew, Saturday, 2 January 2010 20:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Matt Smith is Easter Island on legs.

sacher torte reform (suzy), Saturday, 2 January 2010 21:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

He's no McDreamy McGann, but he has a certain awkward Chess Club hotness about him.

VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 2 January 2010 21:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

That pic of them running makes it look like they're late for the Riverdance.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 3 January 2010 03:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Spotted somewhere else, posted here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iUT3191g9k

kingfish, Sunday, 3 January 2010 09:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

why are time lords' hairs so oddly gelled in recent years?

did shockwaves have an intergalactic outpost on gallifrey before the fall?

Karen Tregaskin, Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

They're supposed to be Silurians I believe, although they look more like Sea Devils and they even have the Sea Devils' heat ray. And yes, they are vampires (in Venice, I think).

I do like in the clip the shocked look on his face when he punches the guy. I'm just hoping the leaked audio clip from a few months ago isn't typcal of his performance.

Never in, Kuyt (aldo), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Silurians and Sea Monsters are cousins anyway so np.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sea Devils even, jaysus.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

The one thing Moffatt has consistently done better than any Dr Who writer is tapping into things that genuinely do scare children shitless. So anything involving vampires is good with me, especially in Venice (which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes).

Pretty sure this season will be better than any nu-Who series with the possible exception of the first one. More historical shit and alien planets, fewer identikit industrial spaceships please. Also, needs more MYSTERY. It'd be great if the reason the finale was a Must Watch was because something massive was going to be revealed, rather than yer usual bombastic Davies ending.

Presumably Moffatt got Davies to drop in the Weeping Angels as imprisoned Timelords bit as something he's planning on developing in some way. Wonder if he's had something like that in mind since the start - it would make sense given that they can move people around in time and feed off the energy.

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Matt Smith is going to do a lot of gurning, isn't he? I just hope there isn't a big public backlash due to him not being Tennant that scuppers this series.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.

Moffatt set this development up way earlier with Ecclescake and "The Doctor Dances". But yes I agree he will probably be better than RTD at emo/romance bits - one of my favourite "aw" parts was in Silence in the Library, at the end when Donna just misses out on meeting her virtual husband. He's good at writing these really simple but effective scenes. none of RTD's soppy soliloquys.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Every time I watch that season trailer I get more excitable. This is gonna rock bells fuiud.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah Ecclestone's Doctor was more sheepish and embarassed geek than Tennant's full on drunken adolescent though - "Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete" etc.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh of course, i just meant that Moffatt arguably started the whole "the Doctor isn't an asexual weirdo after all" on nu-Who.

Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the difference is that Moffatt can do emotions and characters and stuff like that and Rusty...well, y'know...a fucking lottery ticket???????

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes

too similar to TGITF surely

just really interested to see how Moffat deals with the show outside his previous confines (writing the scary episode, not dealing with classic enemies) and how he'll do opening episodes and finales differently from RTD

mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

THIS IS PRETTY SHIT NEWS, TBH:

The soundtrack website Music From The Movies has a new interview with Doctor Who composer Murray Gold, in which Gold confirms that he will be staying on to compose the music for the 2010 series of Doctor Who.

In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.

http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/01/murray-gold-returns.html

James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ew, yes.

Alba, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh ffs I was sure that the terrible score for the last ep was a swan song.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was really hoping he'd go.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

:( was also so so hopeful he wld be gone

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was vainly hoping for a score of eerie ambient electronic noises.

Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh

Yeah, it's the intrusiveness which bugs me, which is surely a failing of some sound editor, rather than Gold himself. THough I, too, would love a return to Radiophonic Workshop ambient weirdo stuff.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I suppose my problem is more with the mixing than the score itself, but my feelings towards Mr Gold were not greatly improved by that Doctor Who Prom they did (christ knows why I was watching this - that time of day where sitting mindlessly in front of someone else's telly choices is about all I can manage I suppose) mentioning Murray Gold's Amazing Wonderful Doctor Who Theme Tune approx 6000 times, Ron Grainer maybe once, Delia Derbyshire 0 times

brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

i reckon if they're going to rip off windowlicker so badly, they might as well hand over the score-writing duties to mr richard d james - not like he's doing anything much else at the moment except hanging round the synth shed smoking weed

that would be a welcome return to weird radiophonic noises

Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really don't know why Moffat would get rid of everything else from the RTD era, but decide that Murray Gold is a keeper.

think his normal footwear will be black boots

The boots are Prada.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5952/eleventhdoctorpromojanu.jpg

All a bit wibbly-wobbly torchy-worchy.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Looks like an old-school Doctor there, right enough

stet, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

A dalek turned up in "better off ted" this week.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece

Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am a big fan of Mark Gatiss' movie geekery, but it should be saved for BBC4 docs, not put into Bill's mouth for no reason.

Also got a vibe of "I have CAREFULLY studied Victorian-era vocab" from the writing though perhaps that's just me as a non-brit being less acquainted.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 11 June 2017 14:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Enjoyed this - Alpha Centauri cyclops alien voice at the end was wtf hilarious.

They didn't explain why the TARDIS did a runner right? Presumably some kind of paradoxy Missy trick.

nashwan, Sunday, 11 June 2017 14:10 (one week ago) Permalink

No, I don't recall that being mentioned at all. Also, what was all that 'are you all right?' at the end? I couldn't parse it and the scene just died there.

Brakhage, Sunday, 11 June 2017 15:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Ha had no idea :

Blast from the past: Mark Gatiss, Steven Moffat and Peter Capaldi on the return of Alpha Centauri!#DoctorWho pic.twitter.com/0LrtrYVggC

— Doctor Who Official (@bbcdoctorwho) June 11, 2017

Brakhage, Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:27 (one week ago) Permalink

hah that's great

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:31 (one week ago) Permalink

i quite enjoyed that ep! tbh I was distracted by how the Empress looked a bit like Predator tho

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 June 2017 16:34 (one week ago) Permalink

So, predictably this was yet another mediocre Mark Gatiss episode. It seemed they could've gotten something cool out of these themes, like the idea of the Victorian army being so chauvinistic they honestly believe Mars belongs to them too, but everything here was so perfunctory, so uninspired. Just soldiers and rubber aliens shooting each other in a boring cave set, with the Do ctor shouting at everyone. I really don't understand why they keep letting Gatiss write episodes for the series, when nothing he has done for it has been any good?

Tuomas, Sunday, 11 June 2017 20:10 (one week ago) Permalink

an uninspired but OK episode.

i liked how they had one guy being all "can't wait to get home!" and he lives.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 11 June 2017 20:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Huh? If you're talking about the black soldier who showed the other guy the photo of his fiancé waiting back home, the Ice Warriors did kill him later. (As per the cliché of what happens to anyone who shows a picture of his family in a war story.)

Tuomas, Sunday, 11 June 2017 21:47 (one week ago) Permalink

oh really? missed that bit.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 11 June 2017 22:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Was that death by Ice Warrior effect new? Looked like the soldier got reduced to something that folded inside clothing like you fold a shirt or something. Don't remember seeing that before. But not sure when I've seen more than one Ice Warrior at a time remotely recently. & the solo one on the Russian sub was Matt Smith wasn't it?

Stevolende, Sunday, 11 June 2017 22:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Were they just firing a bundle of clothing etc representing a dead soldier out of a tshirt cannon or something.
Just couldn't see what the Ice Warrior weapon was supposed to be doing to a human to have that effect. Didn't see anything resembling a body in it.

Stevolende, Monday, 12 June 2017 00:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Also, while I know Dr. Who is hardly hard sci-fi, I wish they could've at least come up with some justification why Mars in this episode had Earth-like gravity, not the lower gravity it should. It looked like they just forgot about that.

Tuomas, Monday, 12 June 2017 05:40 (one week ago) Permalink

And it was never even explained why the Ice Warriors had gone into hibernation? Based on what the Queen says, Mars still had an atmosphere when they went to sleep, so what was the point of it?

Tuomas, Monday, 12 June 2017 05:44 (one week ago) Permalink

There was a war, the Ice Warriors went into hibernation to regroup, they overslept and the planet died underneath them. That seems to be what the episode was going for, anyway.

As soon as I heard the voice answering the distress beacon, I went "oh my god, it's Alpha Centauri"

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Monday, 12 June 2017 11:17 (one week ago) Permalink

colonialism overextending its grasp to mars is an interesting idea but this was just kinda... dull

alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 June 2017 11:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Gatiss has been quoted as saying he was not keen to cast a black man as a Victorian British soldier due to the perceived 'unlikeliness', in this show of shows, and seems to have even protested it until it turned out there were records to indicate a precedent. This has come from the Telegraph though so not entirely reliable.

nashwan, Monday, 12 June 2017 12:05 (one week ago) Permalink

I was incredibly annoyed that the black soldier was sacrificed by the dickhead captain.

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Monday, 12 June 2017 13:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, if they decided to have a black man as a soldier because there was historical prececent, did they really have to make him the only sympathetic character who dies in the episode? Also, even though Victorian attitudes regarding women were addressed, none of the white soldiers seemed to display any racism towards that soldier or Bill, which seems incredibly unlikely. (And it's not like the show isn't afraid to show us racism of the olden times, as we saw in "Thin Ice".)

It seems like Gatiss coul

Tuomas, Monday, 12 June 2017 18:21 (one week ago) Permalink

...it seems like easily could've easily looked into the theme of racism and othering, making the black soldier and Bill sympathise to with the Ice Warriors, because they're both alien to the Victorian white male. But this episode was really a prime example of a story that has many potentially interesting ideas but refuses to develop them in a satisfying way.

Tuomas, Monday, 12 June 2017 18:25 (one week ago) Permalink

That is just as facile as what we got; it was much more interesting to have Godsacre as a deserter finding his courage against his oily, self-interested second-in-command while the black soldier was just a soldier. Also, said black soldier getting used as a literal human shield for Catchlove so I'm not sure how much more racism you were looking for.

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 12 June 2017 18:36 (one week ago) Permalink

But not sure when I've seen more than one Ice Warrior at a time remotely recently.

It was 43 years, 6 weeks and 2 days since the last episode with more than one Ice Warrior in it.

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 01:04 (one week ago) Permalink

that's not how the song goes

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 01:07 (one week ago) Permalink

<3

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 01:10 (one week ago) Permalink

It's been 43 years, 6 weeks and 5 days since you took your giant green genderqueer penis wearing a cape away.

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 01:35 (one week ago) Permalink

ah ah-ah ah ahhhhhhhhh

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 01:42 (one week ago) Permalink

Cor there was some bad acting and dialogue in this one.

when nothing he has done for it has been any good?

The Unquiet Dead was good. Granted that was 10 years ago.

chap, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 12:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Cor there was some bad acting and dialogue in this one.

g a t i s s

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 12:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Enjoyed that. Rona munro is the first classic series writer to return, right? Glad it wasn't the Bakers.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 18 June 2017 12:04 (five days ago) Permalink

after some pretty poor episodes, yes that was good.

Fizzles, Sunday, 18 June 2017 21:55 (five days ago) Permalink

And the finale looks as though it will be fun, though I suspect I know how it will pan out.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 18 June 2017 23:30 (five days ago) Permalink

Liked the monster and the clothes and the landscape. Roman-Pictish friendship a bit forced but whatever. Someone had been watching Stranger Things.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 19 June 2017 12:13 (four days ago) Permalink

Something I've noticed about the more recent historicals is that whenever we meet historical people, they're always the same: they want to kill each other or some thing, and need to have the Doctor explain to them that this would be a bad idea, which he does eventually. A few of the historical people get killed along the way, but they always end up listening to him.

They always end up learning the key lesson: that you must not kill the monster, because she's just guarding her eggs, or: humans must team up to kill the monster.

Also historical people are just like normal today people, only they need a bit of help to be nice like us. They rarely ever strongly exhibit any of the real-life behaviours and attitudes of historical people that we would find depraved or wrong. There's always just a bit of racism and sexism and child labour, or whatever - mention of Romans taking slaves and burning down farms, sure, but not seen on screen, no Picts collecting heads; but what I mean is the program doesn't try to deal with the fact that our time machine has cropped up in a context where these things are just normal as far as most people are concerned. The unacceptable is always fixable.

The more difficult task would be to show historical people being absolutely horrible but also to show the underlying causes for this behaviour. That I guess would be for the writers to take an educational approach to history as opposed to using history to flavour a formulaic plot to get variations in it.

And again the naughtiness of these historical people is always kind of naive - it's that they must fight, because it is their traditional way! But now the Doctor has come to show them that really all humans are lovely. So you don't get, e.g. a story about Conquistadores knowingly loading up a ship with worthless glass beads to go and fleece some Mayans, out of self interest, because it'll make them rich. Or a witch hunter going round 16th century Lancashire opportunistically looking for women to hang so he gets his money. The program doesn't try to deal with gnarly, real-life naughtiness of that kind.

This isn't meant to be a takedown as such - I have absolutely no idea how you'd present Victorian racism or any other kind of historical violence, to modern children, in a fantasy fictional setting, in a way that was age appropriate and not boring; just it's interesting to see the strategy they go with.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 19 June 2017 12:36 (four days ago) Permalink

Hah, that's interesting, because I actually thought something adjacent to those points when I was watching the previous episode: a) the representation of the Imperial British Army as a force for plunder was about as subtle as the anti-capitalism a few weeks back (which, tick vg that is the appropriate amount of subtlety for displaying the IBA to kids) and b) one of the lead characters doesn't see the light and turn to the Doctor's side but quite the opposite, he embraces the soldier's way (as the Doctor is peevish about).

A plot hole I think about the regiment - is it just "Hooray lads, the commander's had a character arc, we're all Ice Warriors now?". The TARDIS could take them back, but that ruins the line about how no-one will ever know what happened here.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 June 2017 19:16 (four days ago) Permalink

I don't think the show flinches from showing barbarity; just not necessarily in the historicals, and not necessarily in this season, which seems to be all about relative power in relationships (or, er, checking your interdimensional privilege - sorry).

Anyway, that last one was really excellent, Murray Gold and wobbly time vortex SFX notwithstanding. Basically it was the same as Gattiss's episode, except written by an adult. Two things I especially liked: a plot and resolution that made sense (or at least Doctor Who sense); and actual slow *distinguishable* dialogue instead of the usual Moffat babblestreams. Wish we could get ten more of those before Capaldi fucks off.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 19 June 2017 22:51 (four days ago) Permalink

Also fucking hell the acting was a lot better than last week's.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 19 June 2017 22:53 (four days ago) Permalink

I enjoyed this, but also didn't care even a little bit about anyone in it who wasn't in the TARDIS crew, which was a little odd for me.

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 19 June 2017 22:53 (four days ago) Permalink

There was a point where I actively caught myself rooting for the light-eater.

I enjoyed doing this, mind you, but I don't think that's the type of enjoyment the episode was going for.

Actually, I really liked the crows.

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 19 June 2017 22:55 (four days ago) Permalink

(I had a similar reaction to "Survival", actually; I mostly enjoyed watching it but I also really, really wanted all of Ace's friends to die)

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 19 June 2017 22:56 (four days ago) Permalink

this whole year feels like a tepid greatest hits, which is not how i expected moffat to go out

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 19 June 2017 23:46 (four days ago) Permalink

Yeah but he already went out two years ago with a deliberate build up and “The End” on screen, this year was never meant to be by him

When the Doctor came out of the cave after staring at the Season 11 title sequence for two days he should have fallen onto a handy mattress

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Monday, 19 June 2017 23:51 (four days ago) Permalink

this year was never meant to be by him

i hope someone writes an explosive book about this era

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 19 June 2017 23:53 (four days ago) Permalink

there's no secret - the BBC wanted Chibnall but he wasn't available for three years bcz Broadchurch, Moffatt was begged to come back and fill in once he'd had a break and could face it again.

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 01:49 (three days ago) Permalink

makes sense

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 01:51 (three days ago) Permalink

The more difficult task would be to show historical people being absolutely horrible but also to show the underlying causes for this behaviour. That I guess would be for the writers to take an educational approach to history as opposed to using history to flavour a formulaic plot to get variations in it.

This is a good point, and just offering an off-the-cuff response, maybe it's because the show tends to portray modern-day people as more pathologically terrible, and make the historicals more redeemable because of a nostalgic idea of the past being a more innocent time?

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:15 (three days ago) Permalink

was a bit weird having two "army is difficult" + "desertion isn't cowardice" episodes in a row.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 22:04 (three days ago) Permalink

talk to the five episodes at the start of the season that were all about humanity's tools being used for evil

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 22:57 (three days ago) Permalink

if this had run where it was meant to (4th or 5th ep), both those problems would have been solved

Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 00:54 (two days ago) Permalink

well there was a part where Bill asked "you were just trying to get them to stand in that gate the whole time, weren't you?" and he says "yes of course that's a half-dozen less murderous, raping slavers and mutilators running around" but it got cut

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 01:25 (two days ago) Permalink

something i'm never very clear on, sic - why do they change the order of the episodes like that? My very rudimentary sense of how things work is that there are a set of stories they decide to go with (perhaps having been written with the sense of a few themes that might be in the series) and Moffat will shove in some story arc stuff, sometimes more or less crudely (bit at end of story), sometimes woven into the original story a bit more.

If that's the case I can see why some stories might be ordered one way in terms of arc, and in another according to series pacing. But maybe I'm probably just ignoring something about the logistics of series production here.

xp

Fizzles, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 06:51 (two days ago) Permalink


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