New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

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So January 26, 2010 is the big media event for the iSlate/iTablet/iWhatever. Rumors and lusting go here.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 1 January 2010 21:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

FWIW, Gruber has a decent analysis of the tablet here: http://daringfireball.net/2009/12/the_tablet

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 1 January 2010 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

More commentary...

Desktops can use fast, cheap, power-hungry, high-capacity hardware and present your applications on giant screens. They can have lots of ports, accept lots of peripherals, and perform any possible computing role. Their interface is a keyboard and mouse, a desk, and a chair. They’re always internet-connected, they’re always plugged in, they always have their printers and scanners and other peripherals connected, and their in-use ergonomics can be excellent. But you can only use desktops when you’re at those desks.

iPhones use slow, low-capacity, ultra-low-power hardware on a tiny screen with almost no ports and very few compatible peripherals. They can do only a small (albeit useful) subset of general computing roles. They are poorly suited to text input of significant length, such as writing documents or composing nontrivial emails, or tasks requiring a mix of frequent, precise navigation and typing, such as editing a spreadsheet or writing code. But they’re always in your pocket, ready to be whipped out at any time for quick use, even if you’re standing, walking, riding in a vehicle, eating, or waiting on a line at the bank. You can carry one with you in nearly any circumstances without noticing its size or weight.

Laptops are a strange, inefficient tradeoff between an iPhone’s portability and a desktop’s capabilities. They don’t satisfy either need extremely well, but they’re much closer to desktops than they are to iPhones. The usefulness and portability gap between a laptop and an iPhone is staggeringly vast (1:00). You don’t have them with you most of the time, they’re big and heavy (even the MacBook Air weighs 10 times as much and consumes about 10 times as much space as an iPhone 3GS), and they can only be practically used while sitting down (or standing at a tall ledge). Ergonomics are awful unless you effectively turn them into desktops with stands and external peripherals. But they can do nearly any computing task that desktops can do, and they’re able to replace desktops for many people.

Many devices (real, vapor, and theoretical) have tried to fill that vast portability gap between laptops and iPhones (even back when they were called PDAs and they didn’t have voice or wireless data capabilities and nobody bought them except rich people and geeks like me). Historically, this has never succeeded in a way that’s even close to mass-market penetration, including impressively forgettable eras as the “palmtop” computer and the Tablet PC.

Slate-type devices, like the thank-God-it-was-canned Smart Display and the it-might-be-released-now-but-who-cares JooJoo, have the limitations of keyboard-less design that make long text entry or complex editing impractical. But their screens are too large to comfortably use for frequent touch input. And they’re too big to fit in a pocket.

Tiny-keyboarded devices, like the thank-God-it-was-also-canned Palm Foleo and nearly every netbook, haven’t proven to be useful to most people because they’re simply smaller laptops, replicating nearly every laptop flaw while forcing compromises on laptop functionality. The keyboards are too small to be anywhere near as useful as a desktop’s or laptop’s, and the devices are far too large to be pocketed.

(I have no idea what the Microsoft Surface is for.)

The text-input mechanism seems to be the big hurdle required to bridge this portability-and-usefulness gap. So far, nobody has nailed it.

I don’t know what Apple has in mind for the Tablet, but they nailed it with the iPhone: after decades of clunky, awkward, mediocre pocket computers, I think it’s safe to say that the large touchscreen is the best input mechanism for them.

But the decision isn’t nearly as clear for a slate-type device with a 7-10” screen, which most people assume to be the Tablet’s form factor. There doesn’t seem to be a good solution. No device in this category has ever even been close to good. This — and Jobs’ toilet comment, as mentioned in John’s article — is what kept me doubting the Tablet’s existence for so long. But even the most conservative intelligence-gathering indicates that the Tablet project is extremely likely to be not only real, but close to release. (Although the late-January event seems a bit soon and could plausibly be for other products, like iLife.)

I see two possible outcomes: either Apple has come up with a radical new input method for this form-factor that will overcome the fundamental problems that made every other similar device suck, or the Tablet isn’t this form-factor.

(Sure, there’s a third possibility: that Apple is repeating the mistakes of similar products and making their own JooJoo or Foleo. But that’s too unlikely — and stupid — for me to take seriously.)

Given that the reliable information we have to go on is… absolutely nothing, either outcome seems equally likely. I predict the new-input-method solution. I have doubts that such a product could be as much of a replacement for general-purpose portable computing as John predicts, but I’m wrong a lot.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 2 January 2010 01:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

it is upon us

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I bumped the other thread today cos I thought the thing was today

VVVVVVV this poster is dumb

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's perhaps a sign of my fanboyism that I am already imagining how I'm gonna use this thing before it's even been announced

i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

like I was thinking on the train today "hmm wouldn't it be nice if I had a nicely laid out electronic version of the times to page through at this very moment"

i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

For names, I am rooting for iPad.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/New-Commercial-Shows-Apple-iPad-Tablet.aspx

kenan, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

WHOA xpost. Yeah, that video.

kenan, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

carnival of stupid is in full swing already
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vmIMIua4M5k/S131Zg4pM4I/AAAAAAAAAWQ/TtNaxyrxCko/picture-16.png

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm ready to buy one just so I can use this: http://www.bitcartel.com/comicbooklover/

(comic book reader for iPhone and Mac that supports cbz and cbr files)

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

pretty sure steve's one more thing won't be the tablet but DUKE NUKEM FOREVER

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wonder if these guys who make these fake ads think they're gonna get a job in apple's advertising department as a a result

i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

such a waste of fcp/motion skills

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

still think this guy should have got a gig
http://img.skitch.com/20100126-dhhynmssew6iwujmhjyq5pdc.jpg

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is the event tomorrow or Wednesday?

Jeff, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wednesday

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Momus has one

http://imomus.livejournal.com/520114.html

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

bah its fake!

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Please let this thing run Serato.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/01/26/tablet

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

exciting

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5955/itablet.jpg

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Please let this thing run Serato.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Serato is actually the main interface to the OS

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hear the tablet is actually manufactured by Numark and will come with red racing stripes.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

comes with a grounding wire

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

will also function as a fridge magnet iirc

i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

you have to buy two of them to be a real tablet dj

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

like this guy:

http://www.fakesteve.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Moses-Jobs72.jpg

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

so amazing the amount that has been written (and illustrated) about this w/o apple publicly saying word one about it

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

i heard it can go up stairs by itself

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

I heard it doesn't have a name so death can't find it, it doesn't have a home or people to care for. it's not afraid of anything, men least of all. It's fast and strong like a big wind. It can hear for a hundred miles and see a hundred miles underwater. It can hide in the shadow of a noon sun. It could be right behind you and you wouldn't know it 'til you're dead.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

CANT WAIT TO NOT BUY THIS

mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha fantastic post gukbe

Maria, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, good post, but from what I'm reading none of that is confirmed

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

i want to be jaded and w/e but i have a feeling that i'm really, really gonna want one of these immediately

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

ur a doctor qed

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

sike! me too

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Harvey Dent, he's at it again!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

starting in 17 minutes

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

From that engadget post:

9:42AM Okay! We're in our seats and there's some Dylan playing on the sound system!

9:11AM Overall the mood is really jovial right now. It's basically a party in the U.S.A.

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well, now I know not to read that coverage.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

basically a party in the U.S.A.

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

new board motto

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

iPads seem like they'd be v hard to use for work vis-a-vis manipulating files, folders, multitasking, etc?

Mordy, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:40 (three days ago) Permalink

new iOS is supposed to have more file support but it's all in the cloud now, no?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:46 (three days ago) Permalink

nah, there's a files thingy

mh, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:36 (three days ago) Permalink

imo ipad is awesome for everything i do at home that is not work-related - browsing, shopping, watching videos, streaming music, etc

the late great, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:44 (three days ago) Permalink

i've been toying with the idea of getting a new laptop (my chromebook is underpowered) but i kinda think the latest ipads are probably enough?

gbx, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:48 (three days ago) Permalink

how will you torrent stuff

||||||||, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 22:55 (three days ago) Permalink

xp personally, i don't think an ipad would get me through work (which in my case involves lots and lots of word processing, some spreadsheets, some scientific visualization and some graphic design). i occasionally play high-end video games on my laptop. and like i said upthread, i use a laptop for music production. but if my work gave me a laptop i could take home, and i wasn't using a laptop for music, i'd probably just have an ipad.

the late great, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 23:00 (three days ago) Permalink

i know a few medical people that only use an ipad. all they would need a computer for is email, calendaring, looking stuff up on the internet and billing hours (quicken) and the ipad can handle all of that.

the late great, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 23:05 (three days ago) Permalink

iPad seems like it would be great for music production if the software were there. all the twiddly knobs and faders and such.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 23:16 (three days ago) Permalink

there is a pretty cool app called "logic remote" that lets you use the ipad as a controller for logic

http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/apple-logic-remote-ipad-controller-app-what-does-it-do-580192

the late great, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 23:26 (three days ago) Permalink

it's pretty fun, you can set up the ipad as a keyboard (piano style) or pads (like a drum machine) and one person can bang away on it while the other person adjusts the sound parameters on the laptop, etc

the late great, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 23:29 (three days ago) Permalink

There is fantastic software for the ipad to do all kinds of music. I think there are two competing technologies for routing but you can basically synchronize and interconnect any number of sequencers, synthesizers, effects processors etc all within the ipad.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 23:41 (three days ago) Permalink

KRFT FTW!

DJI, Thursday, 16 November 2017 00:37 (two days ago) Permalink

Yeah work made me "upgrade" from my 2012 MBP Retina when the battery started to glitch out. Aside from being slightly thinner there is not a single thing I like better about the new model. Aside from the pointless touchbar the keyboard itself sounds like dropping scrabble pieces into a plastic bucket, making it impossible to write notes quietly during meetings etc. And I had to spend $150 on a metal box having the same ports with a USB-C connector, so that someone accountable only to Jony Ive could achieve design minimalism, or maybe so that 0.02% of owners could attach 4 monitors or something like that.
After a decent interval I am going to attempt battery surgery on the old one.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:00 (two days ago) Permalink

i replaced the battery in mine recently (at an independent shop for much less than apple wanted) and it's working great

Mordy, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:01 (two days ago) Permalink

Maybe go to fewer meetings

calstars, Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:25 (two days ago) Permalink

MBP ‘09 still working great (after maxing out the RAM, changing the battery and installing SSD)!

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 16 November 2017 07:35 (two days ago) Permalink

Calstars I take my laptop to meetings so I can get actual work done during the meeting time which is why I need a quiet keyboard

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 November 2017 08:53 (two days ago) Permalink

ppl who work in their laptops in meetings r disgusting savages soz

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 08:59 (two days ago) Permalink

I can handle yr judgement more than I can handle an hour of people griping at each other while I am trapped there (I work in a university)

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 November 2017 09:51 (two days ago) Permalink

"i'm just taking notes of this pointless backbiting, don't mind me"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 10:02 (two days ago) Permalink

you spoke much truth there

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 November 2017 12:34 (two days ago) Permalink

wait, there are people who don't work during meetings? I guess there are the sleepers.

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 16 November 2017 12:36 (two days ago) Permalink

it drives me absolutely bananas. you have a meeting and half the table is typing on their laptops. it's like being in middle school. "bueller?" uh yes, sorry? ffs just don't come to the meeting if you're 1) not going to listen 2) not going to engage and participate 3) quite openly ignore everyone who is attempting to do those things

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 12:42 (two days ago) Permalink

Most of what I do is actioning the shit that people decide we should do after the meeting - i.e. "we should circulate that document", "we should check the policy on X and decide if it applied", "someone should make a list of all the people we need to discuss this with" so I just do it right there, instead of going away with a list of yet more stuff to do. So it's pretty engaged but also trying to reduce the impact of yet another fucking meeting on my time, so I can go back to my office and check ILX.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 November 2017 12:55 (two days ago) Permalink

A guy I know gives a meeting ten minutes then says "I shouldn't be here" and bounces. I've started doing the same, works wonders.

stet, Thursday, 16 November 2017 13:06 (two days ago) Permalink

xpost i'll allow it :)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 13:24 (two days ago) Permalink

all of my meetings are laser-focused but i’ve still posted on ilx during them

mh, Thursday, 16 November 2017 13:42 (two days ago) Permalink

I'm just going to change the battery and install an SSD. will cost me 150

||||||||, Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:43 (two days ago) Permalink

Why are laptops allowed in meetings at all? Tracer OTM

and ffs there's a raging cancer of rude people who think it's acceptable to be staring at their phones in meetings

Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:51 (two days ago) Permalink

half of my meetings are teleconferences, where you plug the video conference device into your laptop to connect to the rest of the team!

mh, Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:56 (two days ago) Permalink

Ban meetings not laptops

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:02 (two days ago) Permalink

That works too

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:05 (two days ago) Permalink

caek otm

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:06 (two days ago) Permalink

controversial but: meetings are good

big meetings are horrible though

mh, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:11 (two days ago) Permalink

Meetings are a necessary evil. When we evolve our collective eusocial shared hive mind we should eliminate them.

Mordy, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:32 (two days ago) Permalink

I've gotta have a platform for grandstanding, just yapping in the hallway won't cut it

mh, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:50 (two days ago) Permalink

I like the old joke that the collective iq of a meeting is the iq if the dumbest person in the room, divided by the number of people in the room

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:09 (two days ago) Permalink

wtf y'all I'm typing during a meeting 'cause I'm taking notes like a maniac as my memory is a worthless sieve and if I don't take detailed notes I might as well have not even been there at all

Dan I., Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:40 (two days ago) Permalink

and lets not even mention my sloth-like writing hand and the illegible scrawl it produces

Dan I., Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:42 (two days ago) Permalink

I'm typing during a meeting to get real work done. If someone really cares what I think then I'll stop and say something. Otherwise why give full attention to the blah blah blah?

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:46 (two days ago) Permalink

wtf y'all I'm typing during a meeting 'cause I'm taking notes like a maniac as my memory is a worthless sieve and if I don't take detailed notes I might as well have not even been there at all

― Dan I., Friday, 17 November 2017 9:40 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and lets not even mention my sloth-like writing hand and the illegible scrawl it produces

― Dan I., Friday, 17 November 2017 9:42 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^This

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 17 November 2017 03:07 (yesterday) Permalink

So many times there are people in meetings who are there just in case the other people need their knowledge and/or opinion on specific things on which they are experts. You want to have these people near if anything comes up for which you need their input but at the same time you don't want to waste an hour of their time, so you invite them to the meeting and let them work on their own things, and a couple of times per meeting you ask them to pay attention and answer some questions. It's the most efficient way to get the work done.

silverfish, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:59 (yesterday) Permalink

Otm

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:32 (yesterday) Permalink

Step this way --> Classic or Dud: Typing on laptops in meetings

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 November 2017 16:40 (yesterday) Permalink

i love it when ilx talks about work (instead of actually working obvs) - we should have a board for it

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:22 (yesterday) Permalink

after one week with the iphone x i like it a lot. i don't miss touchid. faceid is probably slower, i think they make you swipe up to hide this fact, because it doesn't feel slower if you have to gesture. faceid has been very good, only not gotten me maybe once? screen is fantastic.

it also cost me $1250

, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:14 (yesterday) Permalink

i played with it in the store and i had a hard time swiping the upper corners when i held it one-handed. are you having issues with that or are you using it two handed?

the late great, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:28 (yesterday) Permalink

I'm instinctivly worried that having to make eye contact to unlock would be a major hassle but I can't really assess whether that is such a problem in real life

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:36 (yesterday) Permalink

yeah there's no way i can swipe from the upper corners with one hand without reachability. i've adapted to using two

eye contact - it's not really eye contact more just like eye direction of the screen. it actually works too if i have my head tilted down parallel to screen but eyes looking at something above and in the distance it won't unlock

, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:48 (yesterday) Permalink


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