New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

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So January 26, 2010 is the big media event for the iSlate/iTablet/iWhatever. Rumors and lusting go here.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 1 January 2010 21:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

FWIW, Gruber has a decent analysis of the tablet here: http://daringfireball.net/2009/12/the_tablet

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 1 January 2010 21:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

More commentary...

Desktops can use fast, cheap, power-hungry, high-capacity hardware and present your applications on giant screens. They can have lots of ports, accept lots of peripherals, and perform any possible computing role. Their interface is a keyboard and mouse, a desk, and a chair. They’re always internet-connected, they’re always plugged in, they always have their printers and scanners and other peripherals connected, and their in-use ergonomics can be excellent. But you can only use desktops when you’re at those desks.

iPhones use slow, low-capacity, ultra-low-power hardware on a tiny screen with almost no ports and very few compatible peripherals. They can do only a small (albeit useful) subset of general computing roles. They are poorly suited to text input of significant length, such as writing documents or composing nontrivial emails, or tasks requiring a mix of frequent, precise navigation and typing, such as editing a spreadsheet or writing code. But they’re always in your pocket, ready to be whipped out at any time for quick use, even if you’re standing, walking, riding in a vehicle, eating, or waiting on a line at the bank. You can carry one with you in nearly any circumstances without noticing its size or weight.

Laptops are a strange, inefficient tradeoff between an iPhone’s portability and a desktop’s capabilities. They don’t satisfy either need extremely well, but they’re much closer to desktops than they are to iPhones. The usefulness and portability gap between a laptop and an iPhone is staggeringly vast (1:00). You don’t have them with you most of the time, they’re big and heavy (even the MacBook Air weighs 10 times as much and consumes about 10 times as much space as an iPhone 3GS), and they can only be practically used while sitting down (or standing at a tall ledge). Ergonomics are awful unless you effectively turn them into desktops with stands and external peripherals. But they can do nearly any computing task that desktops can do, and they’re able to replace desktops for many people.

Many devices (real, vapor, and theoretical) have tried to fill that vast portability gap between laptops and iPhones (even back when they were called PDAs and they didn’t have voice or wireless data capabilities and nobody bought them except rich people and geeks like me). Historically, this has never succeeded in a way that’s even close to mass-market penetration, including impressively forgettable eras as the “palmtop” computer and the Tablet PC.

Slate-type devices, like the thank-God-it-was-canned Smart Display and the it-might-be-released-now-but-who-cares JooJoo, have the limitations of keyboard-less design that make long text entry or complex editing impractical. But their screens are too large to comfortably use for frequent touch input. And they’re too big to fit in a pocket.

Tiny-keyboarded devices, like the thank-God-it-was-also-canned Palm Foleo and nearly every netbook, haven’t proven to be useful to most people because they’re simply smaller laptops, replicating nearly every laptop flaw while forcing compromises on laptop functionality. The keyboards are too small to be anywhere near as useful as a desktop’s or laptop’s, and the devices are far too large to be pocketed.

(I have no idea what the Microsoft Surface is for.)

The text-input mechanism seems to be the big hurdle required to bridge this portability-and-usefulness gap. So far, nobody has nailed it.

I don’t know what Apple has in mind for the Tablet, but they nailed it with the iPhone: after decades of clunky, awkward, mediocre pocket computers, I think it’s safe to say that the large touchscreen is the best input mechanism for them.

But the decision isn’t nearly as clear for a slate-type device with a 7-10” screen, which most people assume to be the Tablet’s form factor. There doesn’t seem to be a good solution. No device in this category has ever even been close to good. This — and Jobs’ toilet comment, as mentioned in John’s article — is what kept me doubting the Tablet’s existence for so long. But even the most conservative intelligence-gathering indicates that the Tablet project is extremely likely to be not only real, but close to release. (Although the late-January event seems a bit soon and could plausibly be for other products, like iLife.)

I see two possible outcomes: either Apple has come up with a radical new input method for this form-factor that will overcome the fundamental problems that made every other similar device suck, or the Tablet isn’t this form-factor.

(Sure, there’s a third possibility: that Apple is repeating the mistakes of similar products and making their own JooJoo or Foleo. But that’s too unlikely — and stupid — for me to take seriously.)

Given that the reliable information we have to go on is… absolutely nothing, either outcome seems equally likely. I predict the new-input-method solution. I have doubts that such a product could be as much of a replacement for general-purpose portable computing as John predicts, but I’m wrong a lot.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 2 January 2010 01:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

it is upon us

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I bumped the other thread today cos I thought the thing was today

VVVVVVV this poster is dumb

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's perhaps a sign of my fanboyism that I am already imagining how I'm gonna use this thing before it's even been announced

i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

like I was thinking on the train today "hmm wouldn't it be nice if I had a nicely laid out electronic version of the times to page through at this very moment"

i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

For names, I am rooting for iPad.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/New-Commercial-Shows-Apple-iPad-Tablet.aspx

kenan, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

WHOA xpost. Yeah, that video.

kenan, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

carnival of stupid is in full swing already
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vmIMIua4M5k/S131Zg4pM4I/AAAAAAAAAWQ/TtNaxyrxCko/picture-16.png

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm ready to buy one just so I can use this: http://www.bitcartel.com/comicbooklover/

(comic book reader for iPhone and Mac that supports cbz and cbr files)

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

pretty sure steve's one more thing won't be the tablet but DUKE NUKEM FOREVER

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wonder if these guys who make these fake ads think they're gonna get a job in apple's advertising department as a a result

i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

such a waste of fcp/motion skills

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

still think this guy should have got a gig
http://img.skitch.com/20100126-dhhynmssew6iwujmhjyq5pdc.jpg

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is the event tomorrow or Wednesday?

Jeff, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wednesday

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 04:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Momus has one

http://imomus.livejournal.com/520114.html

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

bah its fake!

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Please let this thing run Serato.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/01/26/tablet

kshighway (ksh), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

exciting

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5955/itablet.jpg

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 03:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Please let this thing run Serato.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:27 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Serato is actually the main interface to the OS

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hear the tablet is actually manufactured by Numark and will come with red racing stripes.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

comes with a grounding wire

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

will also function as a fridge magnet iirc

i'm with stupid ☞ (dyao), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

you have to buy two of them to be a real tablet dj

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

like this guy:

http://www.fakesteve.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Moses-Jobs72.jpg

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

so amazing the amount that has been written (and illustrated) about this w/o apple publicly saying word one about it

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

i heard it can go up stairs by itself

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

I heard it doesn't have a name so death can't find it, it doesn't have a home or people to care for. it's not afraid of anything, men least of all. It's fast and strong like a big wind. It can hear for a hundred miles and see a hundred miles underwater. It can hide in the shadow of a noon sun. It could be right behind you and you wouldn't know it 'til you're dead.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

CANT WAIT TO NOT BUY THIS

mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

haha fantastic post gukbe

Maria, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, good post, but from what I'm reading none of that is confirmed

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

i want to be jaded and w/e but i have a feeling that i'm really, really gonna want one of these immediately

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

ur a doctor qed

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

sike! me too

I think ur a probotector (cozen), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Harvey Dent, he's at it again!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

starting in 17 minutes

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

From that engadget post:

9:42AM Okay! We're in our seats and there's some Dylan playing on the sound system!

9:11AM Overall the mood is really jovial right now. It's basically a party in the U.S.A.

kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well, now I know not to read that coverage.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

basically a party in the U.S.A.

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

new board motto

his power told him (about the fish) (gbx), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

all of my meetings are laser-focused but i’ve still posted on ilx during them

mh, Thursday, 16 November 2017 13:42 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm just going to change the battery and install an SSD. will cost me 150

||||||||, Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Why are laptops allowed in meetings at all? Tracer OTM

and ffs there's a raging cancer of rude people who think it's acceptable to be staring at their phones in meetings

Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:51 (two months ago) Permalink

half of my meetings are teleconferences, where you plug the video conference device into your laptop to connect to the rest of the team!

mh, Thursday, 16 November 2017 20:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Ban meetings not laptops

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:02 (two months ago) Permalink

That works too

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:05 (two months ago) Permalink

caek otm

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:06 (two months ago) Permalink

controversial but: meetings are good

big meetings are horrible though

mh, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:11 (two months ago) Permalink

Meetings are a necessary evil. When we evolve our collective eusocial shared hive mind we should eliminate them.

Mordy, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:32 (two months ago) Permalink

I've gotta have a platform for grandstanding, just yapping in the hallway won't cut it

mh, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:50 (two months ago) Permalink

I like the old joke that the collective iq of a meeting is the iq if the dumbest person in the room, divided by the number of people in the room

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:09 (two months ago) Permalink

wtf y'all I'm typing during a meeting 'cause I'm taking notes like a maniac as my memory is a worthless sieve and if I don't take detailed notes I might as well have not even been there at all

Dan I., Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:40 (two months ago) Permalink

and lets not even mention my sloth-like writing hand and the illegible scrawl it produces

Dan I., Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:42 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm typing during a meeting to get real work done. If someone really cares what I think then I'll stop and say something. Otherwise why give full attention to the blah blah blah?

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:46 (two months ago) Permalink

wtf y'all I'm typing during a meeting 'cause I'm taking notes like a maniac as my memory is a worthless sieve and if I don't take detailed notes I might as well have not even been there at all

― Dan I., Friday, 17 November 2017 9:40 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and lets not even mention my sloth-like writing hand and the illegible scrawl it produces

― Dan I., Friday, 17 November 2017 9:42 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^This

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 17 November 2017 03:07 (two months ago) Permalink

So many times there are people in meetings who are there just in case the other people need their knowledge and/or opinion on specific things on which they are experts. You want to have these people near if anything comes up for which you need their input but at the same time you don't want to waste an hour of their time, so you invite them to the meeting and let them work on their own things, and a couple of times per meeting you ask them to pay attention and answer some questions. It's the most efficient way to get the work done.

silverfish, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Otm

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:32 (two months ago) Permalink

Step this way --> Classic or Dud: Typing on laptops in meetings

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 November 2017 16:40 (two months ago) Permalink

i love it when ilx talks about work (instead of actually working obvs) - we should have a board for it

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 17 November 2017 20:22 (two months ago) Permalink

after one week with the iphone x i like it a lot. i don't miss touchid. faceid is probably slower, i think they make you swipe up to hide this fact, because it doesn't feel slower if you have to gesture. faceid has been very good, only not gotten me maybe once? screen is fantastic.

it also cost me $1250

, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:14 (two months ago) Permalink

i played with it in the store and i had a hard time swiping the upper corners when i held it one-handed. are you having issues with that or are you using it two handed?

the late great, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:28 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm instinctivly worried that having to make eye contact to unlock would be a major hassle but I can't really assess whether that is such a problem in real life

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 17 November 2017 21:36 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah there's no way i can swipe from the upper corners with one hand without reachability. i've adapted to using two

eye contact - it's not really eye contact more just like eye direction of the screen. it actually works too if i have my head tilted down parallel to screen but eyes looking at something above and in the distance it won't unlock

, Friday, 17 November 2017 21:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I sadly returned mine. I gave it the full 2 weeks, but it was immediately causing pain behind my eyes every time I looked at it. Haven't had any more pain since returning. Might go with an 8 on black friday, but may just hold onto my 6 until next year.

Spencer Chow, Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:52 (two months ago) Permalink

hello from tenphone

mh, Friday, 1 December 2017 19:45 (one month ago) Permalink

hello

the late great, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:10 (one month ago) Permalink

what's the future like?

the late great, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:10 (one month ago) Permalink

a little bigger, a little dimmer tbh

bought a little inductive charger buddy for my desk at work but slamming all the apps back from backup is taking a toll

plus you can’t play with the phone while it’s sitting there, so I’m cable tethered for the moment

mh, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:14 (one month ago) Permalink

tsk tsk you should be working, not playing on yr phone!!!

the late great, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:33 (one month ago) Permalink

me too tbh

the late great, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:33 (one month ago) Permalink

it's a shame their software is so fucking sloppy atm because the x is incredibly solid hardware

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Still miss a headphone jack tbh

stet, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:54 (one month ago) Permalink

I asked for AirPods for chanukah, not because my SE lacks a headphone jack but bc I keep losing earbuds

.oO (silby), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:55 (one month ago) Permalink

I'll probably lose AirPods too but at least I'll feel guilty about it

.oO (silby), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:55 (one month ago) Permalink

honestly i thought the lack of a headphone jack would shit me to tears, but i don't catch headphones cables on door knobs and tear them off my skull and fire them across the room and into walls anymore so

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:58 (one month ago) Permalink

xp the airpods are fantastic, apart from regular split-second dropouts that only seem to happen when they're paired to my iphone. no other bluetooth headphones do it, and the airpods don't do it when paired to my watch. assuming it's yet another ios 11 bug that will get fixed in ios 14.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:59 (one month ago) Permalink

I know I’m an easily amused tween at heart, but... animojis!

going to torture some friends now

mh, Friday, 1 December 2017 23:10 (one month ago) Permalink

I got an X at the weekend and it is a massive improvement over the 6plus. FaceID is highly functional and the gestures have become very natural, I wish there were more or more that you could cutomise - turning on reachability was pretty useful.

Apple Pay is a lot faster and more functional, particularly when I learnt you don't actually have to be looking at faceID when it's on the reader. Just Double click on the side, look and tap.

I'm also impressed that lock screen notifications say 'Notificaiotn' till you properly look at the screen.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 10 December 2017 22:31 (one month ago) Permalink

face id is kind of slow but touchid got incrementally faster via software and near instant in the next model phone so I’m gonna day it’s already on the right track

(please do not save this and make me eat my words in a year)

mh, Sunday, 10 December 2017 22:41 (one month ago) Permalink

FaceID works mostly fine (snappier especially after turning off the attention requirement) but once in a while the phone won’t unlock no matter how long I stare at it.
How do you activate reachability with the new gesture?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 10 December 2017 22:51 (one month ago) Permalink

reachability: turn it on in settings, pull down on the bottom of the screen instead of up

mh, Sunday, 10 December 2017 22:58 (one month ago) Permalink

It’s in the accessibility settings.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 11 December 2017 08:37 (one month ago) Permalink

aha ok thanks - weird that they buried it in the settings. I used it all the time on my 6

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 11 December 2017 11:24 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

about a month in face ID is the feature that noone wanted. appreciate the (almost) full screen, border-less design but face ID is a nuisance.

thinking that if they update the iphone SE this march as is rumored i may downgrade, but that's in the context of more broadly wanting to de-emphasize smartphones in my life

, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

hm, just not working fast or what?

Spottie, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

fails more often than touch ID, requires more thought as to ‘how am i gonna look at this thing til it unlocks’

, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I want there to be a new SE but I probably won't even buy it until I hit the end of the road on OS updates on the current one. Definitely trying to tune out from my smartphone as much as I can

.oO (silby), Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

feel like touch id, at least on the early ones where you had a learning curve of the timing and exactly how to get your finger on there and it became near effortless in the second gen

face id is a little tougher but I’ve already caught myself responding to the feedback curve of how to hold the phone, face angle, etc so it maybe fails once every other day

having to lift your head a little when grabbing your phone from bed is rude, though

mh, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

not unlocking when on the table and youre looking down at it is the biggest offender. despite my attempts to machine learn it. with touchid the biggest fail point was wet/dirty hands or gloved hands but otherwise worked great

also with touch id you could give multiple people access to a phone (ie put yourself on yr parents phone for tech support purposes) - cant do that with faceid also fear that youll mess up the machine learning by having it scan the non-primary users face too often

, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 21:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Lame. Wonder if they’ll add the touchiD to the back of the phone for future versions like originally rumored?

Spottie, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 22:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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