Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - hate or anticipate here

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Trailer! Another with an incongruous ROCK soundtrack.

Anyway, can’t lie: cautiously stoked for this, and that's despite it looking like a set-piece-by-set-piece rehash of Gladiator and/or Kingdom of Heaven.

Maybe doing this (another historical epic), to be followed by another Alien suggests that Scott is treading water, running on fumes, no longer willing/able to push boundaries/envelopes. We shall see.
I still think this looks fun though. What can I say, I'm an optimist who is also something of a Ridley stan.

DavidM, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:52 (eleven years ago) link

Fuck this IMO.

Prince of Thieves 4Ever

smashing aspirant (milo z), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

I remember reading that everyone working on this movie was miserable because Russell Crowe kept making them listen to his music.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

Jolly fat monk + Christian Bale + Sheriff of Nottingham + Sheriff's evil/dumb henchman + Connery cameo = tied with Field of Dreams/Red October for favorite childhood movie

smashing aspirant (milo z), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

very few circumstances where i wont see a ridley scott movie

max, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

body of lies and american gangster were both mediocre tho

max, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

True. Though when watching both of those I was thinking "hey, this isn't as bad as they say". After though I couldn't remember a thing about either.

DavidM, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

AmGa was truly shit. i kind of liked 'body of lies', mark strong killin it as ever.

Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

i will likely see this, 'kingdom of heaven' was dope. more stoked for 'the forever war', though.

you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 21:07 (eleven years ago) link

Body of Lies was well made but boring as hell. It's a feat to take Leo and Crowe (actors I like), and guns and spy stuff, and make me quit caring by the time the last third rolls around.

smashing aspirant (milo z), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:23 (eleven years ago) link

body of lies fine rome which this probably more resembles deathly boring and rubbish

conrad, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:05 (eleven years ago) link

i salute your way with punctuation, sir.

Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:15 (eleven years ago) link

very few circumstances where i wont see a ridley scott movie

― max, Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

true, and i was cautiously stoked about this myself up until i saw crowe's mug emerge from the water. i don't dislike him, but the whole movie became suddenly very boring, just because i know what's gonna happen. also milo otm, <3 prince of thieves. and, too: why are we making another Robin Hood film??? esp since it really looks like it won't be THAT different from Prince of Thieves...basically splitting the diff between Gladiator and Braveheart and adding robin hood

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think anything could make me watch another Robin Hood film.

grobravara hollaglob (dowd), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:33 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

so this is him wishing he'd done kingdom of heaven w/ crowe instead of ornaldo, rite?

goole, Monday, 8 February 2010 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

weird that i'm thinking a lot about this...

scott has already done a sword-and-sandal epic that did really well. he's already done a sword-and-shield epic about going to the crusades and back, and it didn't do that well iirc. so now he's going to mash them both up?

both movies are hella enjoyable but i end up thinking badly about them cos the characterization and ideas at work in them are so crowd-satisfying and relatably modern. the eras in question are just alien, the romans and the medieval europeans are people with entirely different things in their brains. i know why gladiator and kingdom of heaven are the way they are, but i can't help being disappointed by them, in a nerdy fussy way.

i mean this:

http://jischinger.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/plague.jpg

is europe in the middle ages, not speeches about god loving us all despite our differences, and every man being a knight in his own way. it's another planet, back then.

goole, Monday, 8 February 2010 19:42 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

this was pretty awful.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

Mr. Crowe, man of the people:

Russell Crowe has identified media corporations such as News Corp and Disney as the thing Robin Hood would be fighting today if he existed. Speaking at this afternoon’s press conference, the Robin Hood star said: “My feeling is that if he was alive today, he would be looking at the dissemination of media as the greatest injustice in the world.”
Crowe, who has a notoriously bad relationship with the press, went on to attack one journalist whom, he implied, stalked people. And he swatted another Times of London reporter for suggesting that Crowe and director Ridley Scott had made a politically correct fable.
The Australian star hinted there might be a sequel providing the movie passes an unspecified box office milestone.
It was producer Brian Grazer who first pitched the idea of rebooting Robin Hood when they were making American Gangster together, Crowe said. He wanted to do the project because he said the character’s motivation has never been properly explained until now. Ridley Scott was also keen to get away from what Mel Brooks sent up in Men In Tights. That’s why Richard the Lionheart is killed off in the first minute of the movie. “Whatever you think about Robin Hood has been a perfectly understandable mistake,” Crowe quipped.
Co-star Cate Blanchett arrived to face the photographers’ bear pit looking ravishing in a pink suit. Even Crowe did his best to humour the paparazzi, despite his drumming fingers betraying his impatience. Producer Brian Grazer accompanied both stars looking for all the world like Struwwelpeter.
Some journalists from smaller European countries asked predictably obscure questions. Nearly every question was directed to Crowe. “Russell, tell us about your leather outfit,” drooled one German reporter.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

That last couples of sentences there.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

im determined to like this

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

I remember reading that everyone working on this movie was miserable because Russell Crowe kept making them listen to his music.

lolled for real at this

Cheese? In MY coffee? (It's more likely than you think!) (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

history mayne, i was determined as well. :(

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

wonder if hollywood will ever stop giving ridley scott 'mad bank' to make these films

he hasn't had a real hit since, like, 'black hawk down', 8-9 years ago

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:36 (eleven years ago) link

I sort of enjoyed Kingdom of Heaven when I saw it the other week but it was pretty dumb.

Robin Hood is a lame character so eff this really

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:40 (eleven years ago) link

luvved Prince of Thieves as a kid, so I'm pretty excited for this. How badly can it suck, really?

crazy ass between (askance johnson), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:42 (eleven years ago) link

really, really badly

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:42 (eleven years ago) link

kingdom of heaven tanked in the US but did very well internationally i thought

velko, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:43 (eleven years ago) link

Anticihate

mandatory seersucker (Eazy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

"American Gangster" made a fuckton of money

Cheese? In MY coffee? (It's more likely than you think!) (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

OH SHIT, HE'S DOING "THE FOREVER WAR"

Cheese? In MY coffee? (It's more likely than you think!) (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

^^^ Robin Hood in space suits??

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven is good, actually. no amount of extra time can save RH though, unless you also excise a lot as well.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 19:51 (eleven years ago) link

^^^

was gonna say this. the studio ripped out a good amount of scenes that made the movie actually make sense..

mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:23 (eleven years ago) link

Assume it was the director's cut I saw on TV, had no problem with it making sense but can really do without that horrible thing where u have a historical setting full of peeps behaving like 21st Century guys

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:26 (eleven years ago) link

remember waking up after falling asleep during gladiator after sneaking into it after walking out of U-571 after ten mins ten years ago

all these films are shit

conrad, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

Assume it was the director's cut I saw on TV, had no problem with it making sense but can really do without that horrible thing where u have a historical setting full of peeps behaving like 21st Century guys

so you weren't a fan of the bump-n-grind scene in A Knight's Tale

Cheese? In MY coffee? (It's more likely than you think!) (HI DERE), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

the movie makes sense in its normal cut it just isn't fleshed out very well, e.g. eva green's son who gets lepresy. xposts

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

haha totally thought about A Knight's Tale when watching RH since both films get going with a similar plot device. then realized they're both Brian Helgeland.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

a knight's tale good movie

conrad, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

My feeling is that if [Robin Hood] was alive today, he would be looking at the dissemination of media as the greatest injustice in the world.

It must suck to be trailed by photographers, but Crowe can eat as many bags of dicks as there are stars in the sky for this.

da croupier, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

can deal with shit like Knight's Tale, just don't think anachronism is awesome in serious business movie

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:30 (eleven years ago) link

also, re: RH

SPOILER ALERT

can we please stop having women turn up in armour on a battlefied. maybe i'm only thinking of Miranda Otto in LOTR (I AM NO MAN), but really, we've just got to stop this shit.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:33 (eleven years ago) link

Tons of historically documented accounts of hot babes turning up to medieval battles in disguise tho

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

also, Otto's character slaying the Witch King was in the book too so nyah

(latebloomer) (latebloomer), Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:33 (eleven years ago) link

also "I AM NO MAN" was fucking awesome so why don't u let the womyn fight, dickcheese and go cower in the corner of battlefield while they save your ass!

(latebloomer) (latebloomer), Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:38 (eleven years ago) link

also Robin Hood ain't even a real historical person so its not like it matters

also eff this movie it looks like ass

(latebloomer) (latebloomer), Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:42 (eleven years ago) link

this was p tite

better than 'american gangster'

kinda eisenstein/griffith ish

does sean connery come in at the end to kiss the bride

(latebloomer) (latebloomer), Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:46 (eleven years ago) link

xp you're going to have to come up with something better than "better than american gangster" if you want to make the posters. want to believe this is good, hoping for gladiator w/ bows and arrows basically.

joe, Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:47 (eleven years ago) link

what gladiator needed was a crowe/t-rex fight, not medieval weaponry

(latebloomer) (latebloomer), Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:48 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't like 'gladiator' but this was better than 'gladiator'

<3 u cate blanchett

i think the sequel will own hard

latebloomer, take it to ANNOUNCEMENT - CALL FOR PITCHES - MAX AND LAMP FILM PRODUCTION COMPANY LLC

joe, Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

ok, i will watch this and probably enjoy it.

joe, Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

already am tired of hearing I DECREE HIM AN OUUUUTLLAWWWRRRRRR in commercials again and again and again

Nhex, Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:54 (eleven years ago) link

Love the defending of Eowyn from latebloomer, who says chivalry's dead.

not_goodwin, Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:54 (eleven years ago) link

clearly wanted to make a movie about political intrigue in medieval england. would have been kind of great without all the robin hood stuff. also f u guys marion and the kids on ponies turning up at the battled was next level stupid. also starting a petition to ban scott from ever attempting humour or levity in his films, coz it's just awkward now.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Thursday, 13 May 2010 23:54 (eleven years ago) link

i agree the final battle was kind of suck

did they really have normandy-type landing craft in 1199? i don't think that kind of boat was even around in 1915

and the music was really meh. should have just used prokoviev or whatever.

though all these bitches complaining about the accents... what did 12th century brits sound like? iirc the nobs all spoke french anyway.

complaining about accents in this is dumb. i was desperate to like it because of the general historical accuracy (not robin, obv). the look and the feel were great. it was just the plot kept getting in the way. btw i don't think there will be a sequel. i can't see this performing well at the box office.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Friday, 14 May 2010 00:13 (eleven years ago) link

opening weekend aside, of course, and i don't even have much faith in that.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Friday, 14 May 2010 00:13 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i can't entirely see this being huge -- or huge enough. apparently it cost $230m or something crazy. but i don't understand what other people like.

or don't like. a lot of 'em liked "avatar". fewer liked "public enemies".

complicated story + general lack of fun = box office failure imo

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Friday, 14 May 2010 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

did you guys know that "robin hood ballads" were one of the main species of british ballads for centuries? in fact they were the major way the story was spread and retained for much of that time.

i advise looking up some of these ballad texts, since this phenomenon is likely to be 100,000x as interesting as this film. which i might see, against my better judgement, this weekend.

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 14 May 2010 04:50 (eleven years ago) link

also ALL people in historical movies act like 20th and 21st century folks to some extent. how could it be otherwise? and there are some pretty great films (sansho dayu anyone?) that effectively rewrite the ideology of past eras to suit the present (in a politically-correct fashion). but some do it in intelligent ways, and some are just dumb. i though kingdom of heaven was somewhere in-between.

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 14 May 2010 04:51 (eleven years ago) link

Not seen this but it seems like yet another attempt to "reimagine" a traditional hero so he's "darker" and "more complex". I'm assuming he waterboards Guy of Gisbon.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 14 May 2010 07:56 (eleven years ago) link

no, no, not at all

it is kinda gruff, but not in that way

Really? The whole trailer/posters hint at that Dark Knight thing to me.

Also does the traditional "British creepy gay" appear as villain?

I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 14 May 2010 08:01 (eleven years ago) link

does this have the mumble mumble LOUD MUSIC mumble mumble that ruined gladiator? dude needs to enunciate.

tomofthenest, Friday, 14 May 2010 08:04 (eleven years ago) link

it's totally not a "dark knight" thing. robin in this is uncomplicatedly heroic, and the dastardly french are uncomplicatedly evil.

there are multiple villains, but none of them read as gay, i don't think. the main one is kinda french. but then this is only 130 years after the norman conquest so.

there is a bit too much mumbling, yes (though not of course from cate), and the music is underwhelming.

yeah, not 'Dark Knight' in the character sense. it is an attempt to graft the myth onto actual historical events, however, and the two do not sit together very well.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Friday, 14 May 2010 12:08 (eleven years ago) link

" Cinematographer John Mathieson, using a palette of dank mud greens and grays, seems to be going for kitchen-sink medievalism, and in the process gives us the ugliest England imaginable, a country hardly worth saving. "

stephanie zacharek is an idiot with no aesthetic sense

if anything england looks too pretty

not with cate blanchett front and centre it doesn't

cate blanchett is gd hott

is she maid marian then? in a joan of arc-y kind of getup?

taylory dayne (goole), Friday, 14 May 2010 14:32 (eleven years ago) link

meh-d marian

^madness. Cate rules.

Whirlwind Bromance (Tom D.), Friday, 14 May 2010 14:57 (eleven years ago) link

Cate is great, but the movie's a snore.

Simon H., Friday, 14 May 2010 16:05 (eleven years ago) link

they should have cut the backstory, made it a bit less braveheart-y, and done a different ending... the first battle seemed pretty "realistic", but the beach invasion not so much.

still dug it tho. streets ahead of most big-budget action cinema.

cate blanchett is gd hott

Does she play the Morgan Freeman character from Prince of Thieves?

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 May 2010 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

no. brian blessed's.

What a virtuoso!

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 May 2010 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

people are really embarrassing themselves with this "tea party" meme.

ayo scott: "This Robin is no socialist bandit practicing freelance wealth redistribution, but rather a manly libertarian rebel striking out against high taxes and a big government scheme to trample the ancient liberties of property owners and provincial nobles. Don’t tread on him!"

now, "ancient liberties"? how long does he thing the barons of 12th century england had been running things, exactly? i get that he's being funny, but other people are being very serious about it indeed and kinda showing their ignorance.

Richard I is widely considered one of the worst kings of all time btw

Consensus Working Overtime (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 May 2010 10:39 (eleven years ago) link

it's because he wasted the half of his rule not spent in the crusades by interrupting other people's weddings and insisting on kissing the bride

(latebloomer) (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 May 2010 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

okay this was way more rousing than it should have been. I think Matchstick Men was the only thing i've moderately liked in the last 18 years or so. This one had more of a classical feel than i was expecting, and only 2 scenes with those stupid blue filters, which he weirdly abandoned for most nighttime scenes. Also his bonecrunching 30fps close-up battle scenes, usually about the worst part of his films, were for the most part pretty short, or even montages, as if he wasn't even really interested in that. Brian Helgeland made the political intrigue relatively intriguing and a whole bunch of decisions (SPOILER - the king leading the battle charge, Kate and the kids showing up w/o fanfare) kept winning me over.

Didn't know the whole thing was an origin story, thought it would be like Batman Begins with like half origin story, half in-character, so i started getting pissed for a little while that they were just fucking around with the title like Alice in Wonderland, also King John's transformation at the very end was pretty rushed and really sold his arc short. Otherwise i think i'm actually psyched for a sequel?

Cosmo Vitelli, Sunday, 16 May 2010 20:34 (eleven years ago) link

bonecrunching 30fps close-up battle scenes

yeah nobody has used those interestingly, even hurt locker (which i think was more like 3,000fps) used them in a way that felt clichéd to me.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 17 May 2010 00:02 (eleven years ago) link

Just saw this tonight and I was impressed. Story was engaging, action was tight and brutal without going for gore-porn, loved the decision to make it an origin story...and there were no corny notes to it. Nothing felt hamfisted, or overblown. Would see it again for sure. Loved Cate as Marion, loved the chemistry with her & Rusty. Wouldve liked more abt the lost boys...and yeah, Johns arc was a bit too swift at the end there.

VegemiteGrrrl, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 04:38 (eleven years ago) link

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/robin_hood_script_russell_crow.html

this is good reporting

not sure t-stoppz earned his dough tbqh

long time listener, first time balla (history mayne), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 09:33 (eleven years ago) link

The first version sounds interesting.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 09:47 (eleven years ago) link

that role reversal thing is a well-worn idea surely? not that i can think of any examples right now.

Scott told a reporter that the original premise was “fucking ridiculous” and that “you’d end up spending 80% of the publicity budget explaining why it was Nottingham and not just Robin Hood.”

what a disaster for the publicity budget.

I don't want to go into my newt details (ledge), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 09:49 (eleven years ago) link

Here's an idea - a modern day 'Nottingham' with Robin Hood based on this fellow (when he gets out of prison).

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:06 (eleven years ago) link

Wasn't into it at all. Blanchett was good, the French castle siege was great, the production design and cinematography were obviously great, other than that it felt padded, talky and slow. Crowe didn't engage me in the slightest, and what the hell was his accent supposed to be? It switched between RP, Irish and, mysteriously, Scouse. And, fucking hell, it's a Robin Hood film, I want him to fire more than three arrows!

rhythm fixated member (chap), Sunday, 23 May 2010 23:37 (eleven years ago) link

well to be fair 2 of those 3 arrows were in the last couple minutes of the film where he actually becomes Robin Hood. And this was still miles better than American Gangster or the Ornaldo Bloomps Crusades movie.

Cosmo Vitelli, Sunday, 23 May 2010 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

though all these bitches complaining about the accents... what did 12th century brits sound like? iirc the nobs all spoke french anyway.

Wouldn't bother me if Russel stuck to one accent! Randomly flipping between approximations of various regional accents and then throwing in a Father to a Murdered Son growl every now and then is just distracting.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 24 May 2010 00:16 (eleven years ago) link

this was by no means as bad as i was fearing. mix of completely ridic melodramatic plotting with quite variegated style (typical lightly-psuedo-documentary/slow-mo/zoom-heavy craziness for action scenes, wide framings and crane shots for "lyrical"/emotional interludes, etc.) that makes it totally middle-of-the-road but in an intelligent-enough way.

i only noticed crowe's fluctuating accents two or three times.

also where i have i seen the french would-be queen before? she looked familiar.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2010 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

by the way i think once you accept the melodramatic contrivances (e.g. you'd think britain had like 20 people in it the way people keep running into each other/knowing each other's fathers/etc.) it's plenty enjoyable. i think some of the critics were distracted by the film's really pathetic attempts to make this thing gritty and/or "meaningful" and thus judged it by a standard that doesn't fairly apply. scott and crowe are partly to blame for that. they both sound like assholes based on all the press btw.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2010 00:32 (eleven years ago) link

in other words, three solid stars.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2010 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

French queen = Lea Seydoux. I just imdb'd her, she was one of the cute LaPadite sisters in the Inglourious Basterds opening.

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 24 May 2010 00:54 (eleven years ago) link

aha! i KNEW it.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2010 00:59 (eleven years ago) link


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