ALTMAN POLL

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

if we've done this, i cant find it

Poll Results

OptionVotes
The Long Goodbye (1973) 12
McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971) 12
Nashville (1975) 11
3 Women (aka Robert Altman's 3 Women) (1977) 8
MASH (1970) 6
Short Cuts (1993) 5
Gosford Park (2001) 5
California Split (1974) 4
Popeye (1980) 4
A Prairie Home Companion 3
Thieves Like Us (1974) 1
Vincent and Theo (1990) 1
O.C. & Stiggs (1984) (released in 1987) 1
The Player (1992) 1
That Cold Day in the Park (1969) 1
A Wedding (1978) 1
Quintet (1979) 1
Prêt-à-Porter also known as Ready to Wear (1994) 1
The Katherine Reed Story (1965) (short documentary) 0
Kansas City (1996) 0
The Gingerbread Man (1998) 0
Cookie's Fortune (1999) 0
Dr. T & the Women (2000) 0
The James Dean Story (1957) (documentary) (co-dir: George W. George) 0
The Company (2003) 0
Aria (1987) - segment: Les Boréades 0
Beyond Therapy (1987) 0
Images (1972) 0
Brewster McCloud (1970) 0
Buffalo Bill and the Indians, or Sitting Bull's History Lesson (1976) 0
A Perfect Couple (1979) 0
HealtH (1980) 0
Countdown (1968) 0
Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean (1982) 0
Streamers (1983) 0
Secret Honor (1984) 0
Fool for Love (1985) 0
The Delinquents (1957) 0


johnny crunch, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:39 (ten years ago) link

never realized how many Altman films I haven't seen. still voting The Player.

Information. Motivation. Supplementation. (wanko ergo sum), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:46 (ten years ago) link

picking 1 is silly

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:46 (ten years ago) link

Many impressive films, but still: MASH.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:47 (ten years ago) link

the last third of MASH is kinda pathetic.

Nashville & The Long Goodbye lead, followed by Thieves Like Us and Gosford Park, then maybe 3 Women, Short Cuts and McCabe.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:50 (ten years ago) link

mash is way overrated in my book

i went long goodbye

johnny crunch, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:51 (ten years ago) link

Wow, didn't realise he made so many movies! Have always loved MASH and it's probably the one of his I've seen the most but I recently saw The Long Goodbye and I guess that's gonna get my vote for now.

Jibe, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:54 (ten years ago) link

Dr. M: You're right; the last part of MASH is much weaker. Still, I think it was the best example of Altman's chaotic, "everybody talking at once" style. And that style was perfect for a film about a chaotic, morally confused war.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:56 (ten years ago) link

Yes. And it is really funny too.

Jibe, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:04 (ten years ago) link

Nashville. one of my all time faves.

saw Mash recently and it has aged quite poorly. it's good but not great. xp

sonderangerbot, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:05 (ten years ago) link

Jesus christ, I have no idea how to whittle this one down. Probably my favorite director, and I full-on love too many of his movies to choose just one. M.A.S.H., though, is def. overrated and not among my faves. I might have to say The Long Goodbye, maybe, although Nashville, California Split, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, and Gosford Park rate just as highly. Even a lot of his underrated movies (The Company, Images, Vincent And Theo) are great. The Player, Brewster McCloud, A Prairie Home Companion...all so good. Tanner '88 is one of my all-time faves, although it's a TV miniseries. RIP, BOB.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 00:14 (ten years ago) link

McCabe and Mrs. Miller

circa1916, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:16 (ten years ago) link

I have only seen very few of these but I'm going with Gosford Park.

fields of salmon, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:21 (ten years ago) link

yeah i thought abt if i should include tanner '88

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:36 (ten years ago) link

and then i didnt include it

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:36 (ten years ago) link

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

jed_, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:07 (ten years ago) link

Anybody seen Streamers? I don't even think it's available on DVD.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:13 (ten years ago) link

i had Streamers on my hd for like a year, decided one day to watch it only to realize it was a godawful vhs-rip with distorted sound. so no, still haven't seen it

sonderangerbot, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:17 (ten years ago) link

mccabe and mrs miller

max, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:18 (ten years ago) link

^^^ one of my favorite films

also a big short cuts fan

¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:27 (ten years ago) link

mccabe, long goodbye, 3 women, california split all amazing

velko, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:31 (ten years ago) link

mccabe pretty easily for me. as noted in other threads, i think nashville is a long, shallow sneer.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:33 (ten years ago) link

How does Short Cuts hold up now? I remember enjoying it at the time but it's kind of unwieldy at 3hrs. Some great moments though.

sam500, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:38 (ten years ago) link

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

A bit of an exaggeration, but there are definitely a few clunkers. At least I can say, though, that Altman didn't make any stinkers because he was stuck in a rut or trying to make a quick buck. He was an experimenter and he was always trying something different. So I find even his failures interesting on a certain level. Doesn't mean I really ever want to watch Dr. T & The Women again...

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:41 (ten years ago) link

I'm not the hugest fan of Short Cuts. It doesn't really come together in the way that Altman seems to want it to. Definitely some good stuff in it, though (love Lyle Lovett's arc).

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:43 (ten years ago) link

yeah short cuts has good segments, but not all of them are good and the coming-together of the different strands feels forced.

otoh, it's better than grand canyon. (i assume it's better than crash too, but i'm not going to watch that to find out.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:42 (ten years ago) link

Spoiler: It's better than Crash. Which is damning it with the faintest of faint praise.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:45 (ten years ago) link

lol yeah. Crash is pretty insipid and manipulative, especially THE scene.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 27 November 2009 02:48 (ten years ago) link

Short Cuts meant so much to teenaged me, at least in part as a window into what I imagined life would be like in middle age. So, that.

Cricket riding a tumbleweed (Plasmon), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:58 (ten years ago) link

gotta go with Nashville

t0dd swiss, Friday, 27 November 2009 03:49 (ten years ago) link

yah short cuts was ~important~ and ~meaningful~ 2 teenage me also because i thought carver was a prophet 4 lyfe its shambolic and forced but i love like a russian novel

¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:21 (ten years ago) link

ya i voted shortcuts

real talk, mash is boring and dumb and crappy

farting irl (cankles), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:22 (ten years ago) link

so is the show

farting irl (cankles), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:22 (ten years ago) link

I saw Streamers when it was released -- his most homoerotic film, bcz of the play. Not a great piece of material, but some good acting from Modine and others.

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

Hell no, not even O.C. and Stiggs.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:25 (ten years ago) link

Out of the ones I've seen, which is admittedly less than 1/2, I also had to vote Short Cuts. Like Lamp this is partially due to Carver <3.

bear say hi to me (ENBB), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:31 (ten years ago) link

Voted for McCabe and Mrs Miller.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:33 (ten years ago) link

You know MASH is really amazing as it's all over the place, no more than Porky's-with-bullets in a few parts, sexist and cruel and all the rest of it and the characters don't make any damn sense (how comes hotlips is suddenly smiling and playing poker at the end with a bunch of people she hated for the last 2 hours?) and yet it's a bloody *brilliant *film despite the flaws.
i can never work it out. is it maybe just that it's dated so badly or is it just .. a mess. in a good way?

The Long Goodbye for me. Makes me want to live in L.A.

piscesx, Friday, 27 November 2009 14:40 (ten years ago) link

prob TLG for me. i love N'ville, but if I were going to give one the business for possibly being overrated...

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Friday, 27 November 2009 14:48 (ten years ago) link

california split.

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 27 November 2009 14:59 (ten years ago) link

3 Women is one of the strangest, most fascinating films I've ever seen.

groovemaaan, Friday, 27 November 2009 15:29 (ten years ago) link

will Jimmy Dean ever become available on DVD?

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 November 2009 15:37 (ten years ago) link

The Long Goodbye, just ahead of McCabe & Mrs Miller and Short Cuts. Still haven't seen Nashville though.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 27 November 2009 16:09 (ten years ago) link

Voted A Wedding because nobody else offered.

Twisted Hipster (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 November 2009 16:21 (ten years ago) link

Pragmatically, I'll be voting for Nashville, to stave off a win by MASH or Gosford Park. Otherwise, I'd vote 3 Women, The Long Goodbye or even The Company.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:41 (ten years ago) link

Or Short Cuts or McCabe.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:42 (ten years ago) link

wtf w/ The Company, Eric? Is it just the dance milieu? is there some open-heart surgery scene I missed?

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:54 (ten years ago) link

Vincent and Theo

smashing aspirant (milo z), Friday, 27 November 2009 18:38 (ten years ago) link

wtf w/ The Company

OK, yeah, the movie doesn't gel as "properly" as does Gosford, and it doesn't make for a neat, self-aware summation like Prairie Home, but The Company is the only one of his last stretch that fully achieves of-the-moment perspective. Maybe because it doesn't seem to ever aim for the major epiphanies, aside from "My Funny Valentine," which is absolutely one of the most thrilling scenes I've seen all decade (and manages it in spite of Neve's clearly limited skills as a dancer). So yeah, you can keep your Gosford Park.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:28 (ten years ago) link

OK, I will! (as I don't even remember "My Funny Valentine.")

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:32 (ten years ago) link

YES. That scene was amazing. It's the outdoor performance, during the lightning storm. I was just agog the first time I watched that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n37R4o1WTM

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:35 (ten years ago) link

yeah all those play adaptations, only a couple of which are watchable

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:24 (three months ago) link

sorry by "this" in my original post i obviously meant california split

na (NA), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:49 (three months ago) link

I think the batting average is a bit higher for 80s Altman, I'd keep Secret Honor, Come Back to the 5 and Dime, certainly Tanner '88... honestly forgot about Streamers but it's not bad. I haven't seen the infamous O.C. & Stiggs but I know people who really like Fool for Love and Beyond Therapy. Still feel like I missed some

flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:41 (three months ago) link

I'm not as won over by Secret Honor, but Come Back to the 5 and Dime and Tanner '88 are solid.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 19:53 (three months ago) link

Tanner '88 is one of my favorite Altman projects, do not sleep on.

Fun-Loving and Furry-Curious! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:01 (three months ago) link

Tanner '88 is one of my favorites, too (the 2004 one as well). I just remembered Vincent & Theo, which is toooooo long (maybe was filmed as a miniseries and cut for theaters? I can't remember). I'd take the play movies over that one. Sandy Dennis is GREAT in Come Back to the 5 and Dime...

flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:12 (three months ago) link

OC & Stiggs is enjoyable in a "Let's See Altman Do A National Lampoon Film" way (which I guess it was, minus NL's branding, as iirc the characters came from the mag).

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:53 (three months ago) link

maybe was filmed as a miniseries and cut for theaters? I can't remember

This is true. I don't think the miniseries has been other than maybe on video?

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:55 (three months ago) link

"Has been out"

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:59 (three months ago) link

secret honor is much better than just "watchable" tho i was a bit underwhelmed when i finally rewatched it on DVD after 30-odd yrs of remembering it as amazing (i think at the 1984 london film festival?)

mark s, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 21:04 (three months ago) link

casting is Altman's great genius (Shelley Duvall as olive oyl!) but come back to the five and dime is one that really pushes the boat out (Karen black and sandy Dennis!). it's by far the most affecting of his films I've seen (it's usually the technical aspects that most impress)and loved how intact the staginess is left. but yeah, I had the same experience v recently reading his IMDb and realising how little i knew (I had presumed I'd seen a good chunk but I was way off)

plax (ico), Saturday, 6 June 2020 23:58 (three months ago) link

Always had a film in production, never had any stretches without working. a couple years between movies toward the end, but still

flappy bird, Sunday, 7 June 2020 00:26 (three months ago) link

I never much liked Five & Dime except for that moment where Cher viciously imitated Sandy Dennis

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 01:41 (three months ago) link

watched Thieves Like Us. Like McCabe, it feels convincing for the period it represents but also like a film that could only have been made in the 70s

Dan S, Monday, 8 June 2020 00:32 (three months ago) link

didn’t think it was nearly as great as McCabe & Mrs. Miller though

Dan S, Monday, 8 June 2020 00:33 (three months ago) link

It's the one acclaimed film of his in his McCabe-Nashville run I never quite connected with. I've tried three or four times. (It's been a while since I saw the first two versions.)

clemenza, Monday, 8 June 2020 00:39 (three months ago) link

I've been trying to remember them as young actors, so it was interesting watching Keith Carradine, Shelley Duvall and Louise Fletcher

Dan S, Monday, 8 June 2020 00:47 (three months ago) link

John Schuck is freakin' scary in Thieves...

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 8 June 2020 00:54 (three months ago) link

he was menacing. he also had a good role in M*A*S*H

Dan S, Monday, 8 June 2020 01:04 (three months ago) link

I find the romanticism of McCabe corny and overdone, prefer Thieves.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 June 2020 01:20 (three months ago) link

watched them again both and don't agree with that at all

Dan S, Monday, 8 June 2020 02:08 (three months ago) link

I watched 'health' last night and it was hilarious

plax (ico), Monday, 8 June 2020 10:58 (three months ago) link

challopsy, but Glenda Jackson yes

sort of a sketch-show Nashville

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 June 2020 11:47 (three months ago) link

Jackson is hilarious in it but really demonstrates why she was so difficult to cast. Bacall as Reagan was hilarious, Wikipedia says that he mentions it being the worst movie ever in his published diaries.

plax (ico), Monday, 8 June 2020 13:29 (three months ago) link

I'm genuinely shocked that no one picked the astounding BREWSTER MCCLOUD.

anyway, here are 3 phenomenal Altman television rarities:

Killer App, a pilot from 1998 that was written by Garry Trudeau. It's like SILICON VALLEY 20 years earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesJbkZjH84&disable_polymer=true

Rattlesnake in a Cooler: soliloquy produced for television in 1982-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8q-7LHEZ3Y

The Laundromat-incredible adaptation of Marsha Norman's play that was made for HBO in 1985---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVB7dsuboQo&disable_polymer=true

beamish13, Monday, 8 June 2020 21:51 (three months ago) link

Wow, thanks!!!

flappy bird, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 01:39 (three months ago) link

Nightmare in Chicago remains the holy grail for me (lucky enough to have seen it once, on TV, 30-35 years ago). I check YouTube periodically, but nothing.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BzLS-J2wF58/V3VKr1iNuOI/AAAAAAAABdA/xU7-NGJjWPonV1HE_4avtEhNISNckFevgCKgB/s1600/Nightmare%2Bin%2BChicago%2B5.jpg

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 15:19 (three months ago) link

clemenza I have a link for that if u want it

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 15:37 (three months ago) link

Wow--absolutely! I'm hoping you mean a file...I did find a DVD bootleg place that'd end up costing some ridiculous amount after postage and exchange.

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 15:39 (three months ago) link

(My user profile/homepage will take you to my e-mail address if you don't want to post it here.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 15:39 (three months ago) link

Yeah it's a file, 930mb so not amazing quality but probably watchable. I'll email ya

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 15:40 (three months ago) link

The Holy Grail located; thank you, Simon.

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 16:02 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

beyond therapy or fool for love?

flappy bird, Sunday, 28 June 2020 05:34 (three months ago) link

which one are you?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2020 12:10 (three months ago) link

I need to know which to rent today 😞
xp Both 😭

flappy bird, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:56 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

when I first saw Nashville I thought Carradine's performance of "I'm Easy" and the simultaneous look around the bar was the culmination, and seeing again I still think so

Dan S, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 00:28 (two months ago) link

“you may say that I ain’t free but it don’t worry me” from Nashville is prophetic

Dan S, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 02:01 (two months ago) link

echoing my thoughts exactly, altho when I rewatched it in March (2 days after pandemic declared), the finale with Barbara Harris really hit hard. yes, exactly, that ending is just a perfect demonstration of America in miniature: a horrible, motiveless tragedy occurs, complete chaos for a few minutes, and then it's a singalong. Nothing ever changes, but throw those flowers into the crowd and tilt up to the cloudy, grey sky. CLOROX PRODUCTS! WITH RED DOTS ON 'EM! thats right

flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 05:35 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

For a heavy psychological drama (and despite its dysphoric 1970s score) 3 Women seemed almost light in a really appealing way until the end. It was very strange and unlike any other Altman film I’ve seen. Shelley Duvall won the Cannes best actress award for it but Sissy Spacek was equally amazing

Dan S, Friday, 7 August 2020 00:11 (one month ago) link

I liked Altman’s comment about “empty vessels in an empty landscape”, and also the idea that the California desert represents "a space of death but also one of creation"

Dan S, Friday, 7 August 2020 01:59 (one month ago) link

A Wedding was an interesting follow-up to Nashville and 3 Women

Dan S, Sunday, 16 August 2020 00:37 (one month ago) link

marriage celebrations (and marriages) are messy and chaotic and relationships are often unequal, charged, and fraught with peril, but we can always decide to move ahead

Dan S, Sunday, 16 August 2020 00:44 (one month ago) link

saw on the cast list that Joan Allen, John Malcovich, Laurie Metcalf, and Gary Sinise were extras, but the scenes were so complex that I didn’t even notice them

Dan S, Sunday, 16 August 2020 01:06 (one month ago) link

*Malkovich

Dan S, Sunday, 16 August 2020 01:13 (one month ago) link

I love that throwaway line, "You can get cancer from smoking pot?"

flappy bird, Sunday, 16 August 2020 03:21 (one month ago) link

I only spotted Metcalf (I think)

plax (ico), Sunday, 16 August 2020 14:12 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Popeye is so broad and dumb, it's hard to believe this is the same director who made McCabe & Mrs. Miller and Nashville

Dan S, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:53 (one week ago) link

think his next film Come Back to the 5 & Dime will be better

Dan S, Friday, 18 September 2020 00:04 (one week ago) link

Saw Popeye when it came out, immediately erased everything from my mind. Come Back I saw years after the fact--some positives, I think.

clemenza, Friday, 18 September 2020 00:16 (one week ago) link

Come Back is too long but good

flappy bird, Friday, 18 September 2020 04:22 (one week ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.