ALTMAN POLL

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OptionVotes
The Long Goodbye (1973) 12
McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971) 12
Nashville (1975) 11
3 Women (aka Robert Altman's 3 Women) (1977) 8
MASH (1970) 6
Short Cuts (1993) 5
Gosford Park (2001) 5
California Split (1974) 4
Popeye (1980) 4
A Prairie Home Companion 3
Thieves Like Us (1974) 1
Vincent and Theo (1990) 1
O.C. & Stiggs (1984) (released in 1987) 1
The Player (1992) 1
That Cold Day in the Park (1969) 1
A Wedding (1978) 1
Quintet (1979) 1
Prêt-à-Porter also known as Ready to Wear (1994) 1
The Katherine Reed Story (1965) (short documentary) 0
Kansas City (1996) 0
The Gingerbread Man (1998) 0
Cookie's Fortune (1999) 0
Dr. T & the Women (2000) 0
The James Dean Story (1957) (documentary) (co-dir: George W. George) 0
The Company (2003) 0
Aria (1987) - segment: Les Boréades 0
Beyond Therapy (1987) 0
Images (1972) 0
Brewster McCloud (1970) 0
Buffalo Bill and the Indians, or Sitting Bull's History Lesson (1976) 0
A Perfect Couple (1979) 0
HealtH (1980) 0
Countdown (1968) 0
Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean (1982) 0
Streamers (1983) 0
Secret Honor (1984) 0
Fool for Love (1985) 0
The Delinquents (1957) 0


johnny crunch, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:39 (eleven years ago) link

never realized how many Altman films I haven't seen. still voting The Player.

Information. Motivation. Supplementation. (wanko ergo sum), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:46 (eleven years ago) link

picking 1 is silly

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:46 (eleven years ago) link

Many impressive films, but still: MASH.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:47 (eleven years ago) link

the last third of MASH is kinda pathetic.

Nashville & The Long Goodbye lead, followed by Thieves Like Us and Gosford Park, then maybe 3 Women, Short Cuts and McCabe.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:50 (eleven years ago) link

mash is way overrated in my book

i went long goodbye

johnny crunch, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

Wow, didn't realise he made so many movies! Have always loved MASH and it's probably the one of his I've seen the most but I recently saw The Long Goodbye and I guess that's gonna get my vote for now.

Jibe, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:54 (eleven years ago) link

Dr. M: You're right; the last part of MASH is much weaker. Still, I think it was the best example of Altman's chaotic, "everybody talking at once" style. And that style was perfect for a film about a chaotic, morally confused war.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:56 (eleven years ago) link

Yes. And it is really funny too.

Jibe, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:04 (eleven years ago) link

Nashville. one of my all time faves.

saw Mash recently and it has aged quite poorly. it's good but not great. xp

sonderangerbot, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:05 (eleven years ago) link

Jesus christ, I have no idea how to whittle this one down. Probably my favorite director, and I full-on love too many of his movies to choose just one. M.A.S.H., though, is def. overrated and not among my faves. I might have to say The Long Goodbye, maybe, although Nashville, California Split, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, and Gosford Park rate just as highly. Even a lot of his underrated movies (The Company, Images, Vincent And Theo) are great. The Player, Brewster McCloud, A Prairie Home Companion...all so good. Tanner '88 is one of my all-time faves, although it's a TV miniseries. RIP, BOB.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 00:14 (eleven years ago) link

McCabe and Mrs. Miller

circa1916, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:16 (eleven years ago) link

I have only seen very few of these but I'm going with Gosford Park.

fields of salmon, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:21 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i thought abt if i should include tanner '88

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:36 (eleven years ago) link

and then i didnt include it

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:36 (eleven years ago) link

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

jed_, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:07 (eleven years ago) link

Anybody seen Streamers? I don't even think it's available on DVD.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:13 (eleven years ago) link

i had Streamers on my hd for like a year, decided one day to watch it only to realize it was a godawful vhs-rip with distorted sound. so no, still haven't seen it

sonderangerbot, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

mccabe and mrs miller

max, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:18 (eleven years ago) link

^^^ one of my favorite films

also a big short cuts fan

¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:27 (eleven years ago) link

mccabe, long goodbye, 3 women, california split all amazing

velko, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:31 (eleven years ago) link

mccabe pretty easily for me. as noted in other threads, i think nashville is a long, shallow sneer.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:33 (eleven years ago) link

How does Short Cuts hold up now? I remember enjoying it at the time but it's kind of unwieldy at 3hrs. Some great moments though.

sam500, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:38 (eleven years ago) link

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

A bit of an exaggeration, but there are definitely a few clunkers. At least I can say, though, that Altman didn't make any stinkers because he was stuck in a rut or trying to make a quick buck. He was an experimenter and he was always trying something different. So I find even his failures interesting on a certain level. Doesn't mean I really ever want to watch Dr. T & The Women again...

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:41 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not the hugest fan of Short Cuts. It doesn't really come together in the way that Altman seems to want it to. Definitely some good stuff in it, though (love Lyle Lovett's arc).

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:43 (eleven years ago) link

yeah short cuts has good segments, but not all of them are good and the coming-together of the different strands feels forced.

otoh, it's better than grand canyon. (i assume it's better than crash too, but i'm not going to watch that to find out.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:42 (eleven years ago) link

Spoiler: It's better than Crash. Which is damning it with the faintest of faint praise.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:45 (eleven years ago) link

lol yeah. Crash is pretty insipid and manipulative, especially THE scene.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 27 November 2009 02:48 (eleven years ago) link

Short Cuts meant so much to teenaged me, at least in part as a window into what I imagined life would be like in middle age. So, that.

Cricket riding a tumbleweed (Plasmon), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:58 (eleven years ago) link

gotta go with Nashville

t0dd swiss, Friday, 27 November 2009 03:49 (eleven years ago) link

yah short cuts was ~important~ and ~meaningful~ 2 teenage me also because i thought carver was a prophet 4 lyfe its shambolic and forced but i love like a russian novel

¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:21 (eleven years ago) link

ya i voted shortcuts

real talk, mash is boring and dumb and crappy

farting irl (cankles), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:22 (eleven years ago) link

so is the show

farting irl (cankles), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:22 (eleven years ago) link

I saw Streamers when it was released -- his most homoerotic film, bcz of the play. Not a great piece of material, but some good acting from Modine and others.

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

Hell no, not even O.C. and Stiggs.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

Out of the ones I've seen, which is admittedly less than 1/2, I also had to vote Short Cuts. Like Lamp this is partially due to Carver <3.

bear say hi to me (ENBB), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:31 (eleven years ago) link

Voted for McCabe and Mrs Miller.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:33 (eleven years ago) link

You know MASH is really amazing as it's all over the place, no more than Porky's-with-bullets in a few parts, sexist and cruel and all the rest of it and the characters don't make any damn sense (how comes hotlips is suddenly smiling and playing poker at the end with a bunch of people she hated for the last 2 hours?) and yet it's a bloody *brilliant *film despite the flaws.
i can never work it out. is it maybe just that it's dated so badly or is it just .. a mess. in a good way?

The Long Goodbye for me. Makes me want to live in L.A.

piscesx, Friday, 27 November 2009 14:40 (eleven years ago) link

prob TLG for me. i love N'ville, but if I were going to give one the business for possibly being overrated...

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Friday, 27 November 2009 14:48 (eleven years ago) link

california split.

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 27 November 2009 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

3 Women is one of the strangest, most fascinating films I've ever seen.

groovemaaan, Friday, 27 November 2009 15:29 (eleven years ago) link

will Jimmy Dean ever become available on DVD?

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 November 2009 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

The Long Goodbye, just ahead of McCabe & Mrs Miller and Short Cuts. Still haven't seen Nashville though.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 27 November 2009 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

Voted A Wedding because nobody else offered.

Twisted Hipster (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 November 2009 16:21 (eleven years ago) link

Pragmatically, I'll be voting for Nashville, to stave off a win by MASH or Gosford Park. Otherwise, I'd vote 3 Women, The Long Goodbye or even The Company.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

Or Short Cuts or McCabe.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

wtf w/ The Company, Eric? Is it just the dance milieu? is there some open-heart surgery scene I missed?

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:54 (eleven years ago) link

Vincent and Theo

smashing aspirant (milo z), Friday, 27 November 2009 18:38 (eleven years ago) link

wtf w/ The Company

OK, yeah, the movie doesn't gel as "properly" as does Gosford, and it doesn't make for a neat, self-aware summation like Prairie Home, but The Company is the only one of his last stretch that fully achieves of-the-moment perspective. Maybe because it doesn't seem to ever aim for the major epiphanies, aside from "My Funny Valentine," which is absolutely one of the most thrilling scenes I've seen all decade (and manages it in spite of Neve's clearly limited skills as a dancer). So yeah, you can keep your Gosford Park.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:28 (eleven years ago) link

OK, I will! (as I don't even remember "My Funny Valentine.")

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:32 (eleven years ago) link

YES. That scene was amazing. It's the outdoor performance, during the lightning storm. I was just agog the first time I watched that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n37R4o1WTM

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:35 (eleven years ago) link

saw Streamers the other night, I liked it more than the other 80s stuff of his I've seen recently

Dan S, Thursday, 5 November 2020 01:06 (four months ago) link

but it did have that 'stage play turned into a movie' quality, like Come Back To the 5 & Dime and Secret Honor

Dan S, Thursday, 5 November 2020 01:13 (four months ago) link

Found this the other day, uploaded only 2 months ago, short making of on California Split

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDgCM-V41_A

Altman's hat is awesome

flappy bird, Friday, 13 November 2020 19:23 (three months ago) link

Vincent and Theo as a film adapted from a miniseries didn't have to be as long as it was, but I liked it

Dan S, Sunday, 15 November 2020 02:31 (three months ago) link

Saw 5&dime for the first time last month and I kinda loved it. It’s very ‘for hire’ even if he did the OG play but as a bottle movie is really moves

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 15 November 2020 04:50 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

The Player and Short Cuts seem like a comeback for Altman after his non-commercial play-based films of the 80s

I was wondering about Short Cuts as I hadn’t seen it again since it came out. The missed connections between the characters and the earnestness of their trying to connect made the film for me, even if it didn't all come together

Dan S, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 01:12 (two months ago) link

short cuts is my favorite altman even though, yeah, it doesn't quite all come together. i rewatched the player recently and it remains an excellent movie.

visiting, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 01:18 (two months ago) link

I think they're both pretty great--took me two or three times with The Player, Short Cuts right away.

clemenza, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 01:39 (two months ago) link

My favourite latter-day Altman is Gosford Park; I found The Player really smug, and Short Cuts was laying on irony with a trowel. I haven't seen anything else post-87, in fact I get a strong aversion when scanning those titles because I remember not wanting to see them when they first came out.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 02:53 (two months ago) link

He hit the trifecta on the way out imo (Gosford, The Company, Prairie Home Companion). I'm planning to watch all three over the winter.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 03:53 (two months ago) link

I’ve never been quite as big on Gosford as most, but I did rewatch it in the last year and it’s had to argue against it being in the upper tiers of Altman’s career.

On average, this critic grades 8.3 points lower than other critics (Eric H.), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 04:24 (two months ago) link

Watch remains of the day wings of a dove and room with a view THEN watch gosford and its like a coens movie

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 05:19 (two months ago) link

Kansas City was ok. I wasn’t that interested in the plot but I really loved the big band concert with the sword-fighting saxophones about an hour in

Dan S, Sunday, 27 December 2020 01:05 (two months ago) link

it has its moments. probably should revisit once I read that 2010 Altman oral history that went out of print. (it's really long--at least 150 pages before it gets to the 1970s)

watched The James Dean Story recently and man is it good. Some wack interview photography but at 80 minutes it zips along using mostly photos and voiceover and film clips and newsreels. It really felt like Jimmy Dean Mon Amour, but 2 years before the fact!

flappy bird, Sunday, 27 December 2020 05:14 (two months ago) link

Watched Rich Kids, which he produced in 1979, for the second time last night, and it's marvellous. Strong proto-Baumbach vibes, down to the new york yuppie interiors, but a really sweet movie about kids growing up within divorce that is absolutely bewitching. Recommend me more movies like this, anyone who knows of any.

Change Display Name: (stevie), Sunday, 27 December 2020 21:09 (two months ago) link

sounds like Paul Mazursky

flappy bird, Sunday, 27 December 2020 22:14 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

I rarely feel compelled to go off on a film. I try to avoid stuff I don't think I'll like; I know I end up missing films I would like because of that, but with films I'm the guy who wants to let 100 guilty people go free rather than convict one innocent person. (If that analogy even works.)

God, I hated Prêt-à-Porter. I saw it when it came out, hated it then, assumed that would be tempered by 20 years and lowered expectations, possibly hated it even more today. Took me almost a week of how-much-can-I-stand? to get through it. Anouk Aimée, Julia Roberts, Tim Robbins, and maybe a couple of others managed to keep their dignity. At least two throwbacks to previous Altman films: Sally Kellerman humiliated like in MASH, Danny Aiello as Bert Remsen in California Split--like those jokes would improve with age. Very glad he got to make a few more films and go out on A Prairie Home Companion rather than this.

clemenza, Friday, 5 February 2021 06:04 (one month ago) link

I was 17 when this came out and I rented it on VHS. I had seen and enjoyed The Player and Short Cuts and a few of the Altman classics so I was receptive. I recall it being one of the worst movies I had ever seen up to that point. Am I remembering correctly that characters kept stepping in dog poop every few minutes and that was supposed to be really funny? Maybe it's still one of the worst films I've seen! I'll never rewatch it to find out, though.

I haven't tried many of the reputed 80s stinkers but among them, HealtH is more enjoyable than this.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Friday, 5 February 2021 07:23 (one month ago) link

I was thinking about him the other day. I think 3 Women, California Split and The Long Goodbye are nigh (heh-heh) unimpeachable. Granted, McCabe is impressive in a stunt-filmmaking Herzog kinda way, and is good/great but I think is (affects cineaste voice) ultimately overrated, as is Nashville. And I love leonard cohen and country music! And america! And maybe even canada

Thieves Like Us is very good, but too depressing on balance for me to re-visit. It... could use more cohen brothers style levity. Which, it has some of, but not in large enough doeses to offset the overall subj matter and narrative. Brewster McCloud is great, if a tad too light, farcical.

His best films do life in just the right measure. Damn, california split is so good, tho it undoubtedly fails every variation of the bechdel test ever. But... i am not a big film person -- music has much more of a lasting impact on me. Even novelty songs about valley girls. But CS is one of those films that I couldn't stop thinking about for a long time after I watch(ed) it. The whole gambling thing is obv very fruitful metaphor on its own, w long long legs, but add in male friendships and i guess relationships in general, and damn. The ending is at once depressing, triumphant, and transcendent. There's a lot of ground covered there.

dell (del), Friday, 5 February 2021 07:33 (one month ago) link

HH: you remember that running gag correctly--four or five times. Absolutely a low point for Altman. It's not just how awful the joke is, it's that I think he thinks he's making a statement on the film's subject matter. As I've said many times, I'm the rare person who isn't convinced that Altman is contemptuous of country music in Nashville; or at the very least, even if he is, he loves the characters so much it's a draw. Prêt-à-Porter feels like a work of contempt from start to finish, capped off by Kim Basinger's befuddled speech at the end. But not interesting contempt--just puzzling, like why would you fell compelled to make this film? (I think Basinger's supposed to be some version of Geraldine Chaplin in Nashville...not anywhere near as funny.)

clemenza, Friday, 5 February 2021 07:51 (one month ago) link

I think his segment in Aria is his worst work ever, but he's definitely a great filmmaker whose career is pockmarked with cavernous abysses of terribleness. Not liking his previous two that much, I steered clear of Ready to Wear (which didn't even get the good reviews those two got).

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 5 February 2021 16:29 (one month ago) link

clemenza how did you see Pret a Porter? it was on prime for a bit over a year ago, but no more, and the only DVD that's out there has some really bad tracking errors (not even windowboxed--the frame is misaligned on modern TV's, top 1/8th showing up on the bottom 1/8th of the screen, etc)

flappy bird, Friday, 5 February 2021 18:17 (one month ago) link

There's a group of stations here called Hollywood Suite that shows old stuff--one for the '70s/'80s/'90s/'00s.

https://hollywoodsuite.ca/

They go free for a few weeks around Christmas, so I was PVR'ing a few things.

clemenza, Friday, 5 February 2021 19:01 (one month ago) link

Prêt-à-Porter was the second new Altman I'd seen in a theatre, and after The Player and Short Cuts I expected another triumph or near-triumph.

One thing I found weird, and annoying, was that whatever French dialogue there was--and a couple of scenes between Marcello Mastroianni and Sophia Loren seemed important; I literally had no idea who either one of them was--didn't have subtitles. (Checked, and you're right--that was his very next film. I thought a couple of others were in there, but no.)

clemenza, Friday, 5 February 2021 19:06 (one month ago) link

I have an unwatched copy of Pret (part of a fashion-related three-pack that also includes the Mizrahi and Wintour docs, FYI, no idea what the scan is like) that I feel perversely compelled to put on now. Are we talking Dr. T levels of bad? Or even worse?

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 February 2021 19:06 (one month ago) link

1994: bad year for baseball, bad year for Altman.

I hated Dr. T, too, but remember nothing, so I can't compare. I would love to hear from the person who voted for Prêt-à-Porter in this poll. Even giving great leeway for subjectivity, it's hard to get my mind around that.

clemenza, Friday, 5 February 2021 19:10 (one month ago) link

That I can recall the "Vie en rose"-scored naked fashion show at the end of Prêt-à-Porter is the only evidence that I have that I even saw the film.

edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Friday, 5 February 2021 20:11 (one month ago) link

Are we talking Dr. T levels of bad? Or even worse?

P-a-P is not good, but it's just an inert failure rather than mindbogglingly disastrous. Altman plainly wanted to do a light, frothy, inconsequential flick in the style of Player and Short Cuts; it just turned out that himself and the film critic of the San Francisco Examiner, who had not previously (and did not subsequently) written a film, were not as gifted at writing a bubbly comedy about humans with no depth as literary titan Raymond Carver was at sketching regular lives in a short story, or successful novelist Michael Tolkin was at turning his encounters with Hollywood scummery into a black satire.

shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 5 February 2021 20:50 (one month ago) link

I'll endorse disastrous--perhaps not mind-boggling, I don't know. I'm still walking and thinking.

(xpost) When you really hate something, you start inferring things that may or may not be true. With that ending, it really felt like Altman thought he was saying something profound about the emptiness of fashion, and that he (or the writer) chose to do so in the most obvious way possible. Then you start scanning the faces of all the characters watching, and it's clear they're impressed and provoked to the point of being dumbfounded, and that makes the scene even worse. And then, the standing ovation.

clemenza, Friday, 5 February 2021 21:13 (one month ago) link

I saw it on a multiplex on release and not since, it might be much worse than I recall.

shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 5 February 2021 21:27 (one month ago) link

Found it interesting to read the "Reception" summary on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%AAt-%C3%A0-Porter_(film)

clemenza, Friday, 5 February 2021 21:39 (one month ago) link

Wrong link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prêt-à-Porter_(film)

clemenza, Friday, 5 February 2021 21:41 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

that scene in The Company with the couple dancing on an outdoor stage to My Funny Valentine in a thunderstorm with just cello and piano accompaniment was spectacular

Dan S, Sunday, 21 February 2021 00:57 (two weeks ago) link

I really liked seeing the dance performances in that film, and the deliberately unfocused story about the dancers seemed appropriate

Dan S, Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:09 (two weeks ago) link

have been thinking about Altman’s eras

!) MASH, Brewster McCloud, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, The Long Goodbye, Thieves Like Us, California Split, Nashville - the 70s classics
2) Three Women - unlike any of his other films
3) A Wedding, Quintet, A Perfect Couple, Health, Popeye
4) The 80s films based on plays - Come Back to the 5 & Dime, Streamers, Secret Honor
5) The Player, Short Cuts
6) Gosford Park, The Company, Prairie Home Companion

Dan S, Sunday, 21 February 2021 01:57 (two weeks ago) link

It’s been a while since I saw either, but Images might belong in the same category. Different eras, though, I suppose.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:13 (two weeks ago) link

Same category as Three Women, I meant to say.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:13 (two weeks ago) link

haven't seen Images

Dan S, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:15 (two weeks ago) link

It’s probably underrated due to the classics that surround it in his filmography. Maybe it’s actually the same era as three women - I had it in my mind that it was pre-MASH but it’s actually 1972, between McCabe and Long Goodbye.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:22 (two weeks ago) link

Your categorization is pretty much dead-on, I'd say. At first I thought Gosford Park might belong with The Player and Short Cuts--his last three widely acclaimed films--but there's eight years and six films separating them. The only thing I'd add is a period covering his pre-MASH work; primarily That Cold Day in the Park, but there's a bit more than that.

clemenza, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:25 (two weeks ago) link

I don't consider Three Women a masterpiece--an increasingly minority viewpoint--but it does stand alone, hard to slot into either what comes before or after.

clemenza, Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:27 (two weeks ago) link

It didn't help that Images wasn't available for ages; seldom revived, rumor had it the elements had been destroyed in a fire, but DVDs and Blu-Rays of quality started appearing in the mid 2000s.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:28 (two weeks ago) link

Images and Three Women both have unique Stoner-Bergman thing going on.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 21 February 2021 02:29 (two weeks ago) link

watching Three Women I do think of Bergman's Persona, but it's different

Dan S, Sunday, 21 February 2021 03:04 (two weeks ago) link

but also maybe the same

Dan S, Sunday, 21 February 2021 03:07 (two weeks ago) link

Images was an early try for the mystery of Three Women, but (as Kael pointed out) the dialogue is terrible and it is a lot more heavy-handed. I waited years to see it on the big screen and was terribly disappointed. Actually, That Cold Day in the Park, though inconsistent, is somewhat similar to both films, and probably superior to Images.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 21 February 2021 04:07 (two weeks ago) link

that scene in The Company with the couple dancing on an outdoor stage to My Funny Valentine in a thunderstorm with just cello and piano accompaniment was spectacular


It's one of my favorite scenes that he ever did.

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Sunday, 21 February 2021 05:35 (two weeks ago) link

Same. It may be the peak of his powers.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Sunday, 21 February 2021 06:25 (two weeks ago) link

i love images

flopson, Sunday, 21 February 2021 06:28 (two weeks ago) link


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