ALTMAN POLL

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The Long Goodbye (1973) 12
McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971) 12
Nashville (1975) 11
3 Women (aka Robert Altman's 3 Women) (1977) 8
MASH (1970) 6
Short Cuts (1993) 5
Gosford Park (2001) 5
California Split (1974) 4
Popeye (1980) 4
A Prairie Home Companion 3
Thieves Like Us (1974) 1
Vincent and Theo (1990) 1
O.C. & Stiggs (1984) (released in 1987) 1
The Player (1992) 1
That Cold Day in the Park (1969) 1
A Wedding (1978) 1
Quintet (1979) 1
Prêt-à-Porter also known as Ready to Wear (1994) 1
The Katherine Reed Story (1965) (short documentary) 0
Kansas City (1996) 0
The Gingerbread Man (1998) 0
Cookie's Fortune (1999) 0
Dr. T & the Women (2000) 0
The James Dean Story (1957) (documentary) (co-dir: George W. George) 0
The Company (2003) 0
Aria (1987) - segment: Les Boréades 0
Beyond Therapy (1987) 0
Images (1972) 0
Brewster McCloud (1970) 0
Buffalo Bill and the Indians, or Sitting Bull's History Lesson (1976) 0
A Perfect Couple (1979) 0
HealtH (1980) 0
Countdown (1968) 0
Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean (1982) 0
Streamers (1983) 0
Secret Honor (1984) 0
Fool for Love (1985) 0
The Delinquents (1957) 0


johnny crunch, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:39 (ten years ago) link

never realized how many Altman films I haven't seen. still voting The Player.

Information. Motivation. Supplementation. (wanko ergo sum), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:46 (ten years ago) link

picking 1 is silly

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:46 (ten years ago) link

Many impressive films, but still: MASH.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:47 (ten years ago) link

the last third of MASH is kinda pathetic.

Nashville & The Long Goodbye lead, followed by Thieves Like Us and Gosford Park, then maybe 3 Women, Short Cuts and McCabe.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:50 (ten years ago) link

mash is way overrated in my book

i went long goodbye

johnny crunch, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:51 (ten years ago) link

Wow, didn't realise he made so many movies! Have always loved MASH and it's probably the one of his I've seen the most but I recently saw The Long Goodbye and I guess that's gonna get my vote for now.

Jibe, Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:54 (ten years ago) link

Dr. M: You're right; the last part of MASH is much weaker. Still, I think it was the best example of Altman's chaotic, "everybody talking at once" style. And that style was perfect for a film about a chaotic, morally confused war.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 26 November 2009 23:56 (ten years ago) link

Yes. And it is really funny too.

Jibe, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:04 (ten years ago) link

Nashville. one of my all time faves.

saw Mash recently and it has aged quite poorly. it's good but not great. xp

sonderangerbot, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:05 (ten years ago) link

Jesus christ, I have no idea how to whittle this one down. Probably my favorite director, and I full-on love too many of his movies to choose just one. M.A.S.H., though, is def. overrated and not among my faves. I might have to say The Long Goodbye, maybe, although Nashville, California Split, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, and Gosford Park rate just as highly. Even a lot of his underrated movies (The Company, Images, Vincent And Theo) are great. The Player, Brewster McCloud, A Prairie Home Companion...all so good. Tanner '88 is one of my all-time faves, although it's a TV miniseries. RIP, BOB.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 00:14 (ten years ago) link

McCabe and Mrs. Miller

circa1916, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:16 (ten years ago) link

I have only seen very few of these but I'm going with Gosford Park.

fields of salmon, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:21 (ten years ago) link

yeah i thought abt if i should include tanner '88

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:36 (ten years ago) link

and then i didnt include it

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 November 2009 00:36 (ten years ago) link

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

jed_, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:07 (ten years ago) link

Anybody seen Streamers? I don't even think it's available on DVD.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:13 (ten years ago) link

i had Streamers on my hd for like a year, decided one day to watch it only to realize it was a godawful vhs-rip with distorted sound. so no, still haven't seen it

sonderangerbot, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:17 (ten years ago) link

mccabe and mrs miller

max, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:18 (ten years ago) link

^^^ one of my favorite films

also a big short cuts fan

¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:27 (ten years ago) link

mccabe, long goodbye, 3 women, california split all amazing

velko, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:31 (ten years ago) link

mccabe pretty easily for me. as noted in other threads, i think nashville is a long, shallow sneer.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:33 (ten years ago) link

How does Short Cuts hold up now? I remember enjoying it at the time but it's kind of unwieldy at 3hrs. Some great moments though.

sam500, Friday, 27 November 2009 01:38 (ten years ago) link

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

A bit of an exaggeration, but there are definitely a few clunkers. At least I can say, though, that Altman didn't make any stinkers because he was stuck in a rut or trying to make a quick buck. He was an experimenter and he was always trying something different. So I find even his failures interesting on a certain level. Doesn't mean I really ever want to watch Dr. T & The Women again...

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:41 (ten years ago) link

I'm not the hugest fan of Short Cuts. It doesn't really come together in the way that Altman seems to want it to. Definitely some good stuff in it, though (love Lyle Lovett's arc).

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 01:43 (ten years ago) link

yeah short cuts has good segments, but not all of them are good and the coming-together of the different strands feels forced.

otoh, it's better than grand canyon. (i assume it's better than crash too, but i'm not going to watch that to find out.)

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:42 (ten years ago) link

Spoiler: It's better than Crash. Which is damning it with the faintest of faint praise.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:45 (ten years ago) link

lol yeah. Crash is pretty insipid and manipulative, especially THE scene.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 27 November 2009 02:48 (ten years ago) link

Short Cuts meant so much to teenaged me, at least in part as a window into what I imagined life would be like in middle age. So, that.

Cricket riding a tumbleweed (Plasmon), Friday, 27 November 2009 02:58 (ten years ago) link

gotta go with Nashville

t0dd swiss, Friday, 27 November 2009 03:49 (ten years ago) link

yah short cuts was ~important~ and ~meaningful~ 2 teenage me also because i thought carver was a prophet 4 lyfe its shambolic and forced but i love like a russian novel

¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:21 (ten years ago) link

ya i voted shortcuts

real talk, mash is boring and dumb and crappy

farting irl (cankles), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:22 (ten years ago) link

so is the show

farting irl (cankles), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:22 (ten years ago) link

I saw Streamers when it was released -- his most homoerotic film, bcz of the play. Not a great piece of material, but some good acting from Modine and others.

are we picking worst film ever made? because there are a few contenders here.

Hell no, not even O.C. and Stiggs.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:25 (ten years ago) link

Out of the ones I've seen, which is admittedly less than 1/2, I also had to vote Short Cuts. Like Lamp this is partially due to Carver <3.

bear say hi to me (ENBB), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:31 (ten years ago) link

Voted for McCabe and Mrs Miller.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 November 2009 04:33 (ten years ago) link

You know MASH is really amazing as it's all over the place, no more than Porky's-with-bullets in a few parts, sexist and cruel and all the rest of it and the characters don't make any damn sense (how comes hotlips is suddenly smiling and playing poker at the end with a bunch of people she hated for the last 2 hours?) and yet it's a bloody *brilliant *film despite the flaws.
i can never work it out. is it maybe just that it's dated so badly or is it just .. a mess. in a good way?

The Long Goodbye for me. Makes me want to live in L.A.

piscesx, Friday, 27 November 2009 14:40 (ten years ago) link

prob TLG for me. i love N'ville, but if I were going to give one the business for possibly being overrated...

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Friday, 27 November 2009 14:48 (ten years ago) link

california split.

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 27 November 2009 14:59 (ten years ago) link

3 Women is one of the strangest, most fascinating films I've ever seen.

groovemaaan, Friday, 27 November 2009 15:29 (ten years ago) link

will Jimmy Dean ever become available on DVD?

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 November 2009 15:37 (ten years ago) link

The Long Goodbye, just ahead of McCabe & Mrs Miller and Short Cuts. Still haven't seen Nashville though.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 27 November 2009 16:09 (ten years ago) link

Voted A Wedding because nobody else offered.

Twisted Hipster (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 November 2009 16:21 (ten years ago) link

Pragmatically, I'll be voting for Nashville, to stave off a win by MASH or Gosford Park. Otherwise, I'd vote 3 Women, The Long Goodbye or even The Company.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:41 (ten years ago) link

Or Short Cuts or McCabe.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:42 (ten years ago) link

wtf w/ The Company, Eric? Is it just the dance milieu? is there some open-heart surgery scene I missed?

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 November 2009 17:54 (ten years ago) link

Vincent and Theo

smashing aspirant (milo z), Friday, 27 November 2009 18:38 (ten years ago) link

wtf w/ The Company

OK, yeah, the movie doesn't gel as "properly" as does Gosford, and it doesn't make for a neat, self-aware summation like Prairie Home, but The Company is the only one of his last stretch that fully achieves of-the-moment perspective. Maybe because it doesn't seem to ever aim for the major epiphanies, aside from "My Funny Valentine," which is absolutely one of the most thrilling scenes I've seen all decade (and manages it in spite of Neve's clearly limited skills as a dancer). So yeah, you can keep your Gosford Park.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:28 (ten years ago) link

OK, I will! (as I don't even remember "My Funny Valentine.")

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:32 (ten years ago) link

YES. That scene was amazing. It's the outdoor performance, during the lightning storm. I was just agog the first time I watched that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n37R4o1WTM

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 28 November 2009 02:35 (ten years ago) link

Correct

flappy bird, Sunday, 26 April 2020 05:36 (one month ago) link

Since we're all quarantined and Brewster McCloud has come up, might I interest you in the insane story of the guy who played the fat security guard in said film?: https://www.houstonpress.com/news/houston-babylon-dean-goss-houstons-jackie-gleason-houstons-bluebeard-or-both-6743586

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 26 April 2020 05:46 (one month ago) link

saw McCabe & Mrs. Miller again, one of my favorite films ever, it still seems perfect to me, a beautiful recreation of frontier life

I liked the way it intertwined the events of the story with the lyrics of the Leonard Cohen songs

Dan S, Monday, 4 May 2020 22:49 (three weeks ago) link

Julie Christie was acknowledged as great in it, but Warren Beatty was too. he plays an overconfident, wily, sweet doofus really well

Dan S, Monday, 4 May 2020 22:51 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Long Goodbye is good and it is one of those films I think will like better after contemplating and watching again

Dan S, Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:11 (six days ago) link

I could watch it forever.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:19 (six days ago) link

on first viewing I don't think it is as beautifully imagined visually as McCabe & Mrs. Miller, and its interpretation of Marlowe is more cynical and less interesting to me than Chandler’s, but it has the same interest in milieu and casual approach to filmed conversation as Altman’s previous films, which I really like

Dan S, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:30 (six days ago) link

Get thee to a California Split if you haven't already.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:32 (six days ago) link

after decades since seeing them I'm watching his films again in order (as much as I can)

Dan S, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:35 (six days ago) link

California Split's on Amazon Prime, and it's friskier than I remembered.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:37 (six days ago) link

was planning on watching Thieves Like Us next, although I think maybe I shouldn't bother but should just skip to California Split

Dan S, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:56 (six days ago) link

Thieves Like Us is good!

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 21 May 2020 02:00 (six days ago) link

ok, I will go ahead and watch it!

Dan S, Thursday, 21 May 2020 02:03 (six days ago) link

California Split is barely a movie. I mean this mostly as a compliment

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 02:08 (six days ago) link

The Theatrical Cut of California Split was recently added to Prime.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 May 2020 02:19 (six days ago) link

^whoa. is it cropped? the one on iTunes is not in 2:35:1

California Split is barely a movie. I mean this mostly as a compliment

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.)

it's a movie of grace notes and small moments. George Segal's character is fascinating, half in half out, the way he gets in bed with that girl and jumps up when her roommate comes home, or when he leaves the craps table after that girl comes up and says "it's my birthday!!"... and that all comes to a head in that final scene, and in that one long slow zoom of Segal sitting far away after winning everything. Gambling is a much easier addiction to externalize than most drugs and California Split leans more into AA/NA (or Synanon) territory, compared to something like The Hustler.

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:28 (six days ago) link

This Says It Is in 2.35:1 https://theplaylist.net/california-split-robert-altman-amazon-prime-20200512/

Rumor mill says this is in advance of Indictor releasing an uncut R2 BluRay.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 May 2020 05:03 (six days ago) link

INDICATOR

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 May 2020 05:04 (six days ago) link

I will be giving California Split another shot someday.

Vegemite Is My Grrl (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:22 (six days ago) link

whats the deal with the different cuts of California Split? Any drastic differences?

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 May 2020 13:24 (six days ago) link

Watched California Split, loved it

"It didn't mean a fucking thing, did it?"

XP Some Altman Stans consider the shorter DVD cut a mutilation. Having seen both edits, I don't feel the same way. Altman had to re-edit out and around some live music (most of the film's soundtrack is standards performed by a lounge singer off & on-screen). Since, as Flappy notes, the film is all grace notes and small moments, this wasn't the same as, say, losing all the flashbacks in The Wild Bunch, and some other legendary edit difference. The flavor of the film remains.

However, it's exciting that the original is out there again in the OAR.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:07 (six days ago) link

"...or some other..."

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:08 (six days ago) link

CS reminds me of that line hurled at Peter Fonda in The Limey: "You're more like a vibe than a person."

Thieves Like Us is the better film, yeah. I bought the DVD upon its release in the late '00s.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:13 (six days ago) link

I should just do a full-blown Altman rewatch while I'm stuck at home. I have pretty much the whole kit and caboodle (save some of the minor '80s stuff and my copy of Quintet which seems to have evaporated into the ether).

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:18 (six days ago) link

I’ve been doing it and it’s great. McCabe? Overrated !

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:20 (six days ago) link

I kind of hate Nashville.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:31 (six days ago) link

I got through 20 minutes of Quintet once.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:59 (six days ago) link

That's a flag post, a flag post and a flag post. Thanks friends!

Vegemite Is My Grrl (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:16 (six days ago) link

(OK, I stretched on the last one. Quintet really is about as tough to get through as any Altman.)

Vegemite Is My Grrl (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:17 (six days ago) link

I bailed on A Perfect Couple too. I think I have a digital file of Health lifted off YouTube that I haven't yet looked at.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:21 (six days ago) link

I like Nashville and McCabe a lot but sometimes I think they both might be subject to the A Love Supreme thing, where at some point it became convenient to elevate them for canonization as unimpeachable masterpieces as a shorthand for the whole sprawling body of work

I had never heard of Quintet until I got that big Altman coffeetable book a few years ago, and just from the photos and brief descriptions of it boy oh boy does it look rough

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:38 (six days ago) link

Quintet sucks. it didn't have to--he shot it very plainly and lots of wide and medium shots, which make the shitty sets stand out. could've worked as a more obscure mood piece like Images

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:40 (six days ago) link

You can make a great sci-fi movie with almost no money. Godard and Fassbinder did it in Paris w/ very few or no sets. and you can make a great sci-fi movie with only a few people, like Solaris.

Quintet, they obviously had some budget, but it is all so ponderous and visually BORING.

I like A Perfect Couple but it could've been better. Feels more like an Alan Rudolph movie honestly

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:43 (six days ago) link

I like Nashville and McCabe a lot but sometimes I think they both might be subject to the A Love Supreme thing, where at some point it became convenient to elevate them for canonization as unimpeachable masterpieces as a shorthand for the whole sprawling body of work

Maybe ... you add 3 Women, which has arguably emerged as the default "rediscovered" Altman pick, to Nashville and McCabe and you have my list of the no-contest top three Altman movies.

Vegemite Is My Grrl (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:10 (six days ago) link

(OK, I stretched on the last one. Quintet really is about as tough to get through as any Altman.)

― Vegemite Is My Grrl (Eric H.), Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:17 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

*cougho.c.andstiggscoughcough*

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:26 (six days ago) link

is Images any good? It's on Shudder(!).

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:28 (six days ago) link

I like it but opinions vary. It's 3 Women-esque.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:35 (six days ago) link

It's 3 Women without its fluency, although 3 Women is often aqueous and opaque in oft-putting ways.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:38 (six days ago) link

With Images, I imagine Altman finishing Mrs. Dalloway and thinking, "I can do this."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:39 (six days ago) link

I only saw 3 Women in film class so maybe I was extra receptive, but I LOVED it.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:40 (six days ago) link

Yeah. Anytime I think of this thread I think of Shelly Duvall's recipes:

Completely disgusting foods our parents ate

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:42 (six days ago) link

I love 3 Women but Images left me cold. Same style, and as someone pointed out upthread (or in another Altman thread), he seemed drawn to these cold, European influenced existential identity films that he is not known for at all... Images is just kind of boring imo bc it's just Susannah York losing her mind alone in a castle.

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:09 (six days ago) link

Shelley duvall and sissy Spacek is the perfect cast

plax (ico), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:11 (six days ago) link

Is this the only film they starred in together?

plax (ico), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:12 (six days ago) link

Weird Texan actresses of the '70s supergroup

plax (ico), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:12 (six days ago) link

"don't call me Millie, because I HAYTE it"

Love her

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:27 (six days ago) link

it's just Susannah York losing her mind alone in a castle

this might sound more appealing if she weren't by far the worst thing about one of my most-watched movies of late, The Silent Partner

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 18:26 (six days ago) link

Is there a way to tell which cut of California Split is the theatrical cut on Prime? There are two versions available, the one link in the playlist piece has the 2004 DVD cover. That the one? I can't remember

flappy bird, Sunday, 24 May 2020 04:51 (three days ago) link

Ohh this one is definitely restored, cool

flappy bird, Sunday, 24 May 2020 04:54 (three days ago) link


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