Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (novel, miniseries, and forthcoming film to be directed by Tomas Alfredson)

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the miniseries is pretty amazing. i haven't read the novel. i just saw this bit of news, which is a little old but hopefully still accurate:

Tomas Alfredson signs on for 'Tinker, Tailor'

July 09, 2009 Fresh from the success of highly acclaimed vampire movie "Let The Right One In," award-winning Swedish director Tomas Alfredson has signed on as director on Working Title upcoming project "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy," the company announced Thursday. The new feature film adaptation of John Le Carre's seminal cold war best-seller is being produced by Working Title's co-chairmen Tim Bevan and Eric Fellner, and marks their next collaboration with Academy Award-nominated screenwriter Peter Morgan ("Frost/Nixon," "The Queen") and will be exec-produced by Debra Hayward, Liza Chasin, John Le Carre and Peter Morgan. A 1970s British television series starred Alec Guinness as George Smiley the retired former British intelligence officer called in to track down the double agent within the spy agency.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link

this sounds awesome

chillwave dudes get washed out, totally (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 November 2009 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link

been musing on the possible cast. i hope it's a similar set of dope brit character actors surrounding an old-school charismatic star.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah both miniseries (including Smiley's People) are stellar. One of my favorite moments is in SP when Smiley finds the film using 'Moscow rules.'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 November 2009 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link

i downloaded a torrent of the series but there are no subtitles during the lengthy bits where theyre speaking russian

max, Friday, 20 November 2009 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link

ian mcshane for percy? ian mckellen as bill haydon?

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link

love the book, love the miniseries. only problem with it is i cant remember who i lent it to.

interesting project, but i cant really imagine anyone doing better than guinness. that was a truly magnificent performance.

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 20 November 2009 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

s1ocki otm

stet, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I have a hard time imagining that this could touch the miniseries, which was pretty much perfect.

Moodles, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i have a hard time imagining that i can't touch my miniseries as someone has borrowed it and i can't remember who :(

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 20 November 2009 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link

i hope this isn't a horrible travesty that makes me sad - because the original miniseries was so great.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

alec guinness' performance is on another level in the miniseries, true. i think it's possible to make a good film of this and get everything into 150-160 minutes without rushing through. i have a good feeling about this one though i'm not expecting it to be a definitive take (that's already been accomplished obv.) i assume the choice of alfredson means they won't try to bourne things up too much.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Mmmf, something just occurred to me -- are they going to try and make this a period piece or are they going the contemporary route?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 November 2009 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link

This could be interesting but I'd be concerned that the slow, twisty procedural of the book, which worked well on TV, mightn't transfer properly to a 2 hour movie.

Herman G. Neuname is the first European president (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 November 2009 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link

the opening scene of the 70s 'tinker tailor', where the spies all sit down and smoke, not saying a word but speaking volumes, is prob my fave bit of telly ever, partly cos i used to work very near cambridge circus, seen in the very first shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyBuUM6BRy0

Ward Fowler, Friday, 20 November 2009 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Absolutely agree. One of my favourite pieces of television ever. I wonder whether the new film will also consist of an awful lot of footage of middle-aged men smoking in dingey rooms.

'virgin' should be 'wizard' (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link

odd that they're redoing it, but love love love Alfredson and Morgan.

sean gramophone, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link

they should have done the middle book The Honourable Schoolboy instead, at least that one hasn't been taken yet :/

zappi, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link

That one always was a little out of place, though. Don't get me wrong, it's excellent.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I found Honorable Schoolboy to be a little odd and difficult to relate to.

Is it just me or do a disturbing number of his novels end with the protagonist just about to make it to safety when they are suddenly brutally gunned down?

Moodles, Saturday, 21 November 2009 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Hahaha yeah

Herman G. Neuname is the first European president (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2009 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link

spoilers?

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Saturday, 21 November 2009 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

wonder how this is gonna work, really

but it'll be good to have gary oldman starring in a non-shit film for a change

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

don't count yr chickens etc

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

the tv show is veeeeerrrryyyy slllooooooowwww but that's part of the charm

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

michael bay to direct

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

the tv show is so insanely good

so slow and subtle

so awesome

real s1ock (s1ocki), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

the opening scene of the 70s 'tinker tailor', where the spies all sit down and smoke, not saying a word but speaking volumes, is prob my fave bit of telly ever, partly cos i used to work very near cambridge circus, seen in the very first shot:

― Ward Fowler, Friday, November 20, 2009 6:52 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark

otm

not mad on guinness's stuff when he was younger, tbh, but he totally shreds in this

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i was just thinking about watching this again. "smiley's people" is really good too.

the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

i remember watching the tv show when i was abt 12 and liked le carré, i wanted to like it but it was too slow for me then

nakhchivan, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:35 (twelve years ago) link

benedict cumberbatch hahaha just fucking cast bill nighy and make it a romantic comedy*

*[placeholder for explanation of how it already is]

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

wonder if they'll leave in the two female characters

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

i really love how the tv version kind of starts off on this note of smiley being this totally out-of-the-loop outsider who is "too old for this shit", and then he sits down with the british agents at the estate house to meet with the spy-on-the-run, and he takes off his glasses and puts them back on and gives this dude a look which says in an instant that he's the smartest and toughest dude around and it's like "oh shit."

mark strong just got cast, too. so it's him and oldman, firth, cumberbatch, hinds, ralph fiennes and tom hardy.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

Holy shit. It might actually work.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I found Honorable Schoolboy to be a little odd and difficult to relate to.

One big problem with that one was the woman character, who is as badly drawn as all Le Carre women characters (with possible exception of Connie). I do wonder sometimes whether Le Carre has ever met any actual women.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

But I still totally love TTSS and SP.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

he takes off his glasses and puts them back on and gives this dude a look which says in an instant that he's the smartest and toughest dude around and it's like "oh shit."

otfm

rmde @ the romo dumplings (history mayne), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

Absolutely the best moment of the whole series, I get chills just thinking about it.

Moodles, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

not sure if this was mentioned but it's apparently retaining the cold war era for the setting.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

Thank god for that.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

man i gotta find my dvds of the show so i can watch it again

guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

I have a hard time imagining that this could touch the miniseries, which was pretty much perfect.

― Moodles, Friday, November 20, 2009 11:44 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i have a hard time imagining that i can't touch my miniseries as someone has borrowed it and i can't remember who :(

― 311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, November 20, 2009 11:57 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark

guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

it's always in the place where you least expect it, like the amazon marketplace page of your friend or acquaintance.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Unwittingly I've only watched the compressed, US six-episode (instead of seven) version of the series. Apparently they've even jumbled the chronology of some scenes around. Anyone seen both?

abcfsk, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

oh shit, that's the version i've seen too (via netflix).

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

Basically I'm going to get and watch the original no matter how trivial the differences might be. Every scene could be longer. Feels like I can still taste the words exchanged between Smiley and Prideaux in the car, at the hotel, walking around the moors.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

gonna be great this i can feel it. god knows how they're going to squelch it all down to 2 hours. if they can nail the Ricky Tarr bit they've got the rest i think.

piscesx, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

tom hardy playing ricky tarr fyi

omar little, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 05:39 (twelve years ago) link

super stoked for this... killer cast

Princess TamTam, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:11 (twelve years ago) link

oh and i like that the first words of the book are the truth is... and the last words are ...a dream

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 08:58 (two years ago) link

Beautiful post

scampsite (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:19 (two years ago) link

Really enjoyed those posts yeah

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:30 (two years ago) link

In the miniseries george can probably deduce esterhase as running boy (but not clear him of *knowledge* of betrayal) based on the change in tone overnight to jerry westerby's story- showed that the former was a follower

Esterhase name comes up again as knowing control's tinker/tailor codenames after speaking to prideaux- nothing concrete here except it would appear to 100% confirm esterhase is at least in line of receipt of info from karla

At that stage its maybe just a case of having more power to coerce toby in getting the safe house location

scampsite (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:33 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

The Curiously Specific Bookclub podcast does Tinker, Tailor: https://curiouslyspecific.com/2021/04/30/tinker-tailor-soldier-spy/

(It's a podcast that tracks and visits geographical places in various literary texts.)

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 1 May 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

bbc4 re-showing the original series starting on saturday

oscar bravo, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 15:31 (two years ago) link

nice. My torrented copy of it died with last hard drive.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 15:39 (two years ago) link

Excellent!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 16:13 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Reading The Honourable Schoolboy for the first time, the energetic tone is a bit of a surprise vs. TTSP or The Spy Who Came In... - upthread description as a Boy's Own adventure seems OTM.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Sunday, 11 July 2021 08:29 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Well well well if it isn’t a long essay I wrote about the marriage of George and Ann Smiley simply because Brandy requested it https://t.co/Ywdfpf4BxN

— Rosa Lyster (@rosalyster) August 23, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 August 2021 17:27 (one year ago) link

I liked that

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Monday, 23 August 2021 20:29 (one year ago) link

Is the Secret Pilgrim good? I've never gone later than Smiley's People with Le Carre.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 23 August 2021 21:14 (one year ago) link

perfect spy is better imo, but is not a smiley book.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 23 August 2021 21:16 (one year ago) link

I enjoyed the Brandy Jensen article. I wonder where masochism fits into the picture with Smiley - his relationship with Ann, foremost, but also his job, serving the sadistic mother of the state. Though it's hard to say exactly where Smiley's jouissance is ever apparent. Nina Coltart said that one aspect of masochism is 'making the best of a bad job', which seems to fit with Smiley's deep-set melancholia.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 18:59 (one year ago) link

Jaded sense of duty fits better than masochism, i think?

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 19:17 (one year ago) link

I was listening to a Kim Philby anecdote read from the Alan Bennett diaries the other day. A female acquaintance sees Philby trying it on with a young woman on the couch at some exclusive members club. Then 10 minutes later she notices him on the same couch trying it on with a young guy and catches eyes with him and admonishes him with "Kim, you are so fickle". He replies " Well fortunately my dear, often a bit of fickle leads to a fuckle".

calzino, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 19:29 (one year ago) link

Yeah I get no masochism in Smiley because no pleasure - just duty as a structure in a meaningless world

pings and noodles (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 19:53 (one year ago) link

I think jouissance is more complicated than being merely about pleasure. One question implicit in that article is why does Smiley keep coming back? If one way of framing masochism is commitment to the Other's enjoyment then that seems at least one way of explaining Smiley's sense of duty in all of his relationships - beyond mere automated behaviour.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 20:23 (one year ago) link

No that's fair but I don't think JLC gets jouissance at all and for me Smiley has always been old, tired, maybe his pictures and literature are a passion but he's super jaded and clings to the least worst philosophy he can imagine

pings and noodles (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 20:45 (one year ago) link

Le Carre tries very hard to elide most of the gayness out of the Cambridge spy ring

pings and noodles (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 20:57 (one year ago) link

Hahaha, yes. And agree that Smiley seems like a character born old and enervated. He might as well be a flag-bearer for Paul Gilroy's post-colonial melancholia.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 21:03 (one year ago) link

Still love this book obv

pings and noodles (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 21:06 (one year ago) link

JLC is always so entirely at sea outside purely european affect that i can't see smiley intersecting with any of gilroy's actual concerns

i mean yes he can sketch an unbearably hot interrogation cell in delhi but if we stepped momentarily outside the prison the disbelief wd instantly stop suspending

(also the anne piece isn't actually by brandy jensen, she commissioned it) (i continue to think the anne stuff just doesn't work)

mark s, Thursday, 2 September 2021 11:09 (one year ago) link

(viz the piece is a brave attempt at rescuing JLC's competence w/a woman character but it doesn't convince me)

mark s, Thursday, 2 September 2021 11:11 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

I am finally watching TTSS for the first time ever.

I read the book a very long time ago so I'm finding it difficult keeping everyone's names and surnames straight.

I'm enjoying how mostly it's about office politics.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 23 September 2021 14:07 (one year ago) link

the TV series or the film?

mark s, Thursday, 23 September 2021 15:15 (one year ago) link

tv!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 23 September 2021 15:53 (one year ago) link

when i was wincing about the terrible writing in Blake's 7 the other night i thought "maybe all Brit TV writing was rubbish back in the 70s" but then I remembered TTSS and thought "naaaah there's no excuse"

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 16:04 (one year ago) link

Liveblog pls

The seven or the six part version?

Ive the former on plex fyi

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 September 2021 23:09 (one year ago) link

I don’t know actually, I’m still on Disc 1 (ep 4). Total running time “315 minutes approx” apparently. Comes with a doc called The Secret Centre.

Is your plex, uh, “open for business” deems?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 September 2021 08:05 (one year ago) link

Yep its my ilxname

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 24 September 2021 10:32 (one year ago) link

tracer thinks he's downloading material from deems but in reality deems is now downloading far more valuable material from tracer

mark s, Friday, 24 September 2021 10:34 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

anyone read silverview yet?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 7 November 2021 15:49 (one year ago) link

tinker tailor soldier spy if it was adapted today pic.twitter.com/mngv3KRIjB

— the banks are out of money (@mrgracemugabe) July 26, 2020

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 20 November 2021 23:06 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

🧵Meet Maria Adela Kuhfeldt Rivera, widow, jeweller, and socialite. The love child of a German father and a Peruvian mother, born in Callao, Peru, and abandoned in Moscow by her mother during the 1980 Olympic Games. pic.twitter.com/wHo6qSmKik

— Eliot Higgins (@EliotHiggins) August 26, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 August 2022 14:43 (nine months ago) link

The investigation had blown the lid on a glaring hole in the GRU’s tradecraft: for nearly a decade, the GRU had furnished their spies with consecutively numbered passports, allowing investigative journalists to uncover other spies by simply tracing such batches of numbers. pic.twitter.com/kbPI3E06mi

— Eliot Higgins (@EliotHiggins) August 26, 2022

https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/thumb/c/c3/D%27oh.jpg/200px-D%27oh.jpg

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 26 August 2022 15:28 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

pareene barely tweeting any longer is depriving us all

(rally Trump voice) And they're very unfair to me at the Circus (boos). No good at the Circus. George SMILEY. Slimy Smiley. (boos intensify) Ann is a very lovely woman of course

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) October 12, 2022

mark s, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 15:29 (seven months ago) link

lmao

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 16:57 (seven months ago) link

Young guy at work just watched this for the first time and was raving about it.

Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 17:33 (seven months ago) link

'love to ann'

mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 18:21 (seven months ago) link

Slimy Smiley lets his cousin cuckold him. We don't like cuckolds do we folks?

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 20:07 (seven months ago) link

Failing NY Times keeps falsely reporting about the KARLA COLLUSION HOAX, my meetings with Karla have been perfect and wonderful, nobody can find anything wrong with them

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 20:17 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

https://theap.substack.com/p/the-honourable-schoolboy

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 12 November 2022 05:09 (six months ago) link

two months pass...
two months pass...

an awful lot of footage of middle-aged men smoking in dingey rooms.

― 'virgin' should be 'wizard' (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:00 (thirteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

i rewatched TTSS (1979, tv version) over the last two nights and this was my takeaway also (added comment: some superbly cut suits also)

is the duncan jones who plays bill "jumbo" roach bowie's kid? nowhere i googled said no so i choose to believe yes. almost everyone except @sirpatstew has now left the building so karla wins again IMO (exceptions: guillam, lady ann and JOSS ACKLAND at a sprightly 95)

odd seeing london captured at the moment i first arrived in it, a world and time away: cambridge circus in particular somewhat changed (mostly apparently filmed from a high window in the palace theatre and NOT imo the building that i believe le carré had in mind: obscured by trees but i believe the "pepperpot tower" which housed control's lair is in the top right of this image )

mark s, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 10:36 (two months ago) link

jlc does this very neatly, by moving the "explanation of how everything fits" early, to scare a suspect he appears already to have cleared into switching sides: i have to say despite close rereading i don't quite get why this particular suspect has been cleared, mind you

― mark s, Saturday, 10 September 2011 17:46 (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

^^^me 11 years ago (discussing the book)

well the TV show tidies this issue up extremely neatly in the westerby section btw -- i'd have to check if it follows the book here (quite likely, which means i missed it in my ilx-blogged deepread) (also quite likely): it's evident in toby's sharply shifting reaction to westerby's info (one day pleased, the next day fake-furious) that he's not fully in the loop and thus cannot be the mole lol what else did you think i'd be hiding

mark s, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 11:55 (two months ago) link

yes i think my last tv series watch slotted that into place for me- that person's positioning as the errand boy gave a view of them as out of that loop

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 12:56 (two months ago) link

halfway thru my rewatch of SMILEY'S PEOPLE (1982)

i stick by my judgment (based mainly on the book tho i have watched the TV version also) that the project is basically an exercise in wish fulfilment (le carré's on behalf of smiley) and that this makes it a lesser proposition as a novel and as "art"… BUT there's something extremely beguiling and unusual abt the visual journey we take, not just across the class spectum of london, from baywater to hampstead heath to wherever it is willem lives (they say but i forgot), but simiiarly contrasting reaches of germany, france and switzerland (fancy and bleak, urban and rurual), including many travelling shots along various autobahns and autoroutes and funny little lanes, plus whichever ferry it is that willem shows the oranges to otto on. the oddest scene is the hippy-punk encampment by the lake, which is like something out of cormac mccarthy lol. agent max meets mad max in a liminal nowhere between the two germanys ("ours" and "theirs"). and it's full of the language of magic -- a character is called the magician, the sandman is making a legend for a girl…

it's not exactly picaresque -- bcz the quest is extremely focused and rigorous -- but it is somehow very dreamlike, as a nostalgia for what pynchon once called "the zone" (that space where the routine post-war rules and bureaucracies had not yet returned to enforce themselves), except this zone is perhaps smiley's own when young, a british agent speaking german secretly at large in occupied europe during the war, at once constrained by all manner of terrors and utterly (existentially) free, free to make his own context. the others keep anxiously repeating his own words back at him: when the whistle blows go home, never dabble in unfinished business post-retirement, yet here he is in a pitiless scrunched-up ecstasy of breaking that rule and many others. and bernard hepton as toby esterhase is just a joy alongside him, just so happy to see it all working so perfectly (again: wish fulfilment) and to be so fully part of it himself… he's loving it!

mark s, Friday, 24 March 2023 17:28 (two months ago) link

yeah

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 24 March 2023 17:37 (two months ago) link

both series do such a good job of capturing a world that is just completely gone now, it's almost like visiting an alien planet

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 24 March 2023 17:37 (two months ago) link


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