Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (novel, miniseries, and forthcoming film to be directed by Tomas Alfredson)

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the miniseries is pretty amazing. i haven't read the novel. i just saw this bit of news, which is a little old but hopefully still accurate:

Tomas Alfredson signs on for 'Tinker, Tailor'

July 09, 2009 Fresh from the success of highly acclaimed vampire movie "Let The Right One In," award-winning Swedish director Tomas Alfredson has signed on as director on Working Title upcoming project "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy," the company announced Thursday. The new feature film adaptation of John Le Carre's seminal cold war best-seller is being produced by Working Title's co-chairmen Tim Bevan and Eric Fellner, and marks their next collaboration with Academy Award-nominated screenwriter Peter Morgan ("Frost/Nixon," "The Queen") and will be exec-produced by Debra Hayward, Liza Chasin, John Le Carre and Peter Morgan. A 1970s British television series starred Alec Guinness as George Smiley the retired former British intelligence officer called in to track down the double agent within the spy agency.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 01:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

this sounds awesome

chillwave dudes get washed out, totally (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 November 2009 01:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

been musing on the possible cast. i hope it's a similar set of dope brit character actors surrounding an old-school charismatic star.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 02:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah both miniseries (including Smiley's People) are stellar. One of my favorite moments is in SP when Smiley finds the film using 'Moscow rules.'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 November 2009 02:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

i downloaded a torrent of the series but there are no subtitles during the lengthy bits where theyre speaking russian

max, Friday, 20 November 2009 02:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

ian mcshane for percy? ian mckellen as bill haydon?

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 15:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

love the book, love the miniseries. only problem with it is i cant remember who i lent it to.

interesting project, but i cant really imagine anyone doing better than guinness. that was a truly magnificent performance.

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 20 November 2009 16:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

s1ocki otm

stet, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

I have a hard time imagining that this could touch the miniseries, which was pretty much perfect.

Moodles, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

i have a hard time imagining that i can't touch my miniseries as someone has borrowed it and i can't remember who :(

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 20 November 2009 16:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

i hope this isn't a horrible travesty that makes me sad - because the original miniseries was so great.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 17:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

alec guinness' performance is on another level in the miniseries, true. i think it's possible to make a good film of this and get everything into 150-160 minutes without rushing through. i have a good feeling about this one though i'm not expecting it to be a definitive take (that's already been accomplished obv.) i assume the choice of alfredson means they won't try to bourne things up too much.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 18:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Mmmf, something just occurred to me -- are they going to try and make this a period piece or are they going the contemporary route?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 November 2009 18:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

This could be interesting but I'd be concerned that the slow, twisty procedural of the book, which worked well on TV, mightn't transfer properly to a 2 hour movie.

Herman G. Neuname is the first European president (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 November 2009 18:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

the opening scene of the 70s 'tinker tailor', where the spies all sit down and smoke, not saying a word but speaking volumes, is prob my fave bit of telly ever, partly cos i used to work very near cambridge circus, seen in the very first shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyBuUM6BRy0

Ward Fowler, Friday, 20 November 2009 18:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Absolutely agree. One of my favourite pieces of television ever. I wonder whether the new film will also consist of an awful lot of footage of middle-aged men smoking in dingey rooms.

'virgin' should be 'wizard' (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

odd that they're redoing it, but love love love Alfredson and Morgan.

sean gramophone, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

they should have done the middle book The Honourable Schoolboy instead, at least that one hasn't been taken yet :/

zappi, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

That one always was a little out of place, though. Don't get me wrong, it's excellent.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I found Honorable Schoolboy to be a little odd and difficult to relate to.

Is it just me or do a disturbing number of his novels end with the protagonist just about to make it to safety when they are suddenly brutally gunned down?

Moodles, Saturday, 21 November 2009 01:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hahaha yeah

Herman G. Neuname is the first European president (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2009 14:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

spoilers?

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Saturday, 21 November 2009 15:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

wonder how this is gonna work, really

but it'll be good to have gary oldman starring in a non-shit film for a change

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

don't count yr chickens etc

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

the tv show is veeeeerrrryyyy slllooooooowwww but that's part of the charm

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

michael bay to direct

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

the tv show is so insanely good

so slow and subtle

so awesome

real s1ock (s1ocki), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

the opening scene of the 70s 'tinker tailor', where the spies all sit down and smoke, not saying a word but speaking volumes, is prob my fave bit of telly ever, partly cos i used to work very near cambridge circus, seen in the very first shot:

― Ward Fowler, Friday, November 20, 2009 6:52 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark

otm

not mad on guinness's stuff when he was younger, tbh, but he totally shreds in this

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i was just thinking about watching this again. "smiley's people" is really good too.

the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

i remember watching the tv show when i was abt 12 and liked le carré, i wanted to like it but it was too slow for me then

nakhchivan, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

benedict cumberbatch hahaha just fucking cast bill nighy and make it a romantic comedy*

*[placeholder for explanation of how it already is]

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

wonder if they'll leave in the two female characters

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i really love how the tv version kind of starts off on this note of smiley being this totally out-of-the-loop outsider who is "too old for this shit", and then he sits down with the british agents at the estate house to meet with the spy-on-the-run, and he takes off his glasses and puts them back on and gives this dude a look which says in an instant that he's the smartest and toughest dude around and it's like "oh shit."

mark strong just got cast, too. so it's him and oldman, firth, cumberbatch, hinds, ralph fiennes and tom hardy.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Holy shit. It might actually work.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I found Honorable Schoolboy to be a little odd and difficult to relate to.

One big problem with that one was the woman character, who is as badly drawn as all Le Carre women characters (with possible exception of Connie). I do wonder sometimes whether Le Carre has ever met any actual women.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

But I still totally love TTSS and SP.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

he takes off his glasses and puts them back on and gives this dude a look which says in an instant that he's the smartest and toughest dude around and it's like "oh shit."

otfm

rmde @ the romo dumplings (history mayne), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 18:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Absolutely the best moment of the whole series, I get chills just thinking about it.

Moodles, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 18:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

not sure if this was mentioned but it's apparently retaining the cold war era for the setting.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thank god for that.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

man i gotta find my dvds of the show so i can watch it again

guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have a hard time imagining that this could touch the miniseries, which was pretty much perfect.

― Moodles, Friday, November 20, 2009 11:44 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i have a hard time imagining that i can't touch my miniseries as someone has borrowed it and i can't remember who :(

― 311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, November 20, 2009 11:57 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark

guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's always in the place where you least expect it, like the amazon marketplace page of your friend or acquaintance.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Unwittingly I've only watched the compressed, US six-episode (instead of seven) version of the series. Apparently they've even jumbled the chronology of some scenes around. Anyone seen both?

abcfsk, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh shit, that's the version i've seen too (via netflix).

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Basically I'm going to get and watch the original no matter how trivial the differences might be. Every scene could be longer. Feels like I can still taste the words exchanged between Smiley and Prideaux in the car, at the hotel, walking around the moors.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 22:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

gonna be great this i can feel it. god knows how they're going to squelch it all down to 2 hours. if they can nail the Ricky Tarr bit they've got the rest i think.

piscesx, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

tom hardy playing ricky tarr fyi

omar little, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 05:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

super stoked for this... killer cast

Princess TamTam, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

o nice gon check it out

lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 18:39 (one year ago) Permalink

The Night Manager recap: episode one – as sexy and sumptuous as TV gets

It’s got revolution, respectful sex and a hospitality professional who looks set to thwart international arms dealing without even dislodging his tie pin. No wonder it’s the spy thrillers that get the big budgets

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:29 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah surprisingly into it

woof, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:33 (one year ago) Permalink

will watch any le carre adaptation

lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 19:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I watched the movie for the first time, and while I really liked it, one thing bugged me a lot... I haven't read the book, so maybe it's better explained there? What I'm talking about is how Smiley figures out what the whole Polyakov/Witchcraft thing really is (a setup by Karla) and what it's ultimate goal is (to feed false intel to Americans that gets "confirmed" as genuine by MI6). He seems confident enough in his theory to get angry at the minister (his superior) who still believes in Witchcraft, yet we never see him discovering any evidence that would make him suspect Polyakov is anything else than what Alleline thinks he is. Sure, once he finds out the mole has been in contact with Polyakov, it becomes evident that Polyakov is a triple agent, because otherwise the mole would've informed on him to Karla, and the whole Witchcraft operation would've ended. But Smiley makes his grand statement to the minister before the scene where we find out all four mole suspects know who Polyakov is and are in regular contact with him. (Previously it was implied only Alleline knew who was behind Witchcraft; if Smiley presumed that this was the case, and Alleline wasn't the mole, then the mole wouldn't have been able to burn Polyakov.)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 08:52 (one year ago) Permalink

loved NGHTMGR

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 10:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah it was great despite a couple of plotting clangers that can probably be attributed to Le Carre not really understanding modern technology.

Even allowing for the alarm system, it was a bit weird that Roper kept his top secret arms documents in an unlocked desk drawer when he was fully capable of getting a safe.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 12:08 (one year ago) Permalink

no cameras anywhere in mallorca either, but hey

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 12:24 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

So I watched the BBC series, and liked it immensely, though it didn't really answer the question I asked above: how does Smiley figure out what Witchcraft really is? We never really see him uncovering any evidence towards that, so I guess we're supposed to think it's an educated guess, but it seems he's taking a huge risk based on that guess, making the Circus leaders + the Minister + anyone else who believed in Witchcraft look like fools.

There's one little detail that bugged me in the TV series: the small oil painting at Smiley's house. When Haydon visits Smiley's home, he comments that the painting wasn't there before, and Smiley says he bought it recently, and Haydon says he likes it a lot. And then in the final episode, when it's all over, there's a scene where Smiley is looking at the painting pensively. It seems to me the painting was some kind of signifier for the Smiley/Haydon/Ann triangle drama, but was the more than that to it? I couldn't quite see what the painting depicted (some kind of a pastoral scene?), is it a well-known image or something?

Tuomas, Monday, 18 April 2016 07:22 (one year ago) Permalink

It was a painting of witchcraft being a setup

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Monday, 18 April 2016 07:50 (one year ago) Permalink

Lol!

Tuomas, Monday, 18 April 2016 08:50 (one year ago) Permalink

did haydon paint the painting

conrad, Monday, 18 April 2016 09:19 (one year ago) Permalink

I think in the book it's a group of pottery figures representing a love triangle?

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 April 2016 09:39 (one year ago) Permalink

the painting is a Corot iirc but there's nothing more specific than that - its only signification is that it's expensive as a gift from Anne?

The point where Smiley is able to link Witchcraft and the rotten apple is only dramatically explicit in the book (it's a great moment of realisation, the bit where everything unfolds for Smiley), implicit in the TV and missed entirely in the film i think. it's the thing that bothers me most with the adaptations, because it's critical how Smiley gets there: detection through paperwork. I can't remember the details of the book reasoning.

Fizzles, Monday, 18 April 2016 11:53 (one year ago) Permalink

I see that someone asked this same question on the IMDb forum for the series, and here's how someone else answered it:

The business with Tarr and Merlin is complicated, and it’s easy to miss its significance.

• After Tarr flees Lisbon and hides out in Marseilles, Karla is desperate to shut him up. After using Witchcraft to discredit him at the Circus, Karla sends people to look for Tarr.

• Tarr, realizing that he’s being looked for, decides it’s time to come in from the cold. In order to protect his daughter and his daughter’s mother, he sets up a diversion: He secures travel bookings to London for them in the name of “Poole,” to match his own false identity, which he knows is blown. He then gives them the false Swiss papers that he had on him when he went to Lisbon and sends them to an entirely different destination. At this point, the only people in the world who associate the “Poole” travel bookings with Tarr are the Russians.

• In Guillam’s meeting with Alleline et al, he learns that Merlin is relating the “Poole/Tarr family to London” story to the Circus as a way of further discrediting him before he gets to anyone at the Circus. This draws a direct line between Merlin and Karla.

The rest of it is a result of Smiley’s reading of the history of Witchcraft, and his realization from that of how Witchcraft serves the needs of Moscow Centre. While this is the subject of an entire chapter of the novel, the whole thing is explained in a single brief scene in the TV series, and not at all in the recent film. It’s not really surprising that it wasn’t really clear.

The person wrote this is correct that it's not very clear in the series, and not explained at all in the movie. There's no scene where Smiley would connect all these dots, so his claim that Witchcraft is linked to the mole seems to come out of nowhere.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 April 2016 12:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Do we have a thread on Night Manager?

They did a good job on it, despite/because/whatever studding it with big star actors and glamming it up

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 April 2016 21:14 (one year ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

still no thread afaik but I'm watching it now on AMC and enjoying it

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 May 2016 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

(The Night Manager, that is)

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 May 2016 14:31 (one year ago) Permalink

good menswear

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 16 May 2016 16:43 (one year ago) Permalink

pvmic

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:40 (one year ago) Permalink

although the scene in the most recently aired episode had hiddleston's character being sized up by a tailor and the dimensions read off made me think, damn that is one fit dude

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I think it was like 41" chest, 32" waist

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:42 (one year ago) Permalink

All fine attributes for modelling men's underwear and boat racing season, but not significant qualities in a half decent actor.

calzino, Monday, 16 May 2016 21:07 (one year ago) Permalink

or modelling t-shirts
http://assets.elleuk.com/gallery/23464/tom-hiddleston-elle-feminism-t-shirt__large.jpg

calzino, Monday, 16 May 2016 21:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Guinness & Co rule, Hurt & Co drool

normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Monday, 16 May 2016 23:25 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

pretty sure I've used those shows in much the same way many times

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 June 2016 21:41 (one year ago) Permalink

although I often don't make it into bed before falling asleep

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 June 2016 21:41 (one year ago) Permalink

confession: I didn't finish the blu ray set of the original series. Love the book, the movie is okay-to-good, I didn't feel like the miniseries was leaps and bounds beyond it (aside from having more time to fit material in) and both pale in comparison to the novel.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 2 June 2016 21:47 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

mini series owns so hard

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 July 2016 20:56 (one year ago) Permalink

i liked the night manager alot tho agree w whoever said it was unnecessarily sexed up, especially the scene where they demo the weapons by shooting multiple airplanes out of the sky was very silly

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 July 2016 20:58 (one year ago) Permalink

xp otm otm otm fu "karl malone" morelike karla moron

poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 July 2016 20:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Lol i was so busy linking that i didnt notice it was milo

i dont have a milo/ttss joke

poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 July 2016 20:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Someone start a Night Manager thread plz, it is completely disrespectful to mention that garbage on this thread.

calzino, Thursday, 14 July 2016 21:00 (one year ago) Permalink

its by the same author

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 July 2016 21:26 (one year ago) Permalink

I am not being completely serious, but he is a terrible writer and i didn't notice this thread was about the movie - rather than the two brilliant series.

calzino, Thursday, 14 July 2016 21:31 (one year ago) Permalink

also*

calzino, Thursday, 14 July 2016 21:35 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah night manager was trash

grudging respect for the sun's "tinker taylor snogs a spy"

r|t|c, Friday, 15 July 2016 11:59 (one year ago) Permalink

at least there was some comedy relief added in the ep where TH is developing his drug dealer/tough guy back story or Colman's Yorkshire accent throughout.

calzino, Friday, 15 July 2016 13:30 (one year ago) Permalink

actually her accent isn't funny it is just very bad.

calzino, Friday, 15 July 2016 13:32 (one year ago) Permalink

I liked Night Manager but it was sooo lightweight

mh, Friday, 15 July 2016 14:39 (one year ago) Permalink

no love for house md smh

lag∞n, Friday, 15 July 2016 16:26 (one year ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

I was just listening to a really compelling episode of R4 series Document about Eric Roberts - the MI5 op who uncovered a large network of 5th Column fascists in wartime England. The MI5 fucked him off in the cold war years when he was in Vienna, possibly because of his grammar school background - they probably thought he was a Soviet mole. After which he went into a complete ILXer style huff and followed it up by emigrating to Canada!

calzino, Saturday, 22 April 2017 23:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is that downloadable, sounds just the ticket for my drive today

virginity simple (darraghmac), Sunday, 23 April 2017 07:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure if it's downloadable but link is here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b061qzwt

calzino, Sunday, 23 April 2017 08:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i had to make a gif for this

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-25-2017/W8XGiW.gif

nomar, Thursday, 25 May 2017 00:44 (seven months ago) Permalink

It is perfect.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 May 2017 00:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

Best moment of the series

Moodles, Thursday, 25 May 2017 01:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

😍

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 May 2017 02:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

R.I.P. Ricki Tarr :/

nomar, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:43 (five months ago) Permalink


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