Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (novel, miniseries, and forthcoming film to be directed by Tomas Alfredson)

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the miniseries is pretty amazing. i haven't read the novel. i just saw this bit of news, which is a little old but hopefully still accurate:

Tomas Alfredson signs on for 'Tinker, Tailor'

July 09, 2009 Fresh from the success of highly acclaimed vampire movie "Let The Right One In," award-winning Swedish director Tomas Alfredson has signed on as director on Working Title upcoming project "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy," the company announced Thursday. The new feature film adaptation of John Le Carre's seminal cold war best-seller is being produced by Working Title's co-chairmen Tim Bevan and Eric Fellner, and marks their next collaboration with Academy Award-nominated screenwriter Peter Morgan ("Frost/Nixon," "The Queen") and will be exec-produced by Debra Hayward, Liza Chasin, John Le Carre and Peter Morgan. A 1970s British television series starred Alec Guinness as George Smiley the retired former British intelligence officer called in to track down the double agent within the spy agency.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

this sounds awesome

chillwave dudes get washed out, totally (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 November 2009 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link

been musing on the possible cast. i hope it's a similar set of dope brit character actors surrounding an old-school charismatic star.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah both miniseries (including Smiley's People) are stellar. One of my favorite moments is in SP when Smiley finds the film using 'Moscow rules.'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 November 2009 02:09 (fourteen years ago) link

i downloaded a torrent of the series but there are no subtitles during the lengthy bits where theyre speaking russian

max, Friday, 20 November 2009 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link

ian mcshane for percy? ian mckellen as bill haydon?

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

love the book, love the miniseries. only problem with it is i cant remember who i lent it to.

interesting project, but i cant really imagine anyone doing better than guinness. that was a truly magnificent performance.

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 20 November 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

s1ocki otm

stet, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I have a hard time imagining that this could touch the miniseries, which was pretty much perfect.

Moodles, Friday, 20 November 2009 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i have a hard time imagining that i can't touch my miniseries as someone has borrowed it and i can't remember who :(

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, 20 November 2009 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i hope this isn't a horrible travesty that makes me sad - because the original miniseries was so great.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

alec guinness' performance is on another level in the miniseries, true. i think it's possible to make a good film of this and get everything into 150-160 minutes without rushing through. i have a good feeling about this one though i'm not expecting it to be a definitive take (that's already been accomplished obv.) i assume the choice of alfredson means they won't try to bourne things up too much.

jØrdån (omar little), Friday, 20 November 2009 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Mmmf, something just occurred to me -- are they going to try and make this a period piece or are they going the contemporary route?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 November 2009 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link

This could be interesting but I'd be concerned that the slow, twisty procedural of the book, which worked well on TV, mightn't transfer properly to a 2 hour movie.

Herman G. Neuname is the first European president (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 November 2009 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

the opening scene of the 70s 'tinker tailor', where the spies all sit down and smoke, not saying a word but speaking volumes, is prob my fave bit of telly ever, partly cos i used to work very near cambridge circus, seen in the very first shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyBuUM6BRy0

Ward Fowler, Friday, 20 November 2009 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Absolutely agree. One of my favourite pieces of television ever. I wonder whether the new film will also consist of an awful lot of footage of middle-aged men smoking in dingey rooms.

'virgin' should be 'wizard' (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

odd that they're redoing it, but love love love Alfredson and Morgan.

sean gramophone, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link

they should have done the middle book The Honourable Schoolboy instead, at least that one hasn't been taken yet :/

zappi, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

That one always was a little out of place, though. Don't get me wrong, it's excellent.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I found Honorable Schoolboy to be a little odd and difficult to relate to.

Is it just me or do a disturbing number of his novels end with the protagonist just about to make it to safety when they are suddenly brutally gunned down?

Moodles, Saturday, 21 November 2009 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Hahaha yeah

Herman G. Neuname is the first European president (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2009 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

spoilers?

311 is a joek (s1ocki), Saturday, 21 November 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

wonder how this is gonna work, really

but it'll be good to have gary oldman starring in a non-shit film for a change

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

don't count yr chickens etc

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

the tv show is veeeeerrrryyyy slllooooooowwww but that's part of the charm

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link

michael bay to direct

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

the tv show is so insanely good

so slow and subtle

so awesome

real s1ock (s1ocki), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

the opening scene of the 70s 'tinker tailor', where the spies all sit down and smoke, not saying a word but speaking volumes, is prob my fave bit of telly ever, partly cos i used to work very near cambridge circus, seen in the very first shot:

― Ward Fowler, Friday, November 20, 2009 6:52 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark

otm

not mad on guinness's stuff when he was younger, tbh, but he totally shreds in this

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i was just thinking about watching this again. "smiley's people" is really good too.

the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i remember watching the tv show when i was abt 12 and liked le carré, i wanted to like it but it was too slow for me then

nakhchivan, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

benedict cumberbatch hahaha just fucking cast bill nighy and make it a romantic comedy*

*[placeholder for explanation of how it already is]

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link

wonder if they'll leave in the two female characters

i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

i really love how the tv version kind of starts off on this note of smiley being this totally out-of-the-loop outsider who is "too old for this shit", and then he sits down with the british agents at the estate house to meet with the spy-on-the-run, and he takes off his glasses and puts them back on and gives this dude a look which says in an instant that he's the smartest and toughest dude around and it's like "oh shit."

mark strong just got cast, too. so it's him and oldman, firth, cumberbatch, hinds, ralph fiennes and tom hardy.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Holy shit. It might actually work.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I found Honorable Schoolboy to be a little odd and difficult to relate to.

One big problem with that one was the woman character, who is as badly drawn as all Le Carre women characters (with possible exception of Connie). I do wonder sometimes whether Le Carre has ever met any actual women.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link

But I still totally love TTSS and SP.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link

he takes off his glasses and puts them back on and gives this dude a look which says in an instant that he's the smartest and toughest dude around and it's like "oh shit."

otfm

rmde @ the romo dumplings (history mayne), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Absolutely the best moment of the whole series, I get chills just thinking about it.

Moodles, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link

not sure if this was mentioned but it's apparently retaining the cold war era for the setting.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Thank god for that.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

man i gotta find my dvds of the show so i can watch it again

guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I have a hard time imagining that this could touch the miniseries, which was pretty much perfect.

― Moodles, Friday, November 20, 2009 11:44 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i have a hard time imagining that i can't touch my miniseries as someone has borrowed it and i can't remember who :(

― 311 is a joek (s1ocki), Friday, November 20, 2009 11:57 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark

guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link

it's always in the place where you least expect it, like the amazon marketplace page of your friend or acquaintance.

('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Unwittingly I've only watched the compressed, US six-episode (instead of seven) version of the series. Apparently they've even jumbled the chronology of some scenes around. Anyone seen both?

abcfsk, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

oh shit, that's the version i've seen too (via netflix).

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Basically I'm going to get and watch the original no matter how trivial the differences might be. Every scene could be longer. Feels like I can still taste the words exchanged between Smiley and Prideaux in the car, at the hotel, walking around the moors.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

gonna be great this i can feel it. god knows how they're going to squelch it all down to 2 hours. if they can nail the Ricky Tarr bit they've got the rest i think.

piscesx, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link

tom hardy playing ricky tarr fyi

omar little, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link

super stoked for this... killer cast

Princess TamTam, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:11 (thirteen years ago) link

too capitalism

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:27 (eight months ago) link

the other fundamentally unclear question is whether anne has info on haydon, the nature of some of her conversations with smiley are pretty unclear on exactly what is and isnt being said

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:52 (eight months ago) link

this i definitely agree with (she doesn't really care about all the boys and their spy games)

mark s, Sunday, 1 October 2023 17:58 (eight months ago) link

"is he better at spying than you, georgie boy?" is one of the weirdest moments

george smoothing his chest like a proud donald duck

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 October 2023 18:06 (eight months ago) link

quiet vanity is maybe the one attribute i'd comfortably attribute to Smiley

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 1 October 2023 18:42 (eight months ago) link

Prideaux's stab of "Proud of your memory, aren't you?"

carson dial, Sunday, 1 October 2023 18:48 (eight months ago) link

The TTSS TV people are supposed to be adapting the Fractured Europe books, curious how that will turn out

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 1 October 2023 18:51 (eight months ago) link

The TTSS people are still alive?

Alba, Monday, 2 October 2023 09:55 (eight months ago) link

they still love england

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 2 October 2023 10:08 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

"is he better at spying than you, georgie boy?" is one of the weirdest moments

george smoothing his chest like a proud donald duck


it’s a noticeable moment for sure. it always made sense to me as showing why george and anne are together in the first place. anne finds or found him sexy in an admittedly niche way, appropriate to a certain mood perhaps but intermittently persistent and surprisingly - to everyone, to themselves - profound or meaningful.

Fizzles, Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:52 (seven months ago) link

NV and carson d both otm too.

Fizzles, Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:52 (seven months ago) link

something of the extremely invisible, or maybe inverse, dandy about him.

Fizzles, Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:53 (seven months ago) link

after all beau brummel said* fashion was about fitting in - fashion as code.

*citation needed

Fizzles, Thursday, 2 November 2023 17:54 (seven months ago) link

maybe to a woman who can have anyone from the rogues gallery of confident aristocracy, the guy that reacts by blinking in surprise is the exotic choice

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 November 2023 19:17 (seven months ago) link

i think that’s right. it’s a matter of taste.

Fizzles, Thursday, 2 November 2023 19:31 (seven months ago) link

the was it a ballet dancer is a good example that anne enjoys experiencing different men. different flings. it’s attractive and that JLC allows it to be attractive is to his credit.

Fizzles, Thursday, 2 November 2023 19:33 (seven months ago) link

i say that in response to an interesting article u read recently comparing fleming and le carre and where their lives meet their fiction (wrt to the recent biographical revelations) somewhat in fleming’s favour.

Fizzles, Thursday, 2 November 2023 19:34 (seven months ago) link

i mean i read it. i have no idea if u all read it.

Fizzles, Thursday, 2 November 2023 19:34 (seven months ago) link

i like the idea of u as singular we should make that happen

it was a ballet dancer, they were iirc a sensation for a season

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 November 2023 19:42 (seven months ago) link

I just started Honorable Schoolboy ("the first few chapters are truly execrable") but it's... quite enjoyable? I'm curious what Le Carre going full 1970s airport novel looks like. It's scarily long, though.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 2 November 2023 21:13 (seven months ago) link

its got seriously objectionable aspects and ive recently added another one- the audiobook is read by michael jayston, who does a really brilliant job of TTSS but it soon becomes clear that not having his bbc castmates to imitate (or having a wider range of accents to attempt, perhaps) renders his efforts here absolutely unlistenable

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 November 2023 23:30 (seven months ago) link

I'm going through his books now as audiobooks since I can't sleep at night, and much as I love Le Carre I haven't really liked Micheal Jayston's reading of the Smiley novels. His voice is too constricted, old-sounding and querulous.

I'm now chronologically up to The Little Drummer Girl. I loved that more than any other Le Carre book when I read it in the 80s, it had a romantic aspect that distinguished it, but the prospect of Michael Jayston reading it to me now does not thrill me

The Honorable Schoolboy was the most chaotic Smiley novel in my opinion, it was enjoyable but was really hard to piece all together

Dan S, Friday, 3 November 2023 00:52 (seven months ago) link

You’re all out of your minds. Jayston’s audiobooks are great. (Apart from the American accents)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 November 2023 03:55 (seven months ago) link

not THS- Australian is painful

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 3 November 2023 04:00 (seven months ago) link

Fair. the “Asian” accents in that aren’t great either. Bad audiobook of a bad book.

He can do some non English accents (perfect spy and small town in Germany are full of them).

If you think he’s bad you should listen to the night manager read by David case. Preposterous.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 November 2023 04:16 (seven months ago) link

I think this is my fault, as I read The Secret Pilgrim for the first time this week and enjoyed having a few more stories set during the various Smiley eras…

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/nov/10/john-le-carres-son-to-write-new-george-smiley-novel

carson dial, Friday, 10 November 2023 16:51 (seven months ago) link

george groany

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Friday, 10 November 2023 16:57 (seven months ago) link

Amazon was pushing his Titanium Noir on me in recommendations but ugh

"A virtuosic mashup of Philip K. Dick and Raymond Chandler by way of Marvel—the story of a detective investigating the murder of a Titan, one of society’s most powerful, medically-enhanced elites. • “Cross-genre brilliance from the superbly talented Nick Harkaway.” —William Gibson, New York Times best-selling author of Agency"

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 10 November 2023 17:32 (seven months ago) link

Anyone seen the new morris doc on Apple TV yet?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 10 November 2023 19:55 (seven months ago) link

rip jerry westerby

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 November 2023 01:43 (six months ago) link

four weeks pass...

roddy martindale might be among my most bad and hated characters ever

https://media.tenor.com/kRKSXNGI84sAAAAC/what-have-you-been-doing-alec-guinness.gif

'love to ann!'

mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 05:19 (five months ago) link

https://snappishproductions.com/images/gfy/love-to-ann.gif

carson dial, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 12:07 (five months ago) link

most other characters just give it to her directly

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:04 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

i’ve got the line “Willie Andrewarthur always was the most godawful liar” stuck in my head. Something v earwormy about Nigel Stock’s performance.

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2024 12:40 (four months ago) link

me confusing nigel stock with nigel bruce (both of course played sherlock's watson, albeit several decades apart) totally made me wtf for a moment there lol -- nigel bruce was NOT in tinker tailor soldier spy

mark s, Saturday, 20 January 2024 13:47 (four months ago) link

never read sherlock

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 January 2024 16:48 (four months ago) link

was watching this (again). smiley’s “oh damn! oh damn!” after his meeting with martindale is in the book caused by realising he’s left the volume of grimmelshausen he’s just bought at the club. in the adaptation he has “entrusted it to the postal service” after seeing peter guillam trying to intercept it. makes it a bit of a clumsy or incoherent line, even for alec guinness.

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2024 16:50 (four months ago) link

he’s left it at the club. he didn’t buy it at the club.

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2024 16:50 (four months ago) link

nigel bruce as roddy martindale would have been a thing!

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2024 16:51 (four months ago) link

this is imo unresolved

in the series it seems a very deliberate detail in the change a d in the timing of the change

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 January 2024 16:51 (four months ago) link

ann likes smiley bcz he's secretly 1 x GOTH

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Simplicissimus_Cover_page1669.jpg

mark s, Saturday, 20 January 2024 16:54 (four months ago) link

xpost

the other - obvious - thing is that a) martindale is quite an appealing character and b) that he gets v close with his gossip and surmise to the heart of the problem.

expresses what is said at the end of the book - that everyone in some way *knew* it was haydon. it was just impossible to admit - psychologically or organisationally.

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2024 16:54 (four months ago) link

this is imo unresolved

in the series it seems a very deliberate detail in the change a d in the timing of the change


one is a surfeit of, slightly incoherent or melodramatic, despair, the other is a specific irritation that somehow encompasses everything?

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2024 16:57 (four months ago) link

hard to imagine smiley monologuing (word? sp?) so coherently and stagily alright

but i meant, and still mean, the decision to post the book

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 January 2024 17:15 (four months ago) link

oh yes. i think it’s a decision forced by the dramatisation tbh. too awkward to get it into the club and post club scenes.

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2024 17:23 (four months ago) link

maybe it shorthands smiley seeing gwilm and changing his plans, gives him an object to explicitly speak to someone about that shows this happening

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 January 2024 17:50 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

as i noted in the obit thread, now that Michael Jayston has passed away, all of the main cast of the BBC series is now gone. though we've still got Ann Smiley and Karla.

omar little, Monday, 5 February 2024 19:58 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

isn't this the opening episode of smiley's people https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/21/ex-royal-marine-charged-with-spying-for-china-found-dead-in-park

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:25 (three weeks ago) link

"Moscow rules"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:26 (three weeks ago) link

would had to have been an aging HK activist in exile who had been promising MI6 a big score

default damager (lukas), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:28 (three weeks ago) link


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