ok lets all shit our pants to something new: post 2005 horror film thread

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So without muddying the water with all the decades of classics - what horror movies did it for you (so far) this year? It's almost halloween, and we all need some new stuff rather than watching Suspiria for the fourteenth time, right?

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:32 (ten years ago) link

the fourteenth time high? it really makes a difference

What the hell is hamster love (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:35 (ten years ago) link

well yeah

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:37 (ten years ago) link

My surprise nominee (and none of these are going to be academy greats duh) is The Haunting In Connecticut which will not go down in history or anything, but was a totally capable jump scare flick. I have no idea why they promoted the movie the way that they did, the initial theatrical release campaign made it look like some sort of slow yawn slightly creepy snoozefest, when in fact it is 100% cut from the flash of CREEPY DUDE in the mirror/corner/behind the kid school of filmmaking.

plot holes? well yeah, duh, but who cares

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:42 (ten years ago) link

This is prob a good place for me to fly my challop flag and say that as great as Let the Right One In is, it isn't really a horror film IMO.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:47 (ten years ago) link

i kinda want to see paranormal activity.

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:53 (ten years ago) link

yeah me too! although i fear the possibility that it might be a hype triumph and disappoint.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:55 (ten years ago) link

Drag Me to Hell!

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:55 (ten years ago) link

man, still haven't seen that. or even zombieland (which doesn't sound like horror).

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:56 (ten years ago) link

all i've really seen in 2009 is drag me to hell and zombieland, which isn't really a horror movie either

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:56 (ten years ago) link

xpost

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:57 (ten years ago) link

i just watched drag me to hell last night, and as a old school Raimi fanboy it was a ton of fun (srsly sam it is amazing how much mileage you can get out of the power of people/corpses/demonwhatevers vomiting on other people). Curious to find out how it worked for people that weren't kind of the target audience, esp the classic moments of Raimi complete set up nonsense (the best of which had to be the "well duh why not use these ice skates i was about to pawn on my suspended anvil" idiot lunacy).

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:00 (ten years ago) link

anybody see any of the big remakes (last house on the left, whichever one rob zombie did this year, etc)?

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:05 (ten years ago) link

drag me to hell was so great -- just rewatched but seeing it in the theatre was amazing what with everyone laughing & screaming simultaneously

elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:08 (ten years ago) link

i think the only nasty cut-em-up flicks i like anymore come from france or asia, though the first 'hostel' and the first 'saw' were good. i have a ton of friends who are in the horror film community and they're all pretty cynical about it these days, everyone wants to turn shit pg-13.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:09 (ten years ago) link

no desire to see the halloween remake, but the trailer was fucking terrifying (i've long held that horror movie trailers are usually way scarier than the actual movie, you just get a succession of jumps and creepy images without any context or warning).

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:10 (ten years ago) link

loved drag me... anyone seen paranormal activity yet?

or left bank?

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:12 (ten years ago) link

the french stuff is just brutal, but its been some of my favorite stuff as well, im sure a bunch of the usual whiners are going to lump it into the totally dumb invented "torture porn" genre but it just has such a deep sense of misanthropic malice and self-loathing xpost

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:12 (ten years ago) link

i have a ton of friends who are in the horror film community and they're all pretty cynical about it these days, everyone wants to turn shit pg-13.

― access flap (omar little), Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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^^^ omar's friends

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:13 (ten years ago) link

considering using my mod cheat powers to edit the title to include 2008 because so much great unheralded stuff came out last year

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:13 (ten years ago) link

'inside' was just as rough thematically as it was in terms of gore imo, i.e. it's one of my favorite films of the past few years.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:14 (ten years ago) link

id make it the whole decade but i think that the hostel/saw/ring/rob zombie non remake stuff would just take over and we've talked about that a billion times already (i love all three of the originals, and will go to bat for hostel 2 as well)

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:15 (ten years ago) link

me too hostel 2 is so underrated

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:16 (ten years ago) link

really felt roth didn't want to cheap out with an easy sequel on that one

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:17 (ten years ago) link

the saw series has turned into a joke imo

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:17 (ten years ago) link

oh yeah saw 3 was particularly awful

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (ten years ago) link

never seen a saw movie (i am okay w this)

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (ten years ago) link

I didn't really feel Hostel when I watched it - though that might've been because I'd watched Wolf Creek the night before which ten times more brutal and believable. Still haven't seen any of the Saws.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (ten years ago) link

martyrs was the best horror movie I've seen in years. it's french torture porn, and then again, it's not... which is what makes it so great. it totally transcends the genre and I can guarantee you won't guess where it's going.

eden park was pretty good. not the greatest film ever made but a nice patch on the "hunted by locals in the woods" genre.

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:21 (ten years ago) link

Eden Lake you mean? I liked that a lot, some bits haunted me for a few days. Such a dark ending!

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:22 (ten years ago) link

duh, yeah eden lake

there are a lot of recent horror films I wanted to see that I haven't gotten around to. off the top of my head: teeth, the uninvited, embodiment of evil, dead snow... and I guess the haunting in ct now...

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:25 (ten years ago) link

anybody repping for inside in this thread needs to see martyrs stat

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:27 (ten years ago) link

paranormal is not that great. download it and see it at home. more of a living room thing than a theatre experience.

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:33 (ten years ago) link

I wanna see nightmare, too. it's an older film that just got released on DVD, kind of low budget but looks promising.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455983/

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:34 (ten years ago) link

oh hey btw for the french horror heads, if you haven't seen frontier(s), thats pretty essential

Eden Lake is british, right? some great horror coming out of britain in the past few years, esp if you like a bit of comedy mixed with your gore (top recs would be Severance and Shrooms)

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (ten years ago) link

paranormal is not that great. download it and see it at home. more of a living room thing than a theatre experience.

― let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

really? how so? i would think it would be a quintessential movie theater movie!!

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (ten years ago) link

I liked Drag me to Hell. Also liked Jennifer's Body actually. I think a lot of good recent US horror has been genre pastiche/comedy (I'd include Hostel ii).
The French/Asian stuff is nice because it still does well playing the eeriness/bone-gristle straight. I've only seen the first 2 Saws but had to stop because why bother when there's stuff like Martyrs out there.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (ten years ago) link

dead snow is pretty half-assed tbh

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (ten years ago) link

theres a foreign language film that is a great companion piece to Eden Lake that i can't remember the name of right now and it is killing me.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:36 (ten years ago) link

Eden Lake is british, right? some great horror coming out of britain in the past few years, esp if you like a bit of comedy mixed with your gore

Yep, it's British. Not many laughs though.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:37 (ten years ago) link

Just grabbed some new 80s movies to watch. Can anyone vouch for these?

Combat Shock
Demented
Don't Go In The House
Night of the Demon

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:37 (ten years ago) link

oh yeah wait, Ils (or Them) is the Eden Lake parallel. creeeeepy

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:38 (ten years ago) link

haha yeah Eden Lake is def not chock full o' laughs

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (ten years ago) link

really? how so? i would think it would be a quintessential movie theater movie!!

Because...

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...it is pretty much just a Blair Witch clone and more fun than scary. For me, the experience was ruining by a theatre of 500 groaning teens.
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let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (ten years ago) link

*ruined

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (ten years ago) link

combat shock is fucked up. also pretty interesting and pretty good.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:42 (ten years ago) link

thread title edit for the purposes of why not

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:43 (ten years ago) link

In light of the new title I will mention Wolf Creek again.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:45 (ten years ago) link

dead snow is pretty half-assed tbh

yeah it looks totally cheeseball but I'm a huge shock waves fan so...

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:46 (ten years ago) link

speaking of which, the aussies have def had a horror boom this decade as well xpost

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:47 (ten years ago) link

xpost definitely no humor to be found here, that's for sure

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 May 2020 23:58 (three months ago) link

my personal concerns with Platform on Netflix have less to do with the sociological intentions or hazy (if nicely executed) sci-fi concepts and more to do with the execution. As a whole, it's too heavy on the gore and torture porn if it's not meant to be titillating and too obscure and sprawling if you're looking for a taste of the ol' ultra-violence. A bit too much chocolate in the peanut butter and vice versa for my taste but still well worth a watch.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 3 May 2020 00:43 (three months ago) link

funny that you mention Platform (as yet unseen by me), since it beat out Blood Quantum for the TIFF Midnight Madness award

I ended up just about loving BQ, which came the closest to generating the feel of an actual Romero zombie flick of anything I've seen in a very long time, while also very much doing its own things. a few incredible effects, too

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 3 May 2020 00:55 (three months ago) link

oh yeah i totally fucking loved the lodge. it beats no resemblance to hereditary

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 May 2020 00:38 (three months ago) link

bears*

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 May 2020 00:38 (three months ago) link

for one thing it was very scary

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 May 2020 00:49 (three months ago) link

lmao I did not find one frame of it even properly unsettling beyond some of the kids' praying, but kids praying is an easy shortcut to creepytown for me

imo they are aesthetically super similar and both heavily feature (and exploit, I think in both cases tbh) mental illness as the potential vehicle of untold violences

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 03:53 (three months ago) link

yeah i don't think they're aesthetically similar, hereditary doesn't have a found footage scene from hell! or a dream sequence as powerful and lonely as the dream sequence in the lodge. and they tell different stories about ptsd differently. hereditary is way more about family-inherited unbroken cycle trauma with a satanic cult edge. the lodge is... well, it's hard to talk about the lodge without spoiling it, but it's not about family or demon shit! i would say they both have miniatures as framing devices, and in one the miniatures are an artistic discipline and in the other they're just creepy ass dollhouses

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 May 2020 04:01 (three months ago) link

some of the kids' praying, but kids praying is an easy shortcut to creepytown for me

this isn't even what's scary

the scenes of her wandering/sleepwalking(?) through the cabin's shadows not even sure what reality is real, the recurring scene of her approaching that opaque door... THAT'S scary

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 May 2020 04:10 (three months ago) link

harrumph

The Wild Goose Lake earns a mention on this thread for most gruesome deployment of an umbrella

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 04:27 (three months ago) link

I'm not a fan of the style/tone of this type of video essay but this is pretty fascinating all the same. Hadn't heard of The Evil Within before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXHRdfLnktU

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 11 May 2020 20:01 (two months ago) link

Anyone mention or see "Z" yet? Seems like "The Babadook" redux, at least on paper, but reviews I've seen have been consistent in citing its apparently legit shocks/scares.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 May 2020 20:57 (two months ago) link

In the meantime, I started Blood Quantum, and ... I dunno, so far (25 minutes, maybe) I think it's not great. Digital cameras at least help a lot of low budget movies look good, but the acting and writing are pretty crappy; there's no app or filter that can help that. Inspired setting, though. I suppose I'll go back and finish it this afternoon.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 17:00 (two months ago) link

keep at it, it goes places imo

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 17:09 (two months ago) link

then again I had no problem with the writing/acting so

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 17:12 (two months ago) link

OK, it was rich with metaphor, clever echoes of history and dramatic irony (linked to that history), but it also relied way too much on genre cliches (the zombie hunter with the samurai sword! the pregnant girl!) and dumb action sequences that tried for badassery (yeah, pop in that 8-track before you wheel your car into battle, maaan) but (imo) fell way short. A couple of good gore gags, but also a few too many moments that went for shock or comedy but also fell short of both. Oh, and it was never scary, to such an extent that I just assumed it wasn't going for scary. It was going for dramatic, but said writing/acting didn't sell that well enough for me.

I bet it would have made a great book, or series, or even (yes) comic. Like I said, the setting/material/story is full of ideas begging to be better fleshed out.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:43 (two months ago) link

I never find anything scary so those first few points were more than enough for me. I agree the setting would easily support expansion.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:18 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

"the deeper you dig" sounds interesting: https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-deeper-you-dig-movie-review-2020

na (NA), Thursday, 4 June 2020 16:54 (two months ago) link

oooh neat, Phantasm comparison....

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 17:09 (two months ago) link

I don't remember which of you recommended "Hagazussa," but thanks, it was very good, if very grim. RIYL: The Witch, Ari Aster, erotic goat milking, eating babies, The Sound of Music, black metal album covers ...

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 20:42 (two months ago) link

I know I recommended it and obvs I like all of those things lol

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 20:53 (two months ago) link

i definitely rec'd it last summer or fall, i believe.

also hi, been thinking about this thread recently, so popped in to see what's up.

turns out, not a whole lot!

but, I do want to say that I feel like Rhymes for Young Ghouls, Barnaby's film before Blood Quantum, is actually a better flick, even if it isn't as strictly bound to the horror genre. i'm also looking at the both from someone who teaches and reads a lot of Indigenous lit and Native Studies stuff, though, so Rhymes might just be more complex and rich for interpretation along those lines.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 17:29 (one month ago) link

Has anyone watched Blood Machines?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 June 2020 18:48 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Arrow's releases of old films are still fine but I think their new films have been getting worse, all these weak looking horror comedies.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 6 July 2020 20:27 (one month ago) link

You know what movie hits different in 2020, and also while high? Pontypool

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 11 July 2020 17:05 (four weeks ago) link

I love that movie. His new movie sounds like a mess.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 July 2020 17:20 (four weeks ago) link

Huh, this is where I learn that Pontypool isn't on any streaming service right now, and can only be rented, apparently exclusively, on Apple TV. To the torrentmobile!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 July 2020 17:22 (four weeks ago) link

kind of intrigued by Dreamland cause it unites a lot of the Pontypool people but yeah his recent output is pretty bad. the Hard Core Logo sequel looked like a particularly bad idea. maybe it's for the best if we never get Pontypool Changes Everything

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:23 (four weeks ago) link

Weirdos looked kinda promising tho

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:27 (four weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

Couldn't find the trailer for a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyRkoL45JGk

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 27 July 2020 20:42 (two weeks ago) link

it rules

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 20:45 (two weeks ago) link

Looks kinda eXistenZ-y...

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 July 2020 20:45 (two weeks ago) link

definitely shares some DNA (as you'd guess) but several orders nastier

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 20:54 (two weeks ago) link

I still haven't seen Antiviral, but it's on Hulu so maybe I'll get around to it soon.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 July 2020 21:06 (two weeks ago) link

Watched Color out of Space (2020) last weekend. Really liked it for the most part. Having never read any Lovecraft, was relying on the husband to point out references but also constantly picking up on stuff like the entity changing its environment to the one it came from (one of many Lovecraft things Grant Morrison stole for The Invisibles), so that was good on both counts. You obviously do not need to be a philistine like me to enjoy this film, but it’s not going to matter very much if you are.

Anyway, the body horror in this is fairly gruesome, the kitchen scene really spooked me although it’s relatively mundane - it’s the disconnect as much as the, well, literal disconnection that follows as much as anything. The colour itself infests the landscape til it dominates and smothers. The score is excellent. All very good stuff.

I didn’t really feel they did enough with all the references to Gardner’s father, like either go all the way there or just cut it, I don’t think the film would have suffered without it tbh. The mayor plot seemed unnecessary for the amount of time that was spent on it.

Obviously the best/worst scene was the attic post transformation and the preceding ones were bad enough.

Pretty solid stuff, Nic Cage is fine for the most part (but does The Thing a few points which is always hilarious lol). Joely Richardson also very good.

let them microwave their rice (gyac), Monday, 27 July 2020 21:07 (two weeks ago) link

Antiviral is...ok. It feels like a student film by comparison to the new one xp

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 21:07 (two weeks ago) link

Color Out Of Space has a fantastic Colin Stetson soundtrack as well. Some of the people slagging this excellent movie off only did it because Cage was in it and has become synonymous with garbage!

calzino, Monday, 27 July 2020 21:13 (two weeks ago) link

Idk why anyone would say that after Mandy tbh

let them microwave their rice (gyac), Monday, 27 July 2020 21:16 (two weeks ago) link

an ex-film student on my twitter linked some people slagging it off and was saying wtf is wrong with these people! but that was the impression I got.

calzino, Monday, 27 July 2020 21:23 (two weeks ago) link

I don't think Cage made anything in this movie better, but there are parts of it he definitely made worse, imo.

I asked a while ago if anyone had seen or knew anything about "Z." Any news?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 July 2020 21:30 (two weeks ago) link

not conventional horror but would recommend Bertrand Bonello's Zombi Child. it's not as memorable as Nocturama but is still worth watching and has stuck with me. It has themes of human zombie slavery and witchcraft in 60's Haiti in flashback form and a posh girls school in modern Paris where a descendent of the victim is.

calzino, Monday, 27 July 2020 21:34 (two weeks ago) link

an ex-film student

I see the problem

let them microwave their rice (gyac), Monday, 27 July 2020 21:38 (two weeks ago) link

oh no he's good not bad and was defending Color Out Of Space!

calzino, Monday, 27 July 2020 21:46 (two weeks ago) link

Several new things recently out on streaming and undiscussed on thread:
Impetigore
You Should Have Left
Amulet
Relic
Wretched
The Other Lamb
Gretel & Hansel

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 17:47 (one week ago) link

Well looks like I have some work to do

jjjusten, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 18:28 (one week ago) link

we watched Relic
it was solidly pretty good; idk how long it will stay with me. i found the generational female aging horror a little on the nose. Kind of tired of seeing movies that exploit trichotillomania to express the apparently universally-recognized horror of a bald/balding woman. zzzzzz

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 21:45 (one week ago) link

I'm not going to complain that horror films are in a particularly bad rut because there's been some great ones in the last decade and for overall quality they might be better than ever, I hardly ever see trailers for anything that looks like total shit.

But something about the look and feel of a lot of them is bothering me. Is it color correction? Is it something else about the cinematography? Anyone know anything about the technical stuff able to say? There's some kind of flatness/blandness.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 1 August 2020 21:48 (one week ago) link

If anything I think a lot of newer horror films look almost distractingly sharp thanks to the digital cameras/drones so often enlisted for low budget horror. All these flying overhead shots of forests and whatnot, and gliding fake steadicam stuff, it's almost distractingly ... slick, for lack of a better word. Perhaps a lot of filters and other digital correction going in during post to synthetically class up something they didn't have the budget/equipment/crew/lighting to do during the shoot, too? I dunno.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:09 (one week ago) link

FUUUUUUUUUUCK @ "Impetigore".

that shit was bonkers and intense. exactly what i was looking for. classic supernatural curse film.

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 August 2020 05:36 (one week ago) link


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