What states do you consider to be part of the Midwest?

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Please list the states that you consider to be part of the Midwest.

husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

gosh i never know. like i would be too embarrassed to answer.

what color are my eyes jimmy? (surm), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

haha, dude, i've gotten in so many arguments w/ native missourians about whether or not MO is in the midwest

(i consider it to be)

u madoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

ohio
indiana
michigan
wisconsin
illinois
minnesota
north dakota
south dakota
iowa
kansas
nebraska
missouri

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

kentucky? no. someone told me a few weeks ago she doesn't consider ohio to be part of the midwest. then where is it?

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

native missourians SWEAR that missouri is not part of the midwest

u madoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

well i guess kentucky has to be if IN, IL, and MO are

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

i wasn't going to put MO on my list but it seemed like a hole in the map then

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

If Ohio isn't part of the midwest, then the midwest doesn't exist.

But, yeah, the plains states plus MO plus KY are really debatable

dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

Don't worry Surm, I don't there is any definition that everyone agrees on. This question was prompted by a conversation I had the other day with a co-worker who kept saying that the Midwest ended at Illinois. And went as far east as like West Virginia. This blew my mind because my working definition was something close to what harbl posted (i'd include Arkansas and remove the Dakotas). He categorized Missouri and Kansas as Plains States. I protested that I clearly remember Fox Sports MIDWEST as covering Cardinal games, but it didn't help.

husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:32 (twelve years ago) link

oh yeah you could leave off the plains states no prob. i love maps btw

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:32 (twelve years ago) link

(xpost) MO is a plains state?

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

That's right, I DON'T include the Dakotas. And I'm so confident about Missouri's inclusion that it's not even up for debate. LOCK THREAD

husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

xpost to harbl

Yeah, that's what this jerk said. I mentioned Great Mount Tom Sauk, tallest peak in the country imo, and the Ozarks, but this guy refused to listen

husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

WV is a weird case too, I don't think of it as the midwest, but I'm not really sure what region you could put it in. According to wikipedia it's in the mid-atlantic, which seems wrong.

dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

i don't really want the dakotas to be there but i always think of them as part of the upper midwest with MN and WI

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

i think of WV and KY as appalachian states. is that a category?

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:36 (twelve years ago) link

Appalachia isn't really a category like "midwest" or "new england" becaause, with the exception of wv, only portions of states can be said to be in it e.g. western north carolina

dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:38 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, it's more just how i place them in my brain

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

askance ur map seems OTM to me w/ exception of kentucky. people who say OH isn't midwest are usually from plains states ime (and are totally and completely wrong)

fuck yes MO is midwest

mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:40 (twelve years ago) link

I consider Kentucky as part of the South.

sarahel, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

yea me too

mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

side question:

what are the plains states?

husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

(we will keep going in this manner until we get to island states)

husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

the plains states are ND, SD, NE, and KS. what's OK though?

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

def plains

mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

those are the quintessential plains states imo, even tho the plains overlap onto other midwest & western states

mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:44 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that's why it's hard to categorize like that, same as using appalachian like i do. they should have a different name like "the middle"

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

like you could include montana and wyoming and colorado but i don't want to. those are "rocky mountain states"

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

btw i'd just like to add that st louis is fucking rad, one of my fav cities for sure

mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:47 (twelve years ago) link

saskatchewan and alberta are canada states

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:47 (twelve years ago) link

Kentucky is like another country compared to the Midwest. And I say this as a fan.

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

cross-examination

harbl,

you listed the ND and SD as part of the Midwest. Minutes later, you stated that the plains states are ND, SD...

Is there overlap between the Midwest and the Plains states? or are you LYING?!?!

husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

yes

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:49 (twelve years ago) link

ohio
indiana
michigan
wisconsin
illinois
minnesota
iowa
missouri

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:49 (twelve years ago) link

the great plains are a helpful contributor to everything between chicago and the west coast being pretty boring imo.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

newshour claims those as plains states, btw

husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

that drive is just....damn.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

no i think "the midwest" you hear about in the news as a broad general category includes the plains states xposst

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

parts of KY are distinctively southern but then you have to realize that Cincinatti is less than a 90 minute drive from either Louisville or Lexington....

I think the same dual-identity could be applied to Missouri. KC vs. STL vs Springfield... all radically different cities and culture.

♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

every non-coastal state that is not part of the South or Southwest

ohio
indiana
illinois
missouri
kansas
nebraska
wisconsin
michigan
minnesota
wyoming
iowa
colorado
n dakota
s dakota
idaho
montana

sarahel, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

yeah ohio has like 4 different types of states within it too

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

yea midwest encompasses the plains states. u can be a midwestern state but not a plains state, but all plains states are midwest (i'm not counting western states that have plains as 'plains states' tho)

mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:53 (twelve years ago) link

great lakes is a region too - minnesota, wisconsin, illinois, indiana, michigan, ohio, PA, western NY

mark cl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:55 (twelve years ago) link

sarahel you cannot be serious with that

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:55 (twelve years ago) link

wherever R. Kelly and Nelly be at

Obamacare Death Panel for Cutie (wssp), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

i've heard buffalo lumped in as a midwestern city which is totally ??? except for the accent.

harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

I feel like once you’re north of the twin cities a ways, Minnesota becomes something else. If you can see a moose, you’re not really in the midwest anymore maybe

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 30 August 2019 23:16 (two years ago) link

eastern Nebraska definitely midwest, once you get past the Omaha/Lincoln corridor it turns into a plains state eventually

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 30 August 2019 23:17 (two years ago) link

^ watch carefully as this deceptively mild-mannered hawkeye attempts to lock down a spurious authority to exclude his bemidjian compatriots from the promised land

j., Friday, 30 August 2019 23:32 (two years ago) link

i'm not saying it's not part of the midwest, at all, but my understanding of the upper peninsula is that it might actually be part of another world

mookieproof, Friday, 30 August 2019 23:34 (two years ago) link

I would throw Oklahoma into the midwest and maybe North Texas. They both have more in common with that than the south or southwest.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 30 August 2019 23:40 (two years ago) link

no big 10, no credibility

mookieproof, Friday, 30 August 2019 23:54 (two years ago) link

People, plains states are not the Midwest, they are a whole other thing.

Also, just because some cross border inbredness occurs in areas like Southern Illinois-Southern Indiana-Western Kentucky (or Southern OH/Northern KY) doesn't mean Western Kentucky is the Midwest, anymore than the fact that Eastern Kentucky is Appalachia transforms Indiana into Appalachia by virtue of their shared border.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 31 August 2019 00:56 (two years ago) link

I feel like a 250 mile radius surrounding the sears tower is the midwest.

ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:05 (two years ago) link

Or maybe it is an ellipse with foci at the longitude of chicago and east chicago

ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:07 (two years ago) link

*longitudes

ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:07 (two years ago) link

thank you for not suggesting a radius around touchdown jesus

mookieproof, Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:12 (two years ago) link

I grew up in the upper peninsula and it is definitely the Midwest but also indeed another world; northern Wisconsin and Minnesota are kind of in this realm too but the UP feels much more like Alaska or Canada in a lot of ways due to the isolation from the bulk of the states population. That map seems right to me with “Great Lakes” and “rust belt” and “great plains” being three distinct sub-regions.

The thing about eastern vs western Dakotas feels true to me also - I drove from MI to WA a lot and somewhere in the western third of the state it became “the west”.

Also looking at that made me realize I always think of KS, NE, IL, and IA as the Midwest but never Missouri for some arbitrary reason. I’ve never been to Missouri though.

joygoat, Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:15 (two years ago) link

Like Western NY has more in common with Northern OH than NYC, but now we are going to say that NY is in the Midwest? No.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:27 (two years ago) link

joygoat, this whole general thang has a lot to do with it i think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise

j., Saturday, 31 August 2019 02:46 (two years ago) link

grew up in western NY state which I thought of even as a kid as part of the midwest

Dan S, Saturday, 31 August 2019 02:50 (two years ago) link

i don't want to discount your lived experience out of hand, but also you are a literal madman

great lakes, yes. rust belt, yes. some shit about the erie canal, yes. midwest tho? c'mon

mookieproof, Saturday, 31 August 2019 03:05 (two years ago) link

how many pronunciations of 'bagel' and 'Mario' can one midwest hold?

ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 August 2019 03:15 (two years ago) link

one

j., Saturday, 31 August 2019 03:16 (two years ago) link

Also looking at that made me realize I always think of KS, NE, IL, and IA as the Midwest but never Missouri for some arbitrary reason. I’ve never been to Missouri though.

in many ways, literal and psychedelic, but also anti-psychedelic, missouri is the combination of all those states

i am also larry mullen jr (Karl Malone), Saturday, 31 August 2019 03:39 (two years ago) link

thank you for not suggesting a radius around touchdown jesus

― mookieproof

and thank you for mentioning touchdown jesus.

i am also larry mullen jr (Karl Malone), Saturday, 31 August 2019 03:40 (two years ago) link

For some reason I think of Missouri more as “the south” than any of the places that surround it on three sides. Or at least more south than north and nothing that is the south can be the Midwest.

joygoat, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:03 (two years ago) link

Missouri is Midwestern, but not 100% Midwest.

You can't ever have owned slaves or started a catfish farm in the Midwest. They just had a machine-gun shooting governor resign over a weird S&M episode – that ain't the Midwest I know!

pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:10 (two years ago) link

But they do call Coke "Pop," so that kinda tips it back to Midwest.

pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:11 (two years ago) link

Sorry I wasn't here originally, but my son was born the day before this thread was started.

pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:12 (two years ago) link

They just had a machine-gun shooting governor resign over a weird S&M episode

too true -- that's more of a razorbacks ball coach thing

mookieproof, Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:21 (two years ago) link

S&M governor seems like an incredibly midwestern thing to me - is it just that it went public and he resigned instead of just having a sex dungeon until he died?

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:47 (two years ago) link

Like it's on brand for Texas to have a governor talk about secession but if one resigned because of that, shit would be weird.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 31 August 2019 04:48 (two years ago) link

Dallas feels like the midwest

ilxors are still exuberant (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 August 2019 06:18 (two years ago) link

I lived in east central kansass for a number of years and I don’t think it is midwest. It definitely sucks though!

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 31 August 2019 08:06 (two years ago) link

Maybe it is a Midwestern thing to resign over that. It'd be a southern governor who' d go, yeah I tied her up, took her picture and wore blackface throughout the whole thing. What you gonna do about it?

pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 11:15 (two years ago) link

Every month, we publish this regular report from Creighton University, and every month, my editor and I just look at each other and go, Welp...

https://i.imgur.com/J4aeRxi.png

pplains, Saturday, 31 August 2019 13:03 (two years ago) link

You can't ever have owned slaves or started a catfish farm in the Midwest. They just had a machine-gun shooting governor resign over a weird S&M episode – that ain't the Midwest I know!

― pplains

excuse me are you familiar with the political career of ex-cincinnati mayor jerry springer

also, sorry about your slower economic growth

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Saturday, 31 August 2019 14:32 (two years ago) link

Every month, we publish this regular report from Creighton University, and every month, my editor and I just look at each other and go, Welp...

― pplains, Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:03 AM (three hours ago)

I guess ND, SD, NE, KS, and OK are the pplains states.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 31 August 2019 16:07 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/Ekxncoy.png

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:01 (two years ago) link

Cool map, but I think using the label "Cultural Areas" shows a misunderstanding of what is required to make a distinct culture.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:08 (two years ago) link

not quite sure how to break it up, but i don't think you can put new england all in one

also aimless otm

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:23 (two years ago) link

"Resides within Cultural Area #27" is pretty much all that a Las Vegas casino owner, a west Texas oil rig mechanic, a Scottsdale tax attorney, a Navajo sheep rancher, a Santa Fe pottery thrower, and a Yuma lettuce farmer have in common culturally except for the fact that they all smoke hella weed.

the burrito that defined a generation, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:35 (two years ago) link

Deep South too big. You need some sort of Delta region in there too.

I get that this is a "Cultural" map, but c'mon. Sallisaw, Oklahoma, ain't the Deep South.

pplains, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:58 (two years ago) link

listen everybody, i did the best i could on this map

i'm open to feedback but let's keep it constructive

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 21:00 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

after 2 years, the washington post study we commissioned is finally done! here are the results:

https://i.imgur.com/tht9XVl.png

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/07/29/airbnb-the-most-midwestern-things/

additionally, the team at the post was able to come up with the definitive list, so there should be no need for any more disagreement on this subject until new states are added or subtracted to the united states

Note: The 12 Midwestern states are Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio and South Dakota

Finally, all of these states have been ranked by midwesterness. sorry South Dakota, you have been relegated, and Ohio you are *this* close to getting the boot:

https://i.imgur.com/6h0NjG3.png

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 15:22 (two weeks ago) link

that's right

mh, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 16:11 (two weeks ago) link

I question the methodology of that last list. Notice that it’s the states with bigger cities that place nearer the bottom of the list. Maybe if you’re listing an Airbnb in a place like Detroit or Chicago or Cleveland you don’t have to add the descriptor “Midwest” bc everyone knows what those places are like. Also the Midwesternness of those areas is not in question, whereas a more borderline case like some town in Iowa, which is not obviously Midwestern, would call for “Midwest” in the listing to sort of suggest to renters what they’re getting into.

Josefa, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

You'll never convince me that Iowa's Midwestern status is a "borderline case."

https://i.imgur.com/FKkonnE.png

pplains, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:22 (two weeks ago) link

xp I would make the same case, Josefa. Nobody in even southern Minnesota is going to post about Midwestern ambience, it'll be about lakes, fishing, or proximity to Minneapolis. And the vast majority in Illinois are in Chicago and they'd mention local amenities

also Iowa is insanely midwestern, what are you talking about

I've previously mentioned my corn index for Midwesterness (you can argue historical standards and the midwesterness of the rust belt as alternatives) but imo the more corn planted, the more midwestern. So you get Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, eastern Nebraska, etc etc

not-xp: corn sweat is real, 38% humidity today and 100 degrees outside

mh, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 02:56 (one week ago) link

Pretty sure these points are made in the article itself iirc

jaymc, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 04:18 (one week ago) link

38% humidity today

OH POOR YOU.

pplains, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:17 (one week ago) link

In my state, the humidity is so high that the air smells like corn sweat ... and we don't have any corn.

pplains, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:18 (one week ago) link

More like soybean sweat.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:49 (one week ago) link

the humidity wasn't terrible, the 100 degrees on top of it was a bit more irritating

mh, Wednesday, 3 August 2022 13:52 (one week ago) link


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