I can't imagine jason reitman going for Annie Hall/Reds either. (These "witnesses" reminded me of a TV ad or some crap corporate promo/propaganda piece.) btw JR, Armond hates Michael Mann too.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:47 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i can. it's so obviously where the idea came from.
― who sharted?! (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
first of all, in Annie Hall what is the equivalent? In Reds, mostly well-known writers/public intellectuals recounting events of 60 years earlier not quite the same either.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
i get the ref to 'time out' but cantet hasn't used inserts of irl people iirc
― Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link
no morbs you're right, annie hall is prob pushing it. but reds i think for sure. and i think i just realized what the real influence is... WHEN HARRY MET SALLY
― who sharted?! (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
he misses the point of 'the insider' + lol at moral ambivalence for idiots.
― Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah he sounds dumb
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
interview reads better if you add ", man" to the end of all his sentences
― max, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
these firing montages provided the most consistent laughs in my theater.
Hate to give Reitman a break here, but I think this can be chalked up to a large minority of moviegoers being assholes.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link
(didnt put "majority" bcz it's Christmas)
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't get how that interview is supposed to prove Reitman dumb (or Armond not-dumb) besides his disinterest in the content of The Insider, which I think is a valid point (not to touch on Mann's style, which, if I recall, is 90% of why that movie is at all memorable.)
― Simon H., Wednesday, 30 December 2009 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
the claim that the fact that his movies play it both ways ideologically is a virtue is what makes him sound dumb there to me. i guess that was bitchy of me. i've only seen juno, and i liked that movie but i think it's gross that he's being coy about pro-choice/pro-life. i guess this is morbs of me but the previews for up in the air make it seem worthless.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link
But Diablo Cody wrote Juno. Isn't this the first of his films where he has primary script credit? (also it seems agreed there's very little of the source novel left in the film)
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I can't think of a more rudimentary, uninteresting examination of duality w.r.t political issues than Thank You for Smoking.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
The tobacco industry is pretty fucked up and villainous imo.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I know that's a bold claim but goshdarnit it's how I feel!
also his complaint abt the insider is stupid because smoking is bad for you, and what the tobacco companies did was wrong, like idk how he thinks mann couldve shoehorned in some phony ambivalence into that movie to make it less "boring" w/o making a completely different (and more retarded) movie
lol xpost
― AAAAAAH YAH ITS FUSION (Lamp), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
― Simon H., Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:33 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the implicit argument that his movies are much more interesting and nuanced than the "boring" insider—a movie that his pedestrian garbage will never, ever come closing to TOUCHING—is what makes that quote noteworthy
― who sharted?! (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah if you're jason reitman maybe don't so much disparage michael mann
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think me meant to disparage Michael Mann.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link
*he
More to the point, while I think a lot of his remarks here and elsewhere are sometimes dubious, he's hardly the only director w/ foot in mouth syndrome. I can only account for the movie, really, which I liked.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link
i can only account for the movie which i thought sucked a big bag of donkey balls
― who sharted?! (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link
also he has no idea what hes talking about
― max, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
"my film was polarizing--thats why both pro-choicers and pro-lifers agreed with it"
― max, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
like what did his film polarize in those situations
he makes it sound like everyone liked it
Haha!
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link
"My films are polarizing. I don’t want to tell my audience what to think. Twins -- Austrian bodybuilders thought it was theirs and Italian midgets thought it was theirs. And quirky fringe scientists thought Ghostbusters was theirs and phantasms and ectoplasmic goo thought it was theirs. Legal Eagles has a similar divide, depending on what people think the whole plot of the movie means. I would be curious to hear what Armond thinks of Raiders of the Lost Ark, a film that goes [slams down fist]: “Booby traps bad! Nazi people bad!” And for me that’s so boring. But, look, for some that’s the experience they want and those movies exist for them. I want people to talk.” - Ivan Reitman
― leave garbage snickers eat snickers leave garbage (jeff), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
bravo
― things that make you go (hmmmm), Thursday, 31 December 2009 05:32 (fourteen years ago) link
kudos, sir
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 31 December 2009 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
(also it seems agreed there's very little of the source novel left in the film)
Haven't read the source novel, but after reading this I'm glad most of it was left in the can.
Didn't really care for this movie at all and much like Thank You For Smoking it got lost in it's own attempt to Make A Statement. At least Charles Atlas made some scratch.
Note to Hollywood: we do want movies of "sexy, satirical amorality with Vera Farmiga" not the promise of one.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link
we do want movies of "sexy, satirical amorality with Vera Farmiga" not the promise of one.
AMEN!
― Clerk all KNOWIN (B.L.A.M.), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link
This fucking movie.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link
I would be curious to hear what Armond thinks of The Insider, a film that goes [slams down fist]: “Smoking bad! Tobacco people bad!” And for me that’s so boring. But, look, for some that’s the experience they want and those movies exist for them. I want people to talk.
i don't think he ever saw 'the insider'
― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link
The only good thing about "Thank You Your Snoking" was Aaron Eckhart is a pretty good-looking guy.
― girl moves (Abbott), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Thank You Your Snoking
I'm awesome.
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― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link
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― dragon movies (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
just begging to have a red No line thru it really
Suggesting "The Insider" is about the tobacco industry is like saying "Up in the Air" is about airplanes.
This movie is totally superficial. Enjoyable so, but still - pretty shallow. Like, the chipmunk acolyte? Her arc feels sort of abruptly incomplete. The way it was set up, she needed to fire Clooney, which would have totally set him adrift and then justified his surprisingly effusive letter of recommendation he pens for her. Like, he loses his job and gains freedom. She gets a raise and loses her soul. Something like that.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
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"You snotty bastard."
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link
― girl moves (Abbott), Monday, January 4, 2010 8:32 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
real-life lolz
― meryl streep post-brazilian (s1ocki), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 04:50 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously
much-needed tbh
― meryl streep post-brazilian (s1ocki), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 04:51 (fourteen years ago) link
People like the way I write women
― Shannon Whirry and the Bad Brains, Monday, 18 January 2010 12:12 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh
― mind crystals over matter (rrrobyn), Monday, 18 January 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link
(did not watch GGs (not into pain) but will ugh in bold AND caps if he wins writing Oscar, lol)
― mind crystals over matter (rrrobyn), Monday, 18 January 2010 13:45 (fourteen years ago) link
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2010/01/james-cameron-jason-reitman-anthony-minghella-avatar.html
― fleetwood (s1ocki), Monday, 18 January 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link