defend the indefensible: sylvia plath

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godmother of bloggers everywhere and one of the most hideously bloated egos to ever exist. hi, honey, no one cares!

Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, 22 August 2009 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link

You're using that oven the wrong way, love.

King Boy on Parole (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 22 August 2009 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I just bought and read "Ariel" last year and thought it was great.

I've always loved "Cut":

What a thrill ----
My thumb instead of an onion.
The top quite gone
Except for a sort of hinge

Of skin,
A flap like a hat,
Dead white.
Then that red plush.

Little pilgrim,
The Indian's axed your scalp.
Your turkey wattle
Carpet rolls

Straight from the heart.
I step on it,
Clutching my bottle
Of pink fizz. A celebration, this is.
Out of a gap
A million soldiers run,
Redcoats, every one.

Whose side are they one?
O my
Homunculus, I am ill.
I have taken a pill to kill

The thin
Papery feeling.
Saboteur,
Kamikaze man ----

The stain on your
Gauze Ku Klux Klan
Babushka
Darkens and tarnishes and when
The balled
Pulp of your heart
Confronts its small
Mill of silence

How you jump ----
Trepanned veteran,
Dirty girl,
Thumb stump.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

not indefensible at all

The horizons ring me like faggots,
Tilted and disparate, and always unstable.
Touched by a match, they might warm me,
And their fine lines singe
The air to orange
Before the distances they pin evaporate,
Weighting the pale sky with a soldier color.
But they only dissolve and dissolve
Like a series of promises, as I step forward.

There is no life higher than the grasstops
Or the hearts of sheep, and the wind
Pours by like destiny, bending
Everything in one direction.
I can feel it trying
To funnel my heat away.
If I pay the roots of the heather
Too close attention, they will invite me
To whiten my bones among them.

The sheep know where they are,
Browsing in their dirty wool-clouds,
Gray as the weather.
The black slots of their pupils take me in.
It is like being mailed into space,
A thin, silly message.
They stand about in grandmotherly disguise,
All wig curls and yellow teeth
And hard, marbly baas.

I come to wheel ruts, and water
Limpid as the solitudes
That flee through my fingers.
Hollow doorsteps go from grass to grass;
Lintel and sill have unhinged themselves.
Of people and the air only
Remembers a few odd syllables.
It rehearses them moaningly:
Black stone, black stone.

The sky leans on me, me, the one upright
Among all horizontals.
The grass is beating its head distractedly.
It is too delicate
For a life in such company;
Darkness terrifies it.
Now, in valleys narrow
And black as purses, the house lights
Gleam like small change.

cozwn, Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

What a thrill ----
My thumb instead of an onion.
The top quite gone
Except for a sort of hinge

Of skin,
A flap like a hat,
Dead white.
Then that red plush.

what, i'm supposed to be impressed? fuck her. if she were alive today she'd do vlogs about her panties.

Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link

In the hands of any lesser poet it would be truly indefensible but she pulls it off.

the kid is crying because did sharks died? (Hurting 2), Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Can't stand "Daddy" though.

the kid is crying because did sharks died? (Hurting 2), Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link

As far as arguing the point, I'm having that "why bother?" feeling right about . . . now.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Thread of challops.

Dom J. Palladino (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Do you know, the first two lines of "Cut" might be the bit of poetry that repeats most often in my head.

Dom J. Palladino (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link

As far as arguing the point, I'm having that "why bother?" feeling right about . . . now.
― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cozwn, Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

her poetry's enough argument itself tho, if u don't appreciate it whatevs

cozwn, Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

read "Johnny Panic and the Bible of Dreams" recently and was quite impressed. early stories were overwritten but the later ones were very good. wish she'd written more fiction.

zappi, Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

wait, did you seriously just "suggest ban" me?

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

lol did he sb me too?

cozwn, Saturday, 22 August 2009 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link

It was a sincere question. I've never SBed anyone and I guess I've just foolishly assumed that no one has ever SBed me. How do you find out what your score is, anyway?

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I checked, no-one appears to have suggest banned anyone as a result of this thread. Well, not yet anyway.

\/*|_*/-\*|) (Pashmina), Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Cheers.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Daddy is horrendous but she's pretty ok.

123456789 (jim), Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link

UH @ this thread

horseshoe, Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link

We read a really cool short story of hers about Batman or something in high school as well.

123456789 (jim), Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Her poetry's quite good (as far as I can tell, I don't really do poetry). The Bell Jar is dull dull dull.

chap, Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

sb'd u jim

cozwn, Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link

can't hate her because of her followers or college freshman, her poetry, arial in particular, is utterly fantastic.

akm, Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

otm

horseshoe, Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link

i love her new website "goop"

fleetwood (max), Saturday, 22 August 2009 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

plath wrath

velko, Saturday, 22 August 2009 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I think if this was called "defend the indefensible: sylvia plath fans" I would get the bile/hatred/dismissive stuff- it just seems like if you don't believe that people are responsible for their fans then you can't get off the ground with hating Syliva Plath on that score. If the charge is "bad poetry" it seems like there are far worse poets. If the point is that Plath's final decision is part of her life and thus that she is "responsible for" all the outcomes that trail from that final decision including both the personal pain and damage done to her family and the corny goth/emo cult of her suicidal authenticity, then we're having a "Suicide is indefensible" conversation and not a "her poetry is bad" conversation.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I rise with my red hair
and I eat men like air

indisputably classic surely?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 22 August 2009 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link

her poetry drips with ego and smug self-satisfaction. i read her work and think, no one cares about you or your family or your suicide fetishism. just shut up and fuck off.

Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, 22 August 2009 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Was she actually an American-desperate-to-British, or do I just think that because of Gwyneth Paltrow?

ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Saturday, 22 August 2009 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean, fuck: "If I pay the roots of the heather /Too close attention, they will invite me /To whiten my bones among them." she can't even write about landscape without it coming back to ME ME ME. get the fuck OVER yourself, lady.

Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

her poetry drips with ego and smug self-satisfaction. i read her work and think, no one cares about you or your family or your suicide fetishism. just shut up and fuck off.

― Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

with less force and personal investment, I must say your posts have the same effect on me.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe i should blog about it

Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link

bug, who are your favourite poets just out of interest

cozwn, Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link

"If I pay the roots of the heather /Too close attention, they will invite me /To whiten my bones among them." she can't even write about landscape without it coming back to ME ME ME.

don't read this as being about her at all, much more about the lure.

bnw, Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link

i like george oppen, mark doty, russell edson, erin belieu, michael s harper, robert creeley, li-young lee... i'm more into fiction, though.

Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.bugoutwf.com/images/truck-bug-out.jpg

velko, Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link

<3 russell edson

bnw, Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link

her poetry drips with ego and smug self-satisfaction. i read her work and think, no one cares about you or your family or your suicide fetishism. just shut up and fuck off.

― Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

why the fuck are u reading her poetry if u dont care abt her family bro

fleetwood (max), Saturday, 22 August 2009 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean, fuck: "If I pay the roots of the heather /Too close attention, they will invite me /To whiten my bones among them." she can't even write about landscape without it coming back to ME ME ME. get the fuck OVER yourself, lady.

― Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:01 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my dude what is the second word in that quote--this isnt a set of lines about landscapes

fleetwood (max), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

lol @ me for taking this seriously tho

fleetwood (max), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

lol save-a-plaths

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link

lol at expecting lyric poetry not to be about the speaker

horseshoe, Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

get the fuck OVER yourself, lady.

Of course she's got an ego and was self-obsessed: she suffered from depression. Anyone suffering from a depression only thinks about him/herself. One could argue that if Bug hatehatehates Sylvia Plath's socalled bloated ego,Bug (he? she?) should just stop reading it. That's a fair point, but I still disagree. What you should do, Bug, is argue why we're silly for loving her egotistic writings. But in a more... coherent and intelligent way.

Anyway, I never read her poetry, but count TheBellJar as one of my favourite books. Mostly because I read it at the right (or probably wrong) moment: I was suffering from a depression. But then I lack the right words. She didn't. My best friend of course hated it because 1 it was written by a woman and 2 the woman was also depressed. I wanted to throw the same words at her: if you hate it, convince me why I should stop loving it. But as of now I have yet to stop liking her book.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

She also had an ego because she knew very well that she had talent.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

this thread makes me wonder what bug thinks of teenage/young adult goth girls ... sylvia plath is definitely part of the teenage goth girl canon.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i've read her stuff because i was an english major and have read my share of poetry anthologies and been subjected to recitations of "daddy" and "lady lazarus." it's one thing that she was an egotistical asshole, but it's another for other people to validate her egotism and say she was correct in thinking so highly of herself.

lol at expecting lyric poetry not to be about the speaker

― horseshoe, Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:29 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

plenty of poetry is about the person speaking/writing it, sure, but plath, to me, is about nothing but plath. it irritates me that i'm expected to care about this person.

Yeah, well, jazz isn't exactly in love with Johnny either. (bug), Sunday, 23 August 2009 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't know, she says a lot of retarded things like "zoo of the new" and "flap like a hat" that bothers me

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Sunday, 23 August 2009 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link

my dude what is the second word in that quote--this isnt a set of lines about landscapes
― fleetwood (max), Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is about landscape tho

cozwn, Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link

most of my problems with contemporary best-selling poets are that i find their work so facile, obvious, and sentimental that i can't help but consider them pulp/pap. i think that one must also take into consideration the fact that most poets who pooh-pooh their more popular/successful contemporaries are not simply jealous, but upset that the mass-market book industry (and tbh, if you're mark doty or billy collins, you're mass-market, sorry) completely passes over more original, interesting and innovative work for what will sell. it's an old problem in many creative fields, of course, but one that is made much more stark in these seemingly anti-poetry times.

the only mass-market poet worth anything nowadays, imho, is Jorie Graham.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

barely related: after being denied his usual 3 stories before bedtime as a punishment, my 2 year old nephew asked "not even a poem?" <3 <3 <3

bnw, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean, do you know who the best-selling poets of our times are? Mattie J Stepanek (that sickly child who writes poems about heaven), Billy Collins, and Mary Oliver. while a child can be forgiven for crimes against all that is good in poetry, the latter two are totally indefensible, imo.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

(that is awesome, bnw)

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Jorie Graham's verse consists _________ of _______ lots of -------- blanks.

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I do own and enjoy The End of Beauty.

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

if you're one of those people who aren't into the play of white space on the page, alfred, i don't think we can be friends.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

her book "Swarm" is my favorite, highly recommended to all.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

those berryman poems are awesome--i've never looked at him

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

In shorter form, why can't we enjoy and engage with something on its own terms, and leave it at that?

― Lostandfound, Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

ppl best understand things in their relations to other things; when the tyranny of coincidence has a wife w/a tragic story marry a feted poet, it's hard to resist engaging tht way but I get yr point

cozwn, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

if you're one of those people who aren't into the play of white space on the page, alfred, i don't think we can be friends.

Well, you DO love Lowell. Sabers out.

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

how is matthea harvey regarded by you dudes?

cozwn, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

who are your favourite modern poets, table is a table?

cozwn, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean, do you know who the best-selling poets of our times are?

Thing is, most people have no clue. Do we want to compare Billy Collins sales to Dan Brown?

Both Collins and Mary Oliver are easily defensible imo. I'd much rather have people reading them then not reading poetry at all. Hate the work, don't hate the sales. p.s. you forgot Jewel.

bnw, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

:)

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Contemporary poets....

More lyric stuff: Kazim Ali, Martha Collins, Anne Carson.

More out-there stuff: Lisa Robertson, Mei-mei Berssenbrugge, Elizabeth Robinson, Laura Mullen, Eileen Myles, Kim Rosenfield, Jill Magi, Kevin Davies.

More conceptual stuff: Christian Bok, Kenny Goldsmith, Vanessa Place.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link

i could go on and on. i'm a bookworm.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link

pls do; are those all american?

cozwn, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link

lol britishes

bnw, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link

some Canadians here and there...

now i'll just list:
Bruce Andrews, Kevin k*ll*an, Jessica Grim, Jena Osman, Kathleen Fraser, Nathaniel Mackey, Kamau Brathwaite, Jacques Roubaud, Lytton Smith, E. Tracey Grinnell, Stan Apps, Juliana Spahr, Jared Stanley, Peter Culley, Ben Lerner's first book, Mark Wunderlich's first book, Dennis Cooper's older stuff......

and of course, a lot of young poets who don't have much out yet except chapbooks.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

don't give us it, bnw

thx, ttitt

cozwn, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

the cool thing about poets is if you can google their email address (usually at a school) they'll respond 97.83% of the time.

bnw, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

some living American poets I like:

Rae Armantrout (probably my fave), Aaron Kunin, Claudia Rankine, Charles Simic, Ashbery (duh)

I am pals with, and hence biased about:

Mon1ca Youn, St3ve Burt, Mark Wunderl1ch

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

i love Rae's older stuff, and saw Aaron give a fucking amazing reading a couple weeks back....

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

ppl best understand things in their relations to other things; when the tyranny of coincidence has a wife w/a tragic story marry a feted poet, it's hard to resist engaging tht way but I get yr point

Yeah, I don't want to overstate that point, and I'm not uninterested in their unique backstory, it's just that (as with JD and NO) I've largely given up trying to decide which one is better.

Lostandfound, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

thinking maybe a separate thread to post poems we like, talk baout poetry, stuff like that?

so this thread can go back to hatin' on/stanning for/zinging in the vicinity of plath?

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe this one?

Poetry Corner

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

More lyric stuff: Kazim Ali, Martha Collins, Anne Carson.

I saw Kazim Ali read here and he has a marvelously kooky reading voice. Also I corrected the math in one of his poems.

I am pals with, and hence biased about:

Mon1ca Youn, St3ve Burt, Mark Wunderl1ch

Wait, all these people are my pals too and one was best man at my wedding. Who are you?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

argh crap THIS ONE

Contemporary Poetry

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Who are you?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:45 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

his name rhymes with "jew janiel"
― fleetwood (max), Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:35 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh hey there true manuel
― Miss Fitzhenry (s1ocki), Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:45 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

new spaniel
― cutty, Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:50 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

blue granual, of popular beat combo thermos
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:57 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cozwn, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

ha ha, who knew. squirrel, i am Monica's math friend whose first name rhymes with "lizzie borden."

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link

There are also:

The Poetry Thread
Poetry Thread, part two: A Game Of Chess

Lostandfound, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost to eephus

Hey there you- didn't we meet up quite randomly at the MSRI dedication thang?

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link

indeed!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

hi, honey, no one cares!

buzza, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 06:10 (ten years ago) link

irl, i don't think i know a single poet who enjoys thinking about or reading Sylvia Plath at this point in time. same with ginsberg.

who gives a shit?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:35 (ten years ago) link

eleven months pass...

for the record there's a bad sentence above - I don't consider Plath greater than Berryman or Lowell, "other lesser confessionals" meant "confessionals you can name besides these ones" e.g. Sexton

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:49 (nine years ago) link

Snodgrass quite underrated these days

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 00:59 (nine years ago) link

Berryman (the only one of the aforementioned that I know well) is all-time for me. I had to stop reading Dream Songs last year cuz I was at a really bad place in my life and the darkness in them was starting to get suffocating... but I recently picked it up again and I'm glad I did

What if an accident in Cuba had placed a baby in Obama? (bernard snowy), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:23 (nine years ago) link

first dream song is still my fav & one of v.few poems burned into my memory probably forever; but #29 (posted upthread) is one of my favs too

What if an accident in Cuba had placed a baby in Obama? (bernard snowy), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:26 (nine years ago) link

I have this constitutional aversion to the confessional, even after giving Lowell a genuine try after that 2003 collected poems got published. I'd rather read Merrill, Bishop, O'Hara, and Ashbery.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:28 (nine years ago) link

eh, different strokes; I like most of the names you just mentioned but Berryman's style is so electrifying I don't even pay attention to what he's "confessing" half the time

wish I could say more on the actual topic of this thread but I haven't read Plath since I was assigned to do a project on her in high school. I don't recall enjoying it very much (though I suspect I was a pretty bad reader/she went over my head most of the time), and I always think I ought to give her another chance, but there's always something else I wanna buy instead... *shrug*

What if an accident in Cuba had placed a baby in Obama? (bernard snowy), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:30 (nine years ago) link

They've all written poems I love though. The concision of and enjambments in "Near the Ocean" are breathtaking, and Plath's highwire act of imperiousness and vulgarity is unequaled; her strangeness eludes much of her collegiate claque.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:34 (nine years ago) link

calling berryman confessional is selling him short

otoh the same is true of plath and probably also of everyone called 'confessional' ever

Yorkshire lass born and bred, that's me, said Katriona's hologram. (thomp), Saturday, 10 November 2012 12:13 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...
five years pass...

I posted this on the LRB thread. It's compelling, but...

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n24/joanna-biggs/im-an-intelligence

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 12:54 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

re-reading Bell Jar and i think i will always stan for Plath

i dont know if i’ll articulate this the way i think of it but in her poetry and the bell jar there’s something i love about the way her direct, vivid-yet-blunt (& often grotesque) descriptions are presented so unapologetically in very refined, calm settings and she never belabors them or refers back to them, she just lets them, sit, & moves on


she’s not drawing attention to a “gloomy” mindset, or indicating it with any kind of moody gothy setup. like rooms and places and landscapes are always pleasant or inoffensive — she really captures the way weird or ugly thoughts and similes just land & fly away in one’s thoughts without necessarily being shown outwardly?

idk if that makes sense but anyway i love her

i recently read part of the recent Heather Clark “Red Comet” bio of plath and while i annoyingly didn’t get to finish before i had to return it, it is so impressively comprehensive and human and demythologizing, i am going to reborrow & finish it

i highly recommend

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 September 2022 22:00 (one week ago) link

I read The Bell Jar in February 20121 and whooped at every other sentence -- a hilarious, scary novel.

I recommend the book published last year about Plath and Sexton meeting for martinis at the Ritz.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 September 2022 22:18 (one week ago) link

xp great post

barry sito (gyac), Monday, 19 September 2022 22:19 (one week ago) link

also i never knew ~insulin~ shock therapy was a thing until rereading bell jar this time

horrifying https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_shock_therapy

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 September 2022 22:23 (one week ago) link


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