Programming as a career

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I've been doing some programming at work, but because it's a hardware place, the bar is set pretty low in terms of languages. I've floated my resume out there a couple times, but aside from a couple nibbles, nothing, so I've realized that I don't have enough CS knowledge: a decent amount of perl, less decent PHP, some Mysql, some Javascript, and a couple of C classes that I've taken a couple years ago that have fallen into disuse. What, then, should I improve on? Should I take some Java classes? I figure that I'll have to take a data structure class sooner or later; should I aim for a certificate or even a degree?

Leee, Friday, 21 August 2009 03:28 (ten years ago) link

Java and C# are very high in demand. And definitely get a Bachelor's degree in CS if you can. Tons of places won't even give you the time of day if you don't have one.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 21 August 2009 03:36 (ten years ago) link

Bump. Anyone else, or did Mr. Burns give the long and short of it?

Leee, Friday, 21 August 2009 21:00 (ten years ago) link

I've been in this career so long I'm obsolete, so my best advice is look at the want ads for programmers and see what's needed most. And I hope a BS in CS still means you know C inside and out.

nickn, Friday, 21 August 2009 21:27 (ten years ago) link

Oh, and get the A+ certification. No, it's not very programming-related, but it shows that you know rudimentary knowledge of PC repair, it's a super easy exam, and it's on your resume forever.

Don't bother with most other certifications, though. They're an absolute nightmare to study for and they become obsolete too fast. Instead, I'd start contributing to some free open source project on sourceforge or google code or something, and then bring that code with you to all your interviews. It gives you a good answer to the "yes, but what have you done lately?" question, and voluntarily contributing for a free project makes you look good.

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 23 August 2009 04:02 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

Asking coworkers and family, and two things I often hear:

1. Get at least a bachelor's in comp sci/software engineering (I have an ever-useful English degree already) because in terms of career growth, you won't get priority unless you have that degree. This is important to me, given that I'm currently at a position where I have almost no room for growth.
2. Don't get a bachelor's, because everything's getting outsourced in software engineering anyway.

I'm reluctant to give up before I've even gotten started on programming, since I took forever to find a job, first of all, and one that I actually enjoy.

Leee, Friday, 18 December 2009 05:40 (ten years ago) link

People who say #2 don't know what they're talking about.

Just make sure you either specialize or diversify your skills (whichever suits your persona, there are pros and cons to either) so you're not a one trick programmer, and you'll be fine. In this late 2009 economapolypse, I'd go with the diversify-yourself-and-learn-a-whole-bunch-of-shit-for-fun angle. Companies will give preference to people who geek out on programming in their spare time, or *ahem* at least can pretend very well that they do.

Yeah, learn a bunch of shit, more the better.

kingfish, Friday, 18 December 2009 06:40 (ten years ago) link

3. Make up for lack of degree w/ experience (fuck going back 2 school)

shartin jort (am0n), Friday, 18 December 2009 06:44 (ten years ago) link

Other recent observations: open source environment jobs have blossomed.. Microsoft technology jobs have softened (for pretty obvious budget reasons.) It's awesome to know both, but if you had to choose one, choose the former -- since it's free, and if you can prove that you wrestled with bugs in some open source package, and overcame them, that's something you can put on a CV.

(The really stupid thing about tech companies: no one will hire a seasoned C# programmer for a mid-level Java position, or vice versa -- even though the two language skills are highly transferable. This is digressing into rant territory, so I'll stop.)

3b. Or at least spend a number of days going through wiki pages on algorithms involving binary search trees, sort algorithms, and abstract data types like stacks, queues, linked-lists, etc. A BS in CS will teach you that and a lot more, but in practice, it's the former stuff that companies really care about. You do need some math skillz to understand the former. learning O-notation is a bonus.

Then again, some companies just want to hire people who like picking things up quickly.

Yeah, learn a bunch of shit, more the better.

ehh, having a multidisciplinary cv can be a pain, recruiters don't know what to do with you.

poster x (ledge), Friday, 18 December 2009 10:58 (ten years ago) link

I'll back the assertion that it is possible to be a coder without a degree (my ex is an example - heck he didnt even finish high school) but if you go down that path you gotta know C++, C#, assembly, perl, etc relevant to field language. You have to live and breathe code and *enjoy* doing it. I see people who code like other people play and write songs on guitars. Theyre the ones who do well.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Friday, 18 December 2009 11:12 (ten years ago) link

i would think with that trayce you kinda have to get a bit lucky, and find a company that's a bit more relaxed in their recruitment drive.

i recently applied for a java role, having a rather great bouncy interview and selling my enthusiasm for coding etc. They seemed impressed and I thought i'd done well but the other guy won the job basically because he knew more about 'business' terms.

all companies are different, worth researching them individually for your applications.

bracken free ditch (Ste), Friday, 18 December 2009 11:21 (ten years ago) link

Games industry is perhaps a unique beast compared to coding in all other fields, as it is a lot more of a "prove yer shit" industry.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Friday, 18 December 2009 11:57 (ten years ago) link

Know this really well.

Then this.

And then this.

Now you're pretty much all set.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 18 December 2009 12:01 (ten years ago) link

xp Trayce, yeah agree with that

bracken free ditch (Ste), Friday, 18 December 2009 12:14 (ten years ago) link

Is learning C++ a particularly good idea these days? There's got to be a lot more jobs in Java and PHP, at least. Hell, probably even in Ruby and Python. People do argue that you learn so much from programming C++ that it makes other languages much easier to pick up etc, but that doesn't seem to me like a good enough reason to start there.

Guess it depends on the job you want -- I imagine the places where they use C and C++ now are ones where you're most likely to actually need a CS degree.

What do I know -- I just quit my programming job last month and have no idea wtf to do in the future.

Øystein, Friday, 18 December 2009 12:48 (ten years ago) link

I had heard that C++ had lost out a lot to Java and Visual C++ to C#, and meanwhile C is still going strong for embedded systems, which C++ is largely unsuited to. But I have never been paid to write in any of those languages so I dunno.

When I was last job-hunting I put just about every language I had even basic knowledge of, and a specialist IT recruiter told me it was confusing and I needed to narrow it down. So don't do that.

I suppose that sounds obvious (writing 30-line programs in yr spare time or in lol college != doing useful work on a real major project), but when your core skills - and I'm not sure I have any - are kind of limited and obsolete, and your jobs to date have involved a lot of whatever nobody else wants to do that day but thinks you can pick up as you go...

brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 18 December 2009 13:23 (ten years ago) link

I have a good front-to-back knowledge of web development, from html to java, and i do put it all on my cv, but I try to position myself as a java developer. Still most of the stuff i get from agents is for entry level html crap. Basically all agents are know-nothing cunts.

poster x (ledge), Friday, 18 December 2009 13:48 (ten years ago) link

is it worth learning to use stuff like eclipse and that because i guess while most people can do java C++ fewer people will know how to work with the specfic development tools etc?

I sb'ed your mum (ken c), Friday, 18 December 2009 16:37 (ten years ago) link

It might also be helpful to learn about recursion, as told by H.P. Lovecraft:

http://www.bobhobbs.com/files/kr_lovecraft.html

o. nate, Friday, 18 December 2009 17:47 (ten years ago) link

3. Make up for lack of degree w/ experience (fuck going back 2 school)

I kind of sort of have this covered at my current position, but I'm sort of an ad hoc backwater one-person band supporting a group in a hardware company, so there's not a lot of support for me but also not a lot of priority given to me vis-a-vis promotions, accumulating job skills past a rudimentary point, etc. It's good for financial security, but if I need/want a real developer's job, I feel a bit underqualified, thus thinking about doing school part time to get a BA/BS. And that goes to Sock Puppet's 3b; I'm a bit intimidated by the mathier stuff on my own, I do much better in a classroom.

I have some Java on me now, I'm taking a C++ class at jr. college this Winter Q.

Leee, Friday, 18 December 2009 21:22 (ten years ago) link

People who say #2 don't know what they're talking about.

Re: outsourcing -- does it matter that I work in Silicon Valley? I tend to assume that if the general trend is towards outsourcing programming, SV would be the place where it happens first.

Leee, Friday, 18 December 2009 21:24 (ten years ago) link

is it worth learning to use stuff like eclipse and that

i guess it'd be a good idea to know how how yer basic ide works but no point going out of your way to learn any particular one. once you know one you know them all, more or less.

poster x (ledge), Friday, 18 December 2009 21:32 (ten years ago) link

OTM. Every company has their own specifics w.r.t. IDEs so it's probably not a good use of your time to worry about the environment outside of what you need to know to get things done.

There's no concrete answer to the get/don't get a C.S. degree question. As you might have guessed already it depends... amount of experience, depth of background, relative visibility, the type of job you're looking for and what industry it's in (something like game development is it's own Universe). I can only offer up anecdotes from my own career - I've had exactly two formal programming classes, but 18 years of job experience from IT garbage collector, to webmaster, device driver wizard, and database king. Like everyone else has been saying, have a broad familiarity with a couple areas of deep knowledge. If I was starting now, I'd make Java one of those deep knowledge areas.

Also, don't underestimate visibility. Write some code, improve on it, and then blog the results. Write comments on someone else's coding blog. I've gotten a couple of contract gig offers just because I posted some sample code to my blog. Go figure.

Lastly, get familiar with database basics. Nothing ridiculous like Oracle but just your basic MySQL/PostGreSQL fundamentals. I didn't set out to be a database guy, but I knew some stuff and now four years later I'm a full-blown DBA and pretty good at it.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 19 December 2009 00:25 (ten years ago) link

> I had heard that C++ had lost out a lot to Java

i think this is due to a shift towards webapps (java servlets). i'm a dyed in the wool c programmer now doing java for a living because everything is now sat on a server being served by JBoss.

(never had a lesson in java, hadn't been invented whilst i was in education... lol, z80)

i am aghast at some of the job adverts i see, the list of disparate things they expect you to know. but a lot of this is due to agency idiots. (that said, if i think about all the disparate things i use at work...)

the thing they don't teach you at college but is fundamental when working professionally and/or in groups is version control. get comfortable with cvs or svn or maybe even git. at the very least know what they do.

i'd also recommend having something you can show people, like contributing, or starting, an open source project. or just having some flashy applets somewhere.

this stuff all takes years, 25 years in i'm still picking stuff up.

koogs, Sunday, 20 December 2009 10:27 (ten years ago) link

Hm, I like a syntax-highlighting text editor with parenthesis matching and suchlike, but for the actual business of compiling and running I'm still alt-tabbing to a console window, guess I'd better stop being so afraid of letting the IDE take care of it...

Ha, agency job ads. Seen ads asking for 3 years' experience in technologies which aren't 3 years old.

This is good encouragement to actually listen to the woman who's been trying to get us all to use svn. The only version control I've used was command-line only and didn't do much beyond locking the file and adding a timestamped comment. Seems they're a lot more sophisticated now.

brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 21 December 2009 16:32 (ten years ago) link

file locking is so '90s.

poster x (ledge), Monday, 21 December 2009 16:37 (ten years ago) link

Hm, I like a syntax-highlighting text editor with parenthesis matching and suchlike, but for the actual business of compiling and running I'm still alt-tabbing to a console window, guess I'd better stop being so afraid of letting the IDE take care of it...

Yeah, I programmed in notepad etc for years, before moving to a proper IDE, mostly because I figured I should learn to program without any tools to help me out. In hindsight that wasn't a particularly good idea, it just made thinks more convoluted and slow. Rewriting code was a major pain etc.
Learning an IDE (Eclipse, for instance) is hardly any work at all, since you can start off treating it as little more than a fancified text-editor, and learn the cool tricks as you go along. I mean, hell, I'd used one for over a year before I even heard of "extract method"! Sheesh.

Actually, that reminds me that getting comfortable with Maven or Ant is fairly quickly done, and something well worth doing once you're comfortable with Subversion (SVN) or CVS.
Also, testing frameworks. JUnit if you're using Java. It's both quick to learn, and well worth it; just don't let the annoying Test-Driven Design (TDD) fanatics put you off.

Øystein, Monday, 21 December 2009 18:15 (ten years ago) link

there are things netbeans cannot do that easily vim will do in a heartbeat but i can't live without the code completion stuff as i don't really know the libraries (and they change). plus java projects have such a deep directory trees and our stuff is so scattered that you end up spending most of your time in vim typing directory paths to swapping between files (could use ctags i guess)

eclipse i never got to grips with - there's no 'compile' button as it's continually compiling and i like having a compile button.

svn can be used on the command line but we use tortoise.

koogs, Monday, 21 December 2009 19:11 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...

Programmers are the magicians of the modern age

calstars, Sunday, 8 June 2014 21:36 (five years ago) link

Not the ones I've known. And I've known more than a few.

Aimless, Monday, 9 June 2014 04:56 (five years ago) link

buncha putzes

j., Monday, 9 June 2014 05:09 (five years ago) link

Programming is the worst

Nhex, Monday, 9 June 2014 06:46 (five years ago) link

DevOps is the worst.

koogs, Monday, 9 June 2014 10:32 (five years ago) link

Software Engineer USA™

, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:04 (five years ago) link

we like to pretend we're architects and engineers and builders but we're really more like apprentice mechanics or those dudes that assemble pre-made furniture half the time

a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:07 (five years ago) link

programming is great if functions and syntax are well documented. it is the worst thing imaginable otherwise.

sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:09 (five years ago) link

I do enjoy the critical thinking parts of my mind that were unlocked by learning CS theory and programming over a period of time, but it really chafes me to see software developers think that they're able to solve non-software societal problems with that toolkit

a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:09 (five years ago) link

professional googlers

lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:10 (five years ago) link

Oh, I forgot that one. Software Architect. Classic.

I much rather SysAdmin, coder, developer, webmonkey/webmaster, script kiddie

Mind you, my end goal is probably to be a 'Software Architect', so I should lol carefully

, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:10 (five years ago) link

yeah, really smart or tricky code makes you seem like a wizard but what it really makes you is an asshole if it's ever meant to be maintained

pretty sure my coding style has gotten progressively dumber on purpose

a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:10 (five years ago) link

^^ thank you

sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:11 (five years ago) link

I think software/systems architect is a fine title, even if my actual designs-buildings-and-structures friend recoils in disgust. I hate when people introduce themselves as "architects" without the qualifier.

Now, the part of the business where people use "architect" as a verb... not so good.

a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:12 (five years ago) link

I do enjoy the critical thinking parts of my mind that were unlocked by learning CS theory and programming over a period of time, but it really chafes me to see software developers think that they're able to solve non-software societal problems with that toolkit

― a strange man (mh), Monday, June 9, 2014 5:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


From the dudes I've met, I get the impression many of them think they do have superpowers and can basically write a piece of software/webapp to solve just about any social/civic/political issue

, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:12 (five years ago) link

they probably also think they can throw together that application in a matter of a few days

programmers are horrible estimators

a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:13 (five years ago) link

working with computers makes people feel very powerful because computers are powerful

lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:13 (five years ago) link

bring back punch cards

sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:14 (five years ago) link

ya, it's just funny because in canada you're not really allowed to use "software engineer", because, well, you're not an engineer. but in the states, it's quite common

, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:15 (five years ago) link

ime it's beloved of people who like to over-complicate everything they do.

our default at work is to squash merge from feature branch into master. that way you don't get all the 'i'm trying this' or 'changed a thing' commits. before github there weren't feature branches...

koogs, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 08:24 (three weeks ago) link

I am lazy and just use a GUI

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 08:31 (three weeks ago) link

I do my adds and commits from the button inside vscode! the others from terminal

cherry blossom, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:39 (three weeks ago) link

I think it would be cool to work at a shop where people had time to worry about things like squashing commits to make the log look nicer. Our logs look like a tire fire.

o. nate, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 21:33 (three weeks ago) link

to be fair the only times I use git are for projects that don't remotely care about this, or for my own personal projects

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 22:07 (three weeks ago) link

git is good but has way too many options so takes forever to learn.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 22:16 (three weeks ago) link

And then there are current best practices but some people didn't upload their brains so are still stuck on outmoded best practices.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 22:17 (three weeks ago) link

goddam I really messed up this whole career thing lol

brimstead, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 22:28 (three weeks ago) link

crushed some SQL today lads

silby, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 22:37 (three weeks ago) link

xp -- this isn't career stuff, the only code I've done in the past month is a dumb reverse engineering project

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 23:00 (three weeks ago) link

lol sorry that was just a general scream into the void

brimstead, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 23:09 (three weeks ago) link

Scream away!

I was scanning over my old posts, and I'm kind of stunned at how far I've come. Granted, that was (yikes) more than 10 years ago, but the industry's changed a load too, especially with the rise of bootcamps. I think those alone would've helped me out back then, and they're probably the best avenue for people thinking of getting into industry as a part of a career change.

Judd Apatowsaurus (Leee), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 23:35 (three weeks ago) link

I am proud to have leapfrogged from bash scripts into management like the ambitious careerist motherfucker that I was raised to be

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 03:23 (three weeks ago) link

Or basically “I realized I sucked at code so I volunteered for everything else I could do until it worked”

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 03:25 (three weeks ago) link

volunteering to do things where you've found a strength is seriously underrated and doesn't work in all organizations, but it's a good strategy

mh, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 03:29 (three weeks ago) link

git is good but has way too many options so takes forever to learn.

I think git is great but to me its very much a secondary thing, I don't want to do anything more than the 8 or 9 commands I use. And if I found I was doing anything more than that I would wonder what had gone wrong that I needed those things.

Although hmmm, having said that github actions might be something worth looking into one day

cherry blossom, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 04:04 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve done some vile things with git

silby, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 05:07 (three weeks ago) link

surprisingly, vilegit.com seems unregistered

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 06:13 (three weeks ago) link

a foul repository

Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

I am surprised vilegit.com hasn't been snapped up by VI purists

DJP, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:45 (three weeks ago) link

I am a vim purist but I stopped haranguing people about it 10 years ago

silby, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:50 (three weeks ago) link

Some helpful but less-trafficked git commands that I use:

git ls-files -m

Outputs a nice list of modified files, useful when I want to run a linter on these files which are all over the repo.

git add -p /path/to/file

If I have a bunch of changes in a file but I only want to commit some of them, this command brings up a shell that lets you pick and choose which changes to commit.

Judd Apatowsaurus (Leee), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:15 (three weeks ago) link

My most recent git discovery was -v on git commit (which I’ve now made the default behaviour). It appends the diff (along with the list of staged and unstaged files) in your editor when you edit the commit message. It’s in the commented bit so it doesn’t go in the commit message but it’s useful to refer to, and most useful for catching stuff you shouldn’t be committing.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:48 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, nice!

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:53 (three weeks ago) link


git add --patch whatever.js

is essential for a hygienic commit log

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 May 2020 03:31 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks for the reminder! Any pro tips for using stash?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 14:46 (two weeks ago) link

I always forget stash options so I have to look it up every time:

https://stackoverflow.com/a/10726185
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3573623/is-it-possible-to-preview-stash-contents-in-git

Judd Apatowsaurus (Leee), Friday, 8 May 2020 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks. Have also started using “git stash push” so that I don’t stash everything, just the files that are causing a merge conflict, say.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

Wow just found out you can stash hunks as well.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 15:17 (two weeks ago) link

If that's what you're into.

Judd Apatowsaurus (Leee), Friday, 8 May 2020 16:41 (two weeks ago) link

Lol

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 16:46 (two weeks ago) link

And now I have an even dorkier d/n.

git stash hunks (Leee), Friday, 8 May 2020 16:50 (two weeks ago) link

If only!

I'm learning tmux now!

git stash hunks (Leee), Friday, 8 May 2020 22:12 (two weeks ago) link

[
git add --patch whatever.js
]

is essential for a hygienic commit log

D
Remembered to use this, thanks.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 May 2020 14:40 (two weeks ago) link

i visit this page once or twice a month:

https://sethrobertson.github.io/GitFixUm/fixup.html

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Monday, 11 May 2020 14:44 (two weeks ago) link

neat

silby, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:45 (two weeks ago) link

I decided at some point that I hated trying to remember command line options and started using GitExtensions as my Git IDE; I have never looked back.

DJP, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:27 (two weeks ago) link

Sourcetree is nice on Mac.

not found anything decent on linux yet. and the one i did like (gitg) lost a lot of the things i liked about it from one version to the next (and gets confused by binary files, like 100% cpu confused)

koogs, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:43 (two weeks ago) link

(svn is generally better for my use case anyway - large document, lots of tiny changes - than git anyway because it stores the diffs and not a complete copy of each like git does*. i had a git directory that was 40x the size of the original document once)

(* git will compress eventually, i'm told, and i'm sure i could force it to happen faster than it does, but svn does it by default)

koogs, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:47 (two weeks ago) link

We onboarded a new hire recently who came from a bootcamp, and I realized that of our entire engineering team at the local office (we have presences in multiple regions), only our VP and lead security guy and our worst (by far) developer have CS degrees. That leaves a director, a devops lead (who has an EE degree), and two senior engineers (including me).

Gazelle Bundchen (Leee), Friday, 22 May 2020 21:50 (five days ago) link

Actually the other senior eng has an interdisciplinary degree that can definitely fall under the CS heading.

Gazelle Bundchen (Leee), Friday, 22 May 2020 21:56 (five days ago) link

aren't you the one who was trained not to say 'onboarded' though

j., Friday, 22 May 2020 22:02 (five days ago) link

Me? Not that I remember!

Gazelle Bundchen (Leee), Friday, 22 May 2020 22:36 (five days ago) link

well obviously not now, you've been corrupted

j., Friday, 22 May 2020 22:40 (five days ago) link

As long as we're talking jargon, yall have permission to FP me if ever use these:

- solutioning
- grow (i.e. grow a business)

My god I use a lot of these I have become that which I hated: https://www.trustradius.com/buyer-blog/27-most-annoying-business-buzzwords-of-2019-explained

Gazelle Bundchen (Leee), Friday, 22 May 2020 23:23 (five days ago) link

"double click"

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 23 May 2020 02:53 (four days ago) link

Is the word “wheelhouse” in that list?

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 May 2020 02:54 (four days ago) link

Ha, of course it is

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 May 2020 03:45 (four days ago) link


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