Bob Novak Dead

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Uh, who else were you hoping would go down?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:10 (ten years ago) link

do I even have to say it

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:10 (ten years ago) link

go ahead! you have permission this time.

scott seward, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:11 (ten years ago) link

How about Grassley?

xp

The Love Song of J Alfred Pluot (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:12 (ten years ago) link

Jonah Goldberg?

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:15 (ten years ago) link

woah.

rip bob novak.

goole, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:16 (ten years ago) link

Grew up watching him on Crossfire, where he formed my mental image of old stodgy conservatives. Other than that I don't really have a kind word for him. RIP.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:24 (ten years ago) link

even when I agreed with him, he was a jerk

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:28 (ten years ago) link

Cue Shakey

ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:45 (ten years ago) link

fuck this guy. RIP.

Hey, I got crushed on another board for criticizing a guy I fucking loathed on his RIP thread, so I'm keeping my mouth shut here.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:02 (ten years ago) link

you are not likely to find many bob novak fans around here

goole, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:05 (ten years ago) link

Hey, I got crushed on another board for criticizing a guy I fucking loathed on his RIP thread, so I'm keeping my mouth shut here

was it Michael Jackson? Bob Novak is slightly less revered than Michael Jackson.

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:07 (ten years ago) link

what a confused degraded life rip

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:09 (ten years ago) link

"Bob Novak is slightly less revered than Michael Jackson."

I dont really give a shit.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:26 (ten years ago) link

I have no use for him, now and forever.

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:27 (ten years ago) link

bill magill if you want to shit on bob novak in this thread, go for it

goole, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:28 (ten years ago) link

Ok, he was a total dick and a scumbag. He even looked like what a scumbag would look like if there was an actual item called a "scumbag". He can rot in hell.

Thanks.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:30 (ten years ago) link

rest without peace, prince of darkness

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:31 (ten years ago) link

Farewell, Douchebag of Liberty

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:32 (ten years ago) link

My favorite of the most loathsome things about Novak was his relish in that Prince of Darkness moniker -- well, now, really. Sporting eyebrows a cartoon villain would reject and writing graceless copy for 45 years makes one a prince.

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:33 (ten years ago) link

definitely a waste of carbon

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:35 (ten years ago) link

The Prince of Darkness nickname always made me think of the Frank Zappa "Evil Prince" character. "He eats the snouts and the trotters first" etc etc.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:37 (ten years ago) link

nb. 'scumbag' is ancient slang for condom

goole, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:39 (ten years ago) link

RIP, etc... I wish brain cancer on no-one and remember that it is unseemly to speak ill of the dead.

I do, however, remember when I first started following politics that I alwasy found him a man of extremely bad faith, without a moral compass, really. He always repulsed me like a venomous snake would.

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:39 (ten years ago) link

in fairness dude did totally look like a condom

nate dogg is a feeling (HI DERE), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:40 (ten years ago) link

rot in hell

abanana, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:45 (ten years ago) link

i guess you didn't really care for him

I love rainbow cookies (surm), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:46 (ten years ago) link

Thread title says it all for me. I have nothing to add to that.

Aimless, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:50 (ten years ago) link

Remember this?

Novak cited after hitting pedestrian.

Novak, 77, has earned a reputation around the capital as an aggressive driver, easily identified in his convertible sports car.

In 2001, he cursed at a pedestrian on the corner of Pennsylvania Avenue and 13th streets Northwest for allegedly jaywalking.

“’Learn to read the signs, [bodily orifice]!’ Novak snapped before speeding away,” according to an item in The Washington Post’s Reliable Source column.

Novak explained to the paper: "He was crossing on the red light. I really hate jaywalkers. I despise them. Since I don't run the country, all I can do is yell at 'em. The other option is to run 'em over, but as a compassionate conservative, I would never do that."

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:55 (ten years ago) link

Just to speak well of the dead, Bob Novak, along with Phillip Michael Thomas, was one of the two best-dressed men on television. RIP, my favorite conservative clotheshorse.

Eazy, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:58 (ten years ago) link

saw a reel of outtakes from crossfire like 15 years ago in which novak was just completely acting like a five-year-old -- "don't tell me to shut up. you shut up!" etc etc. kinda wondered how he even managed a career, being that clownish.

walked past him outside the acc basketball tournament when it was in dc a few years ago. he was wearing an over-large maryland terrapins jacket and looking lost. and judy woodruff was giving him shit because maryland had already lost and was out of the tournament.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 18:01 (ten years ago) link

he managed a career the way most of the washington press corps does - by being a v attentive errand boy to power

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 18:26 (ten years ago) link

RIP.

The Worst Chef in America!! (u s steel), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 18:51 (ten years ago) link

i heard he was secretly nice to a kitten once.

scott seward, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 18:52 (ten years ago) link

then he ate it.

scott seward, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 18:52 (ten years ago) link

My Kim Dae-jung RIP thread died a quick death, but this thread has all kinds of life.

Super Cub, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:06 (ten years ago) link

fuck this guy

geir ham, go (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:18 (ten years ago) link

If there was a decent lefty tabloid we could fabricate some shit about Novak recanting his whole politics on his deathbed.

discovery witch has "provide you are reciptives" (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:20 (ten years ago) link

Robert Novak was a cockfarmer.

kate78, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:21 (ten years ago) link

somewhere, tucker carlson's bowtie is weeping.

there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:24 (ten years ago) link

why does everyone hate this dude i never watched crossfire or read his shit

a narwhal done gored my sister nell (cankles), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 07:33 (ten years ago) link

i don't even think his obits are gonna get one of those "i disagreed with him, but i always respected him" type deals. guy was a straight up uncivil asshole.

amateurist, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 07:49 (ten years ago) link

> why does everyone hate this dude i never watched crossfire or read his shit

Do you remember when he outed a CIA agent over a grudge with her husband?

The Love Song of J Alfred Pluot (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 13:01 (ten years ago) link

Well, the story's more complicated.

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 13:09 (ten years ago) link

burn, fucker.

Come OOOOOOOOOOOOOOON rule of three!

huh? like anyone remembered who Kim Dae-jung was?

Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 13:12 (ten years ago) link

Do you remember when he outed a CIA agent over a grudge with her husband?

This doesn't even chart, btw. I'd love to out all CIA agents.

Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 13:13 (ten years ago) link

i don't even think his obits are gonna get one of those "i disagreed with him, but i always respected him" type deals. guy was a straight up uncivil asshole.

apparently he was a real sweetheart in real life LOL

david broder: The self-mocking parody of himself that Bob created as the Prince, a grumpy right-winger, was sometimes taken more seriously by his audience than he intended. Bob was pugnacious, when challenged, but his instinct was to help his friends whenever they needed it.

new york times: Al Hunt, the Washington executive editor of Bloomberg News, said it was difficult to pigeonhole Mr. Novak.

“Bob was known for his very tough and hard-line views, but he was also a great reporter who liked a good story even more than his ideology,” said Mr. Hunt, who had worked for The Wall Street Journal for 39 years before joining Bloomberg in 2005. “He was the ‘reverse’ Washington. If you were riding high, Novak loved to kick you. And if you were down, he’d be there for you.”

After largely ignoring religion and dabbling in Unitarianism, Mr. Novak, in 1998, at age 67, converted to Roman Catholicism. In a ceremony, Msgr. Peter Vaghi proclaimed that the “prince of darkness” had been transformed into a “child of light.”

some idiot at the nro corner: With Bob Novak, what you saw was what you got. And it was impossible — if you had any appreciation of humanity — not to love him.

We on his staff would hear him slam down the phone after a raucous disagreement with someone. Then his door would swing open, and he would emerge with an empty coffee cup, looking for a lightning-fast refill of the thick black sludge that jelled in a rusty pot on a credenza all day. “And why don’t I need any sugar in my coffee?” he’d ask us.

“Because you’re already sweet,” we’d sing back.

“That’s right,” he’d nod, and retreat to his computer.

And sweet he indeed was.

m coleman, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 13:29 (ten years ago) link

wait, he was gay?

nate dogg is a feeling (HI DERE), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 13:35 (ten years ago) link

Do you remember when he outed a CIA agent over a grudge with her husband?

This doesn't even chart, btw

Morbz OTM

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 15:42 (ten years ago) link

Msgr. Peter Vaghi proclaimed that the “prince of darkness” had been transformed into a “child of light.”

goole, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 15:56 (ten years ago) link

“Because you’re already sweet,” we’d sing back.

goole, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 15:56 (ten years ago) link

“Because you’re already sweet,” we’d sing back.

The image I now have of that office is, if possible, more sinister than ever.

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 15:59 (ten years ago) link

(to be fair the other guys on the show - barring Zappa - are even more horrible)

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 16:45 (ten years ago) link

Amnesty, Abortion and Acid

On April 25, 1972, George McGovern won the Massachusetts primary and Novak phoned Democratic politicians around the country, who agreed with his assessment that blue-collar workers voting for McGovern did not understand what he really stood for.[30] On April 27, 1972 Novak reported in a column that an unnamed Democratic senator had talked to him about McGovern.[31] "The people don’t know McGovern is for amnesty, abortion and legalization of pot," the Senator said.[31] "Once middle America – Catholic middle America, in particular – finds this out, he’s dead."[31] The label stuck and McGovern became known as the candidate of "amnesty, abortion and acid."[30][32]

Novak was accused of manufacturing the quote.[31] Novak has claimed that, to rebut this criticism, he took the senator to lunch after the campaign and had asked whether he could identify him as the source,[31] but the senator said he would not allow his identity to be revealed.[31] "Oh, he had to run for re-election", said Novak.[30] "The McGovernites would kill him if they knew he had said that," Novak added.[30]

On July 15, 2007, Novak disclosed on Meet the Press that the unnamed senator was Thomas Eagleton.[30] Political analyst Bob Shrum says that Eagleton would never have been selected as McGovern's running mate if it had been known at the time that Eagleton was the source of the quote.[30] Shrum said:
“ Boy, do I wish he would have let you publish his name. Then he never would have been picked as vice president. Because the two things, the two things that happened to George McGovern – two of the things that happened to him – were the label you put on him, number one, and number two, the Eagleton disaster. We had a messy convention, but he could have, I think in the end, carried eight or 10 states, remained politically viable. And Eagleton was one of the great train wrecks of all time.[30] ”

Eagleton died March 4, 2007, "relieving me of the need to conceal his identity," Novak wrote.[31] Some of Eagleton’s former aides were reportedly angry that Eagleton's name was attached to a quote that made him appear duplicitous.[31] Asked about the story, Novak acknowledged that disclosing Eagleton’s identity was "a judgment on my part."[31] If there’s any disagreement, Eagleton could settle it with him in heaven "or wherever we end up," Novak added.[31]

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 16:49 (ten years ago) link

Msgr. Peter Vaghi proclaimed that the “prince of darkness” had been transformed into a “child of light.”

May the Monsignor soon join him in the light.

M.V., Wednesday, 19 August 2009 19:59 (ten years ago) link

Do you remember when he outed a CIA agent over a grudge with her husband?

This doesn't even chart, btw

Morbz OTM

― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:42 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^idiotic

Bill Magill, Thursday, 20 August 2009 19:07 (ten years ago) link

I think the point about the Plame outing is that Novak had no shred of moral integrity, even by DC standards.

Aimless, Thursday, 20 August 2009 19:15 (ten years ago) link

apparently he was a real sweetheart in real life LOL

That's why he never got banned.

god bless this -ation (Abbott), Thursday, 20 August 2009 19:40 (ten years ago) link

Michael Kinsley: "Beneath the asshole is a very decent guy, and beneath the very decent guy is an asshole."

Hoot Smalley, Thursday, 20 August 2009 20:02 (ten years ago) link

Bill all I meant was the Plame thing was just one in a long litany of asshole moves

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 August 2009 20:18 (ten years ago) link

Whoops, sorry SMC. Bad call by me.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 20 August 2009 20:30 (ten years ago) link

and all I meant was fuck the CIA.

did Don Hewitt not get his own thread? good.

Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 August 2009 22:58 (ten years ago) link

whatever you think of the cia, outing its agents would be a complete and utter disaster. im no fan at all of it, but the point I was calling idiotic was the outing of the agents.

Bill Magill, Friday, 21 August 2009 13:17 (ten years ago) link

that logic reminds me of "no matter what you think of the Democrats' cowardice, not voting for them would be a complete and utter disaster..."

Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 August 2009 13:25 (ten years ago) link

Oh, if we outed all the CIA agents, and its foreign intelligence assets around the world were swiftly imprisoned and/or executed in their native countries, you'd be linking to a Dennis Perrin column berating us all for enabling The Butcher Obama and for the blood on our hands and our insufficient outrage just about as fast as your little fingers could type, so fuck right the hell off.

Id rather dig ditches than pull another dudes string (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 21 August 2009 13:37 (ten years ago) link

that logic reminds me of "no matter what you think of the Democrats' cowardice, not voting for them would be a complete and utter disaster..."

― Indiana Morbs and the Curse of the Ivy League Chorister (Dr Morbius), Friday, August 21, 2009 9:25 AM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Sure, whatever you say.

Bill Magill, Friday, 21 August 2009 14:01 (ten years ago) link


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