Why are Japanese films so terrible?

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Japan easily has the highest ratio of Dinosaur vs Robot films in their arsenal and yet they always seem a little bit lacklustre. Apart from Emma's ex who else would be scared or even convinced of the fairness of the fight between Godzilla and Mothra.

And what about that Beat Takeshi. He's all po-faced moody yakuza shite. Has Japanese cinema got anything worth offering?

Pete, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It is indeed an enduring mystery that despite the formula of Dinosaur fighting Robot being the scientifically proven best use of cinema, films where it happens are a bit rubbish. I conclude that film is still an art form in its infancy.

Tom, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry Pete, but i love the japanese monster films of (what, late 60s i guess). the best bits though, are the extended bits where there are no monsters, and everything looks like one of Martin Parr's Boring Postcards and earnest Japanese men in orange boiler suits speak excitedly. having said that, the bits with the monsters are cool too. my fave today is Rodan.

gareth, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well Mothra was the biz, remember those weird little girls with their mesmeric siren song, hey were kick ass. & Gojira = o'course KLASSICK w/ 2 Ks. I don't know any modern jap fillums tho, i am the least movie-enthusiast-like creature on these 10 planets.

duane, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Mabarosi = gratest film of all time (abt how losing yr loved ones to death equals OK really and no big deal)

Gojira movie feat.Smog Monster (Jap version) = second gratest film of all time. At one point they convene a MAJOR ROCK CONCERT ATOP A MOUNTAIN to dispel the demons of pollution, you think ver kidz are going to save the universe god that's lame, but ROCK CONCERT FAILS!! Only a jumping man in a rubbish rubber suit will do!!

mark s, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

weird little girls = THE PEANUTS!!

mark s, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what do you people think of Akira Kurosawa?

lady die, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sonatine is a classic. Ring is pretty good too.

tom, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

But Ring 2 really drops the ball. Time Out are so wrong about the Ring films. The first one is a good idea, and executed pretty well - albeit the entire middle section being pointless fluff. That's a one hell of a scary eye.

Ring 2 fails to capitalise on the idea of the first film, and ends up in some sort of no mans land of schlocky pseudo horror. Pity. I hear Ring 0 (the prequel) is appalling too.

I of course rather like some Japanese films - and think After-Life is genius. I am looking forward to Battle Royale with more than a bit of interest.

Pete, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Kurasowa - classic until he entered venerable old age and got told too often he was a genius by US movie brats (eg 'Ran'. 'Kagemusha' etc. = ponderous guff). Yasujiro Ozu, Kenji Mizoguchi and Nagisa Oshima the true kings of Japanese art cinema. Also, 'Babycart' series (aka 'Lone Wolf and Cub' or 'Shogun Assassin') the best ultraviolence ever.

Andrew L, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Violent Cop = true nihilistic poem.

Tokyo Fist = best.film.ever

followed by 7 Samurai

Omar, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Were the Gamera films Japanese or Korean?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I like Ran a lot. Some people might say I'm into ponderous guff (I like Koyaanisqatsi and 2001 a lot) but I think Ran has a lot of beautiful shots (ex. the burning castle), tension, and unpredictability for something that I knew ahead of time was based on King Lear. The couple of 60s Kurosawa films I've seen, Yojimbo and Sanjuro, are friggin Classic. Great, *fun*, not-stupid action/adventure. I believe his last film was called Dreams; watched some of it, looked like ponderous guff...didn't watch much, though, admittedly. I also watched Ingmar Bergman's Dreams, which was prob the *least* ponderous guff of his...

Didn't get much outta Violent Cop at all. He was a violent cop though, truth in titling there...

Godzilla vs Smog Monster, liked that one a bunch back in the day. The kids on the mountain were playing surf music on psychedelic Fenders, right?

Chris, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, the pore deluded fools. US version = not as totally way out odd as Japanese version, however. The Smog Monster and his sexy sister Judy star in Gary Panter's comic Jimbo.

mark s, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Great Japanese films: "Akira", any Kurosawa film I've seen, "Audition" (the scariest film ever made)

Quite Good: "Ghost In The Shell", "Branded to Kill" (or is it "Branded to Thrill"? I mean the one with the hitman who is sexually aroused by the smell of cooking rice), "Violent Cop" (if only for the ending), "Ring" (not as scarey as people say, especially not on my tiny computer screen)

Pants, but bizarre non western pants (and therefore nevertheless interesting): "Roujin-Z" (see robotic beds fight!)

The Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Have to see Gohatto when I get back from France. After-Life is the bomb and I'm totally immune to the horror genre.

suzy, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Perfect Blue is great too, if I remember correctly. Haven't seen Ring 2 yet, but loved the first one because it was so silly.

Paul Strange, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Tampopo by Juzo Itami has to be seen to be believed. I hate to use the word meditation about a movie (coz it's so pretentious), but hey it's a meditation on cooking noodles, sex and the pursuit of an ideal. If nothing else it's the best movie I know about noodle cooking.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ikinai is easily the wittiest mass-suicide attempt I've seen in a while.

What about when Godzilla does the highland fling? That was funny! Ha ha ha!

He's Not Here, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone here seen Eureka? Surely the best thing I've seen in years, and the best 4-hour film I can think of. Plus -- even if you don't like Jim O'Rourke -- contains one of the most effective film/song convergences I've ever come across.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the eel

anthony, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Tampopo was [mildly] notorious for the kiss-the-egg-gloop scene, no? That fillum was generally considered (generally = me) to be the Japanese 9-1/2 Weeks. ('Cept obv. better cuz didn't feature twunts Mickey Rourke & Kim Basinger. Or Joe Cocker.)

AP, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Nit*uh - Eureka possibly the greatest film ever? Well, close. Close to Ratcatcher for beautiful cinematography. If I wasn't starting work tomorrow (no thanks to you Alang) I'd go and watch it right now. I wish I could say something more interesting - you ever feel so strongly about something that you wish people who you admire would go see it? Well I feel this way about Eureka. (And all those Scottish books on that old thread I revived.)

You've made my day Ni*tsuh.

david h(0wie), Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And - The Eel is good too. Quite like Eureka in its second half sombre introspection. Also good: In The Realm of the Senses.

david h(0wie), Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, lots of good suggestions here, except no one has mentioned Kon Ichikawa. An Actor's Revenge is a masterpiece. Annoyingly, after seeing this maybe ten years ago I have kept an eye open for a chance to see more by him, without luck.

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Battle royale! Come on!

Matt, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Just saw Rintaro's "Metropolis" at the IFF, & I haven't felt like glomping a movie in years (well, two). One of the best cities-as- protagonist, & I have a weak spot for at least four of the characters. Also, the obligatory apocalypse was very, very pretty. & so sad, (cry).

Kurosawa a stunning director - I think I've sought out & seen more films by him than anyone else. "Ikiru"'s my favourite - heh, it's a shame the west tends to get fixated on his period pieces (which are also amazing, but still) . . .

I'm surprised that Yasujiro Ozu isn't more well known (well, he's known but he's revered at home) outside Japan- "Tokyo Story" & "Umarete Wa Mita Keredo" (usually translated as either "Although I Was Born . . . " or "I Was Born But . . .") convey some vague, terrifying humanity (& the latter is the best film-from-perspective- of-small-child made, probably).

(& the usual suspects - "Akira", "Princess Mononoke", "Ghost In The Shell", & the two "Tetsuo" films seethe).

Ess Kay, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Martin, you are in luck since in August the NFT are running a Kon Ichikawa season - pretty much all his films. I'll certainly be picking up a couple.

Pete, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what did david h mean about no thanks to me?? (sorry, if i've forgotten something terribly important)

I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN PRINCESS MONONOKE. Is there/has there been showings of his new film yet? (something like "wandering spirits" - can't recall right now)

Alan T, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, sorry Alan - just I'm starting at Bishopbriggs HarperCollins distribution division and I remember vaguely jokingly chiding you into harrying internals into rushing my application through. Nothing serious meant by it obv.

david h(0wie), Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooh, thanks Pete - I shall look into this ASAP.

And Ozu makes it hard for me to remember if I've seen a particular film, since every other one is called 'Late Spring' or 'Early Autumn' or 'That Bit Just Before Winter When All The Leaves Have Finally Fallen But It's Not That Cold Yet' or something like that.

Martin Skidmore, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
have you ever seen mizoguchi´s 'sansho dayu', "street of shame' or 'life of oharu'? what about naruse´s 'when a woman ascends the stairs' or ozu´s 'tokyo story'? are you familiar with shindo´s 'robo no ishii' or kitano´s 'kids return'?
calling japanese films terrible is terrible wrong!

michael zZzz, Sunday, 6 October 2002 06:53 (eighteen years ago) link

By the way, I saw 8 or 9 of the Ichikawa films in that season. None of them was as magnificent as An Actor's Revenge, but all of them were strange and wonderful films. Ten Dark Women may have been the pick of the bunch, I think.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 6 October 2002 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Takeshi's films i like. haven't seen any works from any other directors.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 6 October 2002 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Were the Gamera films Japanese or Korean?

I dunno, but it's kinda irrelevant, considering the universality of their wonderful theme song:

You are groovy Gamera
groovy, groovy Gamera

Betcha that Rock concert to stop pollution would've worked if they'd played that!

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 6 October 2002 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Kurasawa's Dode'skaden = classic
Is Rashomon Kurasawa? i think so, well another great one there.

is anyone familiar with Terayama's cinematic output?
(Emperor Tomatoketchup, where children rule the world and have grown ups as there slaves, and Throw away your books, go out into the streets! which is like a japanese Brecht protest film)

erik, Sunday, 6 October 2002 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Gamera is really neat, he is full of turtle meat, we've been eating GA-ME-RA!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 October 2002 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Rashomon was the Kurosawa that brought him to the attention of the west, for whatever that is worth. Still the best rain scenes ever.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 6 October 2002 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I saw Gohatto last night and loved it. I think I love Takeshi for all the reasons most people hate him (see Pete's initial post). I have Cruel Story Of Youth to watch tonight. *excited*

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

The Zaticoichi, The Blind Samurai film series are quite fun. IFC has been showing one every Saturday morning for months and I check out one from time to time.

Nothing like eating cornflakes and watching a blind masseuse take out a dozen people in a few seconds with a katana hidden in a cane.

earlnash, Monday, 28 April 2003 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Is the pacing annoyingly slow in english-dubbed anime films' dialogue sequences because japanese speech takes longer than english or am I imagining things?

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 28 April 2003 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Cruel Story of Youth is fucking incredible. Watch for the scene with the apple.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

have you ever seen mizoguchi´s 'sansho dayu', "street of shame' or 'life of oharu'?

Yes! Mizoguchi is less known than he should be. Other good films of his are "Sisters of the Gion", "The Story of the Last Chrysanthemums", "Women of the Night", "Miss Oyû", "Tales of Ugetsu", "Gion Festival Music", "The Woman of Rumour" and "The Tale of the Crucified Lovers".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 06:31 (eighteen years ago) link

;; I saw SPIRITED AWAY yesterday. finally.

Erik, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 06:53 (eighteen years ago) link

what everyone else said + kiyoshi kurosawa.

brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 07:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone name a particularly good japanese monster
movie I watched once that starred a giant human
that battled monsters? "Adventures of" may have
been in the title, and the power rangers bit his look.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Mizoguchi is the greatest director ever to walk the earth -- don't get me started.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought I was a Mizoguchi fan, a bit, but I confess I've not seen his giant monster movies.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The poignant tale of Mothra's young daughter, who is forced to become the mistress of a petty-bourgeois shop owner to support her younger sister. Soon, the shop owner dies and Mothrita is taken in by a brutal pimp. After she is beaten by the pimp, she returns to her sister and despairs of the plight of female Mothrites.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, yeah, of course. I saw that years ago, before any of you. I just forgot it for a minute.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

This is a nice piece on a Naruse film that won't be playing at the BFI melodrama fest. Will torrent.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 23 October 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link

went to give K(w)aidan a spin last night (hallowe'en and all) but the disk had discolouration over 10% of the surface and half of it wouldn't play (that's a MoC disk). the same thing is true of one of my BFI Ozu melodramas discs. they are stored in the original cases in a darkish room. and it's probably too late to send them back given that i've had them 4 years.

koogs, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:04 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

anyone seen any Yuzo Kawashima? Restorations in NYC:

https://www.japansociety.org/page/programs/film/yuzo-kawashima-x-ayako-wakao

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 December 2017 01:48 (three years ago) link

went to give K(w)aidan a spin last night (hallowe'en and all) but the disk had discolouration over 10% of the surface and half of it wouldn't play (that's a MoC disk). the same thing is true of one of my BFI Ozu melodramas discs. they are stored in the original cases in a darkish room. and it's probably too late to send them back given that i've had them 4 years.

I would almost bet that they would exchange them - everyone I've dealt with at Eureka/MoC/BFI has been outstandingly helpful. Heck, one guy at Eureka even located an unopened reviewer copy of the Late Mizoguchi set which was a year out of print - and then sold it to me at a discount because it wasn't part of the numbered edition.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 1 December 2017 02:49 (three years ago) link

yeah, i will. found another eureka disk with the same thing (Oni Baba), so that's 3 now. i should go through the others.

koogs, Friday, 1 December 2017 09:42 (three years ago) link

Bit of a shame that all the ILX world cinema threads (Japan, France, Italy) have why-are-these-films-shit titles.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 1 December 2017 16:52 (three years ago) link

why are these thread titles shit?

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Friday, 1 December 2017 17:02 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

Sword Of Doom - I really liked this until the ending because I've seen too many films where it ends with a haunted samurai freaking out and lashing out; such an interested situation is set up and feels kind of wasted. Nakadai's creepy smile is hilarious.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 28 May 2018 14:56 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

New Tsukamoto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISetFZ3-fI

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 December 2018 22:34 (two years ago) link

This YT site has quite a good selection of movies from the 1920s-40s.

http://www.youtube.com/user/modernrocksong/

MaresNest, Sunday, 30 December 2018 00:22 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

amazon uk has the BluRay version of The Human Condition trilogy for £15 at the moment (i paid £40 for the dvds a couple of years ago). it's 9.5 hours in total and i enjoyed it, same director as Kwaidan and Harakiri.

koogs, Monday, 14 January 2019 22:02 (two years ago) link

this is one of those classic ilx thread titles *chef kiss*

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 14 January 2019 22:03 (two years ago) link

I watched Sakuran by Mika Ninagawa yesterday, which is about a delinquent courtesan in 18th century Japan. The plot’s a bit eh but the visuals were stunning - lots of red, lots of beautiful goldfish and gorgeous clothes and hair. It’s based on a manga series which can be difficult to translate into a film.

I watched this a few weeks after watching Helter Skelter, a later film by the same director. I’d read the manga this one was based on and it’s a favourite so I really enjoyed it. Again, it’s visually stunning but it handles the themes of the source material really well and it’s a better piece. It’s not quite as full-on on the body horror as the book, but it’s a really faithful adaptation. It’s got a great cast as well and is well worth your time.

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 23:15 (two years ago) link

I'm looking for recommendations for some good, gritty 70s cinema, Action/Thriller/Yakuza/Crime/Avant/Samurai, that kind of thing, thanks!

MaresNest, Friday, 25 January 2019 21:39 (two years ago) link

not really my era but...

https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2011/12/the-25-best-yakuza-movies/26

that last one, Yakusa Papers, is the one i see recommended most frequently.

koogs, Friday, 25 January 2019 21:58 (two years ago) link

dang, 25 yakuza flicks and no seijun suzuki! i've only seen tokyo drifter and branded to kill by him but i recommend if you're ok with something a little weird! (that list def doesn't have a problem with "weird" if it has fuckin dead or alive on it)

suggest boban (Will M.), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:25 (two years ago) link

oh fuck there is a suzuki film my bad. i'm new to reading

suggest boban (Will M.), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:33 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

anyone know these '58-61 'new wave' films in a NY retro?

https://www.japansociety.org/page/programs/film/the-other-japanese-new-wave

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 17:18 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Can we do something about this lousy thread title, or start a new one?

Anyway, what a series in NYC, Oct-Nov

https://filmforum.org/series/shitamachi-tales-of-downtown-tokyo

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 15:39 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.diabolikdvd.com/product/solid-metal-nightmares/
Brilliant Shinya Tsukamoto box set for americans/region A viewers

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 2 February 2020 01:34 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

The UK equivalent is smaller as Third Window already has a bunch of his films on bluray
http://thirdwindowfilms.com/films/tsukamoto-killing-haze-denchu-kozo/

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:28 (one year ago) link

I’ve no idea which geographies this will work for but the travelling Japan Film Festival has some Japanese indie movies streaming for free. Haven’t watched any of them yet.

https://www.japanesefilmfest.org/streaming/

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:32 (one year ago) link

I feel like this thread title is a classic early-ILX challop, we deserve to be reminded of it

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:34 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

anyone seen any Yuzo Kawashima? Restorations in NYC:

https://www.japansociety.org/page/programs/film/yuzo-kawashima-x-ayako-wakao🕸

There have been some of these on MUBI recently. Finally started watching one, seemed pretty good. There is one more left, maybe supposed to be his best.

Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 April 2020 13:34 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

The UK Shinya Tsukamoto set from Third Window

Adventure Of Denchu Kozo - I think this is his second officially released film and I wasn't sure I'd ever see it. It's about a boy with an electric pole in his back time traveling and fighting vampires in the future. It's very of its time, lots of goth and cyberpunk imagery, post-punk soundtrack and the techniques used in the first two Tetsuo films.

Haze - Nice to know more people will be seeing this now. I've seen it a few times and this time I watched it with commentary (trusting that the normal audio probably works). It's a claustrophobic nightmare and I wonder why more people haven't attempted things like this. Probably his most ambiguous film, Tom Mes helps us by pointing out clues about buddhist hell (if I remember correctly) and japanese folklore. I never guessed any of this but always loved it anyway.

Killing - Some are calling it a deconstructionist Samurai film. Think about the samurai recruiting from Seven Samurai being much smaller, bleaker and leading straight to disaster. It's a normal length film but feels like a short film; pretty good.
Musician Chu Ishikawa died during the making of the film so Tsukamoto explored his unreleased archives and found appropriate pieces to complete the soundtrack and it completely works. Sad that this will be their last film together, unless Tsukamoto decides to keep utilizing what Ishikawa has left behind.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2020 22:28 (one year ago) link

Region A only, hope that means a UK release because I have an old Region 1 dvd

https://www.mondo-macabro.com/mondo-macabro-blu-ray-limited-edition/gemini-limited-edition.html

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2020 22:39 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

https://thebedlamfiles.com/film/the-enchantment/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo3cxt3D89o
Pretty good, one scene particularly reminiscent of Hitchcock's Marnie. The whole channel is worth checking out, I've always wanted to see Tokiwa and Crazy Family (which might have a chance on bluray in the coming years but I'd probably buy it) and I'll probably watch them in the next two weeks.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 30 November 2020 18:09 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

The Crazy Family is okay, it's quite funny, the soundtrack is good and I'm almost certain that it was a big influence on Visitor Q, but it seems longer than it should be to me.
I've found Ishii a very diverse director and my enjoyment of his films has been very variable. Some of his fans seem to really dislike Isn't Anyone Alive? but that was probably my favorite, surprisingly enjoyable for a film with so much dicking around and the hilarious cassette message justifies the whole thing.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:10 (seven months ago) link

four months pass...

I need help, film experts! I'm remembering a movie that has a crane shot of an old fashioned movie palace early in the movie. A sort of omniscient narrator is addressing the audience as a character outside of the movie theater. I think that this introduction is a frame and a pretext to go back in time to begin the story. I'm not sure if the metacinema motifs continue.

The movie might be Japanese. It shares some of the style of certain movies directed by Juzo Itami or Nobuhiko Obayashi. To me, it looks like it's from the late 80s or the 90s, recalling movies from an earlier time period.

I might have the decade and the country wrong, but I don't think I do.

bamcquern, Friday, 30 April 2021 00:37 (three months ago) link

I think it's Sada!

bamcquern, Friday, 30 April 2021 00:57 (three months ago) link

Definitely Sada! This old Variety review confirms it. I liked this movie and you should watch it if you haven't.

Meanwhile, I'm watching Obayashi's Labyrinth of Cinema on Mubi, which is why the opening from Sada got stuck in my head in the first place!

bamcquern, Friday, 30 April 2021 01:08 (three months ago) link

why are Mizoguchi Blu Rays so hard to come by in UK, I want to watch Genroku Chushingura :(
just look at this shit https://www.amazon.co.uk/Late-Mizoguchi-BLU-RAY-Masters-Cinema/dp/B00EZT3KYA

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 30 April 2021 02:38 (three months ago) link

i have the dvd version of that, was £36 in 2011.

also have the 47 Ronin thing you mention, again dvd, bought on eBay from Korea, based on the packaging. it was quite cheap but looks legit.

koogs, Friday, 30 April 2021 04:38 (three months ago) link

I *think* the bulk of that Mizoguchi box set can be gotten on the Eureka 'Masters of Cinema' series, which are DVD only (kind of a twofer deal) but they were still individually expensive, iirc I paid through the nose for Akasen Chitai.

Maresn3st, Friday, 30 April 2021 10:12 (three months ago) link

the dvd version is just a box made up of the 4 twofers, identical packaging even (i had sansho dayo and then bought the box).

i think the BRs weren't available individually (i never buy BRs if i have a choice so i may be wrong there). and the box design is different - the original dvd box design made it a bit more obvious it was MoC.

koogs, Friday, 30 April 2021 10:23 (three months ago) link

Even that Artificial Eye Mizoguchi Blu-Ray box that I would see all the time is up to over £120, in some places.

Maresn3st, Friday, 30 April 2021 10:32 (three months ago) link

(i have that one too!)

yeah, it's maddening when there's the odd film that's out of print. i reckon if you're patient they'll be available again in some form, sooner or later. i mean they must look at the prices and can see the demand.

like Tokyo Olympiad is newly avialable, and Black Rain, albeit as part of a 3 disk box where i already have the other two... still waiting on Story Of A Tenement Gentleman and The Idiot.

koogs, Friday, 30 April 2021 11:30 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

Just SOME of the great films we'll be putting out on bluray over the next year...
Watch this space! pic.twitter.com/3USyI0WZai

— Third Window Films (@thirdwindow) July 20, 2021

Finally we get Crazy Thunder Road!

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 18:17 (one week ago) link

lol, I've never opened this thread because I didn't realize y'all were celebrating Opposite Day up in here. Gonna have to gather my thoughts now.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 July 2021 16:46 (one week ago) link

there's a whole series of these threads - why are french films terrible, why are italian films terrible - and they get revived to talk abt those national cinemas, can't say it's my fave ILX running gag

(especially as I had posted that Third Window info in the boutique blu ray thread)

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 22 July 2021 16:49 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I've ignored every one of those threads because I thought they were just full of stupid + blinkered opinions. We clearly need to step up our marketing acumen, people.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 July 2021 16:52 (one week ago) link

Ooh, I've wanted to check out Funky Forest for a while now, it looks ridiculous.

I agree that bumping "why are x films terrible" to discuss cinema from different countries isn't a great idea, but it seems to happen a fair amount. Start new threads with better titles, people!

emil.y, Thursday, 22 July 2021 17:01 (one week ago) link

> why are french films terrible

the french film title is actually funny, expecially if you do it in the accent and with a little shrug.

French films are shit. Porquoi?

still annoyed about lack of cheap region 2 copies of tokyo olympiad. the timing is ideal

koogs, Thursday, 22 July 2021 17:19 (one week ago) link

Could rename the threads but I'm kind of attached to the "why are british films shit?" title despite liking a lot of them.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 22 July 2021 17:34 (one week ago) link

Nihon no eiga wa warui desu. Nan de?

a cad, a bounder, a rotter, a really bad sort (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 July 2021 17:46 (one week ago) link

bet that's wrong

a cad, a bounder, a rotter, a really bad sort (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 July 2021 17:46 (one week ago) link

I'm always against renaming threads unless it's a correction, an addition (e.g. an RIP) or removing something offensive. It makes the older parts of the thread less comprehensible, and I also have an attachment to keeping ilx history preserved where possible.

emil.y, Thursday, 22 July 2021 17:52 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaOz48cq2g

Maresn3st, Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:05 (one week ago) link

Nihon no eiga wa warui desu. Nan de?

I'd probably use "ga" instead of "wa" just to make it flow better, and "doushite" or "naze" are more often used for a singular "why?"

clouds, Thursday, 22 July 2021 18:53 (one week ago) link


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