Takeshi Kitano

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I just saw Hana-bi for the first time in a long while and was bowled over again... I remember loving Sonatine a lot too. so, um, discuss how beautiful this movie is or other things he's done... did anyone see that movie he did with omar epps?

dave k, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

also if anyone knows anything about his supposed career as japanese stand-up, talk-show host, etc, i'd be curious to hear about it.

dave k, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He's restricting his TV career -- now he only does one show a day!

Actually, in Japan he was always a stand-up comedian and TV host. He surprised a lot of people here when he started making films.

His son is actually a huge Momus fan, and we were supposed to meet for dinner recently, but I had to postpone it.

Momus, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Possibly somewhere there is a site dedicated to low-key Momus rock n' roll-ish anecdotes. I have yet to look for it.

Matt, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have only seen Fireworks. It was good, if a bit too abtruse. Slo-mo + sentimentalism + violence = great?

Ryan, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

His nickname Beat Takeshoi comes form his pewriod as one of the double act "The Two Beats". He really is ubiquitous on Japanese TV - I saw about three hours tops whilst I was over there and he popped up at least two times. Its weird seeing him smile.

I think a loty of his stuff is over-rated - but Hana-bi and Sonatine are the best of a variable bunch.

Pete, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I love the way he can go from dippy pastoral prettiness (like the beach ball scene in Sonatine) to brutal death'n'murder without skipping a 'beat' (ho) or pausing for breath.

misterjones, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

TAMPOPO!!!!!!!

Tim, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What about Tampopo?

Pete, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My favorite scene in sonatine is that fake gunfight with those sparkler-cannons... really gorgeous... my understanding of his tv persona was that he was a sort of jerry-springer-style host, which again strikes me as pretty odd. i think my mind would explode if jerry springer started making spare, moody art pieces.

dave k, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
http://office-kitano.co.jp/zatoichi/trailer_main.html
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0363226

Kitano as blind swordsman? Musical numbers?! OMG WTF

Sommermute (Wintermute), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

It doesn't sound as good as Blind Fury with Rutger Hauer.

gobemouche, Friday, 15 August 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

funny~a friend was telling me how much i would like his movies last ngight. he was going on & on & i finally had to say "i do not want my clean towel to be stolen from the landromat, i must go now bye"

kephm, Friday, 15 August 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

...whatever name of the show is (on comedy central I would guess) that plays Japanese game shows with oh-so-hilarious English overdubs = crap: during one of the non-action bits, (ie a skit, not ppl flung into pools of glue or whatever) one the players was Takeshi. doubtless he was funnier than his ho ho 'translation', and I don't know a word of Japanese.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:04 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I heard about his Zatoichi remake. Also, he's working with Takashi Miike on another project.

I kind of suspect that he's out of steam. Brother was mostly terrible, Dolls mostly got terrible notices (the reviews I trust most had little good to say about it)....

My favorite Kitano film is, by far, A Scene at the Sea.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

Are you guys familiar with the long series of Zatoichi films that came out in the 1960s? Some of them are pretty great, and a few are on DVD.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder if Kitano's Zatoichi will be a genuine comedy (like the 1960s films) or a comedy a la Kitano (like Boiling Point, complete with anal rapes and so on).

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Revive!

I finally saw 'Dolls' last night and while I was seriously considering turning it off for the first 45 minutes, I am now thinking of buying the DVD.
Slightly corny and maybe over-aesthetic, but the four seasons across Japan angle somehow mesmerized me.

Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't know Boiling Point had anal rapes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 08:14 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I watched Kikujiro last night. So beautiful. I laughed, I cried. The comedy reminded me of Kaurismaki - the slow, deadpan way the jokes pan out - but more slapstick. Some of it reminds me of Chaplin: The Kid would be your obvious reference point. But I don't really like mawkish Chaplin, whereas the sentimentality in this was also slow, deadpan. I love the way Kitano uses his own face, those static shots of him and the boy staring into the camera like a caricature of inscrutability when in fact what you're getting is a slew of contradictory emotions all at once.

I love this man so much.

Excelsior Syndrum (noodle vague), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:01 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Takeshis = awesome. totally baffled as to why this never got any decent US press and/or I never heard of it when it was released. It definitely has his unique stamp on it but it's like his version of Mulholland Drive/Inland Empire crossed with Taxi Driver/King of Comedy. Lots of beautiful imagery, clever editing, constant blending of fantasy with reality, a bit of a meta-commentary on celebrity, violence, and identity. Genius.

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 February 2009 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link

musical number with giant dancing caterpillar and DJ mixing/scratching a woman's breasts

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 February 2009 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link

endless scenes of takeshit repeatedly shooting every other character in the movie in various combinations

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 February 2009 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link

actors in multiple roles

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 February 2009 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Have his last three even made it to DVD in the US?

Alex in SF, Monday, 2 February 2009 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Zatoichi definitely did... pretty sure about Kikujiro too, cuz I rented that from Lost Weekend. Lost Weekend did NOT have "Takeshis'" tho, and I had to order it from Amazon and it is definitely not a US release (box and menus are all in Japanese). Criminal this guy doesn't have US distro.

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 February 2009 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link

His son is actually a huge Momus fan, and we were supposed to meet for dinner recently, but I had to postpone it.

max, Monday, 2 February 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

oh wait I see he's already made two other films after this, as part of some trilogy

wow wtf

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 February 2009 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link

i saw a theatrical adaptation of Dolls a few days ago. It was pretty good.

Gukbe, Monday, 2 February 2009 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link

God fucking damn, I remember when C4 screened some of his movies, it served as a pretty big intro into 'foreign' film. Its curious that no one could bother to screen his latest ones, apart from 'Zaitoichi'.

Was 'Dolls' given a cinematic screening over in the UK? Pretty sure none of these 'new' ones have...fuck changing fashions and all that blah.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 2 February 2009 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

the woman who wrote the stage version saw a screening of it in glasgow in 2002, though I don't know if that was a proper release or some one-off special.

Gukbe, Monday, 2 February 2009 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think Dolls was released at all here in the US. Basically if it doesn't involve him playing a yakuza, apparently no one in America cares.

Courtney Love's Jew Loan Officer (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 February 2009 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link

ach, i didn't know there were so many newer films of his I hadn't seen.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Monday, 2 February 2009 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Watching Takeshis just now, this is good, going to track down the other two films in this trilogy.

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Achilles and the Tortoise is a good film until Takeshi turns up half way through.

zappi, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link

love this guy

Pre-Beatles Yoko Ono (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

i really like the way he makes fun of his yakuza films in this when he shoots the cicadas and then his girlfriend on the Okinawa film set.

Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

so he made another yakuza movie - just came out on DVD. anyone seen it?

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

Watching Takeshis just now, this is good, going to track down the other two films in this trilogy.

Takeshis is great, hilarious self-parody. how are the other two...? have found some of his comedies inexplicable, I'm just not familiar enough with the cultural references

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

takeshis is probably the best of his recent films. outrage is a bore, mostly.

his great films were all made 1990–94, basically. to me it's a downhill slide from there, with a few films (fireworks, kikujiro) much better than the others.

scene at the sea and boiling point 4eva.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

i think getting any is hilarious even without understanding all of the references of japanese popular culture. and i don't find it as anomolous as most critics do -- they saw it as this art-film guy making a zucker-abrahams-zucker movie or something. but i see a lot of stylistic and thematic traits in common with e.g. boiling point and sonatine.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

his great films were all made 1990–94, basically. to me it's a downhill slide from there, with a few films (fireworks, kikujiro) much better than the others.

not really gonna disagree with this, fireworks and kikujiro def best of the "later period" I guess. altho I did think zatoichi was a lot of fun.

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

eight months pass...

'outrage' is pretty great, still retains a lot of the humor from his films but it's downplayed a bit (and the quieter, peaceful passages from something like 'sonatine' or 'fireworks' are gone) and the viciousness is amped up a lot. some pretty gruesome shit, and also this isn't a movie for those who fear going to the dentist. i did like the super-cruel "joke" played on one of the lead characters near the end when he's just "going for a ride."

sug ones (omar little), Friday, 16 November 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

"Outrage" was pretty solid, although a little more monotonous and one-note than some of his more nuanced yakuza outings. at a certain point I got tired of yet another meeting of guys in suits that ends with someone being beaten up/shot/tortured. Yakuzas sure take a lot of meetings. Anyone seen the sequel?

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link

I really liked Beyond Outrage, haven't seen the first one. It's nice and slow and methodical, until finally it explodes. Filmed really good, lots of great scenes and shots.

Frederik B, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link

his films always look great. he has a penchant for making Japan look/feel like a very quiet, lonely place

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 January 2014 22:24 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

Haha

Οὖτις, Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link

there's something terrifingly real about takeshi kitano's trump pic.twitter.com/S8QxlBXCDr

— ▀▀▀▀▀▀ (@immolations) September 8, 2016

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:19 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

Watching “Beyond Outrage” now. (I watched the first one Sunday.)

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link

The crooked police detective in these movies is such a slimy dick

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 00:38 (two years ago) link

I like the Outrage films. Very by the numbers yakuza stuff but it works.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 10:15 (two years ago) link

i should watch them. theyre not particularly highly rated. feel like takeshi used to have a lot of "world cinema" cred and has sort of faded - starting with takeshis

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link

Watching the third one now.

It’s astonishing how much really dumb mistakes fuel the action in these movies, just what seems like total amateur hour stuff from people who should know better

But that’s how real life is too right

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 20:04 (two years ago) link

Crosses, double crosses, damn

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 21:03 (two years ago) link

Maybe it’s dumb to talk yakuza business in bars and restaurants, dudes

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

yeah, keep it to the scruffy looking office buildings that you own perhaps for tax reasons?

i should watch them. theyre not particularly highly rated. feel like takeshi used to have a lot of "world cinema" cred and has sort of faded - starting with takeshis

Don't think there's much in the Outrage series for world cinema fans to enjoy frankly, it's genre cinema for genre fans, while his 90's yakuza stuff always had an artsier vibe. I would judge decline of interest to have started with his US film Brother?

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 5 August 2021 09:32 (two years ago) link

i like to think Takeshi just doesn't care

i wish i had cuck feet (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 5 August 2021 10:35 (two years ago) link

It’s hard for me to compare these to other Japanese cinema because I haven’t seen much up to now. (And these are the first yakuza movies I’ve ever seen.)

The frost two Outrage movies are on Kanopy and I stumbled on them over the weekend while fishing for something unknown to watch.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 5 August 2021 11:15 (two years ago) link

i like to think Takeshi just doesn't care

Oh, I'm certain he doesn't! Sucks for us that it's more difficult to access his stuff tho.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 5 August 2021 11:25 (two years ago) link

oh yeah very much so

i wish i had cuck feet (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 5 August 2021 12:07 (two years ago) link

oh yeah, he definitely doesnt care, and more power to him.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 5 August 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link

Now, “Hana-bi”.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 August 2021 00:40 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

i liked this anecdote:

I once heard a story from Japan. One day, a taxi driver met a middle-aged male passenger. After getting in the car, the passenger pointed to the Porsche in front of them and asked, “Isn’t that car beautiful?”

The taxi driver said, “That goes without saying. Porsches are obviously beautiful!” Looking extremely pleased, the passenger then said, “That’s my car!”

The driver responded with confusion, “If it’s your car, then why aren’t you driving it?”

The passenger said, “Are you stupid or what! If I were driving it, how would I be able to appreciate its beauty?”

This passenger was, in fact, the famous actor Kitano Takeshi. As it turned out, Takeshi, in all his fame and riches, had purchased the newest model of Porsche but had become saddened by his inability to see himself proudly driving the car. Only then did he think of having a friend drive his car while he took a taxi; this way, he could see his elegant Porsche.

beat takeshi, confirmed car cuck?

, Monday, 8 July 2024 13:56 (one week ago) link

I love that story

beamish13, Monday, 8 July 2024 15:23 (one week ago) link


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