Why are there so few female film directors?

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its kinda weird

Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

There are some prominent ones, e.g.,Sofia Coppola.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

if women are socialized to be looked at, maybe it's unsurprising that they don't choose/aren't chosen to do the looking

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah that would explain the dearth of female artists, authors and photographers as well

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

maybe it's rampant entrenched sexism in the film industry

just sayin

Swat Valley High (goole), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

artists, authors and photographers are not managers

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

I know there are a handful active in the Hollywood system (Taymor, Campion, etc.) but the percentages are ridiculously low, especially compared to other creative professions.

Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

do adult men and women predominate among the subject matter of female photographers the way they do in the movies?

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

who is that in the photo, Allison Anders?

lolz who's gonna rep for Penny Marshall

Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Sofia Coppola of course has family connections

many prominent female directors seem to come from other countries

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

who is that in the photo, Allison Anders?

Mira Nair

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

Kelly Reichardt

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

Kathryn Bigelow!

Simon H., Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

do adult men and women predominate among the subject matter of female photographers the way they do in the movies?

? cindy sherman, nan goldin, mary ellen mark, annie liebovitz, jodi cobb. . . .

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

I can think of a few reasons:

* Film directing is probably considered a more "technical" (and hence stereotypically more masculine) way of doing art than, for example, painting or dancing. Especially since a lot if not most movie directors start by doing all the technical stuff like editing and shooting themselves, before their career reaches a point where they can hire others to do it.

* Making a movie requires a lot more financial backing, know-how, networking, etc, than painting or writing poems, for example. You've got a better chance of getting all that if you're a member of the Boys' Club.

* A film director is kinda like a CEO, and people stereotypically trust male leaders better than female leaders.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

cindy sherman takes pictures of herself

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

yah--she's an adult woman tho and that's what you were asking about

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

of Que's list, only Liebovitz would seem to act as a 'director' of straight men in her work, and she does, or originally did, so under the auspices of a male institution (often devoted to puffing up (sometimes gender-bending) men)

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

all of them take pictures of adult men and women

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think you'll find many of the artistic positions that are more like "leader of a group" than "a solitary artist" to be male dominated: classical conductors, band leaders, theatre directors, etc. That's because in "solitary arts" a women can just say "Screw you!" to all the gender stereotypes and do whatever she wants, whereas with "group arts" you have to depend on financial and social backing from others, so the stereotypes are harder to ignore.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

Women don't belong behind a camera – they belong behind a hot plate.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'd have to guess that Nancy Meyers (The Parent Trap, What Women Want, Something's Gotta Give, The Holiday) is one of the most successful woman directors these days, box-office-wise.

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

mimi leder
claire denis
catherine breillat

blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:15 (ten years ago) Permalink

lol thread is all mangs posting

cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

Especially since a lot if not most movie directors start by doing all the technical stuff like editing

Editing seems to be a a pretty female friendly profession in the film industry

Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

Thelma Schoonmaker, yo.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

Jill Sprecher
Susan Streitfeld

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

Much more common than camera, errrrrrrr, persons for instance!

Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

Susan Seidelman
Sarah Polley

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

Belladonna

cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

lols I am gross-o

cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Not that bad a representation when compared to, say, being a music producer or conducting an orchestra

Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Lisa Cholodenko

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Julie Delpy
Robin Swicord
Kasi Lemmons
Nicole Holofcener
Nancy Meyers

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

Good we have named a whole bunch of people found thru google searches that hardly anyone wld be familiar with; glass ceiling broken.

cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

Callie Khouri

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

i like that this has turned into "name whatever female directors u can think of off the top of your head"

s1ocki, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

amy heckerling

blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

That was always going to happen (xp)

Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

xpost Yeah, are we just naming female directors now? Doesn't prove anything, but OK:

Agnes Varda
Mary Harron
Kimberly Peirce
Lynne Ramsay

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

whole bunch of people found thru google searches that hardly anyone wld be familiar with

sorry, no

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

it proves that there are not zero female film directors.

s1ocki, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

wtf is naming female film directors proving, exactly?

Lamp, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

it proves that there are not zero female film directors.

s1ocki, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

asia argento

blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

maybe we're not proving anything ;)

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

ida lupino

blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

The usual disclaimer--don't actually make use of this--but it's up on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eKcUjFHiw

clemenza, Sunday, 12 April 2015 12:57 (four years ago) Permalink

directorial fiasco of latest Wonder Woman film

"To translate all of that into English: Since studio development executives are now asked to be property managers rather than movie developers, not many of them are capable of sitting down and talking about what a story should be. And none of them wants to risk his neck by committing early to the wrong choice. So, like many modern-day blockbusters, Wonder Woman will be developed via the monkeys-at-typewriters approach: Let's have a bunch of different people write different Wonder Woman scripts, pick the parts that we sort of like better than the others, proceed to humiliate the 'winning' writers by asking them to interpolate the stuff from the 'losing' scripts that we also kind of liked, let the WGA work out the credits and mop up the blood and tears, sew everything together, and sell the resulting Frankenmovie to an audience we will have programmed (via an incessant drumbeat of teasers, trailers, and post-credit sequences) to show up for whatever this thing turns out to be. That certainly sounds like every writer and director's dream."

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/wonder-woman-michelle-maclaren-female-hollywood-directors/

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 15:35 (four years ago) Permalink

maybe it's rampant entrenched sexism in the film industry

just sayin

― Swat Valley High (goole), Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:29 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mh, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 15:43 (four years ago) Permalink

"durational" is a horrible word

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 15:51 (four years ago) Permalink

fair is fair

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 16:40 (four years ago) Permalink

http://shitpeoplesaytowomendirectors.tumblr.com/

new noise, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 18:17 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

A list from a female film collective:

http://bitchmagazine.org/post/female-film-directors-put-together-a-list-of-must-see-movies-made-by-women

Some obvious omissions, as with any list.

clemenza, Friday, 10 July 2015 22:13 (three years ago) Permalink

'Europa, Europa' by Agnieszka Holland

tayto fan (Michael B), Friday, 10 July 2015 22:44 (three years ago) Permalink

The ones that jumped out for me were Ackerman's Jeanne Dielman, Amy Heckerling's Fast Times and Clueless, Barbara Kopple's Harlan County, USA, Maya Deren's Meshes of the Afternoon, and Dorothy Arzner's Dance, Girl, Dance. Anyway, it seems pretty informal, and not meant to be textbook complete.

clemenza, Friday, 10 July 2015 22:49 (three years ago) Permalink

im doubling-down on cholodenko after the olive kitteridge series fyi

johnny crunch, Friday, 10 July 2015 22:52 (three years ago) Permalink

if women are socialized to be looked at, maybe it's unsurprising that they don't choose/aren't chosen to do the looking

― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:26 PM (6 years ago)

sure don't miss this guy

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:09 (three years ago) Permalink

Holofcener is missing too, but the lack of Ackerman is cray-cray

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:10 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought of something that isn't on the list

the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:13 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought of another thing.

e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I thought of Your Mom.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 10 July 2015 23:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Aren't surprising omissions/inclusions the beginning and end of whatever interest lists like these have? If you're not interested in the lists to begin with, then of course the particulars of what's on there holds no interest. That would seem self-evident.

clemenza, Saturday, 11 July 2015 02:46 (three years ago) Permalink

From the article
After the show came out, a couple listeners had the same question: So, what are some recent female-directed films we should be seeking out? To put together a list of current women-directed films, I turned to Film Fatales, a collective of women film directors who support each other and collaborate on projects. The Film Fatales asked their members in New York and LA for their recent favorite films helmed by a female director and for older films that have inspired their work.

It sounds like the target of the list was not fans of lists, but people looking for recent movies directed by women

da croupier, Saturday, 11 July 2015 12:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Of course--there's always the intent, primary or secondary, explicit or implicit, that, "If you're interested in this, start here." Just responding to the surprise/derision above that people looking at such lists might then discuss what they see as omissions. And, as I posted, discussing them does not mean you view those omissions as a big deal; historical completeness was clearly not the goal here.

clemenza, Saturday, 11 July 2015 13:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Curious omission
Posted by JonTheDad (not verified) on July 9, 2015 - 11:00am
I'm surprised Hurt Locker didn't make this list. Any reason why?

REPLY

1staethyr, Saturday, 11 July 2015 17:38 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Saw Dorothy Arzner's Dance, Girl, Dance sometime in the '80s--first read about it in one of those Danny Peary cult books--and it always stayed in my mind. Looking at it tonight, the first half-hour's a little clunky, but it really picks up once Lucille Ball gets her Tiger Lily engagement. Maureen O'Hara's big speech is pretty great, as is the ending, and a throwaway name-joke that came back to me immediately.

clemenza, Friday, 28 August 2015 02:40 (three years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

http://moviemezzanine.com/women-directed-films-home-media/

, Thursday, 31 March 2016 22:33 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

The Lightbox has an Ida Lupino series this summer, including four of the films she directed.

http://www.tiff.net/#series=ida-lupino-independent-woman

clemenza, Thursday, 25 May 2017 01:49 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

A local video store (long-standing, and one of about three left in the city) evidently started a "films for free" series recently, and they've got a long list of female-directed films as a subset of that.

http://www.baystreetvideo.com/films_for_free_list.php

clemenza, Friday, 14 July 2017 15:07 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Forgot to acknowledge the centenary of Ida Lupino, born 100 years ago last Sunday. I saw her film Outrage last week; despite the strictures of the Code ("rape" is not uttered, though that's what it's about), it's a solid, haunting psychological drama.

http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/great-directors/ida-lupino/

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/why-ida-lupino-was-such-a-groundbreaker-for-women-in-sci-fi

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 16:34 (one year ago) Permalink

good articles

Nhex, Tuesday, 6 February 2018 17:04 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

btw someone on Letterboxd made a list of 3806 female-directed films. I've seen 204 of them.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Barbara Loden’s son Marco Joachim shared this picture from the tour his mother did to screen her 1970 independent film WANDA. She is not only the star, but she also wrote and directed the film. Marco will share stories 8/10 at the WANDA show at Egyptian. Screens August 10-12. pic.twitter.com/QHA9guqvYr

— AmericanCinematheque (@SidGrauman) August 9, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 15:11 (ten months ago) Permalink

I hear there's talk of a Criterion edition of Wanda coming some time soonish.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 10 August 2018 15:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

huh - never heard of this! sounds interesting

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 August 2018 15:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

you can bet on it, Ward, per the Janus Films copy re the NY revival.

http://metrograph.com/film/film/790/wanda

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 15:35 (ten months ago) Permalink

Shakey, there's a serviceable print of Wanda on YouTube, last time I looked. It's not a film where visual pleasure is paramount, but it would still be good to have a dece physical copy out there.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 10 August 2018 15:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

I'll rent the criterion when it comes out

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 August 2018 15:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

The guy who put out a "Directed by Elaine May" T-shirt a couple of years ago has moved on to "Directed by Barbara Loden" T-shirts.

http://phildellio.tripod.com/loden.jpg

clemenza, Friday, 10 August 2018 16:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

been hearing a lot about Wanda in the last month, trailer looked good. "an American Jeanne Dielman" sounds great

flappy bird, Friday, 10 August 2018 16:53 (ten months ago) Permalink

it's a lot shorter...

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 17:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

Watched Wanda around the time of the road movie poll, it's fucking great.

emil.y, Friday, 10 August 2018 17:33 (ten months ago) Permalink

Btw Morbs I can't remember which thread you posted it in, but that female cinematographers season looked really good.

emil.y, Friday, 10 August 2018 17:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

Also, Wanda can't stand the heat, so she gets out of the kitchen.

clemenza, Friday, 10 August 2018 17:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

it was NY film snobs! series just ended at Lincoln Center

xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 17:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Caught a screening of Wanda yesterday, preceded by two 1975 shorts which are apparently the only other films directed by Barbara Loden. The Frontier Experience was quite excellent (she also plays the lead in it).

But... The Boy Who Liked Deer, just 18 minutes long, is perhaps the saddest film I've ever seen. If this was actually shown to school kids, that's incredible.

Josefa, Monday, 26 November 2018 22:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

would love to see that, has the recent Wanda restoration gotten a home video release? I saw it about a month ago, really great, a movie made by its final shot.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 03:21 (six months ago) Permalink

The Boy Who Liked Deer is on youtube, I see

Josefa, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 05:04 (six months ago) Permalink

Wanda is under the Janus Films umbrella, that means a CC eventually

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 05:21 (six months ago) Permalink

I watched The Boy Who Liked Deer tonight. It would make a good double bill with Cipher in the Snow.

tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 06:23 (six months ago) Permalink

xp crossing fingers for Kanopy access

Nhex, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 21:20 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm in no rush to revisit Wanda, but I'd love to see those shorts on a loaded Criterion (or other label) blu-ray disc.

I Feel Bad About My Butt (j.lu), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:43 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

re Wanda, Elia Kazan and...

Mel Brooks LEGEND pic.twitter.com/IZvkI4mvzp

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) January 9, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:18 (five months ago) Permalink

btw Criterion of Wanda drops March 19

https://www.criterion.com/films/29450-wanda

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:21 (five months ago) Permalink


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