quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

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it's a constant hellscape, m i rit guys?

http://i.imgur.com/N3L6Xr1.png

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link

I'm not even bothering to get around the paywall on this, the headline is a thread-locker:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/style/spending-rich-people.html

rob, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 13:57 (three years ago) link

fucking hell

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link

Bread lines grew longer, Birkin bags got hotter.

FUCK UUUUUUUU

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 14:02 (three years ago) link

ok dang I guess I should skirt the paywall that is really something

rob, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 14:04 (three years ago) link

For months I've been getting ads for the 'own .0000001% of a Banksy!' company and wondered who was stupid enough to buy in to that - apparently 28-year old VPs of marketing.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:10 (three years ago) link

Pokemon box CDOs will cause the next financial collapse

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:11 (three years ago) link

posting, hang on

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:31 (three years ago) link

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Rich people who shopped too much used to be called collectors. Now they — and those belonging merely to the aspirational class — are all investors.

It’s not just that they’ve spent the last year splurging on stakes in untested, newly formed public companies that have yet to produce products, much less profits. It’s that during the pandemic, seemingly every luxury acquisition has become a so-called alternative asset class.

Rather than elbowing past each other for reservations at the latest restaurants from Marcus Samuelsson and Jean-Georges Vongerichten, or getting into bidding wars for apartments at 740 Park Avenue, they are one-upping each other in online auctions for jewelry, watches, furniture, sports cards, vintage cars, limited-edition Nikes and crypto art.

Bread lines grew longer, Birkin bags got hotter.

A number of retailers were reticent to speak about the trend, stating that they did not wish to be on the record talking about nearly sold out $90,000 earrings during a time of growing wealth inequality.

John Demsey, the executive group president of the Estée Lauder Companies, voiced that concern even as he admitted a primary quarantine pastime.

“All I do is go through watch porn,” he said. “I’m selling watches, I’m buying watches. It’s crazy. I have no reason right now to buy a watch. I’m at home all day at a computer. Time is staring me right in the face. What reason do I have to look at my wrist? But I want a tangible sign of something, so I’m looking at watches.” And many other people are too.

Rolex Day-Dates that sold on the secondary market in 2020 for $30,000 are now going for upward of $50,000 on some resale sites. The Nautilus 5980, a rose gold chronograph sports watch from Patek Philippe that has a retail price of $85,000, can seldom be found on 47th Street for much less than $200,000.

One reason for surging prices, according to Benjamin Clymer, the editor of the watch site Hodinkee, is that “Switzerland shut down, so demand was there while the supply was dramatically reduced.”

But also, he said, “the wealthy that used to spend money on travel aren’t using it, so everything collectible is skyrocketing in value.”

That includes cars, a hobby that began for Mr. Clymer in 2011 and took off in 2015, when a multimillion-dollar strategic investment in Hodinkee helped transform him from blogger to mogul.

In the summer of 2020, Mr. Clymer went searching for a 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS.

One had sold shortly before the pandemic through the auction site Bring a Trailer (or BaT, as it’s known) for $560,000 but Mr. Clymer figured it might be a buyer’s market. Perhaps he could get it for less.

He found a beauty from a dealership that hadn’t listed the price on its website. It was in mint condition. Mr. Clymer asked for a quote and nearly fainted upon hearing the answer: $1.2 million.

“I said, ‘You’re crazy.’ Less than a month later it was sold.”

By Thanksgiving, auction houses were sending out news releases almost daily touting their record-breaking sales.

A pair of Conoid lounge chairs from the famed woodworker George Nakashima, which in 2019 commanded around $10,000, sold in October 2020 for $23,750 through the Chicago auction house Wright. A Mesa coffee table by T.H. Robsjohn Gibbings, a British architect whose name is barely known outside of the furniture world, brought in $237,500 in December; the overall result of the sale was $2.5 million, roughly double what the house did at the same sale a year before.

In February, a digital artwork of Donald Trump facedown in the grass, covered in words like “loser,” sold for $6.6 million, a record for a nonfungible token, or NFT, so called because there’s no physical piece for the buyer to take possession of.

Fittingly, the image was paid for in Ethereum, a form of cryptocurrency that, among millennials, is almost as well known as bitcoin. Two weeks later, Christie’s sold another NFT by Beeple, this time for $69 million.

The prices for the best vintage sports cards reached Warhol levels. In January, a 1952 Mickey Mantle was sold through PWCC Marketplace for $5.2 million. In March, Goldin Auctions, a sports collectible site, held its annual winter auction. “We grossed $45 million,” said Ken Goldin, the founder and C.E.O. “Last year, it was $4.7 million.”

One of Mr. Goldin’s repeat customers is Clement Kwan, the former president of Yoox Net-a-Porter and a founder of Beboe, an upscale line of cannabis vaporizers and edible pastilles that The New York Times has called “the Hermès of Marijuana.”

“Since the pandemic started, my financial portfolio has gone up 50 percent,” Mr. Kwan said from Miami last week. “My collectibles went up by 200.”

Mr. Kwan’s windfall came after learning in 2019 that a documentary about Michael Jordan was going to be released the following summer on Netflix. That led him to buy up sets of Mr. Jordan’s rookie cards at around $30,000 each. He also took a stake in Bleecker Trading, a bespoke sports memorabilia store in the West Village.

In May of 2020, Mr. Kwan sold a Jordan rookie card for nearly $100,000. By January, a particularly in-demand Jordan rookie card sold through Goldin for $738,000.

The renewed interest in Mr. Jordan extends to sneakers.

Last May, Ariana Peters — who, along with her sisters Dakota and Dresden Peters, owns what some believe is the most valuable sneaker collection in the world — had her biggest sale in five years of being in business: a pair of autographed 1985 Air Jordans that fetched $275,000.

In 2019, the sisters sold 572 pairs of sneakers, at prices that began at $500, Ariana Peters said in an interview. In 2020, they sold 879.

Ms. Peters actually sounded somewhat surprised talking about all this, perhaps because she and her sisters only got into the business because their father, a retired real estate developer named Douglas Roy Peters, bought so many pairs of sneakers they were running out of places to put them.

Those unprepared to shell out high sums for vintage collectibles are getting in on the action through recently established mutual funds.

Rally, an Android and iPhone app that sells fractional shares in everything from Rolex GMTs to dinosaur remains, had 100,000 users at the start of the pandemic and oversaw $12 million in inventory. Rob Petrozzo, its chief product officer and co-founder, said in an interview that the company now oversees $30 million of merchandise and has over 200,000 users. According to the company, the average age of a user is 28, and most are male.

The way the app works, investors buy, sell or trade their shares as if they were stocks. New product launches are actually called I.P.O.s.

“The equities space and the cryptocurrency space over the last couple years created really savvy investors who understand the dynamics of the market, so it’s a complement to their Coinbase accounts and their Robinhood accounts,” Mr. Petrozzo said

One of Mr. Petrozzo’s “investors” is Nicholas Abouzeid, the 24-year-old head of marketing at MainStreet, a 50-person firm that helps start-ups find and claim tax credits and incentives from the government.

On a recent afternoon, Mr. Abouzeid was talking over Zoom from the bedroom of his home in Woodbury, Conn. In his long-sleeved white T-shirt and wood framed glasses, he looked like any number of young white men who might work for Mark Zuckerberg or Josh Kushner. Behind him were shelves of memorabilia — super plastic toys, sealed Nintendo games from the ’90s and collectible Nike Sacai Waffle sneakers.

In the actual stock market, Mr. Abouzeid made last year what he described as “more than what somebody should make in a year,” buying and selling positions in high-growth technology companies such as Slack, Stitch Fix, Shopify and Fastly. “I’m in and out all the time,” he said.

He extracted much of his profits and put them into Pokémon collectibles.

On one level, it’s born of his nostalgia for the game, which he began playing in sixth grade. On another, it’s “an alternative asset class and a way to diversify,” as he put it.

His holy grail item is a first-edition “Booster Box” of Pokémon cards.

Upon its 1999 release, the set cost $110. In January, Heritage Auctions in Dallas sold one for $408,000.

Mr. Abouzeid doesn’t have that kind of money, but in a June 2020 “I.P.O.” from Rally, he purchased 125 “shares” of one at a price of $25 each.

They’re now worth $120 each, giving him a profit of around $13,500 (which is at least 300 percent more than he earned from his Slack holdings).

Jackson Moses, a colleague of Mr. Abouzeid’s at MainStreet, invests in biotech stocks and vintage whiskey. But Johnson & Johnson and Jack Daniel’s don’t interest him.

His Merrill Lynch account contains shares of companies like Sarepta Therapeutics, a maker of precision genetic medicines that treat rare neuromuscular and central nervous system diseases. His fridge is filled with rare, vintage Kacho Fugetsu.

“When my parents saw them in my apartment, they got really worried,” he said. “They said, ‘Is there something we need to talk about?’ But I don’t even open them.”

Earlier this month, when rising interest rates sent high-flying tech stocks into a tailspin, Kacho Fugetsu provided what Mr. Moses called “the perfect hedge.”

Of course, he’s aware that the ascent of his whiskey collection also could come to an end, but that at least has an upside. “Then I’ll finally have an excuse to drink it,” he said.

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link

“When my parents saw them in my apartment, they got really worried,” he said. “They said, ‘Is there something we need to talk about?’ But I don’t even open them.”

Son, Tory time

kinder, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link

Can’t believe the watch blog guy landed a million dollar payday

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link

Watch collecting is such a douchebag red flag.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link

I can understand buying one (1) unnecessarily expensive watch

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link

my friend who likes watches is fully a weirdo more so than a douchebag

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link

I can understand buying one (1) unnecessarily expensive watch

i sure definitly can't! it's 2021 who the fuck needs an expensive time piece?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:06 (three years ago) link

They’re neat. NB I don’t mean $30,000 I mean like $1,000

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:08 (three years ago) link

i’m buying a modded seiko for like £110 which feels insanely decadent to me

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link

lol people really do live in different worlds

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link

i'm into weird seiko stuff too

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link

I thought about getting a watch when I was teaching and didn't want to look at my phone during class (no clocks in the classroom), but I'm not sure I could deal with the wrist weight now

rob, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link

uh yeah, expensive for me is $250

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:15 (three years ago) link

$20 Casio MQ24 love em

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link

as i mature into my years of extravagance, reaching the echelons of the 50-60k / year salary enjoyed by late career archivists in the great state of utah, i will have to be actively discouraged from buying tacky dad stuff like a $250 watch.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link

I don't have a $1000 watch by the way I have a $35 Timex and a $150 Swatch automatic watch neither of which I've worn in like a year because time no longer exists

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link

$35 timex are grebt honestly

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link

well there's a lot to be said for putting your mouse on top of them so you don't go inactive on the work messenger/monitor

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link

they are! You can get $6 NATO straps for them and change it up xp

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link

i really just need a chrono for running. yep, custom straps are the way to go.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link

if your watch can't spell boobless upside-down, i dont want to know about it

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link

just imagine the horrible human cost of implementing a wealth tax on these psychos. think of all the mom-and-pop auction house owners who would still be able to conduct business as usual, but might not be able to buy thousand-dollar watches weekly to let off a little steam. plus there's all the huddled masses of Uncut Gems characters yearning to score big on the secondary market. our country is headed off a cliff fast.

this honking's on a bobo (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:30 (three years ago) link

I've wanted a watch for years, but hate anything on my wrist. In fact, I hate all jewelry— we don't even wear wedding rings.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:32 (three years ago) link

hate anything on my wrist. In fact, I hate all jewelry

seriously, same here! Why idk, but it really bugs me.

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link

I spent $1000 on a pocket computer with a clock in it that also handles my email and phone calls. Fuck a watch.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link

yeah but it doesn't have any tiny gears or springs!

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link

yesterday's advanced technology is today's quaint affectation

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le2eB2xtvBQ

NO SPRINGS!!

this honking's on a bobo (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link

I like the *idea* of a watch, a beautiful one-of-a-kind timepiece. In practice, no fucking way.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link

in the pre-cell phone days, I briefly had a pocketwatch attached to my chain wallet. At the time, I was doing a bunch of manual labor and it got banged against some industrial shelving and cracked.

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link

I spent $1000 on a pocket computer with a clock in it that also handles my email and phone calls. Fuck a watch.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, March 23, 2021 10:41 AM (eleven minutes ago)

HOLD UP ... YOU SPENT $1000 ON A PHONE??? ...

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link

tbh probably 85% of my engagement with my space age supercomputer $600 phone is either checking the time, listening to the radio, looking at maps of my own city or sending "electrical mail". could ditch the phone and replace it with a $5 radio, a $30 road atlas, a few books of stamps, and a $250 watch and still have a few hundred bucks left over

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:58 (three years ago) link

i use my awesome $200 computer phone to send messages to other people's phones, talk to them in real time, answer technical questions of random strangers, like things, and take screenshots of funny things on the internet

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link

HOLD UP ... YOU SPENT $1000 ON A PHONE??? ...

Almost, yeah. Bought an iPhone XS for myself and an iPhone 11 for my wife, last summer. We were paying for them bit by bit with the phone bill for 6-7 months, but some money fell from the sky last month so I paid 'em both off in full.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link

1k+ for the top of the line iphone w/all bells and whistles and case and warranty and whatnot has been apple's business model for years.

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

yes, but that's a business model for assholes and people who get their jobs to pay for their phones. ... It's like buying a new car vs. a used car with like 10k miles.

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link

n.b. I have done fairly well as an owner of shares of Apple stock

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link

I'm a freelance journalist. A smartphone is a business expense.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link

yeah, but it's still $1000 ... idk dude, you are generally posting about being relatively low-income and the need to be frugal. If the $1k phone is your special treat, then I can respect that.

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

I mean, my laptop is from 2013, my wife's desktop computer is from 2011, our car is from 2009, so...I guess it kind of is, yeah.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:29 (three years ago) link

my last phone lasted for five years; my attitude is buy top of the line and then amortize. (nb, the phone i bought last week was $650 all in i think and it better last me until the next republican president)

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 18:30 (three years ago) link


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