nicolas cage, the greatest entertainer of our - or perhaps any - generation (a POLL)

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wanted to make it multiple choice cuz i know what a trial it is to single out just one movie, but i couldnt figure out how. also included some unreleased titles that sounded particularly appetizing. also, alternate subtitle for thread - nic cage, our REAL national treasure

Poll Results

OptionVotes
# Wild at Heart (1990) .... Sailor Ripley 11
# Raising Arizona (1987) .... H.I. McDunnough 11
# Face/Off (1997) .... Castor Troy / Sean Archer 4
# The Wicker Man (2006) .... Edward Malus 4
# Adaptation. (2002) .... Charlie Kaufman / Donald Kaufman 3
# Con Air (1997) .... Cameron Poe 3
# Moonstruck (1987) .... Ronny Cammareri 2
# Vampire's Kiss (1988) .... Peter Loew 2
# Valley Girl (1983) .... Randy 2
# The Weather Man (2005) .... David Spritz 2
# The Rock (1996) .... Dr. Stanley Goodspeed 1
# Zandalee (1991) .... Johnny Collins 1
# It Could Happen to You (1994) .... Charlie Lang 1
# Guarding Tess (1994) .... Doug Chesnic 1
# Deadfall (1993) .... Eddie 1
# Honeymoon in Vegas (1992) .... Jack Singer 1
# Red Rock West (1992) .... Michael Williams 1
# Fire Birds (1990) .... Jake Preston 1
# Lord of War (2005) .... Yuri Orlov 1
# Peggy Sue Got Married (1986) .... Charlie Bodell 1
# Snake Eyes (1998) .... Rick Santoro 1
# Bringing Out the Dead (1999) .... Frank Pierce 1
# Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans (2009) (post-production) <-- holy shit waht 1
# Ghost Rider (2007) .... Johnny Blaze / Ghost Rider 1
# Matchstick Men (2003) .... Roy Waller 1
# Next (2007) .... Cris Johnson 0
# Tempo di uccidere (1989) .... Enrico Silvestri 0
# National Treasure: Book of Secrets (2007) .... Ben Gates 0
# Bangkok Dangerous (2008) .... Joe 0
# Knowing (2009) .... John Koestler 0
# Kick-Ass (2009) (post-production) .... Damon Macready 0
# The Boy in Blue (1986) .... Ned Hanlan 0
# Birdy (1984) .... Sgt. Alfonso 'Al' Columbato 0
# Racing with the Moon (1984) .... Nicky/Bud 0
# Rumble Fish (1983) .... Smokey 0
# World Trade Center (2006) .... John McLoughlin 0
# The Ant Bully (2006) (voice) .... Zoc 0
# Grindhouse (2007) .... Fu Manchu (segment "Werewolf Women of the SS") 0
# Gone in Sixty Seconds (2000) .... Memphis Raines 0
# City of Angels (1998) .... Seth 0
# Captain Corelli's Mandolin (2001) .... Captain Antonio Corelli 0
# Windtalkers (2002) .... Sergeant Joe Enders 0
# Sonny (2002) .... Acid Yellow 0
# Leaving Las Vegas (1995) .... Ben Sanderson 0
# Kiss of Death (1995/I) .... Little Junior Brown 0
# Trapped in Paradise (1994) .... Bill Firpo 0
# The Family Man (2000) .... Jack Campbell 0
# National Treasure (2004) .... Ben Gates 0
# Amos & Andrew (1993) .... Amos Odell 0
# 8MM (1999) .... Tom Welles 0


GROLIOUS NIPPON ;_; (cankles), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Early money's on Wicker Man but this is wide open

"Pieface Game Concept" (G00blar), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm very content never to learn what "Windtalkers" is really about and just pretend it's an hour and half of Nic Cage portentously talking to the wind.

"Pieface Game Concept" (G00blar), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link

do i vote for his good movie, or do i vote for any of his AMAZING LOLZ this is hard

he sounded italian enough to give me something (the schef (adam schefter ha ha)), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

is there another oscar-winner of the last few decades who can match his volume and diversity of terrible movies? he's pretty well eclipsed cuba gooding jr., and i can't think of anyone else close.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

you can take away oscar-winner in the above sentence

"Pieface Game Concept" (G00blar), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm torn between valley girl (for sentimental reasons) and adaptation (the last time he was trying, as far as i can tell).

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link

xp Robin Williams probably matches him on that count.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

omg captain correlli's mandolin -- i forget that movie exists, all the time

he sounded italian enough to give me something (the schef (adam schefter ha ha)), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

more than anything else i am amazed that his bad movies do so well

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

i have only seen 3 of these movies - the 2 1997 movies and the kaufman...i am such a fuxx

Stop relegating Hull you miserable gits! (country matters), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

they are all awes btw, i kinda don't wanna ruin it

Stop relegating Hull you miserable gits! (country matters), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

louis go see the rock right now.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes the Rock is amazing.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

raising arizona

Reege & Leif (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

gotta go with my first nic cage experience

Vampire's Kiss (1988)

bela fregosi (brownie), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I was gonna vote for The Rock and then I remembered FACE/OFF! I need to see that again.

iatee, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

oh also, bringing out the dead

iatee, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

what's so impressive about his bad movies is they are almost uniformly AWESOME - i really cant think of anyone in hollywood who has entertained me as much over the years, when u get down 2 brass tax

biggest disappointment - world trade center, for being all solemn and -_-. i had a wishlist of things i wanted to see in a nicolas cage 9/11 movie (like, say, a shot of the first tower going down and cage leaping onto the 2nd one from it) and those wishes went woefully unfulfilled ;_;

GROLIOUS NIPPON ;_; (cankles), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

# Grindhouse (2007) .... Fu Manchu (segment "Werewolf Women of the SS")

Hoos Passansteeno (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

e's pretty well eclipsed cuba gooding jr., and i can't think of anyone else close.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra)

^^no way, cage movies are still amazing experiences

710 east green in bensenville near o'hare (omar little), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

not all, Next is incredibly shitty

bnw, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Matchstick Men gets my vote. he's really sweet there.

Ludo, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

max, RE "DO SO WELL," lots of the big-budget FX shit sandwiches are no more than marginally profitable if they gross $100 mill in US. I really don't think the National Treasures would be any less profitable if you stuck some other name-recog ho in there.

The Weather Man and Lord of War got some respectful reviews, but didn't look bad/lol enuf for anyone to go see i guess.

also, aside from Raising Arizona the most defensible choice is RED ROCK WEST.

Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Dave has recently applied for a position as the weatherman on a national show called "Hello America" which is hosted by Bryant Gumbel, and represents a much, much higher salary than the already high salary Dave has, but also would mean a relocation for himself and possibly his whole family (provided he can reconcile with Noreen) Dave sees this job opportunity as a final way to prove himself to his father and make him proud before he passes away.

Dave has a 12-year-old daughter Shelly (Gemmenne de la Peña) who smokes and is obese and teased by her classmates, who call her "camel toe" because her genitals show through her tight clothing.

I really have to catch up on my post-Y2K Cage movies.

•--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.filmwad.com/fw_images/worstmovies/matchstickmenwarner.jpg

Ludo, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Peggy Sue Got Married

Featuring Ben Jones as Geir's Cooter (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Voted weather man. It's not amazing or anything but tons of lines and moments had stuck with me.

ryan, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Next is pretty fucking bad but at least it's pretty tight compared to 8mm which is boring as well as horrible.

Voting for Con Air but more for the ensemble cast than for our boy.

Hongroe Like the Wolf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

There are often lists of the great living male movie stars: De Niro, Nicholson and Pacino, usually. How often do you see the name of Nicolas Cage? He should always be up there. He's daring and fearless in his choice of roles, and unafraid to crawl out on a limb, saw it off and remain suspended in air. No one else can project inner trembling so effectively." Ebert adds, "He alway seems so earnest. However improbable his character, he never winks at the audience. He is committed to the character with every atom and plays him as if he were him

Ludo, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

srsly, I've never seen this movie but I might vote for it anyway.

•--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

remake of bad lieutenant directed by werner herzog and starring nic cage waht?!

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

biggest disappointment - world trade center, for being all solemn and -_-. i had a wishlist of things i wanted to see in a nicolas cage 9/11 movie (like, say, a shot of the first tower going down and cage leaping onto the 2nd one from it)

I swear to god, when the very first news of 9/11 came through and all that we knew out here was a plane crash and fire in one of the buildings I made a comment to some friends about how I wasn't looking forward to the inevitable movie starring Nicolas Cage. AND IT CAME TRUE.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

but surely you didn't think it wd be a conspiracy-free O.Stone film

Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link

You are correct.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link

I want to take my... face... off...

srsly voted for Wild at Heart.

Viceroy, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

WILD AT HEART

Someone Still Loves You Evan and Jaron (Tape Store), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Lord of War is pretty underrated.

unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link

boring as hell choice, but gotta go with H.I. McDunnough.

this dude's unintentional lols ratio is out of control. i caught the first few minutes of moonstruck on tv a while back and he is fucking perposterous.

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

preposterous

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link

gotta go with my first nic cage experience

Vampire's Kiss (1988) Moonstruck (1987)

― bela fregosi (brownie)

I LOST MY HAND
I LOST MY BRIDE
JOHNNY HAS HIS HAND
JOHNNY HAS HIS BRIDE

, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^hahaha YES

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

a bride without a head

Stop relegating Hull you miserable gits! (country matters), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

OMG "to the bed"

OMG

Stop relegating Hull you miserable gits! (country matters), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't think I've seen that scene in maybe 15 years but it has a different ring to it now.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link

"Raising Arizona" ffs!

Pashmina, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Voted Wickeman, Adaptation close second, Ghostrider in third, but I mainly remember Eva Mendes' performance.

jel --, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link

well when I say performance, I mean cleavage.

jel --, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Wild At Heart. No contest.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link

if you don’t think pig is speaking through its protagonist, around whose story the entire film is built, who is designed to sit in judgement of everyone he encounters, which he does throughout the film, well I guess you won’t see it as a didactic work. Me, I figure it is, and I see it as a very didactic film that verges on being a (very creaky) morality tale.

There’s plenty of PNW film that deals with the impoverishment endemic to the area without using it for fantasy. Happy to pass on some of my favorites! Kelly reichardt’s earlier work is the obvious touchstone but even 80s van sant or, like, leave no trace was pretty widely seen.

Clay, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:11 (one year ago) link

but the modern world is bad because of phones


dude there’s like four scenes in this movie where cage basically screams “PHONNNNNESSSS!” it’s so silly

Clay, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:11 (one year ago) link

y’all just namechecking palahniuk just because there’s an brief underground fight club scene in the movie? idk, think better

tbf in addition to the underground fight club scene (which even in the pulpy world of the movie is completely out of nowhere and obviously a reference to palahniuk), a major scene is basically lifted from fight club, where the avatar of authenticity who Sees Through All The Bullshit chastises someone for giving up on their youthful dreams and becoming a part of The System. but like palahniuk's cheapest instincts, its a cheat because all it does is flatter the audience for hating a caricature.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:12 (one year ago) link

There’s plenty of PNW film that deals with the impoverishment endemic to the area without using it for fantasy. Happy to pass on some of my favorites! Kelly reichardt’s earlier work is the obvious touchstone but even 80s van sant or, like, leave no trace was pretty widely seen.

― Clay,

I like most of those films.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:13 (one year ago) link

yeah those scenes function very differently in their respective movies you uncharitable dicks

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:14 (one year ago) link

i don’t remember any “phones” shit in this movie literally at all

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:15 (one year ago) link

i also feel like that’s an incorrect reading of fight club on top of it. nothing tyler says is meant to be taken at face value

the supposed caricature in pig is a very real person in my experience lol

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:16 (one year ago) link

i mean obviously the movies have different plots, but just saying its a fair point of reference imo

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:18 (one year ago) link

Also, it's clear we're not supposed to identify with Cage.

I think I'm going to retract what I wrote a little while ago. What's wrong with didacticism in movies? You can reject the message or not; it still doesn't impair the movie.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:19 (one year ago) link

i identify with the cage character but the movie is not wholly on his side, no

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:22 (one year ago) link

thanks Alfred, I will emphasize again that my relationship with this movie is always going to be complicated by my lifelong residence in portland and where and how I’ve worked here. It does not strike true for me, but it probably isn’t supposed to! I’ve heard positive and negative things from local friends, so my judgement is personal! I should start a thread for, like, living on the edge in the northwest woods films, as I could live the rest of my life doing and watching nothing else

Clay, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:26 (one year ago) link

can we come up for truffles

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:28 (one year ago) link

i run through the woods* 3 miles a day, if you can keep up I’ll show you the way!

*(its 90% asphalt streets but buddy, the trees are so huge everywhere)

Clay, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:31 (one year ago) link

I'll fess to having a somewhat rose tinted view because it was one of my best Back To The Cinema experiences, but I fucking loved Prisoners Of Ghostland. "Couple of nice sets" is I think somewhat misleading when the sets are so much of what it's about, and you're unlikely to get the same kind of charge anywhere much in modern cinema; that and the film's use of extras really made it shine as a spectacle for me. And I mean yeah there's not much in it for you if you don't like spaghetti westerns or samurai flicks or the tradition of grindhouse cinema, but hell, how can you hate on a movie that ends with the line "I think Samurai Town is going to be a beautiful place someday"?

For a movie that tried to do the same thing but actually sucks see Sukiyaki Western Django.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:31 (one year ago) link

i identify with the cage character but the movie is not wholly on his side, no

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, December 1, 2021 7:22 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otherwise there would be no reason for him to develop such an intimate relationship with the alex wolff character. his singlemindedness which causes him to go off the grid in the first place is something the movie gradually undoes even though he does get to lecture a former orderly whose impersonal pretensions have led him astray etc. again, i have no knowledge of the food scene but this was very easy to layer over my experience as a writer

fair if ppl in the pnw found this hollow i guess, i’ve only visited

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:34 (one year ago) link

fwiw I was lukewarm on Pig but also agree you're not supposed to see it through Cage's eyes - like part of the film is about uncovering how that dude got to where he was by the beginning, the character is difficult and frustrating and totally incapable of functioning in normal society, yes said society is mostly portrayed as rotten but I don't think the character's alternative of a unabomber type existence is shown to be particularly attractive either?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:43 (one year ago) link

otm, albeit a misanthrope and outcast who knows from good wine.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:45 (one year ago) link

i also understand objecting to genre subversion on the face of it, i just thought this movie did it really well, balancing a total ridiculousness with a weary low-key wisdom, which made it very much more than a revenge-movie-with-the-revenge-subtracted for me. i did see promising young woman a few weeks beforehand so maybe i had an object lesson in How Not To Do It in mind as well

i also now wholly cop to it being similar to fight club bc the message of both movies seems to be that there are all kinds of bullshit in the world that you can use to fill the void or assemble your personality around but the only thing that's mostly not bullshit is genuine human connection

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 14:46 (one year ago) link

Cage’s character in Pig knows that his entire shtick is incompatible with society and isn’t telling anyone to go live in a shack with a pig and no shower

imo the film makes it clear his ideals were untenable in the long term. he had success, an amazing restaurant, and ended up ditching society completely when he lost his wife because he wasn’t getting anything out of life anymore and decided everything is fake. despite the fact he’s able to break down his antagonist with a sublime meal in moments in the last act!
he breaks down the chef/former employee about “realness” but imo it’s partially a reaction to “oh, I didn’t recognize you, the greatest chef ever!”

all he has at the beginning of the film is a recording of his dead wife’s voice and a pig. and at the end it seems like maybe he’s willing to let the former go

mh, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 19:07 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Just watched Pig last night, found it odd and enjoyable. During the middle section, when it still seems like it might go full revenge film, I said to my wife that it was like a Safdie Brothers film directed by Kelly Reichardt. (Alternatively, Oldboy meets Old Joy.)

But then it didn’t go that direction at all, and turned into something more minor key, and a bit pat. That both the protagonist and antagonist are mourning lost spouses was very tidy, and Cage’s apparent total-recall thing was sort of gimmicky. Still, I liked that it never quite went where I thought it would. And Cage’s restraint was a nice gimmick of its own, because of what we have been conditioned to expect from him.

Safdie/Reichardt is good comp. yeah, I think the landing could have been stuck better but overall the performances were great. Really liked the first face to face between Cage and Arkin.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 8 January 2022 22:40 (ten months ago) link

Cage gave one of 2021's best perfs.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 January 2022 22:43 (ten months ago) link

I encourage viewers to watch Nic Cage in PIG ❣️

— Sharon Stone (@sharonstone) January 8, 2022

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 January 2022 23:46 (ten months ago) link

I thought it was great, spellbinding, beautifully paced and knowing without quite crossing into arch, and so generous

pandmac (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 January 2022 00:56 (ten months ago) link

apropos of nothing I just remembered this SNL clip in which he appears next to Andy Samburg who is playing a Nic Cage clone. the fact that Cage doesn't smirk even a little through any of this is incredible. I'm not saying it's particularly funny (I mean, I like it) but idk if any other actor could do a live comedy skit like this without cracking once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMol8x9aUj8

frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2022 22:23 (ten months ago) link

Pig ain't great but was a huge surprise.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 January 2022 22:24 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

Just watched it last night, it’s slow paced and a bit hard to follow (thanks to a protagonist who mumbles everything) but by the end I was pretty emotionally wrapped up in it. I’ll give it points for subverting expectations, both in this type of “gruff stoic older man tries to take back what’s his” film and what you expect out of Cage, who you can forget sometimes is a damn good actor when he wants to be.

One thing that did bother me though - Cages character doesn’t take a shower, doesn’t change clothes, was (until recently) hanging around with a pig all day….wouldn’t he smell fucking awful? Like bad enough that it would’ve bothered everyone he came in contact with?

frogbs, Saturday, 16 April 2022 14:09 (seven months ago) link

i think you just have to ride your suspension of disbelief there along with "he looks like shit, shouldn't he go to the hospital"

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 April 2022 14:14 (seven months ago) link

film seemed to delight in the absurdity of never addressing either of these things afaict

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 April 2022 14:15 (seven months ago) link

Maybe there are a lot of infrequent bathers in Portland and he didn’t stand out

mh, Saturday, 16 April 2022 14:29 (seven months ago) link

How did "Leaving Las Vegas" get no votes???

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 16 April 2022 14:31 (seven months ago) link

Someone in the underground restaurant worker fight club should have said something at least.

Chris L, Saturday, 16 April 2022 14:47 (seven months ago) link

timely thread bump as i'll be seeing the unbearable weight of massive talent tonight. hope it's fun

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 April 2022 15:05 (seven months ago) link

Pig was a sweet movie that went in unusual directions, though as someone who'd be fine never going into a restaurant again, I struggled with the concept of "magical chef who remembers every meal he makes" and "diner whose heart can be unlocked by dinner nostalgia".

Two points:

- There's a dark irony in the scene where Amir is in a loading bay trying to get a reservation to the fancy restaurant... and there's multiple pigs (?) hanging on hooks, unloved and unsearched for.
- I was startled to do the math that this guy living in the woods for 15 years would have retreated from society... in about 2005! I've got a fixed idea that everyone who goes Unabomber did it by 1979.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 16 April 2022 15:14 (seven months ago) link

The more I think about it the more I think of it as being like a parable - like one major lynchpin of the plot is the guy cooking a meal so great that it becomes the best moment of someone’s life!

frogbs, Saturday, 16 April 2022 15:18 (seven months ago) link

Pig was a sweet movie that went in unusual directions, though as someone who'd be fine never going into a restaurant again, I struggled with the concept of "magical chef who remembers every meal he makes" and "diner whose heart can be unlocked by dinner nostalgia".

I liked Pig in part because it excited me about eating in restaurants again.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 April 2022 15:22 (seven months ago) link

I struggled with the concept of "magical chef who remembers every meal he makes"

ok, think of an artist instead

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 April 2022 15:42 (seven months ago) link

Treating it as a parable makes sense.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 16 April 2022 16:18 (seven months ago) link

about the pig thing:

Nicolas Cage says “I would love to be in a Muppet movie. I think Kermit and I can be best friends and I've always had a crush on Miss Piggy.”

(Source: @TwitterMovies) pic.twitter.com/ts0KkujRkH

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) April 16, 2022

mark s, Saturday, 16 April 2022 17:46 (seven months ago) link

<3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 16 April 2022 18:14 (seven months ago) link

I will say the pig itself was really cute. I had no idea they looked like that.

frogbs, Saturday, 16 April 2022 18:21 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

I watched Pig last night with my wife. It 'worked' for me in spite of what I considered to be a weak, barely adequate, and often ludicrous script. A lot of loving care was lavished on this film. The temptation to play the script for its comedic potential must have been powerful. Playing it straight-faced and making it work anyway was damn near a miracle.

I credit a big part of it's fascination to the audacious choice to keep Cage's derelict-who-slept-under-a-bridge appearance unchanged throughout, except for the addition of caked-on blood in his hair and beard after the assault, while never treating any of this as worthy of comment by other characters. Cage's acting was excellent, but it often consisted of looking stolid while his appearance did most of the work.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 16 May 2022 04:28 (six months ago) link

That's often all I want from actors.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 May 2022 12:16 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

wanted to look something up at will m's blog but it seems to be dead now? :(

visiting, Saturday, 17 September 2022 19:17 (two months ago) link

was reminded of depalma's snake eyes and was wondering if it's worth watching.

visiting, Saturday, 17 September 2022 19:18 (two months ago) link

Sad that it went offline before Massive Talent, seems like the perfect way to wrap that up

frogbs, Saturday, 17 September 2022 19:51 (two months ago) link

what the heck, i have no idea why it's down. i will try to figure out why

i do plan on going back at some point and playing some catch up, i wanna say maybe around november but no promises! i had a few more written up after mandy but it's been so long! last i checked i have between 15 and 20 movies to do again damn

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Sunday, 18 September 2022 20:47 (two months ago) link

first 20 minutes of Snake Eyes is one of DePalma’s best movies, and a jaw-dropping piece of technical work by Cage. He leads the choreo, never stops moving, presumably had the script letter-perfect to coordinate with the motion, and always, always finds his light and makes sure the camera has him without appearing to see it.

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Sunday, 18 September 2022 21:06 (two months ago) link

site's back up, after puzzling over its disappearance and finally contacting support

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Sunday, 18 September 2022 21:25 (two months ago) link

i watched snake eyes and... it certainly was a depalma movie, but not a very good one. but yeah cage is fantastic throughout that intro.

visiting, Sunday, 18 September 2022 22:02 (two months ago) link


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