Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

I like how recently every year everyone always assumes they're gonna drop to about 8th because they haven't spent much money, and then they don't

NV: quite so. Every time this thread is revived (and it's always by PF!) I'm confronted by Gareth's stinging but probably accurate 2001 comment about "crap bunglers who are ultra-boring". No longer the case, I hope.

I'm usually one of the ones assuming that we'll drop to 8th or worse every season. Surely Citeh will complete the top five this time?

On the money side of things, I believe our UEFA Cup run in 2007-08 was worth something like 1/40th of Liverpool's Champs Lge campaign from the same season in terms of TV revenue. The difference between 4th and 5th is the difference between a shower of diamonds and a certificate with a bit of calligraphic penmanship on it. Well done, son, you were in the race too.

With the current squads, Everton would finish above Man City.

Everton's transformation under Moyes to a side that neutrals can quite happily get behind and enjoy

I like them, but eh.... they're dogged in a way that a spurs fan can only admire, but I wouldn't plan an evening in over an Everton match.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/best-pic-you-ll-see-all-year

I had no idea this thread was actually c.1600 posts long.

if we ever want to crash the server all we have to do is make a few dozen Liverpool topics on the same day.

(I have vague memories of Torres wearing an Atletico scarf during the Euro 2008 celebrations, a year after he had already left them...)

Torres out, Carroll & Suarez in - though the money is daft as everyone says, I have come to feel that Liverpool FC are a lot stronger than they were 2 or 3 days ago. I'm pretty sure they've done well out of all this cos I fear them a lot more than I did. I don't think they're going to come to White Hart Lane and get beaten anymore. They're going to take us 1-2, 0-2, 1-3 like old times. And they'll beat a load of other teams too, the way they used to do, week in week out.

I really think, suddenly, that Liverpool are on their way back - even if only from a very low point. Bad news for the rest of us, but good, I suppose, if you think they're part of soccer's rich history and the game needs them.

ha, 'best pic you'll see all year' hey.

Just seen my last post above. It wasn't quite an accurate prediction. I was scared of LFC at that time.

EFC could finish above them. But will they? I think they have one or two tough games left. LFC & EFC battle for 7th in 2012.

i think everton will do it.

Everton will do it - they have 3pts basically in the bag against Wolves and they already have a cushion on them. Their game at home to Newcastle is winnable as well.

Liverpool still have to play Chelsea, three days after the FA Cup Final, and could easily lose to Swansea as well.

how dare you impugn my team sir

Oh I thought EFC were playing City! OK, I think they can do it then.

game at home to Newcastle is winnable

could easily lose to Swansea

sound analysis

ffs can nobody even speculate about lfc just like they would any other team in the world now?

are swansea so much worse than fulham?

are newcastle so much better than us or man city?

Are you suggesting Liverpool are not as other clubs, but not in a good way?

i'm suggesting they are not mas que un club, but more than that it was a ridiculous prediction to get snippy about- lfc haven't even been getting a hard ride from anyone lately!

two cups is success don't you know

we win on saturday btw, there, you don't even need to watch it

that's a weight off my mind chris. Thanks!

it is!

i don't even think it's been a bad season taking the cups/finals into account- for the first time in a long while imo lfc have deserved a better league placing for their performances.

Interesting summer ahead, tho.

prefer liverpool to everton, to answer thread q

ah ok, was wondering if your 'lfc haven't even been getting a hard ride' was you desperately wanting to rip into our league campaign! very interesting summer indeed.

Actually reckon Liverpool will probably beat Swansea as they've slipped since safety was more-or-less assured and they'll give Suarez and others plenty of space to play. Chelsea will probably smash them though.

Either way the chances of Everton finishing above Liverpool by like 7-9pts are reasonably high.

(NB I would dearly, dearly love to see Liverpool beat Chelsea in both games)

swansea could well relax and play with safety assured (against the big boys)

the Utd game could be fascinating

You'd kind of hope that Everton could finish above a side enduring their worst home form in 60-odd years, and scoring fewer goals than in any other post-war season bar one (or two; if they rattle four in vs Chelsea and Swansea they'll match Souness's first season). Bit of a hollow victory if we do hang to 7th, considering the three derby defeats, L'pool's Cup success and the fact that it won't add up to Euro place.

I'll take it though. Suspect we'll see two different results in the LFC-CFC games.

Objected to the "logic"

no room for logic in football, in fact i think logic gates were banned from stadia in 1992?

The logic's pretty straightforward from what I can see, Everton have been on better form and have easier games.

But Everton also have a massive psychological block when it comes to Liverpool. I can't be bothered to check the stats, but wasn't the last derby match an easy win for Liverpool in the middle of a dire run of results for them?

everton have hammered liverpool in recent years too, tho

Not sure the psychological block extends to league games with other teams though? Not saying they won't choke, but they probably only need to win one more game.

There's nothing actually at stake, too

game at home to Newcastle is winnable

could easily lose to Swansea

makes just as much sense if you invert it.

i suppose the logical argument is that they're ahead of ye with much of the season gone, better form and no cup final to allow for.

guys it's pretty obvious he's talking about the arbitrary win/losability of those 2 fixtures

ya we all are

It's only arbitrary if you ignore the actual results, Everton have done a much better job lately of beating teams above them in the league, especially at home, than Liverpool have of beating teams below them recently.

So, that happened then.

As Moyes said yesterday, 7th is nothing to celebrate, it's about where most ppl would've put us before the season. So, if we're celebrating anything, it's only as a result of Liverpool's dismal form since January (5-3-11 second half of the season = double that and you've got Bolton's season but with better GD). Which is small-minded and bitter and nothing to do with us.

On the other hand, yay.

Arbitrary my arse.

yeah because the scores were right your sentence now is perfect.

i love the way football works like that.

because his predictions were right your shaky attempts to ridicule his right to make them where you could read them have been vindicated?

srsly veering into self-parody whenever lfc comes up at this stage tbh- not that i don't, but i mean

predictions being right doesn't mean predictions were made with any insight.

Chelsea will probably smash them though.

oh look a wrong prediction, i win

we were envisaging a scenario where everton finished above lfc, if these random thoughts had come up on any other subject or wrt any other clubs i'd not imagine you'd be slinging logical mud with such vigour!

doesn't mean i wouldn't think it was stupid, just means i'd be less likely to pay attention to it. and i think you're wrong above, i'm hardly arguing in favour of lfc as a footballing force or something, i've done nothing but criticise them this year.

I think I am a bit too ignorant of EFC to have put them 7th. I thought they were a bit too mid-table for that. So from my POV, 7th for EFC *is* a good achievement. 8th for LFC is not. It is like where Tottenham were not that long ago (10 years ago?), or for most of my life supporting them.

Congratulations to Everton and their supporter.