In Praise (or Not) of Chantal Akerman

I just found this clip from D'Est, one of my favorite films.

er, D'Est.

i've only seen la captive, which is really good. what besides d'est should go on the netflix queue?

There's not a lot else out. Jeanne Dielman is amazing, an acheivement not just for Ackerman but also Delphine Seyrig. A new print has just started touring. About a year back I saw Ju, Tu, Ill, Elle in rep, and I can assure you that neither myself or any of the other 30 or so people in attendence were prepared for those final scenes ;-)

I saw A Couch In New York (her romcom w/ J. Binoche) on tv along time ago. I recall it being ok.

There's is also a really good film she did for French TV called "Ackerman on Ackerman" wherein she edited a bunch of clips from her films together. It's alot of fun, certainly more fun than you would expect given how dour her work can be.

Farner, Grisso & McCain is selling Jeanne Dielman short; it's one of the four or five greatest achievements for cinema period. I doubt it will ever be released on DVD, Bloo-Ray, or pixie dust hologram. Besides, it really wouldn't work in the home unless you could insure that its 3 hours and 40 minutes could pass uninterrupted which is essential to its damn near scientific effect on you.

Also check out her musical Window Shopping, her musical without songs Night and Day, and her finest film this decade, the heartbreaking De l'autre côté (From The Other Side).

Uh guys, Jeanne D. is out on DVD! Well, in Europe at least. I recently bought this box set.

Maybe not my fave but 'Toute une Nuit' (All Night Long) made a very strong impression on me. Not sure I could be bothered watching it agaon tho

I first heard of her from... dude, I can't remember his name. I interviewed him for some zine. I'm actually pretty sure it was Alan Licht. He mentioned it cause he knew I was from Belgium and so is Chantal. Never did check out her stuff. :-(

there's still time! all her films have now bene released on dvd, at least in Belgium.

I'm no longer a snooty intellectual wannabe. ;-) Srsly though, I should. Where to start?

maybe we shd correct spelling of Akerman so we can find this thread in future?

The fact that there's a new Janus Films print of Jeanne D. going around right now almost definitely means it will be a Criterion DVD sooner or later.

I caught it at Film Forum a few weeks ago, and it's by far the best film I've seen in a long, long time. I was absolutely riveted.

Man what I wouldn't give for the nft to screen a season of her films (instead of boring ol' Kubrick). Search: Dielman (and Manny Farber's essay on it), Captive (all I've seen so far) and try to catch her video art. You get the harsh angles and all that.

btw I read somewhere she said of Jeanne's third client, "It was him or her, and I'm glad it was him."

Farner, Grisso & McCain is selling Jeanne Dielman short; it's one of the four or five greatest achievements for cinema period. I doubt it will ever be released on DVD, Bloo-Ray, or pixie dust hologram. Besides, it really wouldn't work in the home unless you could insure that its 3 hours and 40 minutes could pass uninterrupted which is essential to its damn near scientific effect on you.

I kinda had to sell it short, otherwise I'd get all gushy and shit. I'll just say that it captures a particular state of mind (which I unforutunately knew all too well when I viewed it) (and kind of getting back into at the moment). No film quite says "What's the use?" as well or as knowingly.

I think about the film often. The other day I was having breakfast at a usual haunt. There is this group of old ladies who come in every day, sit at the same table and drink coffee. This particular day someone (for the first time in long time) came in before them and claimed their table. The ladies came in and where quietly miffed at this development. I thought to myself, "This is just like what happend to Jeanne Dielman at the bar!" Not sure what the women did later. Hopefully that didn't respond the same way JD did.

BTW, for those of you who've seen more of her films, which one has a scene set at a party with a bunch of kids dancing to "La Bamba" and then "It's A Man's Man's Man's World"? The clip was featured in "Akerman on Ackerman" and I'd like to someday checkout the film which originally contained that brilliant scene.

love the old lady on line @ post office in JD.

i have asked for a title correction.

thread title, i mean.

that was quick! thanks tehresa!

which one has a scene set at a party with a bunch of kids dancing to "La Bamba" and then "It's A Man's Man's Man's World"?

doesnt ring bell, but maybe it's from that musical she did, "Golden Eighties"?

Don't remember that particular number in that one.

Yeah, I checked on IMDB and the description doesn't match (although that film was also excerpted for "A on A"). From what I could gather from the other clips, the mystery film is about a teenage lesbian who runs away from home. Somewhere along the way she gets to go to a house party. There she gets to dance with a pretty girl to "La Bamba" while everyone else surrounds them in a circle (like a "spotlight dance"). Then "IAMMMW" comes on and the pretty girl's boyfriend comes in and pushes the heroine out of the circle so he can dance. From what I remember, Ackerman does some really effective cross-cutting on the girls, which combined with the song choices, perfectly conveys the excitement of the moment (and the ultimate disappointment as well).

BTW, according to a poster on the criterion forum who saw Criterion's Kim Hendrickson speak the other night, Criterion is planning on releasing Jeanne Dielman later this year.

Watched this last night:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Y9HKWY6JL._SS500_.jpg

Verdict: awesome (and not just because I have a crush of shame on Testud)

Coming in August (the 25th to be exact)

http://www.criterionforum.org/images/484_box_348x490.jpg

News From Home, is the one I'm keen on, predictably.

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Bout time! Arguably the greatest film ever made. And what a great cover!

Terrific news!!

Coming In January

Just got Jeanne Dielman from Netflix the other day; looking forward to watching it this weekend.

get ready for a wiiiiiild ride

Hahaha.

I can't overemphasize: Watch in one sitting. (Maybe one bathroom break.)

i never entered that meatloaf contest :(

booooooooooo

Between the Kurosawa box and this Ackerman series, Criterion will sufficiently keep me indoors even more this winter.

Akerman.

AKERMAN!!!

anyone ever see toute une nuit? seems kind of hard to.

yeah one of my faves but as I said above, I doubt I'd eve manage to watch it again.

I realize I now live literally next door to 23 quai du commerce, Brussels.

schlump, i webmailed you.

well thanks jed but no, i'm not interested in doing that kind of modelling for you.

if you have an further offers?, you could shoot me a mail at corkysdebt at hotmail dot com :D

"news from home" is really good.

new one showing in NYC this week

http://www.fandor.com/blog/daily-chantal-akermans-almayers-folly

w/director in person iirc

i feel like there are five CA docs that have come out as plain-looking dvds in the past lil while; i always see them positively reviewed & advertised in filmcomment, has anybody seen any?

Three years too late, I know, but that circle dance scene described above is from Portrait of a Young Girl at the End of the 60s in Brussels.

just saw her do Q&A for Almayer's Folly, which was sometimes hypnotic and, partic the last scene, left me a bit cold. She answered one question by saying "'Why' doesn't matter."

Been to the last two screenings of the Chantal Akerman season and going again tonight.

Didn't know this but she is going to be there!

http://www.ica.org.uk/whats-on/nos-amours-chantal-akerman-9-un-jour-pina-demand%C3%A9-l%E2%80%99homme-%C3%A0-la-valise

Akerman gave a brief intro to the films but in between came back for a Q&A which didn't seem pre-planned (the ICA had to get a microphone ready). She was moved by the applause at the beginning an like to think she wanted to give sometime for people to ask anything. It sorta started as a talk on what Pina Bausch was like and how the doc was made, then went into "well I am not going to be here after my next film is shown as I want to sleep so if you'd like to ask anything then its now or never...you don't have to, sometimes its better not to say anything"

There were three questions but they were basically interrupted (good on the first one which was just a v dry question about where does performance start and end that you could never pin her down to -- too much of an attempt to reveal a method -- its interesting that the question's phrasing may sound as precise as her images but they miss all the colour and sense of humour present that are such a big part of her films...for the most part) as she started giving a riff on a theme about half-way through, because her English is at 70% they were kinda half-replies half-rants that would go to funny places. When she talked about how she needed to do different things after Jeanne Dielman it was all "I could've stopped...but not like Rimbaud where I could've been a drug dealer, or sell slaves" (!)

I loved how she talked about Pina -- Akerman was very honest and open at how the beauty she first saw in her choreography turned to anger as she gradually uncovered the sadistic side, involving sinister manipulation of the people in her company -- its something you see on Wenders' film through interviews but here its shown via a series of rehearsals for scenes flowing through performances on stage (she aimed to edit her film like a piece by Pina, and it certainly gives that feel of attending to contemporary dance). She compared Pina to Celine (who I happen to be reading!) and how the work -- the end result -- is what matters. But those questions are never really resolved?

Three years too late, I know, but that circle dance scene described above is from Portrait of a Young Girl at the End of the 60s in Brussels.

― Cherish, Monday, August 13, 2012 3:41 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Almost two years too late on me, but THANK YOU!

Temptation to subscribe...rising...

I will def be doing an Akerman series in the screening room if I keep it up a while.

And a slew of Dunye films I haven't seen.

i saw Golden Eighties last night in 35mm and was quite taken with it... a '50s Technicolor pastiche that manages to incorporate her mother's Holocaust experience.

Was Delphine Seyrig ever not All-World in anything? Heartbreaking.

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, February 25, 2016

Good to know, Simon, thanks. That means I can wait.

i saw Golden Eighties last night in 35mm and was quite taken with it... a '50s Technicolor pastiche that manages to incorporate her mother's Holocaust experience.

I MUST SEE THIS IMMEDIATELY 😭

Dunno how Seyrig keeps her cool, projects empathy, yet stays mysterious at the same time.

sort of a less 'royal' Jeanne Moreau

Was just thinking of her as well.

That means I can wait.

I think if I did Rendez vous D'Anna / d'Est (maybe?) / Golden Eighties / No Home Movie as the selections, that should be sufficiently head-spinning.

she's certainly antic in Blow Up My Town, esp for a Topic Omega film

haha she's hilarious in that short

yeah Simon that triple feature sounds great

Le Chambre is way too fucking large

goddamnn 1971 NY living spaces

I found Golden Eighties a strange marvel. Its use of the demotic in musicals reminds me of what Woody Allen tried to do in 1996

Would have been her seventieth birthday today.

fuck

Taken from a Slate piece posted two weeks ago--glad I didn't come across it until after tonight's Mrs. America finale. The final shot: Phyllis Schlafly on the right, after not getting the Reagan cabinet appointment she was expecting (not sure how historically accurate that is).

http://compote.slate.com/images/6bf9c811-0fc4-4a8d-92f0-a0c15bd71c27.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=780x520&offset=0x0

that's pretty funny

Jeanne Dielman is the fourth ever number 1 in the best movie poll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Dielman,_23_quai_du_Commerce,_1080_Bruxelles

https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

oh there's another discussion. sorry

Akerman has long been a blind spot for me, perennially on the "I'll get to her" list, partly because she seemed like kind of a heavy lift. Before today, I'd only seen the short La Chambre and, for whatever reason, Golden Eighties — which I liked a lot but also knew was not exactly representative. Anyway, I decided to start the new year by finally watching Jeanne Dielman, no doubt one of many thousands goaded into it by the Sight & Sound ranking. And yeah, obviously great. As a newbie I won't belabor the thread with thoughts about it, except to say that it made me wish we had a Jeanne Dielman for every decade and every country or culture — a detailed inquisition of domestic routine and ritual.

So I guess News From Home is next, huh?

Not necessarily, it's too closely bound-up. I'd go for D'Est.

Les rendez-vous d'Anna is another great entry point

I think they're all on Criterion, maybe I'll just binge Akerman all January.

I tried to spread them out over a period of time, as Morbs advised with Hong Sangsoo

Hotel Monterey is very hypnotic and is one of my favorite films of hers, but it is silent. Maybe you could provide your own soundtrack, but I don't think most soundtracks could possibly represent this film. The images portraying the strangeness of the hotel foreshadow The Shining. The camera doesn't start moving around until the end

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I paired Hotel Monterey with Eno’s Discreet Music some years ago and it worked supremely well.

Try The Captive, tips.

I would not recommend trying The Captive at this early stage

He's watched Jeanne Dielman. Might as well.

OK, I would not recommend trying The Captive at any stage

Lol I think it was my first by her. It was good but I don't think I read the source material.

Watch Hotel Monterey silent at least once before you play any music over it.

Respect.

https://cinephilecity.com/2015/09/10/theatrical-experiences-akerman/

otm

“If Michael knew … if he knew how his art was being treated … I think he will die! If he saw this, he would die here.”

When TIFF and the Art Gallery of Ontario had a big Michael Snow retrospective, they screened all of his films but for some reason they only showed 'Rameau's Nephew' by Diderot (Thanx to Dennis Young) by Wilma Schoen one reel at a time, once a week. I met him in the gallery and asked why, and he seemed puzzled by their choice but not too annoyed. Fortunately they screened the whole film at once several months later.
I hadn't realized until now that Akerman appeared in the film!

Respect.

https://cinephilecity.com/2015/09/10/theatrical-experiences-akerman/

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- So I watched Dielman last night. It was at the BFI screen one. For those who don't know the BFI has four screening theatres. One is the biggest screen, proper size. Two and three and mid-size and the last one is more like a gallery screen size. This anecodete I posted here back in Jan makes sense in the way that Dielman blown up to size is utterly magnificent. Savour the colour, the detail, for one thing.

- But if this film is about a woman losing her sense of self the shots of her walking around her apartment to buy groceries become an entirely different experience here because of the blown up size. There is a wonderful scene (every single one is great -- where to even start with this?? Just in terms of photographic composition its perfect: get a twitter bot to post screens of it and it would be as good as The Garden of Earthly Delights bot: the detail, colour, energy...everything so alive and vibrant) where she walks to get the metro and she is out of view, with lots of people packed into the space, for once. It took a good few seconds to find her when she almost barely gets into the compartment (her body, her means of income is utterly absent here). Its a minor detail, but in the architecture of the film this is something that looking back comes up again and again. In another scene, she is walking down the street, two boys of about 10 are walking by; they walk ahead just behind her, then just overtake her to go ahead, then they pull back, then forward, at which point Dielman walks across the street to avoid them, getting out of shot and lost again among the crowd.

- And when I first saw this at the old BFI (NFT as it was called then; a grandpa Simpson detail now), this was on an old shagged out print. I didn't know that much about feminism (nor do I know that much now). I probably watched Marienbad, and certainly Celine and Julie - what lingered was probably the length of some of the scenes. Seyrig's face in the toil of working the home, the drudgery of life and of course, that ending. I had seen Akerman's adaptation of the The Prisoner and liked it. Then the ICA and other small cinemas put up some screenings of her other incredible films over a year (all probably detailed here in this thread). I saw her speak at one of these, she was as combative with some of the questions as in the anecdote of that Snow film. So I devoured the other stuff she made. I forgot Dielman, though it was in the background as I read Manny Farber's amazing essay on it. I saw an exhibiton of her video work; and I loved her last film. Then the news of her suicide was just awful and something I think about every now and then...I really miss her in a way I don't miss other artists when they pass on (maybe its because I saw her speak and take no bullshit)...so I just stopped engaging with her work though I lauged at the memes on twitter of Dielman, in clean screens of the pristine cleaned up DVD version. Then of course the S&S poll, which while its silly it has meant the opportunity to go to a full sold-out screening...

- ...to laugh with the crowd at the funny scenes, and there are about four: The two dialogues with her son before bedtime, the reading of the letter from her aunt in a speeded up fashion (to show a lack of any erudition, or is it to not think about the content of her letter?), and the scene with the neighbour's baby (crying whenever Dielman picked him up, maybe the baby senses something...it certainly adds up no?)

- which takes place in the last day (of 2 1/2 days). So what I didn't get a sense of in my first watch was of the narrative pull, culminating in the last day. This last day is one of the most devastating watches in all of cinema. Things that passed over in 1 1/2 days now come to a head here: The letter from the aunt = will she marry again? The 1st dialogue = she met her husband just after the war (Akerman's real life mother was Jewish and a survivor of the Holcaust, so this detail takes on a life of its own; this film is about that generation who were scarred; and whatever happened in the 60s passed them by, Dielman wears that old woman scarf that was a 'fashion' at the time, and certainly fiddles with it in other scenes, she is old now...) sex was a minor detail in her life; he is now dead, so could she get used to another man? Sex (before its rendered in its most purely transactional form in the final act) is the annoying noise in the constant background, affording her the the means to feed her son, buy wool for knitting, pay for a seat at the coffee shop, the gas bill for her cooker and electricity bills so the light comes on and off (her constantly fiddling with the switches is such a beautiful detail), to rent the place she lives in to go up and down that lift (she does this on the last day but she doesn't go out, and she doesn't check the post -- another point in her breakdown -- the film is choked with micro detail). Sex work is work. And the 2nd dialogue where the son spouts feministy type stuff about 'penetration' (will he grow up to become one of her afternoon clients? The 2nd client seemed to look like her son about 20 years into the future). It was funny the first time I heard this monologue from him then, we all laughed along then and now...

- This film has a brutal logic to it. One of the first, noticeable points where something starts feeling off is in Dielman's relationship with food, where in the 2nd day she overcooks the potatoes. I bring in more things to this screening as I get older and closer to my own end, so I think of the argument over couscous in Fear Eats the Soul, or the ball in The Leopard, where the beautiful looking food is lined and it just tastes disgusting and rotten. Here its potatoes or the coffee tastes off, or she can't get the same seat in her daily trip to the coffee shop because its someone else in there (an older woman but different, she is reading attently; Dielman picks up a newspaper once (earlier in the film) and folds it without looking at it) or she can't find the right button for her son's (whom she adores) coat (another funny/sorta tragic point where she is searching for this phantom button, where she then spouts off something about how maybe she could find it in America, because the US is five years ahead of Europe, so she does absorb something from somewhere). Pre-final act: the photograph of Dielman in her wedding goes from fuzzy to a bit more clear. Gasps from the audience (isn't it nice to hear it again?) after its done. Packed with matter: 3.5 hours go by.

- And the last shot. Post final act. No close-up. A photograph with movement, showing a beautiful face, a face that acts and moves: the head tilts down, the neck stretches long, the head comes up, back up. Its silent film. Its framed with the discipline of Resnais, Ozu and Frampton and Snow. But in the end: trust the face. Great cinema as it was designed to be.

Akerman made this when she was 24. When Dielman turned up as no 1 in the S&S poll (a silly exercise as all polls are but I will never have my tastes reflected to me like this again so let me enjoy it), people said Welles made Kane at the same age. But beyond that its just remarkable how she made so many more films of different shapes and sizes, like there is just no comparison in terms of achievement over time. The problem might be that Dielman seems like a film that needs to be be seen blown-up, and I'm not sure if this is going to be viable for much longer. Everything we make runs its course, and maybe that's an end for cinema.

^^Booming Post.

Excellent Sunday fare.

yes!

Wow. Thank you, that was a wonderful post to read!

Thanks, just trying to put stuff down.

I've been thinking of the different fates of sex worker/oppression-y films in the S&S top 100.

- Dielman as no1
- Wanda making it to the top 100 (not explicitly about a sex worker, but there is something here of a working class woman having v limited options to survive)
- In the Realm of the Senses: not being in the top 250 is a big miss. It isn't about sex work as such but it details a working class woman and her ways of survival. Oshima is a male director, and there is sex in this that is more pleasing to the gaze, but I don't feel he is judging her. There is a world here. I should re-watch, it's one of my favourite films.
- I also love Belle du Jour but it's not a favourite Bunuel. There is other Bunuel in the top 250 but not El, which really would fall in quite well alongside some of these films.

Also a film called Taxi Driver that deals with some of that fairly brutally.

I love Taxi Driver but I'm not so sure it belongs. Feels like that serve as more of an element in the psychodrama that's going on around Bickle.

Blind Spot (Von Alemann, 1981)

This film was on MUBI a few days ago. It's much less interesting as a narrative of a feminist researcher but there were so many great shots worthy of Ackerman. The corridors, the narrow streets, the spacious rooms, the corners, the restaurant. I recommend it as a follow-up

Blu Box:

https://www.criterion.com/boxsets/7045-chantal-akerman-masterpieces-19681978

Two month retro at the BFI!

https://whatson.bfi.org.uk/Online/default.asp?BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::permalink=chantal-akerman

A million years ago I saw Golden Eighties and Les Années 80 in a theatre and was an instant convert to Akerman, but also I was kind of anxious about seeing her other films, in case I didn’t enjoy them as much. Does that make sense? No, of course not, but it still happened.

Anyway, I finally watched Je Tu Il Elle last night and loved it. Extremely relatable content. We’ve all had our winter of sugar, and everything that follows, right?

Still hoping to see Jeanne for the first time in a theatre. Somehow I keep missing it.

https://silver.afi.com/Browsing/Movies/Details/f-0100004940

The restoration of Golden Eighties is coming to AFI Silver; I'm interested. Is anyone else here interested in going?

I'm probably gonna swing up for that one.

Some good writing about CA here.

https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/features/chantal-akerman-primer

Good. I've never seen any of her films!