Puta Madre! The Pedro Almodovar Poll

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I can't choose.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
1999 All About My Mother 6
2002 Talk to Her 4
2006 Volver 3
2004 Bad Education 3
1997 Live Flesh 3
1990 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! 3
1986 Matador 2
1986 The Law of Desire 2
1988 Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown 2
1991 High Heels 1
1993 Kika 0
1995 The Flower of My Secret 0
1984 Dark Habits 0
1984 What Have I Done to Deserve This? 0
1982 Labyrinth of Passion 0


Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 21:30 (ten years ago) link

Shamefully, I've only seen the last four. But of those: Talk to Her.

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 21:40 (ten years ago) link

I'd have to watch Women on the Verge again. Of the recent stuff, Bad Ed over Live Flesh.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 21:48 (ten years ago) link

Of the recent work All About My Mother has the slight edge over Volver. Choosing from the earlier work is difficult: Women has more jokes, Law of Desire has more beautiful Banderas and St Sebastian-esque gay kitsch.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 21:51 (ten years ago) link

Was really surprised how good Flower of My Secret was when I finally got to watch it. It was bad-mouthed pretty badly when it came out. Anyway I think I agree with Morbs except it's probably over All About My Mother rather than Live Flesh.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:20 (ten years ago) link

The torpid Kika (with a badly dubbed Peter Coyote) is the only one of the nineties films I've seen.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:42 (ten years ago) link

That was his nadir right there.

lemmy tristano (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:12 (ten years ago) link

I have serious problems with Talk to Her, from a no-I-don't-tend-to-sympathise-
with-the-rapist-and-why-would-I? kinda point of view.

For me Volver does what Almodóvar does best - lovingly represent women. Women on the Verge, for me, does the opposite of that. Too hysterical and neurotic by far.

Law of Desire is the oldest one I've seen. Feels a bit of its time.

Zoe Espera, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:08 (ten years ago) link

Of the early ones, Matador is probably the best.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:08 (ten years ago) link

By the by, I'm living in Madrid at the moment and CANNOT BUY Almodóvar dvds, box sets etc anywhere. A woman in a Corte Inglés brusquely told me they didn't stock them because nobody bought them. I've spoken to several people who reckon the majority of Spaniards are somewhere between indifferent about and completely in disgust of Almodóvar's body of work. As one charming young man put it to my husband: "It's all gays and drugs - and that's not Spain."

Zoe Espera, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:14 (ten years ago) link

Volver gets my vote - for sheer gorgeousness and lightness of spirit.

Zoe Espera, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:15 (ten years ago) link

Not that it's likely to win, but why did you leave out Pepi, Luci, Bom?

It's kinda difficult for me to choose which one to vote. The eighties films are more hysterical and funny, but the nineties films have more depth and emotional maturity in them. I was a bit dissappointed with Talk to Her (like Zoe I couldn't really get past the rapist thing) and Bad Education (which was more like his eighties films in that it was great genre excercise but had little depth beyond that). Haven't seen Volver yet.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 18:54 (ten years ago) link

I think I have to go for Live Flesh, which is both an over-the-top genre film and an emotionally mature story.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 18:57 (ten years ago) link

Though I wish someone will vote for Labyrinth of Passion and What Have I Done to Deserve This? too, since they're among the funniest and funnest movies I've ever seen.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 19:03 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:01 (ten years ago) link

Vote!

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:09 (ten years ago) link

I generally don't like his films, but Matador was a good one.

abanana, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:16 (ten years ago) link

I watched Dark Habits last week, now I've seen all of Almodovar's feature films except Volver and Pepi, Luci, Bom. It was a weird film even for Almodovar's standards, despite some over-the-top elements (nuns taking heroin, a live tiger kept in a monastery) it felt kinda low-key and melancholic, moreso than I would've expected for an 80s Almodovar. A few great scenes there, but overall it wasn't among my favourites.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:23 (ten years ago) link

I think it would be easier to choose his worst movie, which is no doubt Kika. All the other 90s films are universally good though, that was a great decade for him.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:28 (ten years ago) link

Has anyone here seen Pepi, Luci, Bom? Is it worth watching? I'm usually kinda wary of debut films...

Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:35 (ten years ago) link

In my head, recently, All About My Mother and Live Flesh were tied as my favourites. Everything since those two I've had problems with, esp. Talk To Her for similar reasons as Zoe. But I saw Live Flesh again the other day and its melodrama seemed much emptier than it did in my memory. So I voted for All About My Mother, and am scared of watching it again. I remember watching it on a summer's night at the Dalston Rio and skipping out feeling like Kingsland High St was Barcelona.

Alba, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:41 (ten years ago) link

Live Flesh dragged.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 15:22 (ten years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 19 February 2009 00:01 (ten years ago) link

i'm sad that pepi, luci, bom... was left out. that's actually one of my top almodóvar movies. (those todo sobre mi madre is top for me.)

xpost yes, definitely check out pepi, luci, bom. it's kind of ridiculous, but it fits perfectly with what was going on in madrid at the time, la movida. hilarious. also, it's got alaska in it!

art hums, Thursday, 19 February 2009 01:17 (ten years ago) link

Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! was the beginning of his nineties slump. Who picked this?!

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2009 01:18 (ten years ago) link

I surprised that Women on the Verge didn't get more votes, it would have been my pick.

Moodles, Thursday, 19 February 2009 02:33 (ten years ago) link

I think people voted for the one they saw, assuming All About My Mother is the most widely seen one. I've seen his 5 most recent and AAMM is the weakest for my money, but still quite good. Volver, La Mala Educación, Talk to Her, Live Flesh all GREAT

DJ Mr. Face Stabba, M.D. (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 19 February 2009 04:00 (ten years ago) link

What makes you think AMMM is the most widely seen? Volver was on at my local multiplex for ages and seemed by far biggest platform release so far, and got a huge boost when Penelope Cruz was nominated for an Oscar in it.

Alba, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:23 (ten years ago) link

wau... am I only seeing half this thread? where does zoe outline why she dislikes talk to her?

cozwn, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:37 (ten years ago) link

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:08

Alba, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:40 (ten years ago) link

weird, I logged out and it showed up

bizarre

cozwn, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:41 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

Have any of our European friends seen Abrazos Rotos yet? It doesn't come out in the US till December :/ Such a long lag time!

send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement (Whitey on the Moon), Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:28 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

just watched the charlie rose interview w/ pedro & penelope cruz ~ nice that almodovar said he's more enthusiastic abt making movies than ever before

cant tell if broken embraces is gonna catch on/get distributed as much as volver

johnny crunch, Sunday, 22 November 2009 17:26 (nine years ago) link

Charlie Rose comes on at 1 am over here.

bamcquern, Sunday, 22 November 2009 18:44 (nine years ago) link

old movies vs new movies

warmsherry, Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:18 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, it kind of was. No votes for Flower of My Secret.

bamcquern, Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:20 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Broken Embraces was sorta like bad de Palma.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 12:34 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

sadly, ^this is kinda true; 'girls and suitcases' is a great title tho, and seemed more interesting than the rest of the plot

johnny crunch, Saturday, 26 December 2009 04:55 (nine years ago) link

that's cuz it was women on teh verge!

reagan & sarah (s1ocki), Saturday, 26 December 2009 17:30 (nine years ago) link

hey Bad Education is maybe even better than I remembered.

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 January 2010 01:47 (nine years ago) link

so great

Underrated half-assterpiece (Matt P), Friday, 1 January 2010 01:50 (nine years ago) link

rented 'talk to her' last weekend but didn't get to see it :(

watched the scott walker documentary and part of 'our hitler' instead

Underrated half-assterpiece (Matt P), Friday, 1 January 2010 01:51 (nine years ago) link

watched what have i done to deserve this? - it's good!

seeing as ive only seen the top-3 finishers in this poll (plus broken embraces) im planning to gradually go thru the rest in the near future

johnny crunch, Monday, 4 January 2010 22:47 (nine years ago) link

Broken Embraces was engaging but somewhat anticlimactic.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Monday, 4 January 2010 23:00 (nine years ago) link

What is the best movie to see Rossy de Palma in?

all the early ones.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 January 2010 23:07 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Really enjoyed Broken Embraces but sort of struggled to defend it to the (not impressed) friend I'd seen it with

"I get through more mojitos.." (bear, bear, bear), Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:35 (nine years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Has anyone seen Kika? It looks really quirky/awesome/etc (plus Rossy de Palma!) but I'm worried I'd find this whole lolrapey thing really really uncomfortable

vienn?tta (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 30 January 2011 17:04 (eight years ago) link

I saw it a looooooooong time ago, can't really remember squat.

Feeling really uncomfortable is not always/usually a bad thing.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 January 2011 17:29 (eight years ago) link

do you like gay?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 22:17 (two years ago) link

its the whiff of telenovela that bugs me

Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 22:25 (two years ago) link

What Have I Done to Deserve This? and Broken Embraces at 18 and 17 is definitely wrong! Broken Embraces, especially, is severely underestimated. But who puts WHIDTDT lower than Kika and Dark Habits?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 22:51 (two years ago) link

I saw What Have I Done to Deserve This? again a couple months ago and would place it in his top five w/out hesitation.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 22:52 (two years ago) link

Well, the battle for top five is tough, but top ten, definitely! I'll also say Almodovar has made few images as touching as the one in Broken Embraces of the blind film director, clawing at the screen with the blurry picture of his lost love.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 22:59 (two years ago) link

This one:

http://kronoper.dk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2533_5.jpg

Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 23:01 (two years ago) link

Kika and Broken Embraces are the only two of his films I shun like lepers.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 23:02 (two years ago) link

:(

I get Kika, but why Broken Embraces? Except that it's dark and depressing, especially for Almodovar.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 23:03 (two years ago) link

hm sry that list is wack

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:21 (two years ago) link

long profile of him in this wks nyer btw

johnny crunch, Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:26 (two years ago) link

NY MoMA retro underway, think i will go see some of the saucy '80s stuff again

https://www.moma.org/calendar/film/3611?locale=en

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:30 (two years ago) link

The only one i really hated when i saw it was Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! I'm willing to rewatch tho.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:36 (two years ago) link

I rematched its spiffy new DVD release, still think it begins the fallow period. But – mm Antonio.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:41 (two years ago) link

don't think i've ever seen Dark Habits, or his debut, gonna prioritize those.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:46 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

no wonder PC got an Oscar nom for Volver - way to save the sleazy reveal until the very end. I have to rewatch it but I remember Broken Embraces being much better - at least less lopsided.

hope his new one makes it to the USA this year

flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 17:07 (six months ago) link

Broken Embraces is too languorous for me. He's best when sleazy + fast.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:22 (six months ago) link

I love the melancholy of Broken Embraces

Frederik B, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:40 (six months ago) link

I remember Volver feeling like a step back after Bad Education and Talk to Her, but not a huge one.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:43 (six months ago) link

it's good, a little light, and definitely mining the Academy vein. Too long though, and that reveal isn't given its due.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:39 (six months ago) link

i watched 'the flower of my secret' tnight, odd one; i liked it but w some reservations

johnny crunch, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:51 (six months ago) link

I've wondered how audiences would accept Talk to Her's premise in 2019; I own it but haven't watched it in years.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:02 (six months ago) link

I gave it to a friend for her birthday recently, knowing nothing about it besides Almodovar. She was... a little perplexed

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:25 (six months ago) link

I just had a copy lying around and thought that was the one that won an Oscar, and how much safer can you get?

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:26 (six months ago) link

I watched "Talk to Her" for the first time maybe 6 years ago and HAAAAATED it

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:48 (six months ago) link

I should prob rewatch it but I found it p repugnant and lacking all of the verve and flourish that I loved

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:49 (six months ago) link

Almodovar is ... not my favorite director.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:59 (six months ago) link

The eighties films remain wonderful entertainments, and his late '90s comeback was cool. I don't fault straight critics for not realizing that his genuine affection for female performers rests on a homosexual's idea of feminine comportment, filtered through decades of telenovelas and Joan Crawford flicks.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:17 (six months ago) link

Don't fault this gay critic (sic) for his genuine affection for Bad Education over anything else he's seen by Almodovar.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:23 (six months ago) link

gay critic (sick)

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:25 (six months ago) link

five months pass...

Went to see Pain & Glory / Dolor y Gloria last night and really liked it. Amazingly this was the first of his films I've ever seen. Pleased and surprised to spot/hear Rosalía in it very briefly.

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 12:51 (one month ago) link

The only thing I disliked were the graphics. I loved the set of difficult conversations between son and mother. Really powerful.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 12:58 (one month ago) link

Do you mean the computer animated interlude describing Salvador's ailments early on? I couldn't help but laugh at that, as well as with it.

Yep, the later bits with his mother were good. There were several very emotional scenes that worked really well for me, especially revolving around the 'Addiction' performance. I liked the relatively quiet restraint of it all, even in those moments.

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 13:21 (one month ago) link

Yeah that interlude.

I liked the calculated restraint of 'addiction'. More in the prep for it than the actual performance as shown.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 13:25 (one month ago) link

has this gotten US distro yet?

I rewatched Broken Embraces yesterday and it's even better than I remember, imo his best

flappy bird, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:02 (one month ago) link

*not yesterday, recently- along with many others

flappy bird, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:03 (one month ago) link

It plays at a local Miami fest the first week of October.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:03 (one month ago) link

Yeah, this is really good. And it might finally get people to take late depressed Almodovar seriously, that is, everything after Volver. I agree, Broken Embraces might be his best.

Frederik B, Friday, 30 August 2019 11:32 (one month ago) link

I watched Live Flesh last night, which more than any other of his I've seen felt like a precursor to Broken Embraces.

flappy bird, Friday, 30 August 2019 16:32 (one month ago) link

ah we're getting Pain & Glory in October! fantastic

flappy bird, Friday, 30 August 2019 16:58 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Just finished a wee run of four of his latter films at the local independent cinema over the last month (All About My Mother, Talk To Her, Volver, The Skin I Live In) that tied in with his 70th birthday and the release of Pain & Glory, which I saw just before these. I also saw Women On The Verge Of A Nervous Breakdown on Mubi last week.

I liked them all, but Volver was probably my favourite. All About My Mother won in terms of pure emotion and was the one that made me cry in the cinema. Talk To Her pitched the weird, dark comedy aspects perfectly. I really enjoyed The Skin I Live In, but something about it didn't quite work for me. Women On The Verge Of A Nervous Breakdown was funny, but felt a bit messy and light (?) in direct comparison to all those later films - it was really interesting to see the development from there through All About My Mother and into the 2000's though.

Right now I'd vote for Volver from what I've seen if this poll reran.

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 10:18 (two weeks ago) link

Check out Broken Embraces, imo his best & oft overlooked

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:26 (two weeks ago) link

I watched The Skin I'm In again last night, and, well, nope: still a stiff. I prefer my Pedro with jokes and camp; when he's serious, his films linger on the unpleasantness (confining women, rape, etc). This seems to happen every couple decades. In the nineties he beached himself between High Heels and All About My Mother with dreary melodramas where the resin's drained from the tree.

Anyway, the new one makes its South Florida debut next week at a festival.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:30 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, The Skin I'm In seems extremely unpleasant to me as well.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:39 (two weeks ago) link

I dug it but Broken Embraces is much less schticky, p much just a straight noir, very compelling

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 October 2019 00:57 (two weeks ago) link

Antonio Banderas is warm and wary and watchful in a way he's never been; he deserves the acclaim. His scene with the ex-lover is poignant. Otherwise, I can't explain the acclaim for this second-tier Almodovar other than critics are suckers for films about films.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:17 (one week ago) link

are you referring to Pain and Glory?

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:22 (one week ago) link

yeah

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:23 (one week ago) link

This; plus the borrowing from Taste of Cherry in the last shot.

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 00:12 (three days ago) link

just got out of P&G, really enjoyed it. wasn't like rapturously engaged or crying thru the closing credits - just engaged and interested and sympathetic the whole way. i appreciated the loose-threadyness of it - "loose" in something like the way "messy" is used as a compliment. the ex-lover scene was the high point for sure but there was a lot of great stuff.

weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 01:32 (three days ago) link

xp Whoa!

Seeing this in a week

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 02:00 (three days ago) link


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