who are you a stan of?

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who do you defend to an unnecessary degree? who do you know embarrassingly minute trivia about? who has induced you to spend more money than warranted for cultural products?

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

inspired by realizing yesterday i am basically a huge obama stan

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

i am also a stan of:

  • bruce springsteen
  • biggie
  • jacques derrida
  • peter gabriel
  • lydia davis
  • j.l. borges
  • james joyce
  • various former professors

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

I are a stan of myself.

StanM, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

good question!

im having a hard time answering it tho.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

i was sort of tempted to include specific movies & books & tv shows on this list since i act the same way toward them w/ the excessive defending & knowing-way-too-much, but im pretty sure you can only be a stan of a person and not of say blade runner

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:19 (twelve years ago) link

nabokov

spells don't effect me, just hit em for the xp (Lamp), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:21 (twelve years ago) link

first that come to mind are:

david foster wallace
tom waits
woody allen

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

btw my list up there is basically ppl who i am ok with admitting i am a stan of, there is probably another list where i find my standom embarrassing and will not reveal it

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

yr okay with admitting to be a derrida stan? lol.

special guest stars mark bronson, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

??? put up ur list, fool

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

lol i am trying to hold back from getting into it re: derrida and launching some kind of impassioned & unnecessary defense, thus confirming my standom

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

Should I start a stanclub?

StanM, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

special guest stars mark bronson

spells don't effect me, just hit em for the xp (Lamp), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

Hold on, bathroom break, the shit hits the stan

StanM, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

Orson Welles
Bis
MBV
Ipswich Town Football Club

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

max, you must be a stan of markets and their unmatched power to expand freedom.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

Syd Barrett
Renegade Soundwave
Thomas Leer
Richard Widmark

dan selzer, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

Michelle Marsh
Sophie Howard
Lucy Pinder
Keeley Hazel
Marc Loi

'92 ron fan (gnarly sceptre), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:07 (twelve years ago) link

Oh god, my list is probably just a bunch of guitar players, I suck.

╓abies, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

Frank Zappa, but not as much as I used to be.

WmC, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

Michael Mann, Leonard Cohen, Gregory Mosher, Peter Brook, Deborah Warner.

Eazy, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

Thomas Pynchon
New Order

Are the two that spring immediately to mind

I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

john waters
joan didion

armatrader joan's (donna rouge), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

right now I am a huge stan of Dashiell Hammett

rosemary endtimes (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

joan didion
arthur russell
philip roth

t_g, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

I...don't know? I think other people would have to tell me because they're always bored by hearing it from me.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

*Poison
*Alice Cooper
*Transformers
*James Kochalka

All in terms of the money spending aspect.

jel --, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

d.f.w.
david lynch
courtney love

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

> I think other people would have to tell me because they're always bored by hearing it from me.

This sounds lke a useful definition, and keeping it in mind:

The Wire
Jim Woodring
Grant Morrison
Thomas Pynchon
Lynda Barry
Peanuts
King of the Hill up to season 7 or so

Barack History Month (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

NY Mets
Russell Feingold
Preston Sturges
Kiki & Herb (RIP)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

Shirley Collins
Josephine Foster
La Lupe

shiitake maki (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

also: bars with way too many beers on tap

Barack History Month (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

how could I forget

Judith Light
Julie Andrews

shiitake maki (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

Pulp and the Cure and, according to a conversation I found myself having, an old boss who's apparently being taken to court by loads of creditors...

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

Joan Didion, Souled American

J0hn D., Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

i am also a woody allen and courtney love stan. i am like this about 2 million people, though; it would take me forever to think of them all. peyton manning, obvs.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

faulkner--though i know he has his faults

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

Tove Jansson

thunda lightning (clotpoll), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

Brian Bendis, though it pains me to admit it.

WmC, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

Mario Vargas Llosa.
Ricardo Villalobos.
Henrik Larsson.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

what is this word "stan"?

caek, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

xpost. plus swiftly becoming a Roberto Bolaño stan.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

what is this word "stan"?

― caek, Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:00 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

short for "stanley"

s1ocki, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

Arsene Wenger.

a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

Robyn Hitchcock
Eddie Campbell
Thomas Pynchon

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:32 (twelve years ago) link

nrq otm

cozwn, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

will stan for jd on occasion myself tho

cozwn, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

Alfred Hitchcock
The Mekons

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Nabakov
DFW
McSweeneys
Jonathan Lethem
Foetus

Barackman Hussein Overdrive (John Justen), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

(i am on the spectrum if 14 years yesterday of my posts hadn't alerted u to this)

imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:10 (eight months ago) link

Stan 4 critical support only.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:11 (eight months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/kWExY2b.jpg

pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:12 (eight months ago) link

Not that I disagree, mind you. I've mostly given up, however.

pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:13 (eight months ago) link

Every fandom is made up of larger or smaller numbers of individual fans tho, so it's either false consciousness en masse or maybe just maybe an individual's dislike is just their own private anti-fandom, no distortion necessary or possible

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:13 (eight months ago) link

the distortions in this case are not dislikes, they are slavish, aggressive defences of the stan object

imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:14 (eight months ago) link

It seems to me that analysing why I don't like something is way more likely to lead to insight than theorising why a bunch of strangers do like something

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:16 (eight months ago) link

like they'd berate people into listening to Irrlicht a hundred times

LOL. I have listened to it a fair bit myself mind you.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:17 (eight months ago) link

but i do quite like the new taylor swift album despite not liking her as a person (see triggercut post upthread)

imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:17 (eight months ago) link

I initially misread that as 'liberate people into listening to Irrlicht' and was like 'yeah, that's exactly it'.

xp

pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:18 (eight months ago) link

I think 99% of the Taylor fandom on Twitter is performative, though maybe people making threatening comments about the p4k review or whatever are going too far (if they're actually serious). Maybe Taylor Swift could say something to stop that, but idk if she really needs to or if it would be helpful, b/c there are obsessive weirdos to be found in every pop niche cult.

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:20 (eight months ago) link

"I agree that people with fans should publicly denounce threats and bigotry from their fans."

They should, but tbh I doubt it would stop them -- taking this from the way I've seen political crankery operate on twitter -- so it should be the publication taking steps to protect the writer's welfare.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:20 (eight months ago) link

Read a thread from a Guardian writer (not a regular) last week who said she was doing a piece, detailing the care and attention and reading she put into it...but she also said that issue was so contentious that she was going to lock her account for a week so that people don't send her abuse via twitter. Very much where we are.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:25 (eight months ago) link

lj agonistes

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:29 (eight months ago) link

Fragments of a Pitchforkian Melodrama

pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 14:32 (eight months ago) link

You're right about employers's duty of care Alph yes

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 July 2020 14:40 (eight months ago) link

Read a thread from a Guardian writer (not a regular) last week who said she was doing a piece, detailing the care and attention and reading she put into it...but she also said that issue was so contentious that she was going to lock her account for a week so that people don't send her abuse via twitter. Very much where we are.

― xyzzzz__, Monday, July 27, 2020 10:25 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is more "where we are" a few years ago (also, locking one's account doesn't totally stop it, although it does filter a great deal. but then of course if you get doxed locking your account is just a bandaid)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:47 (eight months ago) link

also:

It's notable that some ilxors including but not limited to you imago seem to get especially exercised by this when very popular artists with big fan bases including professional writers have got a new record out.

― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, July 27, 2020 10:06 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I didn't want to be an asshole about this but several hours later it's still one of the most asinine things I have read all week, which now includes tweets by stans. no fucking shit this happens primarily for very popular artists with big fan bases, given that it is those big fan bases that tend to harass people. this really is not very difficult logic at all.

(and also I think we can spare the handwringing about "they're just expressing their shameless devotion, get over it" when such expressions of devotion involve doxing and spamming writers' phones since the dread positive reivew went up at 1 a.m.)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 27 July 2020 19:21 (eight months ago) link

tbf to NV he was referring to my iconoclastic instinct towards the music itself rather than my censure of stans

in this case as I say I quite liked the music so my ire is really only reserved for the stans and a little bit for taytay for not calling them off

imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 19:34 (eight months ago) link

"(also, locking one's account doesn't totally stop it, although it does filter a great deal. but then of course if you get doxed locking your account is just a bandaid)"

I wasn't arguing it was, just relating back what the writer was saying. The Guardian link the writer to their social media (usually twitter) account.

Agree its bandaid, it needs publications and twitter to make a joint effort to stop this. But that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 July 2020 19:39 (eight months ago) link

The Swifties are mad at the New York Times because Jon Caramanica is a "pop music critic" and Folklore is an "indie alternative" album, and so his review is clearly "biased and unprofessional."

jaymc, Monday, 27 July 2020 20:53 (eight months ago) link

Good Lord.

Hi, I’ve decided to contact you in light of folklore’s new album review. Given that the critic that has analyzed the album hasn’t looked at the album objectively but instead compared it to her older work and previous genre -

— Michael Pratini #Folklore (@michaelpratini) July 26, 2020


- personal taste has been involved in the review as well as bias from the critic which altered the actual review and analysis of the album. Please remove the review and assign it to someone more professional, preferably an experienced alternative listener. Sincerely.

— Michael Pratini #Folklore (@michaelpratini) July 26, 2020

jaymc, Monday, 27 July 2020 20:56 (eight months ago) link

Oh, and they're lobbying Metacritic to remove Caramanica's review for the same reason. SMH.

jaymc, Monday, 27 July 2020 20:57 (eight months ago) link

lmao stans own

||||||||, Monday, 27 July 2020 20:59 (eight months ago) link

doxxing can gtf tho

||||||||, Monday, 27 July 2020 20:59 (eight months ago) link

Maybe this will get people to ease up on the Zoomer fetishizing

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 27 July 2020 22:30 (eight months ago) link

this is an unexpected turn in the poptimism/rockism war

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, 27 July 2020 22:38 (eight months ago) link

Unexpected, you say...

pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 22:39 (eight months ago) link

stans of indie rock star taylor swift harassing jon caramanica over his love of frivolous pop music

we must reunite the four crystals to make the world right again

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, 27 July 2020 22:43 (eight months ago) link

"change the score, tell us how much you want we can make a fund"

I think we've found a way to save music journalism.

jmm, Monday, 27 July 2020 22:43 (eight months ago) link

all this because swift decided to do her man of the woods phase a bit early (i'm just assuming that's what this album is i'm not gonna listen to it)

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, 27 July 2020 22:44 (eight months ago) link

crowdfunding BNMs.....it could work!

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 22:50 (eight months ago) link

Justin Timberlake must be seething.

pomenitul, Monday, 27 July 2020 22:51 (eight months ago) link

Michael Pratini...from one of the greatest footballers of the 80s, to the UEFA scandal, and now this; how can a man sink any lower

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 12:21 (eight months ago) link

He could talk about how he is "on the spectrum" to justify his terrible posts?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:06 (eight months ago) link

if you'll forgive me (don't bother) for lapsing into stan mode, the stan of self, the one true eternal stan: why do you even post, everyone fucking hates you

imago, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:17 (eight months ago) link

I like posting.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:27 (eight months ago) link

https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2020/aug/03/taylor-swift-folklore-hardcore-pop-fans-abusing-critics-stan?

"This is horrible, anti-artistic behaviour from people wanting total consensus. That would be a strange and damaging thing to want even in politics, where some degree of consensus is necessary to make a democracy run. In art though, this impulse is downright fascistic."

Lol @ anti-artistic behaviour. Also berating (mainly) young people for fascism when the parents vote Trump and Tory.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 09:14 (eight months ago) link

i give folklore zero stars. take that, stans!!

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 10:36 (eight months ago) link

I did a vote last week, we decided narrowly that everything is bad.

Who are the real villains?

* Publications which insist on grading music to decimal places
* Obsessive stans who launch petitions to have any non-fawning reviews taken down
* Music writers who are still somehow employed in 2020, so must have done kind of faustian pact.

— Centuries of Sound (@Centuries_Sound) July 28, 2020

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 11:23 (eight months ago) link

I read some people on Facebook commenting that Swift's silence re: the harassment Mapes and Empire was "disgusting". I thought about responding there but decided to type it here.

People decrying Swift's silence, people targeting Mapes for her review, people piling on JK Rowling for being an TERFy idiot, the fact that Swift likely has to deal with a weekly attempt at a break-in, B-list musicians getting stalked, C-list musicians getting stalked-- this is all symptomatic of the same issue. The issue: individuals who have obtained even a modicum of visibility by dint of their occupation become subject to immense demonstrations of onlooker entitlement. Onlookers demonstrate entitlement over the visible individual's attention, their opinions, their bodies, and responding with immense resentment when their entitlement is met with resistance. (I don't want to focus on "stans" because I don't think it's just "stans" who do this-- even certain professional music writers themselves absolutely veer outside the realm of objectivity and demonstrate immense levels of entitlement upon their subject, even to the point of obvious narcissistic abuse.)

"Twitter" is a catalyst, not the problem itself. I don't know what the problem is, but I think it's a metaproblem that is woven into the very fabric of concepts of "visibility" and "culture industry".

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 11:35 (eight months ago) link

tbf Rowling would probably not be getting abuse for being a terf is she didn't persistently keep posting terf shit on Twitter

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 11:39 (eight months ago) link

I'm not saying that Rowling doesn't deserve the abuse, or defending her in any way shape or form. I'm just saying: it's abuse, it's not actually criticism. (You know, forget that I ever mentioned Rowling, to me she's literally not important and I've found over the past month that when I even mention her in passing, people will frothingly defend their inalienable right to frame the transparent online abuse she's received as "criticism", and I feel ridiculous even talking about it any more considering that I, too, agree that Rowling's comments were fucking foul, and I have no personal use for her presence or work in my life henceforth.)

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 11:46 (eight months ago) link

I agree that there's a lot of abuse which is beyond the pale, and I agree that people are not fair game because they happen to have some level of celebrity

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 11:48 (eight months ago) link

Don't use Twitter would seem to be one way out of this.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:03 (eight months ago) link

Yes. Several A-list musicians I am acquainted with do not engage with social media in any capacity-- two particularly famous clients don't own phones at all and communicate solely via e-mail. But: Twitter is just a pressure cooker for a broader cultural problem.

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:40 (eight months ago) link

In what ways does it happen outside of Twitter? Feels like Twitter fuels it behind the scenes either way.

Evan, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 13:25 (eight months ago) link

harassment of people in the public sphere/their relatives happened long before twitter!! harassment can take many forms, it's just easier now

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 13:29 (eight months ago) link

Also, writers/journalists have good reason to feel they must be on twitter for professional reasons

rob, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 13:34 (eight months ago) link

I suppose I assumed fgti was talking more about when people gang up to do it but I misread.

Evan, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 13:34 (eight months ago) link


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