The Martin Luther King Thread

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Because we don't have one.

And because I want to relate that when my wife taught her kindergarten class about King, and about the fact that he had been killed, the reactions included,

"I saw that plane"

"Obama died?"


"He's a mummy!"

Joe Bob 1 Tooth (Hurting 2), Sunday, 18 January 2009 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

"I saw that plane" ??????


The plane that crashed in the Hudson.

Joe Bob 1 Tooth (Hurting 2), Sunday, 18 January 2009 04:10 (twelve years ago) link

way to go, kindergartners.

"Set phasers to thrill!" (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 January 2009 07:08 (twelve years ago) link

Taylor Branch last year, still on point:

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 18 January 2009 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

You all know that Martin Luther King was a womanizer, right?

Lord Byron Lived Here, Sunday, 18 January 2009 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

ahoy! to the challops thread!

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Sunday, 18 January 2009 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 January 2009 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

King was a womanizer

We have J. Edgar Hoover to thank for this piece of sleaze getting into the public eye, and we all know how lovely J-Eddie looked in a girdle, lipstick and pillbox hat, don't we?

Aimless, Sunday, 18 January 2009 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

You all know that Martin Luther King was a womanizer, right?

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should we try and guess what controversial regular this must be

s1ocki, Monday, 19 January 2009 01:58 (twelve years ago) link

having sex with lots of bitches just ups his esteem in my eyes

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Monday, 19 January 2009 02:07 (twelve years ago) link

My 12 grade Participation in Government class liked to bring the womanizing bit up a lot.

tokyo rosemary, Monday, 19 January 2009 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

I'm also trying to remember if he said King was a Communist, too.

tokyo rosemary, Monday, 19 January 2009 03:05 (twelve years ago) link

Inappropriate. Does this person even read?

u s steel, Monday, 19 January 2009 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

And do you guys know that Dr. King would have been against affirmative action? That's right! He wanted to be judged on the content of his character, not the color of his skin. QED!

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 January 2009 10:02 (twelve years ago) link

That stuff comes from people who get their information from news soundbites.

u s steel, Monday, 19 January 2009 10:11 (twelve years ago) link

Hey, King said it, not me!

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 January 2009 10:29 (twelve years ago) link

I think (hope) you are being sarcastic. Otherwise this sort of stuff hurts people and is disrespectful toward people for whom Dr. King is very important.

u s steel, Monday, 19 January 2009 10:42 (twelve years ago) link

I am being sarcastic but sadly the likes of Charles Krauthammer et al are not.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 January 2009 12:53 (twelve years ago) link

CNN Polls be grim:

" The poll found 69 percent of blacks said King's vision has been fulfilled in the more than 45 years since his 1963 "I have a dream" speech -- roughly double the 34 percent who agreed with that assessment in a similar poll taken last March."


(I had something snarky lined up along the lines of '...just goes to show who does and doesn't know what MLK's dream is' or '...tell that to the mexican dudes in Long Island who were murdered in December because they were mexican' but it seemed too obvious...)

It does seem like we got James Brown's Funky President, however.

The average black person's "69%" might not mean the same thing as a white person's "69%". The way white people defensively use this stuff makes my skin crawl. Get over your discomfort with black people already.

u s steel, Monday, 19 January 2009 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like I'm directing my sentiments at anyone on THIS board. I mean, like, people in the media or people who go on and on about race without much of a personal investment in it.

u s steel, Monday, 19 January 2009 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

In any case, I'd rather read something positive or inspiring on this day than a bunch of negativity. It just seems that when race relations are brought up on the internet, we get a bunch of negativity or "debates". What about positive things that black people do? Or inspiring stories of change? Change doesn't happen unless we acknowledge that it happens. Positivity doesn't grow unless we are willing to see it. I hate to see cynicism associated with something as globally relevant as the Civil Rights Movement.

Not directed to anyone personally here, of course.

u s steel, Monday, 19 January 2009 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

A day for nonviolence

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 19 January 2009 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

I accuse Pete of being the Taylor Branch street team

TOMBOT, Monday, 19 January 2009 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

links are awesome btw

TOMBOT, Monday, 19 January 2009 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

I'll join a Taylor Branch street team, the three volume bio is amazing.

Euler, Monday, 19 January 2009 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

I can't make up my mind which factor has improved race relations in the US more: school desegregation or African-Americans getting full access to the ballot. I suspect the latter is uppermost, since so many other power issues flow outward from there.

MLKjr was the spearhead, but today is a good day to remember the mass of people, mainly black but also white, who were the spear. Same with Obama. He had (and has) many millions behind him, making a tailwind.

Aimless, Monday, 19 January 2009 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

just saw the 1970 "King" docfilm by Ely Landau, which is tremendously moving AND instructive with its footage of white ethnic Chicagoans being just as vile as Old Confederacy racists.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 January 2009 23:19 (twelve years ago) link

How do you know they were "white ethnics"? This is a horrible stereotype that has done a lot of damage to innocent Catholics who supported Dr. King.

(I remember those people, and they weren't all that "ethnic", so....)

Like I said, discussions like this always drift into negativity.

u s steel, Monday, 19 January 2009 23:58 (twelve years ago) link

Guys, let's put aside our differences for a moment and reflect on the idea of a mummy Martin Luther King terrorizing us all for disturbing his tomb...

Joe Bob 1 Tooth (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 04:09 (twelve years ago) link

u s steel, see the film and tell me I'm wrong. Blue-collar home-owning Chicagoans in '67 weren't mostly WASPs. There's a nun interviewed during the March on Washington, so I hope that balances the Catholic thing out for you.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

Io9 has a neat little piece about MLK in science fiction

kingfish, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

Did you live in Chicago during that period? Your generalizations are extremely hurtful toward MY RELATIVES from the south side who grieved for Dr. King. Are you implying that WASPs or affluent assimilated types are superior? That is what racists do. I would get off this aggressive line of yours. I find it vaguely threatening.

I guess humanity and compassion isn't part of your self-righteous agenda.

u s steel, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

s1ocki, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

? Nobody is making any universal condemnations. And I hope you're taking the piss.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

You are, too. When I attended Northwestern, smug affluent north siders - who never sacrificed a thing for desegregation or equal rights - had the same attitude toward ME, because I was a blue-collar "white ethnic".

You haven't explained to me where your experience comes from, other than a movie.

I find it disturbing and exclusionary that you are unwilling to listen to anyone but yourself.

u s steel, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

OK, joke's over

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

Trying to make this less adversarial - I'm not trying to deny that those people were around in large numbers, I had to deal with quite a few myself growing up. But a lot of frustration we had when I was a kid in the seventies was with people who didn't want to "get involved" or who avoided the subject of race, who didn't want to take any risks, or who just did what they were "told".

My only point is that bigotry, in my experience, isn't confined to a particular region, class or "ethnicity".

u s steel, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

way to go thread!!

o_O (ken c), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

interesting thread...

happy MLK day! i want to read some MLK today, what are your favorite essays/speeches/letters of his? he really was a superb writer, something that (understandably) isn't often mentioned

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 January 2012 16:41 (nine years ago) link

there's an 'autobiography' that some scholars assembled from his private and public papers; don't know how it's considered.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:28 (nine years ago) link

I was just thinking about his Letter from Birmingham Jail earlier today.

nah (crüt), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:42 (nine years ago) link

wish every self-styled 'real conservative' who goes on about the wisdom and forbearance of william f buckley would be forced to read that article.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:27 (nine years ago) link

I was just thinking about his Letter from Birmingham Jail earlier today.

― nah (crüt), Monday, January 16, 2012 1:42 PM (2 hours ago)

yeah this is just a breathtaking piece of work, the thing that made me really go "wow this dude can WRITE"

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:09 (nine years ago) link

just got back from our local mlk march, v civil, almost solemn tne

oneohtrix and park (m bison), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:14 (nine years ago) link


oneohtrix and park (m bison), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:14 (nine years ago) link

Today's google doodle is a little awkwardly realized. Not that I think there's anything o_O about it, just kind of forced to spelle Google at the expense of actually being a good image of MLK.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 18 January 2016 15:49 (five years ago) link

in that speech he repeatedly calls out "Democratic Party patronage" and "the Daley machine." Didn't the man know about LESSER EVILS???

also opens with a Klan joke

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 January 2016 15:52 (five years ago) link

happy MLK day.

i visited the King Center last month when a friend visited from out of town. finally got to sit down in Ebeneezer Baptist Church, so beautiful. if anyone makes a trip down there today be sure you stop by the Sweet Auburn Curb Market right down the street.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 January 2016 17:56 (five years ago) link

We went to the King memorial in Washington this morning - nice to see people there in spite of a cold windy day. One of my companions still can't get past the fact that the job went to a Chinese sculptor (couldn't get a black person, or an American?). Noted that they've buffed off all evidence of the controversial "drum major" quote from the statue.

it takes the village people (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 18 January 2016 20:23 (five years ago) link

eleven months pass...

"What is that goddamned ****** preacher doing to me?" - LBJ

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 January 2017 14:57 (four years ago) link

Kennedy aides finally scheduled King's private audience with the President early on a weekend morning. Then, having secured King's acceptance, they sandwiched him between an even earlier presidential meeting with Roy Wilkins and a later one with all the major civil rights leaders ... Only then did Kenneth O'Donnell notify King that he was expected to stay on for the larger meeting, which White House press officials presented publicly as the major story ... Taking the best he could get, King kept his White House appointment on Saturday, June 22.

While Roy Wilkins met first with President Kennedy, [Asst. Atty. Gen] Burke Marshall gathered privately with King and several SCLC aides ... Marshall took King aside for one of those urgently confidential government discussions ... King could no longer defer the threat of Communist infiltration in the SCLC, Marshall warned. Specifically, he must sever relations with Stanley Levison, who was a Communist functionary, and with Jack O'Dell, whom Levison had "planted" ... King's first reaction was to shrug in amused disbelief ... When he tried to tell Marshall that there must be some mistake, some confusion perhaps between an outright Communist and a person who had sympathized with Marxist tenets, Marshall contradicted him. This was not paranoid mush, he said, but hard intelligence from the very pinnacle of the U.S. government. Levison ... was "a paid agent of the Soviet Communist apparatus" ... When King asked to see proof, the point Marshall stressed was that neither he nor King was in a position to second-guess the highest U.S. national security experts, and even if they were ... the controlling fact was that President Kennedy was about to "put his whole political life on the line" with the civil rights bill, and the President simply could not make himself vulnerable to charges of Communist association.

Seeing from King's face that he was not convinced, Marshall was obliged to deliver him straightaway to Robert Kennedy for another round on the same subject. The initiative for these confrontations had come from the Attorney General, who had called J. Edgar Hoover the previous Monday to arrange a special FBI briefing on just how dramatic and explicit he could make the new warning to King ... Hoover was only too happy to comply ... For once, Kennedy was pushing Hoover about the threat of domestic subversion instead of vice versa. Now the Attorney General found it worth paying tribute to Hoover in order to gain a measure of control over King. Here was a man who was boring in on the White House, threatening to deform or destroy its domestic political base, and yet he held no public office, displayed no personal ambitions that could be traded on, succeeded by methods such as going to jail, and thrived on the very upheavals that most unsettled the Administration... With King talking of a demonstration that might turn the capital into a giant Birmingham, Robert Kennedy ... would gain a bargaining hold if King admitted his movement was poisoned.

But King shrugged off Robert Kennedy too. He kept asking for proof, saying that these terrible spy terms did not ring true of the men he had known so well ... Everybody he knew in the movement had been called a Communist for years, himself included. People across the South were calling even Robert Kennedy a Communist ... Kennedy insisted that this was different ... Levison's true nature was even more fiendish than he was being allowed to tell King, and ... evidence came from the highest and most sophisticated machinery of American espionage ... To King, however, these state secrets only fed the spiral of disbelief. The higher Kennedy reached for authority, the less his descriptions sounded like the Levinson whom King knew. The more Kennedy evoked the omniscience of the government's central brain, the more that brain sounded like an ordinary segregationist....

When King walked into the Oval Office, President Kennedy asked him to take a private stroll outdoors in the Rose Garden. When they were alone he said, "I assume you know you're under very close surveillance." King said little in reply.... The President's manner employed the most potent combination of power and intimacy to warn that King could have no secrets....

The President put a hand on his shoulder and almost whispered that he had to "get rid of" Levison and O'Dell. "They're Communists," Kennedy said. When King replied that he was not sure what that meant, as Hoover considered a great many people Communists, President Kennedy came back instantly with specifics ... Stanley Levison's position was too highly classified for him to give details, but the President could say that Levison was O'Dell's "handler" ... These were the hard facts, said Kennedy. O'Dell was fully engaged in conspiracy as the "number five Communist in the United States."

"I don't know how he's got time to do all that," [King] managed to reply. "He's got two jobs with me...." Kennedy stressed the international implications of the threat by declaring that both Levison and O'Dell were "agents of a foreign power...." [King] said he would need to see proof before he could believe such things of these men.

President Kennedy took another tack. "You've read about Profumo in the papers?" he asked... the British Secretary of State for War had given his name to a sensational scandal by first denying, then admitting, that he had carried on an extramarital affair with a gorgeous lady of the night ... who was simultaneously romancing a Soviet diplomat ... The ongoing revelations obsessed President Kennedy to the point that he had ordered all State Department cables on the Profumo case sent to him at full length, without summary.... Kennedy warned King that sudden explosions from the underworld of sex and spying could ruin public men.... Truth was only part of the equation.... King must not let his personal esteem for Levison blind him to the enormous stakes he was playing for.... "If they shoot you down, they'll shoot us down, too," Kennedy told King. "So we're asking you to be careful...."

King said he still would like to see some proof ... Rather than extend further appeals to King's trust, [Kennedy] broke off the discussion and led the way back inside from the Rose Garden.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 16 January 2017 18:04 (four years ago) link

O'Dell is still with us - 93yo, living in Vancouver.

Michael Jones, Monday, 16 January 2017 18:11 (four years ago) link


difficult listening hour, Monday, 16 January 2017 18:28 (four years ago) link

Hoover's dead, cardiac event. RFK and JFK both died by assassination. Only one of them has a day. History: occasionally just.

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 16 January 2017 18:57 (four years ago) link

I love the juxtaposition going on in that. All four big time American dudes from the history DLH excerpts above are dead. One died alone and unloved by anyone, from a heart attack, the rest of the US sigh of relief, etc. the building named after him is falling apart.

Three were assassinated. Two were Kennedys. One was president, the other would have been.

The last one was black, from Alabama.

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:10 (four years ago) link

i think abt this story a lot cuz it is so weirdly like a fairy tale -- the three encounters, each at a deeper level of the maze, the talisman of "show me it's true" met each time with "we can't show you, that's how true it is" until it's met in the garden at the center with "don't you understand -- it doesn't matter if it's true." the hero leaves a hero, having stood up under all the power there is, but he is still troubled by what he heard in the garden: truth is only part of the equation. if they shoot you down, they'll shoot us down too.

anyway the above is from vol 1 of taylor branch's MLK trilogy, which is as major as caro's johnson (lol) if a lot denser; every1 should read it. happy american pride day.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:19 (four years ago) link

Thanking u dlh (and the others here who've apparently mentioned it over the years) for introducing me to The King Years. Started reading volume one this weekend and that is pretty much all I did this weekend. It's clearly an important historical text but it also seems like a pretty crucial guidebook for navigating the landscape of today.

"Nay" (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 January 2017 13:32 (four years ago) link

glad! yeah among other things it is an excellent ~movement history~, v focused on tactics and responses and day-by-day events and a cast of hundreds whose synthesized interviews (check the endnotes, these are practically an oral history) are where the narrative voice is coming from. completely immersive but yes u feel the tether the whole time.

vol2 doubles as a malcolm x bio (+ history of NOI) and is my favorite, also of course feat.s the always-welcome character LBJ in strong supporting role. vol3 is fucking wrenching, if not the best book i've read about the late 60s then the richest.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 23 January 2017 19:12 (four years ago) link

also find it kinda uh, historiographically revelatory, that it is always at the same time a great-man history (my post above: big men talking in rooms) and a social history, one that's rly focused on collective action and the contexts that create movement (and on individuals whose names you don't already know). would admire this combination in any book but it's particularly apropos in this one, reinforces its themes, etc.. honestly the trilogy it reminds me of is trotsky's history of the revolution.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 23 January 2017 19:18 (four years ago) link

Need to ready Taylor Branch's bio.

― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 16, 2012 6:38 PM

I've fixed this.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 January 2017 19:35 (four years ago) link

couldn't remember if it confirmed Gore Vidal's anecdote concerning JFK and RFK calling Bayard Rustin "Martin Luther Queen" w/a snigger

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 January 2017 19:36 (four years ago) link

nor can i but it contains the one where MLK is watching JFK's funeral after months of being dicked around for an unmaterialized civil rights bill he does not now expect from LBJ, and sends hoover, thru the bugs, into orgasmic rage w a single remark as jackie kneels by the coffin

difficult listening hour, Monday, 23 January 2017 19:49 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

it's 50 years since the Beyond Vietnam speech

It was an acute and devastating threnody, which King read in a methodical cadence. He never broke from his script to preach that night—he scaled back his usual range of articulation to sound, Jones said, like “he was speaking a dissertation.” By the time he had gotten through the above section, he had exhausted any hope of finding a credible reason for the U.S. to maintain its involvement in the conflict. And this was nine months before the Tet offensive, a year before the massacre at My Lai. King was not backing into a widely sponsored position.

But ultimately he had his sights beyond the current war. “We as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values,” he said. “A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.” King warned of a time of endless war, when the U.S. would be trapped in one overseas entanglement after another while the gap at home between the rich and poor grew ever larger.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:21 (three years ago) link

Today, on the anniversary of his assassination, the FBI honors the life, work, & commitment of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. to justice.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 19:34 (three years ago) link


Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 19:48 (three years ago) link

Honoring him in death as they did in life. God bless them.

The Godzilla/Globetrotters Adventure Hour (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 19:52 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

any good new articles on Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.? usually there is all kinds of stuff even the pop culture sites run things like the comic book they did or some episode of a tv shows that talks about him, or other cultural retrospective, etc.

i just went to the NY Times and there's no story King or the march, there are two things on Trump and there is a "If We Had Cellphone Alerts in 1968: War. Assassinations. Protests. What would 1968 have looked like in news alerts?"

anybody see anything good today? i dont want to read about neo nazis again for godsake

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:51 (three years ago) link

or Aziz Ansari, who cares about this dude

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:53 (three years ago) link

good stuff here

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:56 (three years ago) link

In Trump Remarks, Black Churches See a Nation Backsliding

On the day before Martin Luther King’s Birthday, churchgoers said Mr. Trump’s denigration of immigrants was one more turn toward an uglier past in America.

this is the one story on the NY Times front page right now that mentions Dr. King and it's about Donald Trump

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:59 (three years ago) link

And another great piece she wrote back in Jan 2016:

Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 15 January 2018 20:43 (three years ago) link

That painting by the Haitian artist is great (probably already on your FB wall, so I won't post it).

clemenza, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 01:01 (three years ago) link

Not new, but I posted this passage from one of the volumes of Taylor Branch's biography of MLK (very much worth reading) on my FB last year:

King, in the lolling drone of closing announcements, was reminding his audience of major SCLC events ahead ... when one of the white men in the audience walked to the stage and lashed out with his right fist. The blow made a loud popping sound as it landed on King's left cheek. He staggered backward and spun half around.

The entire crowd observed in silent, addled awe. Some people thought King had been introducing the man as one of the white dignitaries so conspicuously welcome at Birmingham's first fully integrated convention. Others thought the attack might be a staged demonstration from the nonviolence workshops. But now the man was hitting King again, this time on the side of his face from behind, and twice more in the back. Shrieks and gasps went up from the crowd, which, as one delegate wrote, "surged for a moment as one person" toward the stage. People recalled feeling physically jolted by the force of the violence - from both the attack on King and the flash of hatred through the auditorium.

The assailant slowed rather than quickened the pace of his blows, expecting, as he said later, to be torn to pieces by the crowd. But he struck powerfully. After being knocked backward by one of the last blows, King turned to face him while dropping his hands. It was the look on his face that many would not forget. Septima Clark, who nursed many private complaints about the strutting ways of the SCLC preachers and would not have been shocked to see the unloosed rage of an exalted leader, marveled instead at King's transcendent calm. King dropped his hands "like a newborn baby," she said, and from then on she never doubted that his nonviolence was more than the heat of his oratory or the result of his slow calculation. It was the response of his quickest instincts.

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 01:37 (three years ago) link

It was the response of his quickest instincts.

All I can say is that it takes enormous mental discipline over a long time to develop an "instinct" like that.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 01:41 (three years ago) link

Psychiatric nursing 101 is all it takes.

Wes Brodicus, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 07:59 (three years ago) link

i wrote about US empire’s most reliable ideological ally, The Washington Post editorial board, publishing the most saccharin and ahistorical Martin Luther King tributes in recent memory—which is saying a lot, given the crowded field.

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) January 17, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:14 (three years ago) link

thanks for those articles, tarfumes and kingfish

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 January 2018 11:28 (three years ago) link

Halberstam on MLK Jr. in August 1967 (Harper’s): “Possible nationalization of certain industries, a guaranteed annual income…"

— noah kulwin (@nkulw) January 25, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 January 2018 12:27 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

Given Branch's broad scope beyond the life of King specifically, I was jarred by America in the King Years ending very abruptly with King's assassination. Thankfully, I managed almost by accident to track down A Nation on Fire by Clay Risen, which is focused entirely upon national reaction in the week following the assassination and details many of the ways in which white America's reaction to the riots led us to where we are today. Highly recommended.

Love Theme From Oh God! You Devil (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 14:54 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

hadn't seen any discussion of this yet:

i haven't read any of garrow's books and he seems to be fairly well-regarded, but i read his piece and thought the evidence for the accusation that's making headlines seemed pretty weak

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:09 (one year ago) link

tape archive release in 2027

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:11 (one year ago) link

Remember that right-wing dickshits are forever running this shit under people's noses for, like, being generally peace-loving and nonviolent and supporting equality and shit. As if it's going to convince you to start beating people up and hating people who are different from you.

Equal Time for Dingelschnitzen (I M Losted), Friday, 7 June 2019 03:40 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

this isn't really about martin luther king jr. himself but the holiday. every time the holiday comes around, in my conservative (racist) western state, at my largely conservative (racist) workplaces, staffed largely by white people, there is always this awkward (racist) tendency to tip-toe around it or, like, not acknowledge the reason for the holiday / pretend it doesn't exist. today in a staff meeting my supervisor said, pretty much verbatim, "i absolutely love martin luther king jr., he is one of my biggest heroes and i could talk about him for a long time." it was SO CRINGE. these people have tons of sanctimonious boilerplate around the fascist holidays, why is it so hard to celebrate someone who stood for equality? obviously i know the answer but, god, if i were a supervisor i would rehearse something ffs.

map, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:29 (one week ago) link

I don’t know, but if it’s insincere I wouldn’t want to hear any mealy mouth boilerplate about how he stood for peace and love and colorblindness.

Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:42 (one week ago) link

yeah, I'm looking forward to the annual bullshit CEO email about how "most importantly, he stood for peace" at which point I destroy my work laptop

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:44 (one week ago) link

course, this is the same CEO that said during the riot "while I know you will continue to delivery high quality work to your clients, make sure to take a few minutes off if you need it" while the shit aws still ongoing

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:44 (one week ago) link


map, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:45 (one week ago) link

yes, i agree re: the less preachy bs from management about a holiday the better.

map, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:46 (one week ago) link

I can't recommend Taylor Branch's biography of King highly enough. It restores to view all the deep and daily complexities of the problems faced by the civil rights movement, so it is possible to understand King's place in it. The bland bromides that get repeated every January have reduced that vast tumultuous history to the size of a pea.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:47 (one week ago) link

Seconded. All three volumes are amazing and eye-opening. My one and only criticism is that, for a biography which is in a way about the entire civil rights movement as it is about King himself, it's very frustrating that the third volume ends abruptly with his assassination without going into any of the immediate fallout (about which I would highly recommend Clay Risen's A Nation on Fire, which is entirely focused on the reactions to the assassination in the days and weeks and months following).

Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:53 (one week ago) link

And of course I posted pretty much exactly that two years ago upthread. Bears repeating, though.

Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 19:54 (one week ago) link

Thirded, though I admit my attention wandered during the lengthy sections regarding the internal schisms within the Nation of Islam, though I understand it was necessary background to the Malcom X chapters in the second volume.

blatherskite, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 20:19 (one week ago) link

And of course I posted pretty much exactly that two years ago upthread. Bears repeating, though.

Repeating bear

Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 20:30 (one week ago) link

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