jenny mccarthy wants your kid to get measles: autism, vaccines, and stupid idiots

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what the hell is wrong with these people

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:10 (eleven years ago) link

Abbott to thread.

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:10 (eleven years ago) link

(she hates these morons)

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:11 (eleven years ago) link

what is this about?

ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:11 (eleven years ago) link

oh no is abbott against vaccines???

xp WHEW

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:11 (eleven years ago) link

m@tt: jenny mccarthy has a kid w/autism (now cured???) and she, like many others, thinks that the autism was caused by vaccines he received as a baby. now there is a movement afoot to discredit vaccination so that more kids don't "catch" autism

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:13 (eleven years ago) link

it's one of these 'teach the controversy' bullshits where pretty much all pediatricians/ID specialists/immunologists agree that vaccines are a good idea and some fringe naysayers are naysayin

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:14 (eleven years ago) link

we can also use this thread to talk about other out-there medical movements/treatments but maybe there is another thread for that

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:15 (eleven years ago) link

I read an interview w/ Jenny McCarthy who claimed "you can't argue with anecdotal evidence."

yes you can!!

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:29 (eleven years ago) link

Robert Kennedy Jr. is also on the MMR vaccine causes autism bandwagon, I think.

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:30 (eleven years ago) link

Ugh, on xmas day my partner's aunt was saying how she'd bought McCarthy's book on this subject and how amazing it was that she cured her son's autism, and it was all I could do not to tear her head off with derisive laughter, I instead nodded politely cause I hardly knew the woman. She bought the book cause it was on Oprah.

&%^%#%$##

Trayce, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:33 (eleven years ago) link

I assume the accepted actuality would be that her son didn't *have* autism to begin with, if he's all of a sudden "free of it"?

Trayce, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:34 (eleven years ago) link

Robert Kennedy Jr. is also on the MMR vaccine causes autism bandwagon, I think.

― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:30 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, he wrote an article for rolling stone a few years back (which i have not read)

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:35 (eleven years ago) link

my dad is a pediatrician and this shit makes him foam at the mouth

horseshoe, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:37 (eleven years ago) link

he should get that looked at

8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:37 (eleven years ago) link

lol shut up

horseshoe, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:38 (eleven years ago) link

i have read kennedy's article and thought it was demogagogue-y if not outright demagoguery. like he was looking for an "issue" and found it.

m coleman, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:38 (eleven years ago) link

she cured her son's autism,

good luck w/that!

m coleman, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:39 (eleven years ago) link

The ILM "last.fm" thread would suggest McCarthy has a lot of work ahead of her.

The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:41 (eleven years ago) link

hmmmm...this reminds me of back when spin magazine kept saying there was no connection between HIV and AIDS

i saw some shit on the today show about how they have "chicken pox" parties where ppl send their kids to some kid's house who has chicken pox to try and see if their kids can catch it or something...is that part of this whole anti-vaccine thing?

ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:41 (eleven years ago) link

i thought that was a Simpsons episode

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:42 (eleven years ago) link

Jenny Mccarthy...wrote a book? And it was on Oprah?

What?

scourge of cords (Z S), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:42 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.generationrescue.org/biomedical.html

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:44 (eleven years ago) link

i saw some shit on the today show about how they have "chicken pox" parties where ppl send their kids to some kid's house who has chicken pox to try and see if their kids can catch it or something...is that part of this whole anti-vaccine thing?

― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:41 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

nah, that's basically just natural vaccination ie acquired immunity.

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:45 (eleven years ago) link

poor dude that wrote this book gets death threats

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/health/13auti.html?_r=1&ref=science&pagewanted=print

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:46 (eleven years ago) link

ha, that article is what prompted this thread, btw

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:47 (eleven years ago) link

that and i started immunology today

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:47 (eleven years ago) link

these antivaccine people remind me of those who thought letterboxing was blocking out parts of films they had seen in the theater

shook pwns (omar little), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:48 (eleven years ago) link

my mom brought us over to our cousin's house when i was five when they had chicken pox so we could maybe get it. . .LOL didn't work, i got it when i was in high school and it suuuuucked

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:48 (eleven years ago) link

who is worse: creationists or these anti vaccine people

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:49 (eleven years ago) link

i think the original study's based on like twenty kids or something? and the scientist opposed larger study samples because the range causes anomolous results. man.

xp i think it's just because chickenpox is a motherfucker when you're old

schlump, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:49 (eleven years ago) link

anti-vaccine people

tired (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:50 (eleven years ago) link

x-post

tired (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:51 (eleven years ago) link

18. Other ways to detoxify. Some doctors use and/or recommend other methods of detoxification including homeopathy, infrared sauna therapy, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, exercise, magnetic beds, herbal teas, and many more.

these people might be worse, insofar as not getting vaccines can be dangerous to public health and creationism is just dangerous to your ability to be not an idiot

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:51 (eleven years ago) link

xp i think it's just because chickenpox is a motherfucker when you're old

no shit, this is what i was saying. my mom was trying to have us get it when we were younger and it didn't work

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:51 (eleven years ago) link

anti- vaccine ppls. creationists have been around for a few thousand years.

Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:52 (eleven years ago) link

it didn't work=obv. my cousins weren't contagious enough.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

or maybe you're blaming them for your inability to get sick

Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

you failure

Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

maybe i should have eaten their pox scabs like Mom suggested

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

or maybe they weren't contagious anymore

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:54 (eleven years ago) link

these antivaccine people remind me of those who thought letterboxing was blocking out parts of films they had seen in the theater

― shook pwns (omar little), Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:48 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahaha otm

tired (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:54 (eleven years ago) link

kennedy jr. seems like a good guy at first but the more you read about him the more you realize dude is kinda creepy

velko, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:57 (eleven years ago) link

The ILM "last.fm" thread would suggest McCarthy has a lot of work ahead of her.

loud LOL

J0hn D., Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:58 (eleven years ago) link

pretty sure these will also cure pretty much anything: http://www.quantumagewater.com/

J0hn D., Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:59 (eleven years ago) link

maybe i should have eaten their pox scabs like Mom suggested

― Mr. Que, Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

The concept of immunity may have existed long before [Thucydides], as suggested by the ancient Chinese custom of making children resistant to smallpox by having them inhale powders made from the skin lesions of patients recovering from the disease.

^^^^ from my textbook!

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:59 (eleven years ago) link

it's fun to make fun of britishers for having royalty and stuff but the fact that this doctor guy in the NYT article can't state his position without getting death threats is majorly fucked up

xpost: lolllllllllllllllllll

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:59 (eleven years ago) link

My school has let us help out at some big free public flu vaccination events. The first time I did it, it was offered free to kids and families, and adults had to pay like $25 or something. A woman asked us if she could get the vaccine for free if she came back with her grandson, except that the grandson wouldn't be getting a flu shot, just her. I wanted to yell very loudly "SERIOUSLY THEY TOOK THIMEROSAL OUT OF VACCINES IN BRITAIN AND AUTISM WENT UP!" But I did not.

She did not end up getting a vaccine, since she was unwilling to give us $25 or let her grandson get autism from our poisonous needles. I would have been more concerned about letting a first-year med student inject you using a technique learned roughly one hour beforehand, but that's just me.

C-L, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 03:05 (eleven years ago) link

hmmmm...this reminds me of back when spin magazine kept saying there was no connection between HIV and AIDS

Oh, that belief is still around and fueled largely by the work of Peter Duesberg at Berkley. Mbeki used Duesberg's work to advise his AIDS policies in SA.

http://www.duesberg.com/index.html

I just found out that another famous AIDS denialist (and Duesberg follower) Christine Maggiore died of pneumonia a couple of weeks ago. Her daughter whom she never had tested or treated for HIV, died at age 3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore

Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 03:15 (eleven years ago) link

i saw some shit on the today show about how they have "chicken pox" parties where ppl send their kids to some kid's house who has chicken pox to try and see if their kids can catch it or something...is that part of this whole anti-vaccine thing?

― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:41 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

nah, that's basically just natural vaccination ie acquired immunity.

― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:45 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i remember parents doing this in the 70s and 80s. it was just a way to be sure your kid didnt get c.pox later when it would be much worse. so, yeah, what gbx said.

tacos, fettucini, linguini, martini, bikini. (sunny successor), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 03:25 (eleven years ago) link

Isnt that DeNiro quote from before he corrected his stance having done the decent thing and gone and found out the facts?
--Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce)

It's from Today show..... today.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 23:52 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWI2qZC_KUY

karla jay vespers, Thursday, 14 April 2016 00:03 (four years ago) link

Oh ok fair enough. Thought he'd been reneducated but apparently not. Has anyone pointed out to the bozo that thimerosol was removed from vaccines years ago?

Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Thursday, 14 April 2016 00:53 (four years ago) link

"De Niro said Wednesday he now regrets pulling a controversial film called "Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Conspiracy" from the Tribeca film Festival."

Oh FFS.

Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Thursday, 14 April 2016 00:54 (four years ago) link

We had a whooping cough outbreak at one of the private Catholic schools by here a few weeks back, maybe 16 kids, not necessarily due to skipped vaccinations but because those vaccines can and do often wear off. And then when some asshole who *did* skip the vaccine brings whooping cough to school, it's not just old people and babies who might be at risk, but otherwise healthy and vaccinated teens who, little do they know, are no longer immune.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 14:47 (four years ago) link

This raises a point - do we push re-vaccinating like we do childhood ones? I have to tell you apart from rubella and tetanus I dont think Ive had a single re-done shot after the age of about 14.

Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 00:14 (four years ago) link

Careful, I've heard that re-vaccinating can lead to brain damage in adults, leading victims to believe in things like vaccination conspiracies.

Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 00:35 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/KQHJeRF.png

, Thursday, 16 June 2016 13:13 (four years ago) link

^ imagine TV Party but with Measles Party instead

, Thursday, 16 June 2016 13:14 (four years ago) link

Some parents are all for it. Let us know what you think.

*quietly thinks "smallpox party next?"*

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 16 June 2016 13:55 (four years ago) link

rager

http://www.historytoday.com/sites/default/files/blackdeath.jpg

brownie, Thursday, 16 June 2016 14:18 (four years ago) link

We did that a lot when I was a kid. Is it uncommon?

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Thursday, 16 June 2016 14:29 (four years ago) link

I was vaccinated against measles as a kid.

brownie, Thursday, 16 June 2016 14:32 (four years ago) link

I was aware of chickenpox gatherings as a kid, but my parents didn't believe in that. Made it to 14 years of age without getting it, which was when the vaccine became widely available in the US. Got vaccinated. boom!

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 16 June 2016 14:38 (four years ago) link

why the fuck anyone would give anyone measles on purpose in an age where it's extremely uncommon is beyond me, that sounds criminal

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 16 June 2016 14:39 (four years ago) link

I only heard about chickenpox parties recently from other grown-ups recounting their childhood. "Oh remember when our moms got everybody together to catch chicken pox and just get it over with?" Fuck no. I caught it at school.

how's life, Thursday, 16 June 2016 14:40 (four years ago) link

There was a South Park episode about chicken pox parties that aired 18 (!) years ago.

Chickenpox begins to spread throughout South Park, and infects Stan's sister Shelley and Kenny. The other boys' mothers begin to think that maybe the other boys should be exposed to it too, so as to get it while they are young and it is easier to deal with. They agree and have the other boys stay over at Kenny's house. The boys are less than enthusiastic about spending the night over at Kenny's because he is so poor, comparing his home to a third-world country when they discover rats, a black-and-white television, and a ColecoVision game system; even the dinner served there is a meager waffle per person with no side dishes. The next day, Cartman and Stan get sick, but not Kyle. Stan's chickenpox gets so bad he has to be brought to the hospital with Shelley. Mrs. Broflovski tries sending Kyle over to Kenny's house again, much to Kyle's protests; she even invents a game for Kyle and Kenny to play called "Ooky Mouth", which involves Kenny spitting in Kyle's mouth while Kyle tries to say "Ooky Mouth".

The kids get their revenge by getting a prostitute with herpes to lick their parents' toothbrushes and other personal care items.

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 14:44 (four years ago) link

I don't know - in the early 80smif kids got measles or chicken pox etc you got them together to get it. I think the idea was that you get exposed to it sooner or later, it's better to get it young. Maybe this was pre-vaccine? A 30+ friend of mine got chicken pox recently and lost his sight.

inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:12 (four years ago) link

The vaccine was introduced in the mid-90s.

how's life, Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:18 (four years ago) link

always such a bummer when i find out friends who otherwise seem very cool and smart are anti-vax

marcos, Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:21 (four years ago) link

a FB friend who i've known since high school, very cool person, went to art school w/ my brother, has a couple adorable kids and someone i've thought it would be cool to re-connect w/ started posting all this shit about the propaganda film vaxxed and how "you can't believe everything you see and hear, you have to think for yourself" ughhhh

marcos, Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:24 (four years ago) link

the vaccine was introduced in europe earlier than that, it would have been 1995 when I got it. wikipedia says 1984.

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:06 (four years ago) link

ugh, marcos, I've got the friend, too. Even pics of her cute kids were not enough to save her from the unfollow button.

kate78, Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:01 (four years ago) link

I was inoculated for measles and mumps and everything as a kid (thanks to having a father in the military, vaccine schedules were *strict*), but was well into my 20s by the time the chicken pox vaccine was introduced in the US and never even thought about it. My doctor had me get it *last year.*

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:12 (four years ago) link

congratulations!

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 16 June 2016 19:24 (four years ago) link

I would like to use this thread to plug the book Neurotribes, which is a very good cultural/medical history of asd.

the lava-staring club (Abbott), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:04 (four years ago) link

The book covers the Wakefield controversy in depth but the rest of it is way more interesting (to me). I liked this interview with the author; the comments have some counterpoints to his POV from the autism blogging community.

the lava-staring club (Abbott), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:06 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

nothing like a baby spraying diarrhea all over you to make you rethink life

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 13:18 (three years ago) link

District Attorney hosting Jenny McC. event, with punchline:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Reporter-ousted-from-autism-event-Bexar-DA-was-9520372.php

dow, Saturday, 1 October 2016 22:07 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://twitter.com/KillerMike/status/787756273055961088

, Sunday, 16 October 2016 21:52 (three years ago) link

Ugh, first "Hillary is more dangerous than Trump" and now this. I still think R.A.P. Music is a masterpiece, and I guess I still like him as a person, but this is certainly making the latter more difficult to support.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Sunday, 16 October 2016 22:05 (three years ago) link

can't believe a rapper who likes ron paul is an antivaxxer

k3vin k., Sunday, 16 October 2016 22:43 (three years ago) link

I guess I still like him as a person

based on what exactly

Wimmels, Monday, 17 October 2016 14:09 (three years ago) link

that Law & Order episode where he plays a rapper named "Gots Money" who is involved in animal smuggling

mh 😏, Monday, 17 October 2016 14:11 (three years ago) link

The episode of "God Awful Movies" where they excoriate "Vaxxed," with the help of Yvette d'Entremont.

If you want to hear a group of snarky assholes ripping into the work of even bigger assholes, dig it:

https://audioboom.com/posts/5123734-gam059-vaxxed

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Friday, 21 October 2016 16:27 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

so a friend's friend is trying to tell me that obama signed an executive order making vaccinations compulsory, and maybe i'm just dumb but i don't see any remote reference to that here:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=119627

can someone more knowledgable than me let me know if i can tell her she's delusional?

just1n3, Monday, 14 November 2016 06:56 (three years ago) link

She's delusional

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 07:13 (three years ago) link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy#Compulsory_vaccination

Scroll to the US specific part

Vaccination policy is entirely a local matter, not a federal one, afaik

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 07:17 (three years ago) link

Thanks!

just1n3, Monday, 14 November 2016 11:12 (three years ago) link

Bout fuckin' time:

http://www.vox.com/2016/11/18/13676834/ftc-homeopathy-crackdown-regulation

The FTC’s policy statement explains that the agency will now ask that the makers of homeopathic drugs present reliable scientific evidence for their health claims if they want to sell them to consumers on the US market.

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:36 (three years ago) link

On how the post-truth, Trump-reality blows a harsh, cold wind on the European mainland too: yesterday our most popular late night show had three 'concerned anti-vaxxer mums' at the table, against one actual vaccination expert. Three morans against one person who actually knew what she was talking about. Needless to say, it's the mums that got traction on social media today. These are truly dark days.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:42 (three years ago) link

I thought for sure this got bumped because Jenny McCarthy was named Surgeon General or something.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:50 (three years ago) link

Lolololol

just1n3, Saturday, 19 November 2016 18:11 (three years ago) link

I love the FTC's new labeling suggestions from that article

An [over-the-counter] homeopathic drug claim that is not substantiated by competent and reliable scientific evidence might not be deceptive if the advertisement or label where it appears effectively communicates that: 1) there is no scientific evidence that the product works; and 2) the product’s claims are based only on theories of homeopathy from the 1700s that are not accepted by most modern medical experts.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 21:09 (three years ago) link

I used to work in a pharmacy back in another long ago life, and the pharmacist himself was very scathing about all the homeopathic hoo haa he sold. When I asked why he sold it, he was quite happy to admit he'd part fools from their money.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 21 November 2016 02:33 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Noted Antivaxxer RFKJR. being favored by DJT for guess what:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?_r=0

dow, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 23:28 (three years ago) link

On NBC News, sources say, "No decisions have been made at this time", about forming the committee or appointing Kennedy, although he says they've approached him.

dow, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 23:36 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

ship in story owned and operated by the church of scientology (tho sadly not the SEA ORG)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cruise-ship-st-lucia-quarantined-over-confirmed-measles-case-n1000751?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

mark s, Thursday, 2 May 2019 17:57 (one year ago) link


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