Hellboy rules.

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Hellboy is great. I can't think of anything I don't like about any of the series I've read (a bunch)--the stories are great and well put-together and make good use of myth/history/etc without resorting to twee Neil Gaimanisms, the art is awesome, the dialogue is excellent (especially for comics) and I'm running out of superlatives. Anyone want to share a negative opinion?

The movie is due out late 2003 I think. Guillermo Del Toro (Blade II) is directing and Ron Perlman is Hellboy. That's cool too. Oh, and the RPG (Steve Jackson's GURPS system) comes out in August.

Turn this into a Mike Mignola CD/SD if y'all want.

adam, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll go. Classic. Search those cool old X-Factor covers where Mr. Sinister actually looks cool--usually he just looks like a big goober. Destroy nothing that I can think of.

adam, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Adam, that Hellboy news pisses all over the kewl Marvel movie news. AWESOME.

Hellboy is great. Mignola is great. His work on Alpha Flight, ehh. His work on Cosmic Odyssey is super-nice. I love how John Byrne used to write dialogue for Hellboy back in "the day" because Mike didn't have confidence in his lyrical skillz - ha ha ha ha ha. (What the hell is Byrne doing nowadays?)

Daver, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like Mignola art, but any of Hellboy that I've read - admittedly very little - was nice art married to boring story.

DV, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

DV is OTM.

Andrew L, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

(What the hell is Byrne doing nowadays?)

Probably working long and hard to ensure that his next project is as boring as Next Men.

I never saw Mignola do Alpha Flight--I can imagine it being dull, AF were not a very interesting-looking team. (Not a very interesting team either.)

adam, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Oh my

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:18 (twenty years ago) link

One word (OK, six): Time for bums in seats, kids. That makes me want to see....or have I just saved $10?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

the one Hellboy comic I read was pretty dull, if very well drawn.

the trailer looks like the usual people jumping around and stuff - i.e. about as much fun as Men In Black.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

I'm so sad about the way this movie looks, since I love Hellboy . I was expecting some creeped out darkness from Del Toro. This looks silly. Hope I'm wrong.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

oh, come on! it's cute!!!

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:04 (twenty years ago) link

bummer

kephm, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:45 (twenty years ago) link

about as much fun as Men In Black.

! you _do_ hate fun!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

I hate dull films.

and Andrew, if you use this as an excuse to bring up my heterodox taste in films I will HIT YOU WITH A BOOK next time I meet you. and it'll be a bigger one than the one you hit Lara with.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:08 (twenty years ago) link

No, I'm sorry - if you hate MIB, you hate fun. Case closed.

But if you have something you want to get off your chest about what film you like, feel free.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:12 (twenty years ago) link

Hellboy should have been like The Devil's Backbone...... shadows, mystery, the occasional bone-shattering explosion..... wait, lots of explosions plz...... but that trailer looks like yellowfoggy Blade II pseudogloom + corny Hulk CGI puppetry + nerdy X-Men hitech bollocks ................fuck

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:18 (twenty years ago) link

HOLLYWOOD FOLLOWING NEWLY SUCCESSFUL FORMULA IN ADAPTING ANY OTHER COMIX SHOCKA

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

Hellboy should have been like The Devil's Backbone...... shadows, mystery, the occasional bone-shattering explosion.....

why should it be like that? the comic isn't.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

?

Yes it is.

The one Hellboy comic you read, was it Hellboy Junior?

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

As for Hellboy the comic, Mignola's drawings are very nice, but the stories never reach beyond standard horror/thriller material (wasn't John Byrne one of the scriptwriters?). Then again, that would make it a perfect source for a movie adaptation.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

the one I read was Hellboy meeting two other comic characters I'd never heard of and taking on NAZIS. the art was very pretty but the story was completely forgettable. It was neither horrifying nor thrilling.

I'm sorry to be so dismissive... maybe I read a bad limited series.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

I've read three series, and they were all like that.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

"Hellboy" is the name of Rake Yohn's character in Haggard. I thought this would be a Bam Margera-related thread, alas no. :(

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 27 November 2003 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

Nothing with the occult and Nazis can be bad! Viva Ragnarok!

Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 03:20 (twenty years ago) link

I consider WWII a bad thing! Admittedly the part the occult actually played in that was limited (to zero), but some people tried!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 27 November 2003 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

that's where you're wrong, Martin. If it weren't for the Duc de Richlieu the Nazis would have triumphed, thanks to the forces of SATAN.

and world war two RoXoR.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 27 November 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

WWII was the good war 'n all!

Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

I doubt that Hellboy is supposed to be scary. Mignola's aim seems more to do pulpy and Gothic stories w/ lots of gorillas with bolts in their necks.

Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

I think Hellboy the comic =
10 unseen ancient evil lurks in half-black panels
20 evil pops up
30 Hellboy clobbers it
40 GOTO 10.

Now if Hellboy the film =
10 well-explained evil lurks in clouds of mustard gas
20 evil jumps around and around in shoddy CGI shots
30 Hellboy clobbers it
40 GOTO 20
...I wouldn't want to see it, really.

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
I'm still excited about this movie.

adam (adam), Monday, 2 February 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

Sam OTM! I can't believe there was already a Hellboy that wasn't Rake Yohn!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 February 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
i know nothing about the comic, but this movie looks like it might be very fun. and selma blair looks foxy in the previews

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 11 March 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

I am...HELLBOY!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

Let's see those filed-down horns, buddy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:15 (twenty years ago) link

gimma some candy first!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:15 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Bump. Tell me good things.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 April 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago) link

I just got the press kit from my boss! It's pretty whatever, except that it has a dossier with the B.P.R.D. letterheard on it. I'm the coolest geek in the office!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

A finer film has never been crafted by human hands. Perhaps the only flaw was the distinct absence of giant apes/monkeys with huge bolts jutting from their necks (a favorite motif of Mignola's, along with Nazis, and Satan, and sometimes Nazi monkeys, I guess).

Belgian Rofflez (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 3 April 2004 05:31 (twenty years ago) link

NAZI MONKEYS?

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 April 2004 06:16 (twenty years ago) link

All monkeys are nazis.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:07 (twenty years ago) link

i thot that it lost some of the physical gorgeousness and alot of the kitsch/camp/deconstructive/satrical elements.

the moralizing was too obv. in places, and abe sabien didnt have enough lines.

still fine film, lots of phun, gr8 adventure, et. al

anthony, Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't seen this, but the case had to be made for monkeys = nazis.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

i gotta see this!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link

I got up early this morning to get work done so that I can make the case for seeing this and Scooby Doo 2 or Starsky & Hutch tomorrow (depending on which is at the same theater).

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

Scooby Doo 2??? What kind of masochist are you, Tep?

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

I can't even explain why I like the Scooby Doo movie! It isn't that it's good. It isn't that I liked the cartoon, because I hated it as a kid and am indifferent to it now. I just like it. The second one looks a lot like the first, but with no Rowan Atkinson and more Seth Green, which is happy math.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

(Plus, Hellboy/Scooby = monster-bashing double feature.)

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

B-b-b-but Freddy Prinze Jr.!

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

Tep's love does not compute.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

(wolves of st august £4 from ebay, including p+p and two other issues which i already have. also picked up optic nerve #8 and #11 without leaving my desk. woot)

koogs, Monday, 6 August 2007 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

I liked him a lot, both in ST and at the SAG awards, but I'm sure anybody should be forced to play Hellboy after Perlman.

your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 03:09 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

trailer is up - do we have a thread for this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt5g5_1cKVk

def has a lot more of that mike mignola feel

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link

looks pretty cool

though i think it's hilarious and sad how trailers have trailers for themselves immediately before them now.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link

Not liking that at all, the CGI stands out as CGI more than in GDT's movies, the wise-cracking feels like they took too much of a cue from Deadpool, Hellboy just doesn't sound right without Perlman's voice, Ian McShane is no John Hurt.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:51 (five years ago) link

Good points:

1) Neil Marshall is my favorite kind of insane (see Doomsday if you haven't)
2) MILLA
3) It's gotta at least be better than Golden Army, which SUUUUUCKED

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:59 (five years ago) link

this is a neil marshall flick? ok I'm interested

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:15 (five years ago) link

Not liking that at all, the CGI stands out as CGI more than in GDT's movies, the wise-cracking feels like they took too much of a cue from Deadpool, Hellboy just doesn't sound right without Perlman's voice, Ian McShane is no John Hurt.

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, December 19, 2018

love u milo but this is crazy talk

1. CGI - longstanding tradition of CGI improving between advance trailers and release
2. wisecracking - have you read Hellboy?
3. Perlman - no, leaning toward hell no. love Perlman but his Hellboy was terrible.
4. Bruttenholm - agree John Hurt was well cast. McShane a little more 1946-1952-style but he's A+ in everything other than American Gods so let's see how it plays

Speaking as an unabashed lover of the books, this trailer alone is already more enjoyable than any of GDT's work with the character or his world. No telling if it will translate into a satisfying feature, but the tone feels right and Harbour is killing it.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link

Eehhhhhhhhhhh. I like Marshall, but his genre riffing I think is more miss than hit. This one looks cheap - CGI doesn't get polished *that* much * and less than charming, especially after the GdT ones, which at least had character.

Has McShane played the Devil yet?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link

Hellboy would have been better off without GDT period full stop.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link

Has McShane played the Devil yet?

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, December 19, 2018

Has he ever not?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link

lmao can't believe y'all gonna make me watch GDT's Hellboy again just to better catalog what it gets wrong

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link

xpost I guess he is very devil-like in Sexy Beast!

Anyway, as someone who never read the comic, I liked the first one (esp. director's cut) a lot, and thought the second one looked great.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link

I have not seen this longstanding tradition of CGI improvements - when a movie seems like it's going to have the overall look of a video game cutscene in the trailer, it still does in the theater IME.
I've read Hellboy and there are jokes but it's more off-hand sardonic style than this. I'm not really into the Deadpool/MCU winking at the camera style.
if you don't like the Perlman/GdT films I can see this being better, I guess, but yr crazy

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link

Barbour sounds like he's got Marlon Brando's cotton balls stuffed in his mouth

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link

not being familiar with Hellboy before the films i thought the GdT ones were cool, but far from the types of films you can't improve on.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link

I think you could improve on the GdT films by stripping them down more (fewer fantasy elements)

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:40 (five years ago) link

Okay so (nerd hat on) what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.

GDT seemed to think what made it interesting was look there are SO MANY CREATURES! (which if you're GDT I mean, yeah, I get it) and what gave it oomph was Liz's struggle to not be Rogue from the X-Men.

tldr Hellboy is The Iron Giant and GDT made it Beat the End Boss and Kiss the Girl. He was always more interested in Abe.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link

if you don't like the Perlman/GdT films I can see this being better, I guess, but yr crazy

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, December 19, 2018

peace. xoxo.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link

btw I’m not blind - that is some sardo numspa-lookin CGI demon.

still better than GDT tho.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 December 2018 04:45 (five years ago) link

what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.

I thought this was literally what the first movie was about?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:04 (five years ago) link

I liked the GdT movies, and thought Perlman was pretty good. I liked what I've read of the comics. I'll probably like this, too.

However, the feel of Mignola's art, which is about half the appeal of Hellboy for me, just can't be adequately translated to live action, IMO, unless you're going to go for some Sin City-esque hyperstylization. Has anyone seen any of the animated Hellboy stuff/is it good?

days of being riled (zchyrs), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link

yes/not really? I mean, I literally forgot it existed and that I had seen it until this thread popped back up again yesterday

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link

"Storm of Swords" is fine, haven't kept tabs on any other animated HB films.

I complained about this when the first movie came out that I didn't like GDT's decision to make HB and Abe hide their existences from the outside world. Having common folk talk to HB like NBD is a great little touch in the comics.

Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

lol i literally contradicted myself in the other Hellboy thread. I rewatched both recently though and the very particular del Toro auteurism was more impressive on these viewings. the first trailer of this new one did look cool but the last one or two were troublesome. the funny lines didn't land and the direction looked very boilerplate. The Hellboy universe goes a long way with its inherent creativity, maybe there'd be some appeal there. but idk.

omar little, Friday, 12 April 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link

so much for my high hopes... by all accounts this one’s a fright pig. feel bad for Harbour and for Mignola, whose work deserves better

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:49 (five years ago) link

Such a shame. I really like a bunch of Marshall's B grade horror/historical films: "Dog Soldiers", "Centurion", "The Descent" - and was hoping he'd stay away from the cutesy GDT-isms and get at that sweet Mignola creepiness. Seems this is just a Z grade mimic'ing of the Del Toro stuff.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:30 (five years ago) link

so I ended up seeing this after all. it’s overstuffed and undercooked but really not half as bad as golden army and much closer in spirit to the books, which remain unassailable.

a less corny soundtrack and maybe pulling two or three cheesy fight scenes would have helped a lot.

they tried to do way too much and presumably won’t get a second swing, but god bless ‘em for trying. McShane’s as wasted as he is in American Gods but Harbour’s a gem throughout.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 04:53 (five years ago) link

The previews made it seem a bit Guy Richie Does Hellboy, which seems v. unlike the comic

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 14 April 2019 11:31 (five years ago) link

just to be clear, this is not a good movie. and there are def bits of that, though if anything more Matthew Vaughn than Guy Ritchie. i mean, there are bits of everything. you could cut a trailer that made this thing look like Attack the Block. my take is just, huh, it's not as bad as I expected.

the fatal flaw is that the producers think bc HELLBOY is a comic book, Hellboy has to be a superhero. i'd hoped this one would steer away from the CGI action crap and toward the horror/pulp/melancholy/weird tale elements but aside from one or two shots, nope.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link

I remember at the very least The Golden Army (which I only saw that once, back when) looked gorgeous. From its trailers this one looks like a CGI public toilet.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link

an overhaul of the soundtrack alone would make this 50% better

gbx, Sunday, 14 April 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link

an overhaul of the soundtrack alone would make this 50% better


who’s gonna volunteer to do the fan cut?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link

Yeah wasn't great was it.
& it seems to want to be the first of several.
Seemed like a lot of lines were off rhythm or something.
Wonder how many people stayed for the post credits scenes.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

Started watching this on Netflix. Barely 20 minutes in and we've had mediaeval england with king arthur and merlin and a bad witch, present day mexico where hellboy takes down a large bat-winged vampire, quick usa interlude to introduce ian mcshane, scene with baba yaga and unseen entity swearing revenge on hellboy, trip to england to talk about taking down three giants, flashback to hellboy birth scene, and then an unknown monastery terrorized by a large were-hog. It's a fuckin' mess is what it is.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:27 (four years ago) link

'this' = the 2019 film.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:28 (four years ago) link

all that is in the books.

https://www.comixology.co.uk/Hellboy-Omnibus-Vol-3-The-Wild-Hunt/digital-comic/691767?ref=YnJvd3NlL3NhbGUvZGVza3RvcC9ncmlkTGlzdC8zMzAwNg

(at least with the books you can control the speed)

koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link

Or all that stuff might happen spread across four series in six years.

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link

at least with the books you don't have absolutely appalling green-screen work either.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:36 (four years ago) link

could've been worse - the earlier books are full of cthulu and nazis.

koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link

(i read 3rd and 4th omnibus one after the other, about 1000 pages total, didn't really know how it split into series or the release schedules. it was quite a ride)

koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link

cthulhu stuff in the del toro film was great iirc.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link

i carried on to the end, funny how hellboy's story arc is so similar to the del toro film. baba yaga and the giant demons at the end were kind of cool, if they made another one and the story was a bit leaner and cgi better i'd watch it - i mean i'd probably watch it anyway since i make bad decisions about how to spend my time.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link

true of all ilxors iirc

except me

mark s, Saturday, 18 January 2020 22:10 (four years ago) link

yeah this one kinda broke my heart in that they got a lot right but tried to cram so much in and then erect a single dumb Big Bad on top of that quicksand that it was almost unwatchable. idk maybe it's like a transformers movie in that it might actually work better if you were high af with no access to concepts of cause and effect and it was just, like, a bunch of stuff happening.

harbour did his level best with it all and i'm sorry he won't get another shot. ledge didn't even mention that technically the wild hunt was in there too lol, plus the twilight of the fay.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 19 January 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

just started a bit ago and the fact the first twenty minutes has elements from about six different Hellboy stories doesn’t bode well

opening voiceover and the constant swearing seems very un-Hellboy

solo scampito (mh), Sunday, 21 June 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link

if you didn’t like the opening 20 minutes i have some v upsetting news about the rest of it

scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 21 June 2020 20:52 (three years ago) link

it is not good but is interesting enough to leave on while folding laundry

have to give them a small amount of credit for making the characters obvious enough that I can pick up on who they are before the script does a proper introduction

solo scampito (mh), Sunday, 21 June 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link


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