― adam, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Hellboy is great. Mignola is great. His work on Alpha Flight, ehh. His work on Cosmic Odyssey is super-nice. I love how John Byrne used to write dialogue for Hellboy back in "the day" because Mike didn't have confidence in his lyrical skillz - ha ha ha ha ha. (What the hell is Byrne doing nowadays?)
― Daver, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DV, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Andrew L, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― adam, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link
the trailer looks like the usual people jumping around and stuff - i.e. about as much fun as Men In Black.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:04 (twenty years ago) link
― kephm, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:45 (twenty years ago) link
! you _do_ hate fun!
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:56 (twenty years ago) link
and Andrew, if you use this as an excuse to bring up my heterodox taste in films I will HIT YOU WITH A BOOK next time I meet you. and it'll be a bigger one than the one you hit Lara with.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:08 (twenty years ago) link
But if you have something you want to get off your chest about what film you like, feel free.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link
why should it be like that? the comic isn't.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link
Yes it is.
The one Hellboy comic you read, was it Hellboy Junior?
― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link
I'm sorry to be so dismissive... maybe I read a bad limited series.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:39 (twenty years ago) link
― A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 27 November 2003 02:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 03:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 27 November 2003 13:16 (twenty years ago) link
and world war two RoXoR.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 27 November 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 22:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link
Now if Hellboy the film =10 well-explained evil lurks in clouds of mustard gas20 evil jumps around and around in shoddy CGI shots30 Hellboy clobbers it40 GOTO 20...I wouldn't want to see it, really.
― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link
― adam (adam), Monday, 2 February 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 February 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 11 March 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link
― O.Leee.B. (Leee), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:15 (twenty years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 April 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Belgian Rofflez (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 3 April 2004 05:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 April 2004 06:16 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:07 (twenty years ago) link
the moralizing was too obv. in places, and abe sabien didnt have enough lines.
still fine film, lots of phun, gr8 adventure, et. al
― anthony, Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link
(wolves of st august £4 from ebay, including p+p and two other issues which i already have. also picked up optic nerve #8 and #11 without leaving my desk. woot)
― koogs, Monday, 6 August 2007 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link
Hmm.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/hellboy-reboot-works-stranger-things-star-david-harbour-1001462
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 02:00 (seven years ago) link
I liked him a lot, both in ST and at the SAG awards, but I'm sure anybody should be forced to play Hellboy after Perlman.
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 03:09 (seven years ago) link
trailer is up - do we have a thread for this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt5g5_1cKVk
def has a lot more of that mike mignola feel
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
looks pretty cool
though i think it's hilarious and sad how trailers have trailers for themselves immediately before them now.
― omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
Not liking that at all, the CGI stands out as CGI more than in GDT's movies, the wise-cracking feels like they took too much of a cue from Deadpool, Hellboy just doesn't sound right without Perlman's voice, Ian McShane is no John Hurt.
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:51 (five years ago) link
Good points:
1) Neil Marshall is my favorite kind of insane (see Doomsday if you haven't)2) MILLA3) It's gotta at least be better than Golden Army, which SUUUUUCKED
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:59 (five years ago) link
this is a neil marshall flick? ok I'm interested
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:15 (five years ago) link
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, December 19, 2018
love u milo but this is crazy talk
1. CGI - longstanding tradition of CGI improving between advance trailers and release2. wisecracking - have you read Hellboy?3. Perlman - no, leaning toward hell no. love Perlman but his Hellboy was terrible.4. Bruttenholm - agree John Hurt was well cast. McShane a little more 1946-1952-style but he's A+ in everything other than American Gods so let's see how it plays
Speaking as an unabashed lover of the books, this trailer alone is already more enjoyable than any of GDT's work with the character or his world. No telling if it will translate into a satisfying feature, but the tone feels right and Harbour is killing it.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link
Eehhhhhhhhhhh. I like Marshall, but his genre riffing I think is more miss than hit. This one looks cheap - CGI doesn't get polished *that* much * and less than charming, especially after the GdT ones, which at least had character.
Has McShane played the Devil yet?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link
Hellboy would have been better off without GDT period full stop.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, December 19, 2018
Has he ever not?
lmao can't believe y'all gonna make me watch GDT's Hellboy again just to better catalog what it gets wrong
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
xpost I guess he is very devil-like in Sexy Beast!
Anyway, as someone who never read the comic, I liked the first one (esp. director's cut) a lot, and thought the second one looked great.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
I have not seen this longstanding tradition of CGI improvements - when a movie seems like it's going to have the overall look of a video game cutscene in the trailer, it still does in the theater IME. I've read Hellboy and there are jokes but it's more off-hand sardonic style than this. I'm not really into the Deadpool/MCU winking at the camera style.if you don't like the Perlman/GdT films I can see this being better, I guess, but yr crazy
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link
Barbour sounds like he's got Marlon Brando's cotton balls stuffed in his mouth
not being familiar with Hellboy before the films i thought the GdT ones were cool, but far from the types of films you can't improve on.
― omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
I think you could improve on the GdT films by stripping them down more (fewer fantasy elements)
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:40 (five years ago) link
Okay so (nerd hat on) what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.
GDT seemed to think what made it interesting was look there are SO MANY CREATURES! (which if you're GDT I mean, yeah, I get it) and what gave it oomph was Liz's struggle to not be Rogue from the X-Men.
tldr Hellboy is The Iron Giant and GDT made it Beat the End Boss and Kiss the Girl. He was always more interested in Abe.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
if you don't like the Perlman/GdT films I can see this being better, I guess, but yr crazy
peace. xoxo.
btw I’m not blind - that is some sardo numspa-lookin CGI demon.still better than GDT tho.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 December 2018 04:45 (five years ago) link
what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.
I thought this was literally what the first movie was about?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:04 (five years ago) link
I liked the GdT movies, and thought Perlman was pretty good. I liked what I've read of the comics. I'll probably like this, too.
However, the feel of Mignola's art, which is about half the appeal of Hellboy for me, just can't be adequately translated to live action, IMO, unless you're going to go for some Sin City-esque hyperstylization. Has anyone seen any of the animated Hellboy stuff/is it good?
― days of being riled (zchyrs), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
yes/not really? I mean, I literally forgot it existed and that I had seen it until this thread popped back up again yesterday
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
"Storm of Swords" is fine, haven't kept tabs on any other animated HB films.
I complained about this when the first movie came out that I didn't like GDT's decision to make HB and Abe hide their existences from the outside world. Having common folk talk to HB like NBD is a great little touch in the comics.
― Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
lol i literally contradicted myself in the other Hellboy thread. I rewatched both recently though and the very particular del Toro auteurism was more impressive on these viewings. the first trailer of this new one did look cool but the last one or two were troublesome. the funny lines didn't land and the direction looked very boilerplate. The Hellboy universe goes a long way with its inherent creativity, maybe there'd be some appeal there. but idk.
― omar little, Friday, 12 April 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
so much for my high hopes... by all accounts this one’s a fright pig. feel bad for Harbour and for Mignola, whose work deserves better
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:49 (five years ago) link
Such a shame. I really like a bunch of Marshall's B grade horror/historical films: "Dog Soldiers", "Centurion", "The Descent" - and was hoping he'd stay away from the cutesy GDT-isms and get at that sweet Mignola creepiness. Seems this is just a Z grade mimic'ing of the Del Toro stuff.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:30 (five years ago) link
so I ended up seeing this after all. it’s overstuffed and undercooked but really not half as bad as golden army and much closer in spirit to the books, which remain unassailable.a less corny soundtrack and maybe pulling two or three cheesy fight scenes would have helped a lot.they tried to do way too much and presumably won’t get a second swing, but god bless ‘em for trying. McShane’s as wasted as he is in American Gods but Harbour’s a gem throughout.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 04:53 (five years ago) link
The previews made it seem a bit Guy Richie Does Hellboy, which seems v. unlike the comic
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 14 April 2019 11:31 (five years ago) link
just to be clear, this is not a good movie. and there are def bits of that, though if anything more Matthew Vaughn than Guy Ritchie. i mean, there are bits of everything. you could cut a trailer that made this thing look like Attack the Block. my take is just, huh, it's not as bad as I expected.
the fatal flaw is that the producers think bc HELLBOY is a comic book, Hellboy has to be a superhero. i'd hoped this one would steer away from the CGI action crap and toward the horror/pulp/melancholy/weird tale elements but aside from one or two shots, nope.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
I remember at the very least The Golden Army (which I only saw that once, back when) looked gorgeous. From its trailers this one looks like a CGI public toilet.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link
an overhaul of the soundtrack alone would make this 50% better
― gbx, Sunday, 14 April 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link
Yeah wasn't great was it. & it seems to want to be the first of several. Seemed like a lot of lines were off rhythm or something. Wonder how many people stayed for the post credits scenes.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
Started watching this on Netflix. Barely 20 minutes in and we've had mediaeval england with king arthur and merlin and a bad witch, present day mexico where hellboy takes down a large bat-winged vampire, quick usa interlude to introduce ian mcshane, scene with baba yaga and unseen entity swearing revenge on hellboy, trip to england to talk about taking down three giants, flashback to hellboy birth scene, and then an unknown monastery terrorized by a large were-hog. It's a fuckin' mess is what it is.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:27 (four years ago) link
'this' = the 2019 film.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:28 (four years ago) link
all that is in the books.
https://www.comixology.co.uk/Hellboy-Omnibus-Vol-3-The-Wild-Hunt/digital-comic/691767?ref=YnJvd3NlL3NhbGUvZGVza3RvcC9ncmlkTGlzdC8zMzAwNg
(at least with the books you can control the speed)
― koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link
Or all that stuff might happen spread across four series in six years.
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link
at least with the books you don't have absolutely appalling green-screen work either.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:36 (four years ago) link
could've been worse - the earlier books are full of cthulu and nazis.
― koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
(i read 3rd and 4th omnibus one after the other, about 1000 pages total, didn't really know how it split into series or the release schedules. it was quite a ride)
― koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link
cthulhu stuff in the del toro film was great iirc.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
i carried on to the end, funny how hellboy's story arc is so similar to the del toro film. baba yaga and the giant demons at the end were kind of cool, if they made another one and the story was a bit leaner and cgi better i'd watch it - i mean i'd probably watch it anyway since i make bad decisions about how to spend my time.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link
true of all ilxors iirc
― international sword swallower, producer and creative director (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 18 January 2020 21:49 (four years ago) link
except me
― mark s, Saturday, 18 January 2020 22:10 (four years ago) link
yeah this one kinda broke my heart in that they got a lot right but tried to cram so much in and then erect a single dumb Big Bad on top of that quicksand that it was almost unwatchable. idk maybe it's like a transformers movie in that it might actually work better if you were high af with no access to concepts of cause and effect and it was just, like, a bunch of stuff happening.
harbour did his level best with it all and i'm sorry he won't get another shot. ledge didn't even mention that technically the wild hunt was in there too lol, plus the twilight of the fay.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 19 January 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link
just started a bit ago and the fact the first twenty minutes has elements from about six different Hellboy stories doesn’t bode well
opening voiceover and the constant swearing seems very un-Hellboy
― solo scampito (mh), Sunday, 21 June 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link
if you didn’t like the opening 20 minutes i have some v upsetting news about the rest of it
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 21 June 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
it is not good but is interesting enough to leave on while folding laundry
have to give them a small amount of credit for making the characters obvious enough that I can pick up on who they are before the script does a proper introduction
― solo scampito (mh), Sunday, 21 June 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link