French films are shit. Porquoi?

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It can't just be that the subtitler has no idea of how to convey the deep emotional angst that their ever so bored faces are desperately not trying to put across. Perhaps there is just a deeper malaise in all of French culture which has bubbled up into producing self-obsessed dinner party pieces which only appeal to self obsessed foreigners who have dinner parties.

Or is it that there aren't any dinosaurs or robots?

Pete, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

betty blue was great, horshima mon amoour was not the bomb, they do sex quite nicely in france

Geoff, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

If you like Betty Blue I suggest you go and get some proper porn. The Big Blue is also terrible (both versions). Are all movies with the word Blue in the title terrible - Derek Jarman's Blue being the perfect example. I remember people at the time talking in hushed tones (notably during the film) at how the shade seemed to subtly change. It was still BLUE.

And don't even think of mentioning Blue Fucking Velvet.

Pete, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

This must the place where I get to repeat my 1988 observation on how the four student-poster flicks were The Blues Brothers, Betty Blue, Blue Velvet and The Big Blue.

the pinefox, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

BLUE YET GOOD Die Blaue Engel
Blue water, White Death [= a documentary abt sharks which we always ended up seeing in Towyn cinema when it rained on holiday, and my mum always screamed when the shark's snout bumped the camera]
Blue Murder at St Trinians

mark s, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what about Borsalino, thats ace

gareth, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

and Une Femme est Une Femme is great too, as are probably a couple of hundred French movies. But yeah, subtitles - exploding starships + beautiful women = bit hard to understand some people ;)

Omar, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Gross simplication:

French films were popular in the 80s because people were simple and thought that dead-classy French birds having emotional traumas = art. The the forerunners of ILE came along an said 'errgh - you idiots'. Is Scandinavian arthouse the new French arthouse?

Nick, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it's not French films being shit so much as Francophiles bowing down before the dullest ones and paying homage. And pretending they dug that four hour film with Emmanuelle Beart naked getting painted because it said a lot about the artistic process, not because Beart was nude on screen longer than anyone in film history. That said, there is nothing worse than a really bad French arthouse film: The Green Ray or J'Embrasse Pas spring painfully to mind: lots of miserable people moping philosophically and pulling sour faces. And the least said the better about the dreaded Betty/Big Blue combo ("No its really good the soundtrack's great I don't understand you're the one who likes all that subtitled shit why don't you...") (Not that there aren't great French films, of course. Just a lot less of them than the French themselves and Susan Sontag - Gilbert Adair contingent reckon)

MarK Morris, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, no Nick: Scandanavian arthouse isn't the new French arthouse for the simple reason that the bulk of the Danish/Swedish/Norwegian films of recent years are really good. Except for Dancer In The Dark, which isn't.

Mark Morris, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jules et Jim, La Femme Nikita, Bout De Souffle, Rififi, Le Placard... all excellent, all French, hardly any dinner party moments at all.

Dave M., Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

sp. = bit hard to understand *for* some people. Jeez! And yes there are plenty of duller than dull French movies (things really went downhill in the 90s).

Omar, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick: I am distrustful of your sense of false populism.

Dave M., Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Omar, did you see Les Nuits Fauves? Then again there was Baise Moi which I found disgusting to say the least.

nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe The Green Ray seemed clumsy at times, i.e. the premise for the title, but I thought it had good moments, i.e. when she goes on a walk at her friend's family's place. There are some films that I feel uncomfortable watching - the protagonist is not a sympathetic character or whatever, but then I often think of them later. Anyway, I thought it really got across what the feeling of being alone is like.

youn, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hold on space cadets! No robots in French films??? niet!...you forget the French/Spanish film from 1966 CARTES SUR TABLE/ATTACK OF THE ROBOTS!!...there is a review of it here...
http://users.aol.com/timothyp2/francofolder/articles/attack robots.html

Rogue agent, over and out.

jel, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

French cultural policy toward film (ie subsidisation) combined with quite large pop'n of France combined with French TV (= total shit) MEANS THAT a large no.of v.ho- hum middlebrow ["eek"] movies (equiv. of Brit middlebrow ["eek"] TV) gets made for purely internal suburban consumption, never exported. Top level of this, exported, gets mixed up with la dregs of New Wavism (Chabrol, Rohmer) and second or third levels of Le Cinéma du Look (= poncy Cahiers term for flashy but braneless action sci-fi stuff from Beneix, Carax et al). French historical drama is exactly the cop-out that UK hist- dram is, we're just not quite so *bored* by the actors and actrixes. Plus there's nudity. Plus violent bloodshed and plaguepits (in La Reine Margot)

In a total class of his own, geniuswise, pretention-wise, boringness-wise = Godard.

Grate Gilbert Adair story (which he tells against himself, I shd add). GA arrives at a screening late, asks bloke seated next to him what's happened. Bloke obliges with plot so far. Afterwards GA goes off on one as to why is to that, when asking what one has missed so far, you always get narrative, and no one ever obliges with the MISE EN SCENE? All critics and reviews present to hear this rant fall about, and NEVER STOP TEASING HIM about it.

mark s, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

There were so many classic French films and French directors (Chabrol, Renoir, Truffaut, Ophuls, Godard, Melies, etc.) that it's hard to say that French films are all shit. On the other hand, in the States we tend to get the better products of the French film industry, or at least those French films with pretensions of artistic quality. I suspect the French tend to keep their equivalents of Dude, Where's My Car? contained to the homeland. American studios should do the same -- imagine how much more respect and prestige the American film industry would have if the only films they released abroad were those by folks like Martin Scorsese, David Lynch, or Tim Burton (OK, well maybe not Planet of the Apes).

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Les Nuits Fauves, Nathalie, I'm afraid not, altohugh title sounds pretty good...recommendation? I'm a little out of touch these days, the lil' one demands too much attention.

Omar, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the lil' one demands too much attention.
Shouldn't this one go in the wank-thread? Just kidding. I quite like Les Nuits Fauves; but then I quite like John Hughes' films.

nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

When I wrote that sentence the thought crossed my mind "she can misread it, nah, she won't...or?" :)

Mmm, Les Nuits Fauves: French nymphs running through the woods, etc? The reference to J.Hughes is a bit alarming though.

Omar, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

NO no no no, as usual I post much to quickly. What I meant to say was that my taste is very patchy. Les Nuits Fauves is based on a real story. A guy falls in love with a girl but doesn't tell her he's HIV positive until later on in the relationship. Very very very sad.

nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hold on space cadets! No robots in French films??? Also don't forget Alphaville - classic and predated Blade Runner and the rise of Microsoft.

Jason, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Umbrellas Of Cherbourg, Breathless, Joan of Arc, The Vampires, 400 blows , My Life in Rose , Jules and Jim, Rules of the Game.
NOTHING RULES OVER FRENCH CINEMA: PEROID !

anthony, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Luis De Funes. Need I say more?

nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

French films are great. But my tastes run more towards German expressionist films (Fritz Lang, von Stroheim, Dr. Caligari, Pabst). That would explain why I like David Lynch and Tim Burton films so much, too.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sure sure robots but OU EST LES DINOSAURS?

Anyway, it should also be mentioned that when Fr. cinema tries not to be Fr. cinema and go for that mainstream-appeal thing it gets much worse i.e. Les Visiteurs, Asterix movies, any 'French action movie' etc.

Tom, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: French action. I thought Taxi 2 was OK, as it happens, if really really racist. Oh, and there's meant to be this '60s film with Jean-Paul Belmondo that Indiana Jones was allegedly ripped off (L'Homme Du Rio), which sounds fantastic, but I've never seen it. Anyone?

Mark Morris, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Pete -- does your 'Blue' movie theory extend to all blue movies too?

alex thomson, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Only if they have the word blue in the title - though that should be the subject of a seperate thread. I'm torn on Blue Hawaii.

I actually have a soft spot for a lot of French films, despite lack of dinosaurs and robots, though i do think they can sometimes settle into the similar problem of a lot of American indie films. Too much pointless and possibly substandard dialogue. Of course my only knowledge of dialogue is from the subtitles which will not get across the nuances. Films like Les Dinner De Cons actually do the dinner party thing well, whilst other French stuff I have enjoyed thoroughly over the last few years include The Girl On The Bridge, A La Place Du Couer and Resources Humaine.

I really dislike Claire Denis though.

Pete, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The French: they call London Londres, and Julius Caesar Jules César. IE THEY TOTALLY RENAME THEM for who knows what reason.
So answer me this: Do they also have komikal kustomised Académie de Français=approved misnomens for DINOSAURS?

"Stegosaurus? Je ne comprends pas. Il y a L'Éstegousauron.... Etc."

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"There is a lost French film from 1909 based upon Jules Verne's A Journey to The Centre of The Earth that allegedly contains dinosaurs" source - http://www.dinosaur.org/MovieHistory.htm

I feel that I have failed, as I cannot find any other ones.

jel, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well no surprise really since they don't have proper words for them.

Tom, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

English-French On-line Dictionary Search
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This dictionary database is from the freeware multilingual program Ergane. It contains over 10,000 terms. Also see travlang's French-English Dictionary.

Enter a word or words to search for: dinosaur

Notes: Searches are case insensitive. You can use a * as a wildcard. Boolean searches are allowed.

Result of search for "dinosaur":

No matching entries found.

= proof by science that French films are rubbish

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

In my Collins Robert French Dictionary (2nd ed.), dinosaur = le dinosaure. Ergo, French films are not rubbish.

youn, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Think Mark M is a bit harsh on Jacques Rivette's La Belle Noiseuse - it isn't JUST an excuse to have E. Beart naked for 4 hours. Rivette urgent and etc. for all sorts of reason; he makes you question certain assumptions you might have about the length of films, the way they can be edited OR NOT edited, improvisation, cinema v. theatre, performance, magic, etc. etc. Can't better David Thomson's entry on Rivette in his 'Biographical Dictionary...' - give it a go! One of Rivette's most recent flicks, 'Secret Defense', mesmerisingly boring and brilliant 'thriller' that mostly consists of the lead actress Sondrine Bonnaire(sp) traveling round on French tubes and trains (I exaggerate...but hardly the stuff of a cynical old satyr...)

Godard is champ, of course, the silly sexist old Maoist. Some of his recent work - esp. his video 'histories of cinema' - as brilliant and downright barmy as any of his 'classic' Nouvelle Vague stuff. Have sort've been taken aback by the anti-art flavour of some of the posts - we can have rockets and rayguns AND chin-scratching pseudery, we can have it ALL! Ok maybe we only get the 'cream' of French cinema - but what cream! And I haven't even mentioned Vigo, Renoir, Truffaut, Betrand Blier, etc etc.

Andrew L, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Pah, looking something up in a BOOK isn't science, youn! It's only science when you look it up on the internet!! (Plus: does it have stegosaurus... )

Rivette also made OUT ONE (which is 12 hours long), which = a film I must see before I die (tho won't). The cut version, OUT ONE: SPECTRE is a mere four hours long. I keep meaning to go see some of the Godards at the Lux or the NFT, but can find no one to go with!!

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Stegosaurus? Je ne comprends pas. Il y a L'Éstegousauron.... Etc."

Huh ? Dinosaures, brontosaures, tyrannosaures, etc. etc. What, do all other languages use the exact english words for dinosaurs? One translation thing that does get embarrassing is english movie titles turned into cutesy France slang, which never fails to sound incredibly dorky to Québec ears. Or worse, bad France translations of US TV shows where all the cultural references are turned into French ones - Family Ties in French is an all-time landmark of unspeakableness (unspeakability ?). However, translations of the Flintstones and The Simpsons = made in Québec, and they totally rox0r.

Patrick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Gilbert Adair is always good for well-written pedantry: I remember him declaring c.1981 that the credits rolling across the screen on Gone With The Wind were "a virtual parody of the act of reading"

French film seen at young age and stuck with me permanently: "L'Atalante"

Robin Carmody, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Pete, you're an idiot. There are many more excellent French films produced each year than American ones. I'd say one-in-three American films are worth sitting through and have some redeeming qualities. It's more like one-in-two French films. It's just most French films never make it to the US, just the ones which the distributors believe the American audiences will like, ie the insipid ones full of special effects. Americans don't like thinking any farther than their wallets, and nobody is asking them to change. Why do Americans so very much desire that the rest of the world become like them? As far as films are concerned, French films (which are really co-European productions these days) are far superio

Simon Benson, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Simon, Pete is not based in the US.

Aren't you making some awfully sweeping generalizations?

Nicole, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Read about the best French film ever he re. The reason French films are shit now is that Jacques Tati is no longer alive.

MarkH, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread was started in the young days of ILE and was a deliberately provocative attempt to get serious debate on the subject of French films - which are often treated as being superior merely because they are French. (Much what you appear to be doing here - how do you know that proportion is good if you never get to see them). I live in London and get to see an awful lot of French films and - with some notable exceptions - the collection of late have pandered to the stereotype and been poor.

I am not an idiot, I am a dolt - as I explained somewhere else.

Pete, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

far superio

This is like..

N., Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I don't remember typing that.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 10 January 2003 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Porquoi?

Is that like the French version of Porky's?

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 January 2003 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

special effects deserve respect too obv (ie they can be done well or badly): are there *any* good french SFX movies after abt 1920?

you hate melies = you hate me

mark s (mark s), Friday, 10 January 2003 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

CIty OF Lost Children. Good French Spesh EffXor film. Also a lot of money thrown on a kids film which was too violent and disturbing for the censors over here to let kids see. Ha Ha.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 10 January 2003 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link

city of lost children is k-lame though

mark s (mark s), Friday, 10 January 2003 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it would have been your cup of tea Mark. See, no point second guessing other peoples likes. A good 1990's Brother's Grimm I thought.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 10 January 2003 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

She was so blase about everything for most of the film. Maybe I read too much into her lack of expression.

nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 14:49 (five years ago) link

There's a great HD transfer of La Maman made for French TV floating around the t0rrents.

There's also a Japanese dvd out there, although it is subject to typical Japanese censorship (primarily digitally blurred full-frontal shots--ironically this is the version Mr. Skin uses for their screencaps from the film).

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 20:24 (five years ago) link

Oh hai, vhs rip on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM3-NHGcUYM

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 20:33 (five years ago) link

IN SPANISH

ENGLISH SUBS HERE: http://youtu.be/Q12zgo39ovg

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 20:35 (five years ago) link

The Little Loves w/subs: http://youtu.be/DYnzr_wVn9s

Santa Claus Has Blue Eyes w/subs: http://youtu.be/Xfo7o5TcJ1k

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 20:38 (five years ago) link

It's a pretty light affair

are you high

schlump, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 23:05 (five years ago) link

In a 2007 interview in Les Inrockuptibles, she discussed the film’s devastating real-life context. The interviewers, Jean-Baptiste Morain and Serge Kaganski, asked her whether she “knew during the shoot that the film was very inspired by [Eustache’s] own life.” Lafont answered:

Of course, since Françoise Lebrun was his ex-girlfriend. And the girl whose role I was playing killed herself after the first screening. It was Catherine, at whose home we were shooting and who was the makeup artist. But it was transposed, it was “Les Liaisons Dangereuses” in the twentieth century, it wasn’t cinema-vérité. But it was still almost embarrassing because it was so painful for Catherine. At a given moment, I told Eustache that I didn’t feel up to doing it, it was too heavy. He said, “Oh, if you don’t do the film, I’m not doing it!” So I had to do it. But it wasn’t cheerful and it brought about the total drama, as we know. It was very hard for him. But it was a radical era. It was after ’68, people left for utopias.… There were social suicides.

schlump, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 23:16 (five years ago) link

She was so blase about everything for most of the film. Maybe I read too much into her lack of expression.

Or maybe she played it with her emotions shut, a numb-ness to protect herself? That doesn't becessarily mean "on drugs".

Any excuse for a re-watch. Lumiere tend to re-screen this now and then thankfully.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 10:20 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

So, what is happening in French film at the moment? Like, who are the most exciting directors and all that? When I think of French cinema, I can find nobody like Haneke or Almodovar or even Sorrentino, who's films are guaranteed release in a small market like Denmark. Heck, when I look at the list of French directors at this years Cannes: Jacques Audiard, Stephane Brizé, Valerie Donzelli, Maiwenn and Guillaume Nicloux, I don't even know who most of them are. What is going on in French cinema? Is there a particular French style, like the 'Berlin school' or the weird wave in Greece, or Romanian stuff.

I know one thing is paying off big at the moment: The support given to North African cinema, where French-Tunisian Abdellatif Kechiche won in Cannes two years back, and French-Mauritanian co-production Timbuktu won all the Cesars recently. And also, I've been watching a bunch of Bertrand Bonello, his Saint Laurent, On War, and Antonin Barraud's marvelous Portrait of the Artist, in which Bonello plays the main character, and it's great and it's distinctively French, I think. Not really working in a particular style as such, but using a bunch of different styles and motifs on top of each other, using repetitions and variations a lot, in a way not unlike Assayas or Desplechin or even Kechiche. But I don't know if it's called anything, if it's solely French, even if it's really something, or if I'm just imagining stuff.

Has anything happened in French cinema since that awful 'New French Extremity' thingy? I mean, I like some of the directors who were associated with that - Dumont, Bonello - but what an awful 'wave' of films.

Frederik B, Monday, 27 April 2015 23:12 (five years ago) link

certainly most of the directors whose new films I'll pay to see are the vets I know (Techine, Assayas et al)

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 00:12 (five years ago) link

Bonello and Dumont continue to make excellent films BYMMV

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 02:08 (five years ago) link

Dumont, Denis, Assayas def. all world class imho. Looking forward to the new Gaspar Noe, which was filmed in French.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 09:06 (five years ago) link

Dumont ugh

Bonello series recomms? I've only seen House of Pleasures; Saint Laurent opens imminently.

http://www.filmlinc.com/films/series/i-put-a-spell-on-you-the-films-of-bertrand-bonello

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:27 (five years ago) link

My list:

1. Saint Laurent
2. On War
3. House of Tolerance/Pleasures
4. The Pornographer
5. Tiresia

Haven't seen Something Organic or the shorts or the documentary.

I don't know. I think he's very interesting, and I love the chance to binge on a new filmmaker. But his early stuff is a bit impersonal, it's only from On War and onwards that he really begins finding his own style. Saint Laurent is a really good gay film as well, I think. A lot of the interesting things with Bonello is the way he discusses sex and gender, but in his early films and can be so caught up in 'new extremity' thinking. There are some good points about how society views transgendered people in Tiresia, or porn in The Pornographer, but they kinda drown in all the blood and the sex of it all.

But the dirty truth is that the real must-see in that program is Antoine Barraud's Portrait of the Artist, in which Bonello plays the lead. That one sums up pretty much everything Bonello tries to get at about 'monsters' and sex and gender, but in a much more entertaining package. That is my major discovery of 2015 so far, I really loved it.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 14:59 (five years ago) link

thx v much

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:16 (five years ago) link

That Tomboy film was good. Its director has now made Girlhood, which seems exciting

carles the jekyll (imago), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:19 (five years ago) link

For search purposes, Céline Sciamma

carles the jekyll (imago), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:21 (five years ago) link

jeezus, as usual those Linc Center schedules are murder on people with weekday jobs and who like to eat dinner before 9:30pm.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:22 (five years ago) link

Saw the Girlhood trailer - riding the 'female friendship' bag (re: Ferrante). Also had La Haine vibes - in any case worth a look.

When I think of French cinema, I can find nobody like Haneke or Almodovar or even Sorrentino, who's films are guaranteed release in a small market like Denmark.

Amodovar is a joke. Sorrentino has probably made his best film. Haneke...get the feeling he won't make another great film (no reason for thinking this except he has made many of 'em over a long period of time).

There are always 2-3 films from France that will be good, but its mostly froth. Like most places.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 21:59 (five years ago) link

Sorry to complete the above - A lot of the time there is a price to pay to make sure your films get into a screen.

Dumont, who is probably the best current French cinema has - struggles to get a screening here. Carlos - five hour cut, know its LOL TV but it works as cinema - didn't even get a decent run in the French film institute here.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 22:10 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

Eden reminded me of The Last Days of Disco a bit, although it's more of a mood piece. At one point, when Paul DJs the wedding after his fall from grace, I even thought of This Is Spinal Tap--it's basically his gig at the military base. Think I recognized maybe five or six songs (including Jaydee's "Plastic Dreams," which a few months ago I mentioned to a friend was the only Christgau single-of-the-year I'd never heard, until I heard it and realized that I did know it); someone immersed in this might find the soundtrack woefully off the mark, but I thought the music was good. On the Assayas thread someone posted about similarities to Something in the Air, which he liked better; I preferred Eden. Great ending that some will find cloying. If you've seen this, who is the actress who gives Paul the Robert Creeley book? She might even be well known...Can't locate her in the credits, and I'm positive I've seen her before--she's something of a Meg Foster lookalike.

clemenza, Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:46 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

yikes Saint Laurent IS 150 MINS

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 21:11 (four years ago) link

He. But it flies by and there's quite a lot of full frontal male nudity. And it's Bonello's best and very worth seeing. Also, it's a minute less than Batman v Superman!

Frederik B, Tuesday, 29 March 2016 21:14 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Qui est-ce que tu trouve plus sympa -- Frederique ou Pauline -- et comme un copain (pas une copine (neutre, si c'est possible))?

youn, Sunday, 26 June 2016 18:46 (four years ago) link

pardon -- trouves

youn, Sunday, 26 June 2016 18:51 (four years ago) link

Ca dépend...?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 10:29 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

Bravo

I Walk the Ondioline (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 14:54 (three years ago) link

I'm actually starting to feel that this might be slightly true? At least this year. tt was bemoaning how all the French films she's seen recently have the same tiresome feel

Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 15:19 (three years ago) link

I take it that Verhoeven's "Elle" isn't widely released yet

Wes Brodicus, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:29 (three years ago) link

bullshit, try le cinema americain

Elle played 32 N American screens last weekend, doing OKish.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:31 (three years ago) link

Didn't see many American films I liked this year either. Hurry up and release the Lonergan already

Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:54 (three years ago) link

speaking of shit, and french films, it's almost time again to watch "pere noel est un ordure"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 19:40 (three years ago) link

i enjoyed seeing that at MoMA a few years ago

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 19:41 (three years ago) link

Elle played 32 N American screens last weekend, doing OKish.

They probably should have marketed it as a comedy.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 19:43 (three years ago) link

well it is that, but partly something very much not.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 19:51 (three years ago) link

I wouldn't say there have been 10 French films that are must-see in any given year in my film-going lifetime. It doesn't work like that.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 December 2016 21:31 (three years ago) link

Every year the Glasgow Film Festival takes part in a season of French cinema that features quite a lot of films by new or young French filmmakers, so it still feels like French is a productive cinema country (more so than the UK, anyway). These are films in an arthouse mode, generally - I have no idea about what constitutes 'popular' cinema in France now, if it even exists (I remember family holidays in France in the 1970s, when you would see big posters for obscure French comedies that would never ever play in the UK - would love to see a season of that stuff now - Ozon's Potiche seems to be partly a tribute to that 'genre'). As always, it's hard to make general comments about a large national cinema when we only get to see a tiny fraction of the totality, but any country where Godard, Dumont, Bonello, Denis, Desplechin, Assayas etc are still active can hardly be written off entirely.

Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 8 December 2016 21:46 (three years ago) link

i don't know if it's still subsidised, but france is large enough population-wise to sustain a film industry without having to worry enormously about selling same all round the world

(also -- or at least this was true back when i read whatever it was that taught me this^^^ -- it doesn't give a cultural fvck about its TV, and as a consequence a lot of its film basically fills some of the dramatic slots that TV offers in the UK)

mark s, Thursday, 8 December 2016 21:54 (three years ago) link

that sounds about right but Peak TV is beginning to hit france too with some quality stuff like Trepalium and Bureau Des Legendes

but yes LOADS of stuff that just never gets translated.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 December 2016 22:05 (three years ago) link

yes there've been a handful of things getting into the nordic slot during scando downtime -- spiral most obviously (also a belgian thing abt a fancy bank robbery)

mark s, Thursday, 8 December 2016 22:08 (three years ago) link

Yes, Spiral.

Was gonna say Carlos by Assayas was a made for TV thing (which played here at the cinemas, but I saw it on DVD).

As for French films this year there have def been a couple (and there always is a couple). Loved Things to Come.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 December 2016 22:17 (three years ago) link

well most mainstream French cinema consists of comedies, all more or less descending from the 70's "Les Bronzés" mold (ie middle class shenanigans in communal settings)
In a very different syle, I saw "Le Prénom" ("What's in a Name") the other day and thought it was surprisingly good for a mainstream comedy.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 December 2016 11:06 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

Caught up with Bonello's Nocturama at its NY premiere, variously put in mind of Bresson, mid-60s Godard and Rio Bravo. Maybe his best, along with the brothel movie.

http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/article/toronto-international-film-festival-2016-bertrand-bonellos-nocturama

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/reviews-recommendations/nocturama-review-bertrand-bonello-terrorism-consumerism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J122E5Ygz5s

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 March 2017 17:21 (three years ago) link

I might have preferred Saint Laurent (to both of them) but yeah, it's really good.

Frederik B, Sunday, 5 March 2017 17:36 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

tsk tsk

see BPM btw

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 17:52 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

my god Betty Blue, a recent beneficiary of the Criterion treatment, is garbage.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:24 (seven months ago) link

lol. otm

Frederik B, Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:45 (seven months ago) link

have never been an avid cinemagoer, so my opinion might be ignorable, but still: the only film showing I ever walked out of (this must have been ‘87), because it was just so not good and so not for me (my companion felt exactly the same).

breastcrawl, Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:13 (seven months ago) link


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