Elizabeth Taylor - RIP

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The greatest actress of the twentih century.

anthony, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

first of all Twentieth
And it was meant as a discuss type of question.

anthony, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope she dies very soon

Mike Hanley, Saturday, 28 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

yes she is michael jackson

Geoff, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's sad to see someone of such beauty be ravaged by age, though that's life, eh?

DG, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Meryl Streep has that honor all to herself. Liz had the most action, though. Her & Doris Day.

Sentimental post-ironic pre-intelligent Gen-XXY pick: Pia Zadora.

David Raposa, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No michael jackson is trying to be her.

anthony, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Her incredible blue-violet eyes. There was this film we had to watch for civ... Black and white. She's walking on a balcony above a room full of lunatics. I think it was based upon a play by Tennessee Williams... Please help!

youn, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The one you are thinking of is Suddenly Last Summer i think. Meryl Streep plays verbal tricks . She is boring and only uses her horse mouth . An actor needs to use her body as well as her mouth. Taylor talks as well as she moves.She uses her whole body making us pay attention to the slightest smile or the most imperial wave.

Look at the way she physically interacts with Newman in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. She slinks . She grows closer to him, touches him, presses her body against him and then retreats. She does this with her words as well. The way she talks and the way she interacts with Brick indicate this point counterpoint game played in those maneuvers . One we are not allowed to participate in.

Or look at the way she uncoils with pure rage and desperation as Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. The pathos of that role seems to slice too close to the bone. We need a release , a way to find sympathy but nobody allows us to have it. She botttoms out and it does not end with a cheap and false redemption.

As well look at Cleopatra ; a movie that is so epic and grand an Actor should be swallowed by its scenery. But she matches every move of the background with Operatic Regalness. Who else have we believed as Cleopatra.

She manages to make the spaces her own and still interact with those around her. Her best work is not when she is fire-working on her own. It is when she is pulling and prodding a strong male lead. Burtons best work came out of Liz. I do not believe that Burton would have a career without her. But this is not the only actor she has brought to new heights. The previously mentioned Paul Neuman and James Dean in Giant . Christ she even made Micky Rooney watchable in American Velvet.

anthony, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

. Who else have we believed as Cleopatra

Amanda Barrie in Carry on Cleo.

Billy Dods, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Liz Taylor was certainly better than Nannette Newman in the "Velvet" series of films. But the horses were better than either of them.

Richard Burton however was fantastic. A boozer who hated acting making so many great films and being the first Westerner to visit Mecca (and I don't mean the Bingo hall).

Pete, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

She used to be beautiful...esp. thinking of Suddenly Last Summer (very underrated film that) and esp. when she's wearing that white swimsuit. [turns into howling cartoon wolf]

Omar, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Proto-Julia Roberts: who didn't she date?

nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Cash cow

Mike Hanley, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Liz Taylor doesn't have the best taste in men, does she? Someone should have told her that you ignore construction workers who wolf-whistle at you, not marry them.

Shame she's better known among young 'uns like me for being a semi- regular in The National Enquirer and The Star than for her movies. Which means that I can't really comment about her acting (only things I've seen with her were National Velvet and Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, the latter being one of the most pretentious bits of cinematic wank ever to escape Hollywood). Though she gets points for raising so much money for AIDS research and for her genuine concern for people suffering from AIDS.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Elizabeth Taylor was beautiful back in the day, and is a pretty good "iconic" persona. She was a decent actress, hardly not the greatest of the twentieth century. I wouldn't even put her in the top ten.

Insane = her Tennessee Williams-written flop "Boom" with Richard Burton. She seems drunk and on drugs the entire film. Actually, its so crazy it's worth watching.

Sean, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What is the Delta Burke connection?

Mike Hanley, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

She's fabulous, enough said. She's not my Marilyn though.

Ally, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

fabulou s as in worthless?

Mike Hanley, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Richard Burton used to call her Miss Tits. That's good enough for me - classic.

Madchen, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I read the other day that when she drove through adoring crowds in her limo, she'd wave and say "Fuck You, Fuck You" at them all and they'd all assume she was saying "Thank You, Thank You". For some reason, this is funny, whereas, saying "Wank you very much", isn't"

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nick, she probably said: Fuck you... if you were famous.

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Who should marry construction workers, then? Low-rent slags?

Kerry Keane, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Search: National Velvet
Destroy: eh, everything else

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Uh amateurist, Giant?

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link

well, keep Father of the Bride too.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I dig her when she's with Burton. I can't get enough Burton and Liz together.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Suddenly Last Summer is soooo, soooo good. Though Katherine Hepburn is even more fantastically insane. I don't think I've ever laughed watching a film as much as during the bit where she descends in her byzantine lift when Montgomery Clift goes to meet her...'as this is a democracy, I Descend...'

Myron Kosloff, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

suddenluy last summer is amazing. very un-hollywood. it's too weird.

eriiik, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:09 (sixteen years ago) link

to be honest, i've never seen that. it's on my list.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

i just recommended that the other day on someone's movie thread. ya got liz, monty clift, katharine hepburn in full cry, twisted tennesse williams script. its fab.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

see aside from kate hepburn that doesn't sound v. much up my alley (and i'm not even the biggest kate hepburn fan).

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:35 (sixteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

RIP

I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:06 (eight years ago) link

Awww RIP pretty lady.

She MJ and Liberace gonna have one hell of a reunion party in da sky.

ENBB, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:08 (eight years ago) link

The BBC website was clearly all ready to go on this: as well as the news story, they have magicked up Obituary, In Pictures, Filmography and Private Life in the Spotlight in a matter of minutes.

Madchen, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:25 (eight years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12833100

Madchen, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:25 (eight years ago) link

i hate when fake ilx rip threads turn real.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:27 (eight years ago) link

For a few years the most beautiful woman in the world. I wish she'd done more comedy (Reflections in a Golden Eye, X Y & Zee).

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:28 (eight years ago) link

yes that laff riot romp reflections in a golden eye

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:29 (eight years ago) link

anyway rest in peace big diamond bitch goddess icon drag queen violet eye rage machine. luv ya.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:31 (eight years ago) link

yes that laff riot romp reflections in a golden eye

She's hilarious in it! (Intentionally too)

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:33 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nInE5TITzE8

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:34 (eight years ago) link

i love reflections. i need it on dvd. almost a trance film in spots. you could write a book about that one. yes you could.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:35 (eight years ago) link

alfred have you seen this? so funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gR-vU44gd4

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:37 (eight years ago) link

"Courageous" is thrown around a lot, but she really was in the eighties, fighting for AIDS research when no one else was – AND on behalf of gays.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:38 (eight years ago) link

So long, beautiful.

Brad C., Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:40 (eight years ago) link

RIP

estela, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:40 (eight years ago) link

Most beautiful in A Place in the Sun and Father of the Bride, most whoa-talented-after-all in WAFoVWoolf.

RIP, Miss Tits (Burton's nickname for her).

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:42 (eight years ago) link

morbs otm

damn

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:45 (eight years ago) link

"only" 79!

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:48 (eight years ago) link

Julie and Julia is light comedy (and another hit).

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 March 2011 19:57 (eight years ago) link

I love her in Adaptation.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 24 March 2011 20:00 (eight years ago) link

Same sort of parallel story role as J&J, come to think of it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 24 March 2011 20:01 (eight years ago) link

man, I have no memory of what Dark Matter or Evening were.

Anyway, Streep is an artiste w/ Juilliard cred, Taylor never really tried to convince anyone she was even when doing TennWms or Albee.

Search cackling audio outtakes of Liz's "General Hospital" guest shot.

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 March 2011 20:07 (eight years ago) link

i kinda mean more her public persona got kindof looser and adaptation was a really good role for someone aging gracefully but staying sexy and dangerous

ico, Thursday, 24 March 2011 20:10 (eight years ago) link

hmmm

http://www.vanityfair.com/images/hollywood/2011/03/taylor-ascending-large.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 24 March 2011 20:20 (eight years ago) link

Liz was so damn breathtaking, and it was almost like a Brando thing, where she knew what she had but played it like she didnt care..or something

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 24 March 2011 20:21 (eight years ago) link

Child star that went credible - Jodie Foster? Private life not the same, obvs.

anna sui generis (suzy), Thursday, 24 March 2011 22:13 (eight years ago) link

I don't think we're discussing the child performances enough. She's bracing and direct in National Velvet, isn't she?

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 March 2011 22:22 (eight years ago) link

on last week's 'at the movies' ebert (as read by bill kurtis) discussed the adaptation of jane eyre from 1943 w/orson welles and joan fontaine and showed a clip from the scene where she makes her first screen appearance.

omar little, Thursday, 24 March 2011 22:29 (eight years ago) link

I was going to post that! But I haven't seen the movie in years. I confuse her with Mary Nash.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 March 2011 22:32 (eight years ago) link

more like jane eerie, that face at that age

omar little, Thursday, 24 March 2011 22:33 (eight years ago) link

it's a relief to see someone in hollywood who has gone from very young to (relatively) old and basically kept the same face

Ralpharina (La Lechera), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:05 (eight years ago) link

more like jane eerie, that face at that age

― omar little, Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:33 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

lmao... i wouldn't have even thought about it, but now im weirded out by it too

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 24 March 2011 23:09 (eight years ago) link

that vanity fair thing i swear MUST be done by sometimes ILX resident dan lacey

I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 March 2011 03:42 (eight years ago) link

thanks for posting Morbz!

that moment when she snorts when she laughs at 1:21 is excellent

"I'm sorry folks, I'm not used to acting" LOL

goddammit she's just so darn CUTE

"Did you see the Tony Awards?"

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 25 March 2011 05:23 (eight years ago) link

i think what she's mumbling after "Did you see the Tony Awards?" is something like "i screwed up my lines on that too."

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 March 2011 15:51 (eight years ago) link

yeah, she tells him how she got all the people's names wrong there too.

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 25 March 2011 15:53 (eight years ago) link

David Carr in the NY Times:

“I know I’m vulgar,” she once said, “but would you have me any other way?” In that respect, she was very much like Dolly Parton, another durable American star who turned sartorial trashiness into a virtue by claiming it as her own. No one invented Dolly Parton or Elizabeth Taylor, although many have claimed to, and their connection to their fans was, and has been, a visceral, living thing based on an honesty and directness.

But that is not the same as saying that she was not a lady. She was every inch a lady. It’s trite to say, but think of the biggest-wattage stars, like, say, Angelina Jolie. Ms. Jolie is remarkably beautiful and very talented, and, like Ms. Taylor, in control of her own career. But there is certain masculinity to Ms. Jolie’s appeal, a willingness to kick some tail on screen and go after whatever she wants off-screen. And before you dismiss the argument as the product of a diseased, sexist mind, a little thought experiment: Before there was Brangelina, there was Dickenliz. In the instance of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, who is the alpha? It’s not really even much of a question. Yet even though Ms. Taylor’s fans adored her with far more ferocity than Richard Burton’s talents ever engendered, she deferred to him.

That may be why, apart from her manifest beauty, she remained, as the director George Stevens said, the girl every American boy “thinks he can marry.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/weekinreview/27carr.html

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 27 March 2011 02:30 (eight years ago) link

I get what he's saying but it feels like a condescending way to say it. Pitting Jolie's "masculinity" against Taylor's "demureness" off screen just seems like an incredibly dated and boring way to talk about those two women, if he must talk about them in the same article...though everyone seems intent on doing it.
It's like the Jackie O and Marilyn archetype, the virgin and the whore...that whole line of conversation just annoys the hell out of me.

VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 27 March 2011 02:45 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

They both look so good/similar to Taylor and Burton. However, I'm still not sure we really need a movie about them whether it has good actors or not.

...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 15:16 (six years ago) link

omg @ dominic west

wow

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 15:46 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

Anyone ever seen X, Y and Zee, aka Zee and Co.? Domestic fights w/ Michael Caine AND a love scene w/ Susannah York!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zee_and_Co.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2013 16:56 (six years ago) link

Kael loves her in it. I saw it once when I had a local video store but rented The Sandpiper instead.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 November 2013 16:58 (six years ago) link

It's showing in 35mm at Lincoln Center tomw night.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2013 17:03 (six years ago) link

Liz is very funny in it, mostly intentionally and especially in the first half. There's a weird lesbophobic early '70s ending, no wonder Kael loved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8GdEYIzP2k

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 November 2013 04:02 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

NYC retro, lots on 35mm... i have still never seen Secret Ceremony and Ash Wednesday.

https://quadcinema.com/program/essential-liz/

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:33 (one year ago) link

Secret Ceremony is weird, good-bad but worthwhile. Only thing I remember about Ash Wednesday is plastic surgery.

The one I look forward to is The Driver's Seat, which I've seen a couple of times but on poor prints.

Josefa, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:51 (one year ago) link

i don't remember even hearing of that one.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:57 (one year ago) link

Liz was one of the many inspirations for my new name.

Eliza D., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:58 (one year ago) link

John Simon called Secret Ceremony "worse than bad, militantly loathsome," Pauline Kael called it "truly terrible" and Rex Reed called it "a piece of garbage." So definitely go see that one.

Josefa, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:16 (one year ago) link

But I have seen all of Joseph Losey's 1962-71 films except for it! Also, there's the presence of Mitchum and Mia, and Fernando Croce finds it intentionally funny:

http://www.cinepassion.org/Reviews/s/SecretCeremony.html

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:27 (one year ago) link

Kael loved Ash Wednesday for her lurid performance

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:32 (one year ago) link

xp As he says there, it parallels Boom! in many ways. Same kind of borderline laughable provocation.

Josefa, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:35 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

both Ash Wednesday and Secret Ceremony are kinda bad -- even tho Losey is a better filmmaker than Larry Peerce, Mia Farrow is particularly grating in SC, and the dialogue, oy. Still, it has a scene where Liz belches after chowing down on breakfast pastries and sausage.

Kael loved Ash Wednesday for her lurid performance

hmm, not so:

In a few scenes, Elizabeth Taylor is done up like Arletty playing Garance in CHILDREN OF PARADISE, and she's absolutely ravishing, in an unearthly, ageless way. But the film is a long-drawn-out ghoulish commercial for cosmetic surgery-made, apparently, for people who can't think of anything to do with their lives but go backward. Jean-Claude Tramont is credited with the script and Larry Peerce is credited with the direction, but there is no script and there is no direction. With Keith Baxter, Helmut Berger, and Henry Fonda giving a sour, dumb performance.

I disagree about it being a "commercial" and Fonda btw. Keith Baxter plays her gay fashion photographer confidante.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 June 2018 03:52 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

The Sandpiper is worth a look if you can deal with lush, hopelessly miscast turkeys. When the titular bird flies onto Liz's head in the middle of a romantic tete-a-tete with Dick...

Kael:

https://letterboxd.com/notpaulinekael/film/the-sandpiper/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:35 (one year ago) link

Whenever I see that movie I just wonder about the real-world pricetag of that fabulous beachfront "shack" in Big Sur that Liz is slumming in

Josefa, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:41 (one year ago) link


Kael:

https://letterboxd.com/notpaulinekael/film/the-sandpiper🕸/

Seems to indicate that that is not Pauline Kael

St Etienne Is Real (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:47 (one year ago) link

It's Kael -- I remember the Taylor cupping-the-breasts line.

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:52 (one year ago) link

this movie is ridiculous and I have enjoyed it several times

Brad C., Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:54 (one year ago) link

It is the handle of someone on Letterboxd who has transcribed Kael's writing. xxp

Yes, Liz certainly has a nice wardrobe for a struggling artist and single parent. I could read Burton's mind: "Christ, these lines."

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:58 (one year ago) link

Charles Bronson stepped in as Cos the sculptor when Sammy Davis Jr had to bow out.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:59 (one year ago) link

That link above is weird though, it's sort of cut-and-pasted from Kael's review in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang but jumbled up and with new phrases added, such as "massive-headed Burton"

Josefa, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:59 (one year ago) link

I think she reworked her old reviews for the mini-reviews that made up the 5001 Nights at the Movies compilation (per the Letterboxd tag).

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 September 2018 15:02 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

Aug 12 71 the only time I get testy with E is when she has had a couple & has taken a pink pill..in conjunction with the booze gives her a kind of false euphoria & becomes sentimental & a reminiscent of her mother. Since her mother is the bore of all epochs this can be a bit hard

— Richard Burton (@BurtonDiaries) August 12, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 August 2019 21:10 (three months ago) link


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