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Well, what?

Alan Trewartha, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Haven't been excited by anything for a while. Have I missed anything?

Alan Trewartha, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Is [insert name here] rock?

mark s, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Taylor Parkes haf a rood website wot I dare not look at at wurk.

Sarah, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Quite so -- if you wish to investigate, avanti.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i kame doon from tha northrn wastes wiv bifta links tee mc stompin and thee geordie gabba mafia

a-33, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe there should be a moratorium on any discussions on any band that has appeared in any top ten most influential bands of all time list in NME, MOJO or Spin ever.

No more discussion of rock-crit staples like the stooges, mc5, beatles, big star, black sabbath, kraftwerk, ramones, stones, dylan, sex pistols, mbv, nirvana, carl craig, public enemy, Nuggets et al.

It could be like a Rock Critic Dogme experiment: instead of no artificial light, no references to bands that you've read about more than 50 times already.

Also no going off about how evil you think some artist is and then saying you've never listened to them unless you make this clear at the top of your argument.

fritz, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Believe me, I would *love* to remove all experience of RATM from my life, but I can't.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I posted a non-question about Van Halen last week.

jel --, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

we wondered about the convergence and divergence of trumpets and strings

Queen G approximatley, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i've always hated the dogme idea, and most of the films it's produced.

geeta, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a TRAP!!

mark s, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"From here you will witness the final destruction of the Alliance, and the end of your insignificant Rebellion"

jel --, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

NB: I'm feeling a little guilty about having written the crypto- fascist phrase "a moratorium on any discussion..." in any context, but hopefully it was clear that it wasn't meant entirely seriously - and the serious part of it was aimed as much at myself as anybody else.

fritz, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

also it's jess's job to issue the grouchy fatwahs

mark s, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Grouchy Fatwahs, C or D?

nickn, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Somehow I knew Jel would follow that up.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

CLASSIC.

(i have been a real grouch lately, yes.)

jess, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of us talked about Andrew WK.

Sean, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the past's been all used up

the new past is 'the present', complete with coverage of:
what's being released right this second!
live, on the scene reportage from the clubs!
who's on stage/decks this nanosecond!
interviews from practice rooms, jams, songwriter's homes!
micro-innovations, etc!
(then the impossibility of motion/time because of infinite increments between points)

so get to it! let's push things forward! mateys!

Paul, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

could sinkah summarise the influence thing.

Alan T, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

yes: it doesn't exist

mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ok. now could you expand on that summary? (Feel free to say "no")

Alan T, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

We need to add "ethan in drag" to the list.

bnw, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Alang to thread!

Jeff W, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

wot no kittenz? right, what's this "new ILM"?

Alan T, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't the old one bad enough? Kee-ripes.

Nicole, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Roughly speaking:

'Old ILM' = "people who talked about the bands I liked"

'New ILM' = "people who talk about the bands I don't like"

where 'I' is the person using the term. It's a 9/11 cultural upheaval thing.

Tom, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I really don't care if they talk about bands I like or not so long as the conversation is interesting. That doesn't happen often, but no less so than before - it's still always the occasional interesting thread, plus loads of unengaging stuff. I just think the old ILM was much more clubby and fraternal, now there's a lot more outsiders/relative newbies with different tastes.

Nicole, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'New ILM' = "people who talk about the bands I don't like"

I think the boring aspect of the "New ILM" = "people who talk about the bands they don't like (or know much about)". there seems to be a more "guilty until proven innocent" presumption than in the past - but I might just be overly aware as I'm making an effort to avoid this in my own thinking about music.

I agree with Nicole that it is less clubby and fraternal - which is a little uncomfortable at first but inevitable and not to be feared.

fritz, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked it when it was a clubby group of people that actually came to decisions/conclusions (or something) about threads, instead of just a load of random faceless disjointed "I like it"/"I don't"s which it;s become.

Graham, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's a good thing, but it hasn't led to a whole lot of interesting new ideas - yet.

Nicole, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Not that I can talk, but I consider myself more of a reader than a writer anyway.

Nicole, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

There also seems to be a lot more Socratic/Devil's Advocacy threads where one poster takes a radical position and defends it vs. a legion of orcs from all sides, whereas some older arguments had a tone more like a squabble between members of a fellowship.

fritz, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'Old ILM' = "people who talked about the bands I liked"

Ugh, sounds awful. Thank gawd I never met them.

Jeff W, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

fritz there is no such thing as "advocacy"

mark s, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean: "fritz there is no such thing as 'advocacy'"

the devil s, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Whatever do you mean, oh cryptic one? (as long as there is such thing as advocados, I am happy.)

fritz, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ILM is dire at the moment. Threads like ' what music would you pick your arse to ' or the endless mindless 'Tony Iommi vs Bernadette Nolan' variants make for grim reading. I like it best when there are 2 or 3 thought-provoking threads going on at once which I can participate in or just follow as a spectator. I don't really care what the threads are *about* , perhaps its WHO they draw in which defines them.

I don't agree with Tom's post above (and I don't understand the 9/11 comment). I'm not really that interested in talking about bands *I* like as being forced to think about music I like/dislike in a new way. The Pinefox is a master at that, and I wish he'd post more. Also using the collective knowledge out there as a sounding board to ask opinions - this largely still works.

There are some people who I wish would post more - Starry for one, also Stevie T and Marcello, and plenty I wish would post less. (Note that these are not people that I necessarily agree with - I just like what they say and the way they say it). Because of the age of the forum virtually 50% of the questions seem to have been asked before too. I guess there's no way to avoid that with newbies.

Anyway, I 'll stick around. I'm boring like that

Dr. C, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Do be fair, the ass-picking one was a joke.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sitting around and bitching vs. changing things by starting interesting threads or engaging in intelligent conversations.

bnw, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"ILM is dire at the moment. Threads like ' what music would you pick your arse to ' or the endless mindless 'Tony Iommi vs Bernadette Nolan' variants make for grim reading."
Just ignore it then. Instead of pouting start a thread. I am sure that some agree with you (that it is indeed grim reading). Instead of moaning, try and solve the *problem*. Board (boreds?) and mailing list are in constant flux. Just like life. It can't be always like you want it to be. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree. But then I don't agree either.

nathalie, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I recently discovered LUSENET, and I've enjoyed it much. I hope my posts aren't some of the shitty new ones. I try to be somewhat obscure/engaging. But, the ILM forum must be getting more hits if someone like me found it. Seems like there's quite the population of John Bulls here. Who are some of the "old" ILMers?

bryan, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

basically anyone who posted before jan. 1st 2002.

(this is largely a joke, but it's also true to an extent. the large influx of newbies seem to have arrived hot on the heels of the new year.)

i don't have a -problem- with ilm, per se. i think that'd be implying a sort of propriety/interest which might not be healthy to have in the first place. i -do- think the signal to noize ratio has been terrible lately (and despite what mr. there is no such thing as adovcacy sez above, even he's been playing devils adovacate for the sheer crush of new bytes every day.) part of this may be me, it may be the fact that i don't have much to say about music these days, that there's not much at the present moment which is really firing me up - either from a sheer listening standpoint or a broader social one. on the other, one more mtv is bad mmmkay? post and i'll be happy if greenspun goes down and never comes back. even the threads i've bothered to post to lately have been largely "buying guide" ones, cf. mogwai.

THAT SAID: there seem to be at least a couple threads per week which attempt to make up for it...ethan's psuedonymous "anne" thread for instance. the is ______ rock/pop/klezmer? threads are becoming numbing. (sorry, but it's true.)

jess, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Eek - my post above was a joke!

Tom, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

(i mean, i'm not gonna outright lie and say that ILM is better than ever, but if it was terminal, i wouldn't still be reading/skimming. i'm still more likely to side with the good doctor though. you lot really can be apologists sometimes.)

jess, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the LUSENET interface. It's simple and straightforward, no membership hassles, etc. Of the myriad garbage pop cult forums online, the ILM/ILE community is a pretty clever bunch. If you want to see idiocy just check yahoo . They're so appalling it's fascinating. Sort of like reading the Southern Poverty Law Center's monthly KlanWatch report. Anyhow, I used to check in at the warprecords site, but warpnet went down, so I stumbled into ILM by accident one day looking for a BoC forum. Glad to be here.

bryan, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's to do with the composition of the forum:

Aug 2000 - ILM started, attracts only existing Freaky Trigger readers.

Early 2001 - ILM starts showing up on Google. Momus sends half of alt.fan.momus onto the boards, widening range of regulars.

April 2001 - freakytrigger.com gets wiped out, leaving ILM without a central 'focus' so to speak.

June 2001 - ILE breaks away from ILM - some ILE users almost never post to ILM again. ILM becomes more purely 'music' based.

Later 2001 onwards - loads and loads of Googlers find boards, many stick around; Jay-Z/Nas thread; other sites link to ILM.

The change in ILM has been for better and worse. More Google people = a wider range of music interests (eg Bryan the BOC fan), because you get specialists in almost any style of music. But paradoxically the place starts looking more and more like any other Internet music message board, whatever 'identity' ILM had gets more diffuse.

In practise this means as Dr.C says a much higher noise level, fewer great threads - it also means though that some of the stuff I took for granted I've been forced to defend or think through more and that's a good thing.

I think if you'd asked me when I set up ILM what I'd have wanted it to be, I'd have said a community where any aspect of music can be looked at intelligently and open-mindedly, and where you get to hear surprising viewpoints. It surprises me less these days but I think it's still intelligent and open-minded.

The thing is that if there's a decline it's not the fault of new posters, it's partly the fault of the 'old hands' getting tired of making their arguments again and again and getting a bit lazy, tossing off one-liners to comments that 'back in the day' would have got a para or two. Well that's what's happened with me, anyway!

Tom, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

(ILM April 2002: 23 ppl have posted more than 100 messages, 0 of them are women.

ILE April 2002: 33 ppl have posted more than 100 messages, 8 of them are women.)

Tom, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The woman is the message.

N., Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the specific point when ilm started sucking is when i started posting and i apologize.

chaki, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the advocacy thing upthread was a joke (if there is no "influence" there what wd be the point of advocacy yada yada)
the "is it rock?" thing was sort of half a joke, half an experiment => ie there is a real something stuck in my subconscious (abt definitions and genre) that i wanted to quarry at, and haha i wanted you lot to do the work for me => it didn't really work, not least cuz i posted my answers at a weekend when no one else much cared or noticed (sorry, i am feeling a bit g.gossetish abt this i think: eg yr responses have shown me no RESPECT - when actually yr responses exactly reflect the miscuing of the original thread cluster)

i don't even slightly feel ilm is "dire" at the moment, tho i am a bit bored with being mr one-liner myself (and i suspect others are bored with this too: use other modes mark s)

mark s, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think a lot of potentially great threads taper off too soon, largely because they're not contentious enough. Not a diss on the provocative threads (I like 'em) but it's a bit of a shame that a lot of people are only motivated to elaborate on their ideas in an adversarial setting. eg. Jess's complaint that the Mogwai thread is essentially a 'buyer's guide' - it seems to take a lot to motivate people to move beyond this stage, or the basic classic/dud stage, and really grapple with the subject matter.

Tim, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the boring aspect of the "New ILM" = "people who talk about the bands they don't like (or know much about)".

I've started to censor myself somewhat to avoid this. There are many, many bands about which the only thing I have to say is: "I used to like them more, but I still like a few of their songs." Or "I used to like them, and then I stopped liking them. I've missed their last five or six albums." Why bother really?

DeRayMi, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think everybody is far too sensitive

dave q, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

How DARE you say that to me! *cries*

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ILE April 2002: 33 ppl have posted more than 100 messages, 8 of them are women.)
Okay, so it's us lot. ;-) You can actually be more specific. It's SexyMandi.

nathalie, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Shut up Dave!! I can't believe you mocked Lisa Lopes death! You FUCKING animal!!!

Veronica, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The one about brit pop in the USA is funny. And there is alot about robots, I almost wrote an essay on Robot Sexuality, but didn't know what the hell I was rambling on about.

jel --, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Rockism

the pinefox, Thursday, 24 April 2003 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Post-Rockism.

hstencil, Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Art-Rockism

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Neo-Killing-Joke-ism.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

And an unhealthy amount of Geirism.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Sting can't write lyrics for toffee shocka!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't remember what my non-question on van halen was about! How intriguing.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir has saved/ruined ILM. and its not as good as it used to be i.e. before i showed up.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The Justin Timberlake thread is fantastic.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 24 April 2003 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Not enough talk about Fishbone.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Was there ever?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course not! Nor will there ever be. < /crying>

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Why don't you rectify that, ya fool?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

*prepares to abuse moderator privileges disgracefully*

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Free cover CDs!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Guest moderators!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Coloured type!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

free poster of Dave Q!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Thread remixes by Moby and the Neptunes!

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Helltime Producto

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
i am doing a 'top tunes of 2003' poll on ILM - go here and then mail me your top 5 by a week on Wednesday please

stevem (blueski), Monday, 22 December 2003 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

seven years pass...
six years pass...

30 of the first 33 new answers on ILM today are by Turrican. O_o

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:19 (three years ago) link

stay off that amphetamine, kids!

calzino, Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:27 (three years ago) link

what will survive of us is challops

be the cringe you want to see in the world (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:35 (three years ago) link

Challopian tube

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:39 (three years ago) link

Yeah, just catching up. I can't be here every second of every day like some.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 12:29 (three years ago) link

Btw, if it's drug advice you're looking for, I hear Ross is an expert.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 15:55 (three years ago) link

You're an irredeemable turd

Week of Wonders (Ross), Saturday, 23 September 2017 17:08 (three years ago) link

Stick to drug opinions, mate.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 24 September 2017 05:24 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

so many fucking threads = fire up iTunes, enter search parameter, list

imago, Friday, 22 February 2019 12:53 (two years ago) link

I must admit that the sub-2 minute poll is a lot less interesting than I thought it would be

like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 22 February 2019 13:08 (two years ago) link

I guess a few of us are going to get The Sea Nymphs into the rundown which might make it all worth it

imago, Friday, 22 February 2019 13:10 (two years ago) link

Idk why with the short songs poll specifically people seem to feel the need to drop itunes.txt in a thread. Unless one really does believe the TEN BEST SHORT SONGS OF ALL TIME happen to be ten Naked City songs...

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 22 February 2019 13:14 (two years ago) link

I felt guilty about the amount I nominated but it turned out I was comparatively restrained! Would happily vote for anything I mentioned anyway

like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 22 February 2019 13:30 (two years ago) link

I'm sure plenty you nominated will.be on my ballot too tbh

imago, Friday, 22 February 2019 13:31 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

In Praise of Moody Midtempo AOR [Started by Josh in Chicago in December 2020, last updated one minute ago by Josh in Chicago on I Love Music] 178 new answers

vmic

imago, Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

for ILM, not for JiC, lol

imago, Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

i mean i like some of that music too, it is a good-natured observation

imago, Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:15 (three months ago) link

also very ILM that there is almost 200 posts in less than 24 hours

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 December 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link


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