Fringe (new JJ Abrams show) : Mad scientist, flesh eating virus, a cow and talks with the dead

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So this thing has just started and I cant seem to find a thread on it. Seeing as the Lost contingent is quite large on ilx, I would have thought that there would be much discussion about this new JJ Abrams show. As for me, the first episode has left me a bit underwhelmed. Which surprises me quite a bit seeing as there was indeed a mad scientist, flesh eating viruses, a cow and people questioning other dead people.

Jibe, Friday, 12 September 2008 19:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm going to keep watching, but it definitely wasn't as good as any of the shows it's aping.

polyphonic, Friday, 12 September 2008 20:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think it was discussed a bit on the lost thread, but i was thinking of starting a thread, too! thanks!

it was srsly underwhelming. i am just hoping that the pilot was laying the groundwork and things will get more interesting as it moves forward.

tehresa, Friday, 12 September 2008 20:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

yea a few of us did talk about it a bit on the Lost thread when the pre-air screener leaked a while back. consensus = nice visuals, decent cast but generally meh.

standalone episodes is a good idea though cause i'm getting a bit sick of heavily-serialized shows, but I don't know how they're going to keep that balance seeing that they're already introducing what seems like a fairly complicated Big Mystery Arc.

casino royale with cheese (Roz), Friday, 12 September 2008 20:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

Dreadful pilot, but I suppose it might get better. Loved the intro scene, and the "OMG DID HIS FACE JUST FALL OFF WTF GROSS" moment, but it went downhill straight after that. Pacey's fun but the lead lady is dead dull, and the old scientist dude really doesn't do it for me -- some dreadful "crazy" acting there.

Also surprising how close it seemed to be to the (much better) Alias pilot, what with the boyfriend getting offed, and the lead character discovering A WORLD BEYOND HER WORLD etc.

On the plus side:
** The way Daniels says "honey" = obvious attempt awesome to placate Wire nerds, but awesome anyway
** A friend of mine used to date her FBI partner, said he was a total dick, so it was fun watching him die horribly

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 12 September 2008 20:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

she is dull and i figured it's because she's australian trying to do an american accent that doesn't quite work and instead makes her sound affected. i have decided (gross generalization, i know) that australians are really bad at american accents. for a few years i thought naomi watts was a really horrible actor but i finally realized it was the accent (though i think hers has improved over the years).

yeah every time lance reddick showed up on screen i got a little squee. man, i miss the wire.

tehresa, Friday, 12 September 2008 20:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

I just started watching The Wire a few weeks ago and i'm already on season 5 now. so fucking good! why didn't anyone make me watch this before?

casino royale with cheese (Roz), Friday, 12 September 2008 21:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

Pacey's fun but the lead lady is dead dull, and the old scientist dude really doesn't do it for me -- some dreadful "crazy" acting there.

Weird, I thought the lady was great and Pacey was terrible, and scientist dude was fine for me. I couldn't stop thinking of him as Denethor, though.

polyphonic, Friday, 12 September 2008 21:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

JJ doesn't have a good track record for being the long-term showrunner, he's really ADD when it comes to storytelling.

Over/under on when Lance Reddick appears shirtless: episode 8.

Leee, Friday, 12 September 2008 21:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

I thought this was a good and entertaining program! I have to admit the main reason I watched it was bcz of the several-times-a-night ad on Coast to Coast AM. "We're having a FRINGE party!" Looks like YOU just invited the whole nation!"

Wasn't too crazy about...angry-looking Mr. Puffycheeks BUT I think he will get better. I thought it was really, really good for a PILOT. Has anyone ever seen a not-crappy pilot? (Twin Peaks fans are not allowed to say Twin Peaks pilot (man are they ever biased)). I didn't watch Futurama for years bcz I hated the first episode. That was stupid! They get all the origin story shit out of the way in a pilot. I wish shows beginned ned in media res, but it's America. What do you expect?

NB I have never seen any J.J. Abrams thing ever.

Abbott, Saturday, 13 September 2008 00:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

It was fun to make joeks about when the lady would turn into an ape & bust out of the tank. Also, "How do they drive down that ROAD when it has the word BOSTON floating around, blocking all the traffic?" That joke didn't even sustain the whole episode, but I had a hard time not making it & it will be a challenge in the future. I enjoy a bad running joke for about 70x longer than most humans.

Abbott, Saturday, 13 September 2008 00:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah that was a really bad graphic design/whatever choice.

tehresa, Saturday, 13 September 2008 00:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

I was glad they at least took a chance.

Abbott, Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Where are we here in Baghdad? The building under the giant capital letter Q."

Abbott, Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

Twin Peaks pilot r0x0rz though!! And wtf Futurama pilot did too u r taking wtf pills. Sports Night had a bang-up pilot, as did Freaks & Geeks.

Leee, Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

What did I say.

Abbott, Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

Something kinda wrong IIRC.

Leee, Saturday, 13 September 2008 03:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

They do that "look at this word on this beach" thingy on Heroes! except Fringe's is in 3D.

JJ doesn't have a good track record for being the long-term showrunner, he's really ADD when it comes to storytelling.

Yep. Abrams is great for starting ideas and he's a genuinely bankable name, so anything with him involved is practically guaranteed to get people on board. he's not the showrunner on Fringe - Jeff Pinker (exec producer/writer on Lost) is.

casino royale with cheese (Roz), Saturday, 13 September 2008 05:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

oops that would be Jeff PinkNer.

casino royale with cheese (Roz), Saturday, 13 September 2008 05:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

Weird, I thought the lady was great and Pacey was terrible, and scientist dude was fine for me.

Totally agreed. Oh, J.J. Abrams, when will you stop miscasting late 20s/early 30s-ish male leads? He seems to do great with older actors, but younger ones are totally hit and miss... (see: Cloverfield, Michael Vartan)

Show is kind of weak, but I'll give it some time, I guess. The other new show I've been watching, Sons of Anarchy, seems more promising so far.

Nhex, Saturday, 13 September 2008 05:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

how was cloverfield miscast?

s1ocki, Saturday, 13 September 2008 06:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

I know arguably you're not really supposed to like the actors, but I found them all pretty unbearable. Especially the ones you were "supposed" to root for in the end.

Nhex, Saturday, 13 September 2008 07:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'll give this show a couple more episodes, but it seems pretty nondescript in a Threshold sort of way.

More to the point, I liked this show better when it was on ten years ago and called The X-Files

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 13 September 2008 09:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

Fun Facts:

* Leading Lady is Rupert Murdoch's niece.
* Pilot cost $10.5 million.
* Ratings it got were a 6.6/10, which is not great at all... but next week it starts to follow "House," which rates very well.

Savannah Smiles, Saturday, 13 September 2008 09:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

I agree that the leading lady isn't all that great. Sometimes it felt like she was completely out of it. Mad scientist is ok, I just wish he had kept his beard all the time. I liked it when he was having a good time eating chinese, watching spongebob. The love interest to be between Bishop's son and leading girl felt a bit forced. I actually liked the 3d words floating around and was all giddy when the camera went through one of the O's in Boston.

Jibe, Saturday, 13 September 2008 10:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

freckle faced leading lady was hot, ok?

cutty, Saturday, 13 September 2008 14:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

She seems like a sweet person & I think, for TV, she's a totally decent actress.

Redhead bitch w/cyborg arm was bitchin'g, yes?

Abbott, Saturday, 13 September 2008 14:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

Leading lady sometimes reminded me of Cate Blanchett. She is hot, though there were a few shots of her where she looked weird. Bitch with cyborg arm was awesome. I really liked those bits, cyborg arm, see-through body...

Jibe, Saturday, 13 September 2008 16:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

Jibe except for your fondness for stupid 3D push-through letters (hello Alias again!!!!), we are of a mind.

Mad scientist is ok, I just wish he had kept his beard all the time.

YES!!

I liked it when he was having a good time eating chinese, watching spongebob.

OMG YES.

The love interest to be between Bishop's son and leading girl felt a bit forced.

Welcome to JJ Abrams' world!

More time needs to be spent on cyborg lady's assistant, i.e. her with the barely onscreen but nonetheless hueg rack.

Leee, Saturday, 13 September 2008 17:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

Never having seen Alias, I did not know that JJ was a fan of such stuff. Actually, I cant remember anything like it in Lost (except for the opening credits). My fondness for those silly letters arises from the fact that everytime the camera went through a letter I secretly hoped for it to crash INTO them. Forced love interests are indeed a typical Abrams fare (at least they are in Lost) but not from the first episode onwards!

Jibe, Saturday, 13 September 2008 18:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

Redhead bitch w/cyborg arm was bitchin'g, yes?

It's the lady from The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd. Am I the only person who remembers that show?

polyphonic, Saturday, 13 September 2008 18:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Walter Bishop definitely the best character on this show. LET'S MAKE SOME LSD! I love that he's basically playing the same deranged old dude he did in Lord of the Rings, only a FRINGE SCIENTIST instead of a STALWART STEWARD OF GONDOR.

BODY PROP (nickalicious), Saturday, 13 September 2008 19:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

I really didn't like the pilot when I saw it last week, but weirdly it's grown on me over the week. I'm actually sorta looking forward to it tonight. Is this usual with Abrams' stuff? It sucks during the watching, but you recollect it fondly later?

Mordy, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 08:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

is joshua jackson playing george clooney or what

gr8080 (max), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 01:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

Damn, how the hell did they get away with that gory shit, the surgeries, the eyeball (UGH), on public TV? I was seriously turned off by it. The rest of the episode was okay, I guess.

Nhex, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 02:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

Didn't seem any more graphic than any given House episode.

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 02:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

the eyeball was totally loltastic

lol (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 02:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

This was awful. First episode wasn't great or anything, but it wasn't this bad. I don't even mind the clunky-as-fuck exposition of the first 5 minutes. The dream-sequence pregnancy thing? Yeah, I saw Aliens. The last image from the eye? I saw Wild Wild West too.

Felt like they were already out of ideas.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 03:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

That played-out jaded horseshit stance where folks show off that they've watched movies and TV shows and read books and remember things from them and act like hot shit when they find these things in other movies / shows / books? Yeah, I liked it better when they didn't share.

David R., Wednesday, 17 September 2008 03:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

Expected Chris Carter, got Joss Whedon.

Kerm, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 03:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Clearly, I really will watch Lance Riddick in anything.

rogermexico., Wednesday, 17 September 2008 04:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Lance is class.

xxpost

I'm not one for "I've seen this done elsewhere", nor do I think calling back upon Wild Wild West is anyway anyone can consider themselves hot shit. The point is really that a writer (or writers) should do well enough for someone not to notice. The eye thing has been done many, many times before, and it is usually a pretty cheap trick when someone's written themselves into a hole/can't be bothered to come up with something better. And the Aliens gag was weak.

I think I just find the world they've set up to be jarring and inconsistent. I don't mind being derivative, certainly not of genre tropes in a genre show, but they've got to help the viewers a bit. If you want to make a campy sci-fi/horror show, then do it. If you want a scary, serious thriller, then do that. There is no sense of humour in this show as far as I can tell, unless the cow thing was meant to be funny.

Kerm OTM, but at least Whedon seemed to have a sense of humour. He would willingly acknowledge from the get-go that the Hellmouth and Willow's hacking abilities was just an easy out for the writers, who were more interested in character anyway. I was hoping for a quality X-files deal, and I'll take a campy paranoid fantasy in its stead, but I can't be bothered with some inconsistent series aiming for somewhere in the middle, especially when it's as dull as this one.

I think I'm just disappointed, really. Hopefully it will get better, but I'm worried that it feels like they ran out of ideas in the second episode. Sorry if I offended you David R.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 06:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

for the record, other than the seatwarmer gag I'm really really failing to see the whedon in this.

rogermexico., Wednesday, 17 September 2008 07:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

Didn't seem any more graphic than any given House episode.

I don't watch House, can't stand that show for a number of reasons that aren't worth getting into here. But just the level of violence reminded me again how absurd the censorship standards are here in the US - a hint of a bare ass or nipple or a curse word is unfathomable, yet nobody blinks an eye at the realistic cadavers and gore in shows like this or CSI?

Still dig Blair Brown, Lance Reddick and John Noble, but the other actors still have a ways to go. The pilot already lowered my expectations about the monster-of-the-week plots, I agree with the mediocrity as Gukbe describes.

Nhex, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 07:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

Definitely neither Chris Carter nor Joss Whedon. The former had really sharp character work every episode and the latter had a sense of humor. I think what really disappoints me the most is the female protagonist. I can't even remember her name she's so unmemorable. I don't know if she's just getting awful writing from the writers, or she's just a poor actress.

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 07:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

they really fucked themselves by starting this show off admitting there's a "pattern" to all of these things. oh, and the old guy just happened to work on anything involved in the pattern. magic computer can tell you EXACTLY where magic photo from dead girl's eye was taken. there weren't enough machinas in this episode for deuseses to be ex-ing from.

REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

HOWEVER, i am still giving it a shot. but along with house tonight, this was kinda like fox's "ugh, come on, no way" tuesday.

REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

I actually liked House tonight. But I don't think I've ever seen a House ep that I didn't enjoy.

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

The point is really that a writer (or writers) should do well enough for someone not to notice. The eye thing has been done many, many times before, and it is usually a pretty cheap trick when someone's written themselves into a hole/can't be bothered to come up with something better. And the Aliens gag was weak.

As you might've gathered, it didn't really chafe me quite as much, tho I can't recall the eye thing being done before, and you can't really do a pregnancy "gag" without inadvertently referencing "Aliens". But to each their own -- I've got plenty of reservations about this thing (including my fear that it's going to resort to having a WACKY SCIENCE GIMMICK for every episode) (oooh do cold fusion next!), but I'm not not enjoying it. One request, tho (since the show makers are of course reading this): more Kirk Acevedo.

BTW, Gubke, sorry for getting pissy w/ my earlier comment. (I blame the internet.)

David R., Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

They Macgyver defibrillator bit was just ridiculous.

I'm right right and you're wrong left (Susan), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yes he was, AMC as a matter of fact

latebloomer, Thursday, 15 August 2013 18:32 (five years ago) Permalink

Ok, so the final stretch of eps was on Netflix for about a week and now they're gone. What gives?

latebloomer, Thursday, 15 August 2013 18:34 (five years ago) Permalink

ha

President Keyes, Thursday, 15 August 2013 18:38 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

One of my faves is still the Peter Weller time travel one. Writers must have thought so, too, with the callback it got

― mh, Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:09 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

found myself thinking abt this guy the other day, figured it meant i should re-screen from day 1

j., Monday, 13 October 2014 00:38 (four years ago) Permalink

I've been thinking about this show lately and how unfairly expensive getting all the seasons on BR/DVD is. Is there a whole-series box in the works/available?

cichleee suite (Leee), Monday, 13 October 2014 01:56 (four years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Wow~~~~

khaleeesi (Leee), Monday, 10 November 2014 18:30 (three years ago) Permalink

huh, well, it's all on streaming services now, do I justify it by saying that might not always be the case and there's the small possibility I'd watch some extras/commentary?

jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Monday, 10 November 2014 19:24 (three years ago) Permalink

I started watching last week and I'm now halfway season 2 - so far, I'd say no, the DVD's aren't worth it for the extra material. It's mostly "look at this one scene, aren't our stunt/FX guys/writers the greatest?", some cut scenes that only make you think, yeah, that wasn't necessary for the story at all, and a gag reel that's just like all other gag reels ever.

Meanwhile, Season 1 was great - it all ties together, but Season 2 is, right now, kinda disappointing in an X-Files kind of way (they've started with these monster/virus/ghost-of-the-week episodes that don't have any connection to the main story arc anymore and while these are ok in a character development sense, it's very meh because I want to know what's going on with the bigger story right now.)

StanM, Saturday, 15 November 2014 12:13 (three years ago) Permalink

but about what I said: YMMV, obviously:

The best episodes were those that fleshed out characters while doing a solid monster of the week

― mh, Monday, January 21, 2013 3:09 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

StanM, Saturday, 15 November 2014 12:24 (three years ago) Permalink

Have you seen the series before, Stan? Because my reaction (and I think most viewers') have reversed the season 1/season 2 preferences.

I ordered the set, just so I can bawl over watch "White Tulip" a billion times.

khaleeesi (Leee), Sunday, 16 November 2014 20:12 (three years ago) Permalink

No, I hadn't seen any of it. At the start of season 3 now, intrigued + happy that everything seems to revolve around the main story arc(s) again.

Season two, I just don't know, it felt like they were unprepared for the renewal (let's stretch/delay telling Peter his big secret for 12 episodes and throw in a couple of musical/40s noir/monster episodes that don't have any connection to the main story line at all to fill the season).

I felt the same about the x-files sometimes. Even though those sewer worm dude/Scully gets a tattoo type episodes can be nice, I wanted to know what was going on with Mulder's sister, the black oil thing, the shape-shifting bounty hunters, the super soldier stuff, etc)

StanM, Sunday, 16 November 2014 20:59 (three years ago) Permalink

So you're the one who wanted to know about the Super Soldiers

ILoveMeconium (President Keyes), Sunday, 16 November 2014 21:03 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't remember how/if it all tied together it the end though, in X-Files. I may have to rewatch the whole ten seasons again one day, I guess. I hope Fringe takes the story in fewer unresolved directions :-/

StanM, Sunday, 16 November 2014 21:07 (three years ago) Permalink

lol xp

jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Sunday, 16 November 2014 21:08 (three years ago) Permalink

I think there are a couple threads that don't quite make sense due to change in plot direction, but it wraps up pretty well. It's a story about family, in the end, which is kind of where it starts going by the point you're at.

jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Sunday, 16 November 2014 21:09 (three years ago) Permalink

It's funny how everybody in the Fringe team seems to have forgotten about the talking to the dead thing, that could have helped them solve quite a lot of their cases imho.

StanM, Sunday, 16 November 2014 21:44 (three years ago) Permalink

... and how is there only one alternate universe, after Walter explains how it splits up with each decision we make, there surely must be an infinite number of them? I know, I know, don't question, just watch.

StanM, Sunday, 16 November 2014 21:58 (three years ago) Permalink

pretty sure there are more than one. That just happened to be the one Walter snatched a Peter from.

ILoveMeconium (President Keyes), Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

and it fucked up the border between the two

(SPOILERS)
there has to be a third they collided with where Walter and Peter time travelled and hid the machine in the past

jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:34 (three years ago) Permalink

I think there are about a half-dozen universes explored during the show, but a lot of them are in the last couple of seasons? reallyw as a good show, on balance kinda wish i could go back and watch it again for the first time. season 3 and 5 i think especially. walternate was so great.

moonstone (soda), Sunday, 16 November 2014 23:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Just starting season 5. Seasons 3 & 4 were really really great, but now I'm surprised at not caring about 2036 dystopian blade runner chinatown underworld resistance zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I'm about 15 minutes into the first episode and I just switched it off. Not sure I even want to see the rest.

StanM, Sunday, 30 November 2014 10:57 (three years ago) Permalink

It's not worth it, no. Consider how bad everything Kurtzman & Orci do is, it's amazing they pulled off season 3. And season 4 could have been good if the writers didn't have to work with that stupid cliffhanger.

abanana, Sunday, 30 November 2014 11:18 (three years ago) Permalink

given any investment in the rest of the series, i thought season 5 ended up wrapping up things ok, all told. it does end up drawing you in within a few episodes.

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Sunday, 30 November 2014 20:07 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

About halfway through S1, I hope Walter remains this awesome

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 29 March 2015 07:02 (three years ago) Permalink

He does!

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 29 March 2015 09:14 (three years ago) Permalink

Easily the best character on the show

Roz, Sunday, 29 March 2015 10:49 (three years ago) Permalink

otm

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 29 March 2015 14:08 (three years ago) Permalink

I was thinking recently about a certain issue of the show but don't dare discuss while milo's watching it.

A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Sunday, 29 March 2015 22:48 (three years ago) Permalink

Spoil away, I was the kid who read the last pages of a book first.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 29 March 2015 23:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Which one's Charlie and which one's Algernon?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 30 March 2015 00:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh I was just going to remark on how we all hated Fauxlive at first, but then she became so much better because we found out how boring Olivia was.

A-Hanisi Coates (Leee), Monday, 30 March 2015 00:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha I just remember Oleonardia Nimoy

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 30 March 2015 00:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Remembered

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 30 March 2015 00:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Fauxlivia's bangs 4 eva

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 March 2015 01:00 (three years ago) Permalink

oh wow, didn't realize that my #1 celeb crush (Ari Graynor) was Olivia's sister until the Evil Spam Popup episode.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 30 March 2015 01:02 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm having my own oh wow btw - THIS guy

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ywu98n.jpg

is NOT the same as this guy (from Taken, the Spielberg mini series)

http://i61.tinypic.com/bguxab.jpg

StanM, Monday, 30 March 2015 13:38 (three years ago) Permalink

second guy is the 4400 guy right?

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 30 March 2015 14:10 (three years ago) Permalink

and first guy is Human Target?

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 30 March 2015 14:10 (three years ago) Permalink

2 x yes

StanM, Monday, 30 March 2015 14:11 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Did they ever have any accidents with those giant letters? Would think you might hear about them falling on someone in a bizarre show related accident.

Just watched things through from series 3, which means I saw half of that season and the next two for the first time.
Season 5 does look a bit tacked on and might have been better as being something else. It's not as execrable as I've seen it made out, not quite but I don't think it's where i'd want to leave the series.

Gone back to watching the first 2 seasons since I haven't seen them since around 2008, or whenever I managed to get hold of them. & certainly never saw them on a full sized tv since I was using a portable for a long period.
Seeing weird echoes after seeing the later stuff first. Wondering if they had thought about the later usage of ideas as part of the development of earlier ones or if they were takes on things that came to them later.

Stevolende, Friday, 24 July 2015 13:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Fringe almost refreshingly seemed like a show where they had not really thought things out

Except that the final season fell a bit into the Lost trap of probably being some idea JJ Abrams came up with when they were writing the show bible, and the show runners felt they had to stick to it or face the "OMG are they just making this up as they go along!" fan reaction.

Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Friday, 24 July 2015 13:52 (three years ago) Permalink

I just watched an extra thing presumably from the dvd for season 5 where they talked about trying to make sure there was some level of feasible science behind ideas in the show.

Also saw another where they were talking about maybe doing a film in a couple of years, which I don't think I've heard anything about.

& can think about at least one great glitch in the thinking at the end of the series that would be very central to the whole story but better not go into that if other people haven't got that far yet. Probably find out it's already been talked about at the time of the tv showing though.

Stevolende, Friday, 24 July 2015 14:10 (three years ago) Permalink

you should talk about it--just say "Spoiler Alert for Show that Ended Years Ago" at the beginning

Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Friday, 24 July 2015 14:16 (three years ago) Permalink

OK, spoiler alert.

Whence Peter if they've just erased the situation that allowed Peter to be saved from drowning. & therefore there was never a September?
Or is it that with no September there was no September accidentally preventing Walternate from saving his son, in which case Walter presumably wouldn't have taken him over to the main Earth in the first place. September was about the first Observer to arrive, not sure exactly what happened in 1987. & I didn't notice anything saving the Earth 1 Peter
subsequently the point they looped back to at the end of the series was not one they could have got to was it?

Stevolende, Friday, 24 July 2015 14:22 (three years ago) Permalink

that's an interesting question. I think itt we had given up on trying to follow the time logic as it seemed the show had its own idea of causation and whether events in the past caused by people traveling back from the future would still have happened if those future people never traveled back...

Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Friday, 24 July 2015 15:02 (three years ago) Permalink

I just found out that when Olivia's lover is a see through catatonic in the early episodes it's actually the genuine actor. Would've thought they 'd just use a dummy. Surprised by that

Stevolende, Thursday, 30 July 2015 16:54 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I've been copying Fringe episodes to my media center computer and was skimming through them to make sure I had them labeled correctly when I had to pause, because wait, is that a future princess of England shooting a guy in the chest?!

I'd completely forgotten she has a brief appearance in this series

mh, Monday, 12 February 2018 18:54 (eight months ago) Permalink


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