Golf - Classic or Dud?

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...though the new Polo is a sexy car...

Ho HO! No, of course I mean the game with sticks and balls and wanky shoes. Do we like it? It gets a very bad press, but does it deserve it? Or is it just 99% of the playas who are twats? Tell me, goddamit!

Mark C, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Or: the patronisation of Arnold Palmer. Sends a chill down my spine.

Mark C, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

does it get bad press? A couple of years ago the guys from work got me into playing. Now I have a new job w/ no golfers so I haven't played in a while. It can be a lot of fun. Classic = the game itself, best found on municipal courses. Dud = country club culture and its whitey tightey rules and regulations. Classic = golf carts, even though one of the nice things about the game is taking a nice walk!

Ron, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

so dud it's beyond courtney's slit dud

Queen G, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

classic because of CADDYSHACK!!

mark s, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Pretty much classic, although I don't play.

Ally C, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

"A good walk spoiled" - Mark Twain. He was right.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

But wasn't there a film about golf starring Kevin Costner?

To watch it is tres boring, to play, I should suspect it would be entertaining for an afternoon.

jel --, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I would love to really learn how to golf. I'm already a decent putter, it's just that I can't drive a ball further than 75 yards.

Dan Perry, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

the essence of golf's spirituality = personal failure, the precondition for any good game, so in that sense it's classic. it's just a shame about the culture; it seems predicated on fratboy chop-busting and stupid comments (innate response to feelings of inadequacy?).

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, if you've ever played with a group of 40-50 yr old "golfers" you definitely get that broomfucking vibe.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

John Updike loves it and writes abt it = Dud!

Andrew L, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

writing comments and equating them to dud=classic!

Ron, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

man, golf is fucking rocking man, lysergic landscapes, soothing lulling banal commentary, total wackoworld, bring on the calcavecchia dudes. look, right, you've never been at home on a sat/sun daytime, day after a big night, whether its hangover or comedown, you got something more perfect than some golf for that shit? i don't believe you, you know

gareth, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

There a breathtaking passage about golf in Rabbit Run. And Wodehouse loved it and wrote about it, which I'm sure =Dud for Andrew L but =Classic for me.

And loathe as I am to disagree with Mark S, Caddyshack's greatness is surely despite the golf stuff, not because of it. (This is also true of the qualities of Updike and Wodehouse on the subject.)

I've always associated it with appalingly-dressed middle-aged upper- middle-class white racists not letting Jews or black people into their stupid fucking clubs. How much dudder could anything get?

Crazy golf=Classic, however. Despite Andrew L injuring me once while playing it!

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
Definitely not the most boring spectator's sport. In fact probably my joint third favourite along with football.

naked as sin (naked as sin), Friday, 10 January 2003 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

miniature (aka "goofy" aka "putt putt") golf = so classic i can't even begin to explain.

gygax!, Friday, 10 January 2003 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

spencer levin just dropkicked his hat after a bogey on pga tour

johnny crunch, Saturday, 2 July 2011 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

finally managed to break 80

78 on my local par 70 course. worked it out too: I only took 28 (!!) putts. if I had any game from tee to green I would've torn it up

black swag (cozen), Monday, 22 August 2011 20:08 (ten years ago) link

shot 85 (11+) at a par 74/6500 yd course in troon today in the howling wind. jack nicklaus shot 82 here at the height of his powers in 1966 so I'm chuffed with that - especially considering it included a horrendous 6 at a par 3 (hit from bunker to bunker) and two careless doubles

god hates frogbs (cozen), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:28 (ten years ago) link

There are occasional links courses in the States, sort of as a novelty -- are there many US style parkland courses in the British Isles?

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:36 (ten years ago) link

the types of courses you tend to get are: links, parkland, heathland/moorland, hillside

imagine the parkland courses we have here aren't quite as ~lush~ but they are still green, with soily turf. much prefer links. hate hillside courses

god hates frogbs (cozen), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:40 (ten years ago) link

my local course (inland, just out of the city) is a typical parkland course

god hates frogbs (cozen), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:42 (ten years ago) link

there are no desert courses in britain iirc ;)

god hates frogbs (cozen), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:44 (ten years ago) link

That would be a novelty course. It wouldn't be hard to simulate the terrain, though! Just the temperatures.

I played Lake Shastina once in far northern California, a bit north of Mount Shasta. The front was parkland, with a lot of changes in elevation, but the back nine was links-ish, very flat, few trees, and with a neverending wind blowing down from Shasta. A real test of club selection, with long holes into the wind, short holes with the wind behind you, and vice versa. A really really fun course.

Halal Spaceboy (WmC), Sunday, 28 August 2011 18:55 (ten years ago) link

played the work's golf day today... 3rd out of 12, playing off 12. gutted though, out in +4 (39) but junked it on the second nine carding a 47 (+12)

not fussed about winning but annoyed about shitting up my card on the back 9, especially when the back 9 was quite a bit easier all-told. lost concentration/energy or something. was playing with the CEO and getting no chat... all game-face. not ideal, sometimes you want a bit of banter to take your mind off the golf in-between shots

punk'd um (cozen), Sunday, 4 September 2011 16:58 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

p crazy mahan vs jay haas in a playoff - winner gets tour champ title & fed ex cup ($10 mil)

johnny crunch, Sunday, 25 September 2011 21:52 (ten years ago) link

loser prob also does p ok for themselves so not as wildly dramatic as it perhaps could be

johnny crunch, Sunday, 25 September 2011 21:53 (ten years ago) link

runner up in the fed ex cup "only gets" $700k!

johnny crunch, Sunday, 25 September 2011 21:57 (ten years ago) link

both make great pars on 18

johnny crunch, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:06 (ten years ago) link

unbelievable par save out of shallow water by haas on 17

johnny crunch, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:23 (ten years ago) link

lol @ me calling him jay; bill haas obv, & he won; that water shot was f'in crazy

johnny crunch, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:34 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

first round of the year

anyone seen my shoes

til the power failure (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 January 2012 12:34 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

let's do this

༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Thursday, 5 April 2012 23:56 (ten years ago) link

Henrik Stenson hacking up the 18th was horrifying/amusing y'day.

pandemic, Friday, 6 April 2012 06:37 (ten years ago) link

i *wish* id've seen that

phil having like 50 ppl help try to find his wayward drive on 10 (i think) was a trip. good on him to get back to +2 after all that

johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 11:04 (ten years ago) link

Stenson's 18th hole
1- 3W duck hook into trees left and short of fairway.
2- Half topped attempted 40 yard bump under and through trees back to fairway (ended up 5 yards short of fairway in woodchip spectator walkway
3-Long iron to the green topped about 120 yards
4-Straight at pin but overshoots the green maybe 10 yards
5-Chip fails to make the green
6- Putt from the fringe 6 feet beyond cup
7-Miss
8-Holed

Some of the driving y'day was just appalling, like 40-50 yards off line (I'm looking at you Phil/Tiger)

pandemic, Friday, 6 April 2012 11:39 (ten years ago) link

damn wanted 2 see tiger hit there & fall into the creek on #13

johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 21:43 (ten years ago) link

faldo "i think we can officially say tiger has lost his game......and his mind"

johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2012 22:35 (ten years ago) link

faldo otm

sonderangerbot, Friday, 6 April 2012 22:37 (ten years ago) link

yeah he's just straight casting right now, it's bizarre

recent thug (k3vin k.), Friday, 6 April 2012 22:45 (ten years ago) link

loving the woods meltdown

hope he bogeys every hole for the next two days

༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Friday, 6 April 2012 23:08 (ten years ago) link

god, he just left a 7 iron 20 yards short

recent thug (k3vin k.), Friday, 6 April 2012 23:17 (ten years ago) link

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12277
nantz gets so worked up & self important here its ridic

johnny crunch, Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:38 (ten years ago) link

I find it incredible that Woods got around in 75 y'day. He was so terrible an 85 seemed more fitting.

pandemic, Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:17 (ten years ago) link

my dad has 20 quid on dufner at 150-1.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:27 (ten years ago) link

To win? Or top 5? I guess 150-1 must be to win. Dufner seems like a chill dude, kinda completely unassuming.

In order of preference I'd like to see Sergio, Freddie, Rory, Miguel win.

pandemic, Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:32 (ten years ago) link

don't think he has it ew, not sure though. he texts me his bets during every major golf tournament, love it!

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:35 (ten years ago) link

sergio & rory **hugglez**

johnny crunch, Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:18 (ten years ago) link

every time i see bubba watson i feel a little uncomfortable

call all destroyer, Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:29 (ten years ago) link

Birdie Mickelson - two ahead!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 15:58 (eight years ago) link

Westwood falls short for another par

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:02 (eight years ago) link

If Mickelson doesn't drop a shot then I think that will be it actually.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:04 (eight years ago) link

Man I love watching Tiger - no one believes he can do anything in the last afternoon of a major, not least himself.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:05 (eight years ago) link

Another anaemic putt by Scott - at least not the meltdown of last year.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:06 (eight years ago) link

wow! Mickelson misses the bunker - great bounce but hes played great!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:08 (eight years ago) link

lol @ drop in the bunker for Tiger - this man provides joy in awful times.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:11 (eight years ago) link

Your Tiger hate is intense.

clemenza, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:13 (eight years ago) link

Birdie for Mickelson!!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:13 (eight years ago) link

yeah i know, ws gonna say sorry clemenza but...y'know..

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:14 (eight years ago) link

Mickelson winning this would be incredible

frogbs, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:14 (eight years ago) link

that was some immaculate sunday golf

call all destroyer, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:14 (eight years ago) link

And Westwood misses by a whisker. three behind, another major slips by!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:15 (eight years ago) link

yea 66 not bad

johnny crunch, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:15 (eight years ago) link

66 on a Sunday in an Open (either one) to come from behind, I wonder how many times that's been done. Fewer than 10, I bet.

clemenza, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:18 (eight years ago) link

Especially after the disappointment of the US open, its pretty special.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:19 (eight years ago) link

next yrs us open is @ pinehurst, where phil has 1 of his 2nds (99 to payne stewart)

johnny crunch, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:36 (eight years ago) link

career grand slam would be p. sick

call all destroyer, Sunday, 21 July 2013 16:39 (eight years ago) link

Lee Westwood just makes me sad.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 21 July 2013 17:04 (eight years ago) link

Breaks me up everytime.. :-(

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 17:05 (eight years ago) link

For the record: a *deep breath* first-time kind of gem from Peter Alliss: *ball hits the fairway and pulls back*..."oh that's bad"...*pulls back* "oh that's horrid"...*pulls back some more*"oh that's 'write-your-letter-to-the-Times' bad".

I didn't want to smash my TV anyway..

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2013 17:36 (eight years ago) link

I know Tiger usually owns this course but he's two pars away from a 59 right now

frogbs, Friday, 2 August 2013 20:34 (eight years ago) link

oops that isn't accurate - he needs to birdie 18

frogbs, Friday, 2 August 2013 20:37 (eight years ago) link

crazy round. that par on 18 was amazing.

lipitor retriever (brownie), Friday, 2 August 2013 22:16 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

hot take: golf is a lot more exciting when tiger is playing

k3vin k., Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:20 (five years ago) link

he is imploding rn tho :(

k3vin k., Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:20 (five years ago) link

smh tiger

k3vin k., Thursday, 1 December 2016 20:48 (five years ago) link

wow he was -3 when I last checked

frogbs, Thursday, 1 December 2016 21:01 (five years ago) link

YOOOO

k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:25 (five years ago) link

matsuyama balling. tiger balling.

k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:25 (five years ago) link

matsuyama is -71 over his past 4 tournaments

k3vin k., Saturday, 3 December 2016 19:54 (five years ago) link

tiger sucking now

k3vin k., Sunday, 4 December 2016 17:37 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

When you give no fucks

John Daly is 56-years-old and currently tied for the lead at the PGA Championship. Legend. pic.twitter.com/6T4RFVj2me

— Joe Pompliano (@JoePompliano) May 19, 2022

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 May 2022 15:01 (one month ago) link

John Daly was at +100000 to win the PGA Championship — that means a $10 bet would pay $10,000 😂

And yes, I know he's only through 7 holes. It's still awesome.

— Joe Pompliano (@JoePompliano) May 19, 2022

wonder how much money he's got on himself :)

frogbs, Thursday, 19 May 2022 15:05 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Amazing piece, especially as the UK and parts of the US state attack and deny trans and abortion rights.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2022/jun/11/in-their-naked-self-interest-liv-golfers-are-being-refreshingly-true-to-the-sports-roots

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 June 2022 08:41 (three weeks ago) link

* not the UK for abortion but certainly The Guardian UK publishes anti-trans rhetoric day and night. I wouldn't be all high and mighty about Saudi's crimes without a hint of reflection as to where that's coming from.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 June 2022 08:43 (three weeks ago) link

Looks like an exciting finish at the US open

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 19 June 2022 22:43 (one week ago) link

huge fucking DUD, at least croquet has flamingos

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 19 June 2022 23:29 (one week ago) link

that

oscar bravo, Monday, 20 June 2022 19:34 (one week ago) link

was a great finish. so happy for Matt Fitzpatrick. Only missing 1 green in reg in the final round is some playing. scheffler and zalatoris were good. rahm was terrible.

oscar bravo, Monday, 20 June 2022 19:37 (one week ago) link

i thought wills put on 18 was good as soon as it left the putter. matts shot out of the sand is an all timer

Spottie, Monday, 20 June 2022 19:41 (one week ago) link

that 60 foot putt that fitzpatrick made earlier on was also pretty spectacular

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Monday, 20 June 2022 19:43 (one week ago) link

*48 foot

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Monday, 20 June 2022 19:44 (one week ago) link

yea crazy to put himself in that position in the sand on 18…. in his interview after winning he said the shot he had to least confidence in overall was a bunker long iron shot… good on him to pull it off

johnny crunch, Monday, 20 June 2022 20:16 (one week ago) link

also hat tip to schlefflers front nine especially the approach to #1 out of the divot, great attitude and execution.

oscar bravo, Monday, 20 June 2022 20:18 (one week ago) link

felt like the whole tournament was scotties to lose and he lost it on holes 10-14 on sat/sun. especially Saturday.

Spottie, Monday, 20 June 2022 20:35 (one week ago) link

i thought wills put on 18 was good as soon as it left the putter.

Couldn't believe when it didn't go in...I didn't watch much, but the last few holes were great.

clemenza, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 13:43 (one week ago) link

bye bye brooksy

rumors that xander and (gasp) morikawa are next

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 15:56 (one week ago) link

lets keep the golf chat to one thread

Golf - classic or dud

Spottie, Saturday, 25 June 2022 23:49 (one week ago) link

Agree--maybe a moderator could lock this one.

clemenza, Saturday, 25 June 2022 23:51 (one week ago) link


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