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Texas auteur, former high school quarterback, possibly a 9/11 conspiracy nut, Eric Rohmer fan

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Dazed and Confused (1993) 17
Slacker (1991) 11
Before Sunrise (1995) 5
Before Sunset (2004) 4
The School of Rock (2003) 4
Waking Life (2001) 4
A Scanner Darkly (2006) 3
Tape (2001) 2
It's Impossible to Learn to Plow by Reading Books (1988) 1
Fast Food Nation (2006) 1
SubUrbia (1996) 0
The Newton Boys (1998) 0
Bad News Bears (2005) 0
Woodshock (1985)0


milo z, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link

a very erratic filmmaker but always dear to my heart for A Scanner Darkly and Dazed and Confused

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

wow this is kinda tough.

guess I'll go with before sunset, edging out dazed.

ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link

He's only gotten erratic lately actually. This is tough. There are a lot of good movies on this list, but there isn't one that just pops out at me as okay that's the BEST.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Can safely eliminate FFN, WL, BNB though.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Slacker. or,

slacker

wanko ergo sum, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link

he achieved everything he couldve wanted to with dazed & confused & he'd probably admit as much under influence of truth serum

deeznuts, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I wish they'd release subUrbia out on DVD.

milo z, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link

i kinda wish he had ended up doing Friday Night Lights.

ryan, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link

wow i really dont like most of his movies. never seen them all in a list together like that but ugh, just not for me.

BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

ok with the exception of SubUrbia, which i have a bizarre soft spot for.

BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

A few years ago I would have called him my favorite working director (because of Dazed and the Before movies, mostly), but I just don't have much interest in seeing whatever he comes out with now.

milo z, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link

i wrote a chapter about him a few years ago and limited it to his original screenplays, which makes him seem a lot more coherent. (i included scanner darkly because he adapted it by himself and i think the finished thing feels very linklater-y in its methods and content.) anyway, i think dazed and confused really is his best. i really like the sunrise/sunset movies, and slacker and waking life have a bunch of great moments. scanner darkly is kind of a mess, but the woody harrelson/robert downey jr. scenes are good. woodshock is pretty entertaining, but it's impossible to learn to plow... is a great big student-film bore.

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 24 July 2008 01:40 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.popmatters.com/images/film_art/s/slacker.jpg

gr8080, Thursday, 24 July 2008 01:45 (fifteen years ago) link

dazed and confused, but i love sunrise/sunset.

horseshoe, Thursday, 24 July 2008 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Haven't seen some of the well-thought of ones here (Waking Life, Before Sunset) but look, barely anybody ELSE has ever made a movie as good as Dazed and Confused so I figure Linklater hasn't either.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 24 July 2008 05:21 (fifteen years ago) link

i think the politics of dazed and confused get overlooked a little, it tends to get talked about like it's just a feel-good period piece. it's really about that moment, the total collapse of authority in america, the particular kind of freedom it promised, the reactionary pushback. all in 24 hours.

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 24 July 2008 05:33 (fifteen years ago) link

you just convinced me that I need to rewatch it.

sleeve, Thursday, 24 July 2008 05:36 (fifteen years ago) link

it's also about that gto easing into the parking lot and "sweet emotion"...

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 24 July 2008 05:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, and how many times the one kid touches his brow in the course of that one single scene.

kingfish, Thursday, 24 July 2008 05:39 (fifteen years ago) link

dazed & confused, slacker, the before movies, all pretty much untouchable. school of rock quite good. scanner darkly major letdown and pretty lame. bad news bears and everything else pretty much whatever. but fast food nation i liked a lot.

s1ocki, Thursday, 24 July 2008 05:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Tape is as good as Waking Life is terrible.

Nhex, Thursday, 24 July 2008 05:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm torn in great part between D&C and Waking Life and Slacker on historical grounds but actually my vote is going toward underdog School of Rock on behalf of the rare category of Favorite Movies My Son And I Share.

nickalicious, Thursday, 24 July 2008 05:58 (fifteen years ago) link

fast food nation i liked a lot.

it was better than i expected. the immigrant storyline was really good, i sort of wish the whole movie had been that. the anomic high school kids and morally conflicted corporate lackey seemed more pro forma.

tipsy mothra, Thursday, 24 July 2008 06:04 (fifteen years ago) link

fast food nation was prety weak, i thought the kinnear/willis part could have been the basis for a good comedy if fleshed out a lot. the ethan hawke part was one of the most embarassing things i've ever seen.

velko, Thursday, 24 July 2008 06:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I really admire his erraticness. I'll go with Before Sunset

baaderonixx, Thursday, 24 July 2008 08:02 (fifteen years ago) link

D&C, but a vote for anything but the Befores is OK with me. Even The Newton Boys.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 24 July 2008 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Tape has Ethan Hawke's best performance. Voted for D&C over Before Sunrise.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 24 July 2008 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm surely way out on my lonesome here, but I've never understood the hard-on people have for this dude. Slacker and D&C had a couple of chuckles in them, and he's uh, technically competent...
but really?

will, Thursday, 24 July 2008 13:36 (fifteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed Tape; would screen again.

And Slacker is just one of my favorite films ever, art's best defense of Texas -- but I D&C never clicked for me, at all.

wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 24 July 2008 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

How busy was he 2001-2006? Wow, didn't realise he was that productive then. Well, I did, but I've never looked at titles and dates and considered it before.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 24 July 2008 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Arguably a little too busy.

D&C did click for me, in part, cuz apparently Texas was just like how I remember New Jersey being in 1976.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 24 July 2008 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link

D&C is the only movie yet made that I can watch ad infinitum. Such a fun, easy-going flick.

Granny Dainger, Thursday, 24 July 2008 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Before Sunset, easily.

Eric H., Thursday, 24 July 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

PARTY AT THE MOON TOWWER

404 Error: Page Not Found, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Dazed and Confused is one of my favourite movies ever. So, um, yeah.

I know, right?, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link

I haven't seen very many of his films. A Scanner Darkly was extraordinary, though.

chap, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I wish they'd release subUrbia out on DVD.

Oh yes. Warners were supposed to have it out last fall.

Linklater came down to Houston last year to introduce a screening of Minnelli's Some Came Running at the MFA. He did a Q & A about the film afterward. After that he signed some autographs and chatted with fans. Nice fellow. There was funny moment during Q & A when this one prick kept asking about A Scanner Darkly and his usage of Keanu Reeves. A real pain in the ass. Linklater finally told him that Keanu was a good guy and easy to work with.

C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 24 July 2008 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Before Sunrise. Obv.

SeekAltRoute, Friday, 25 July 2008 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Monday, 28 July 2008 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Waking Life is a mess, but I love it.

D&C is very good, but I don't really love it.

Before Sunrise is his best and I like it a lot.

Voted Waking Life.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 July 2008 23:56 (fifteen years ago) link

saw part of FFN today. BO RING.

El Tomboto, Monday, 28 July 2008 23:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Waking Life (2001) 4

!!!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:59 (fifteen years ago) link

nono

The School of Rock (2003) 4

!!!

milo z, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:00 (fifteen years ago) link

The School of Rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waking Life

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I want to like totally revolt in this poll thread omg

Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Worthiest winner ever.

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:30 (fifteen years ago) link

most accurate poll results ever

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 04:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Waking Life is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. (BOGUS is the worst.)

Abbott, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link

A friend pointed out to me yesterday, when I told them that Glen Powell feels like a scam thought up by Hollywood bizzers who think millennials and Gen Z don’t understand sex appeal or get enough sex, that Powell is a psyop.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 09:33 (four days ago) link

he actually had four eyes in this role, so uh no

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:09 (four days ago) link

I did not feel sickly or partic troubled, have rooted for far more morally compromised characters in the past. Did feel "none of this would go down like this in real life", but that's what I think every time I watch a romantic comedy?

Aside from Ron I don't feel like there were any moments where we had to believe in any of the characters Gary makes up, they are designed as OTT caricatures and we're meant to think "haw, these rubes are really falling for it" more than we are supposed to marvel at the transformation imo.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:27 (four days ago) link

I did enjoy the actor playing Jasper - knew his lane and stayed in it with aplomb.

Yeah, he was great. Stole every scene he was in, imo.

when I told them that Glen Powell feels like a scam

He's Tom Cruise approved, and probably cheaper than a lot of other leading men, for a little while, anyway. Grateful to be working, by the sounds of it, and happy to generate his own projects as well. And he was never a child star, so we don't all look at him as if he's kind of a perpetual baby. I feel like all these things are working in his favour. But I agree that I don't get it. He does nothing for me at all. I mean, I've nothing against him, he seems like a perfectly nice man, but really? This is The Hot Guy?

trishyb, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:34 (four days ago) link

I liked glen powell as tilda Swinton

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:42 (four days ago) link

Tilda Swinton could totally play Glen Powell.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:43 (four days ago) link

Josh O'Connell should play every Hot Guy imo

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:45 (four days ago) link

*O'Connor too!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:46 (four days ago) link

My wife says Powell reminds her intensely of some other performer but she can't think who. I get that especially from his smirk, feels very familiar but can't place it.

It's that smirk I can't stand. Was his British guy specifically an Alan Cumming parody? I had just finished rewatching Battle of the Sexes so maybe the proximity gave me that impression.

clemenza, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 12:41 (four days ago) link

He was, I should point out, pure scuzzy charm in Everybody Wants Some!!.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 12:43 (four days ago) link

glen powell reminds me of george w bush somehow

katy perry (prison service) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 13:08 (four days ago) link

about halfway through i thought he was drawing from the matthew mcconaughey well which would make sense given his similar texas/linklater background.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 14:20 (four days ago) link

xps Aidan Gillen maybe?

kinder, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 14:22 (four days ago) link

i see it

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 14:42 (four days ago) link

His eyes seem too small for his face?

The little American Psycho impression was good, I assume all the characters were movie references but didn't catch them all.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 14:57 (four days ago) link

Powell looks like a conventionally handsome person seen in a funhouse mirror, face stretched strangely long. I watched Hit Man last night and thought..."ehh, ok..."

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 15:01 (four days ago) link

A friend pointed out to me yesterday, when I told them that Glen Powell feels like a scam thought up by Hollywood bizzers who think millennials and Gen Z don’t understand sex appeal or get enough sex, that Powell is a psyop.

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 11, 2024 5:33 AM bookmarkflaglink

he actually had four eyes in this role, so uh no

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, June 11, 2024 6:09 AM bookmarkflaglink

lmao

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 15:10 (four days ago) link

Was Maddy a real person or a composite? I ask because, though not nearly as egregious as American Graffiti's coda, I felt a twinge of unfairness in making Hit Man's coda entirely about Johnson. But if she's fictionalized, that's all you can really do.

That character and story was complete fiction. There was a woman he was sympathetic to who wanted her husband killed, but it's only a superficial resemblance. She went through with "the deal" at their one meeting even though she actually had no money, and when she was put on trial, Johnson testified for leniency, but the jury was unmoved and sentenced her to 80 years in prison. (And nothing remotely like a romance happened between two.)

I did not feel sickly or partic troubled, have rooted for far more morally compromised characters in the past. Did feel "none of this would go down like this in real life", but that's what I think every time I watch a romantic comedy?

As I mentioned before, what I found potent about this film is what it says about real life and the whole fictional romance is commenting on the real life elements that are shown in the other half of the film. It's not just about "hey none of this would happen in real life" because that becomes irrelevant if you're talking about a romantic comedy that's focused on creating a fantasy - that's to the case here. You can see it in Linklater's interviews where he's really focused on the implications of [real life] Gary's work and the people he meets, and that's what makes this movie for me.

There's arguably a whole other discussion about rooting for far more morally compromised characters, but that could take forever and put a long line of characters under a microscope. (It would probably even encompass what you mean by "rooting" - even that could be complicated, especially with a film like Psycho where Hitchcock actually examines the audience's allegiances in terms of who they're "rooting" for and how that can change.)

As for the characters Gary makes up, a lot of them aren't done with the greatest finesse, but much more important for me was what they were alluding to: movies. As I said, the film is a piece of film criticism, and those moments help establish what these people are buying into. It's done broadly, yes, but it's a salient point about how these dark fantasies about killing someone (in real life) are reflected in what people may see (or even want to see) in movies. It probably goes back to your original point about "rooting" for morally compromised people.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 18:00 (four days ago) link

*that's not the case here

birdistheword, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 18:02 (four days ago) link

Thanks. So I can't complain--you can't really mix a fictional coda with a real one (fictional-fictional would be okay, which is why American Graffiti's is so jarring).

clemenza, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 18:28 (four days ago) link

You're welcome. Also I should amend one point:

"a romantic comedy that's focused on creating a fantasy" should really be "a romantic comedy that's creating a fantasy for the sake of indulging in one."

Gary's work actually involves creating a fantasy. When you look at how some people here are responding to the film based on how they dislike Powell or how they feel about him, Gary's work is based on the same principle. The real life Gary didn't explicitly recall famous films or film roles when he prepared for a meeting, but it doesn't matter, it's still role playing that's conscious of how the potential client will respond to him. It's apiece with what movies generally do when they cast people and how actors may even think of their roles or their performances. Even if Gary doesn't seem to do much with his appearance (could be a case where it's last minute as he goes as is, which we do see in the film), he's still creating a role and self-consciously performing in how he carries himself and what he says. So it's pretty natural that Linklater and Powell would portray his work and its implications as being very reflective of movies itself.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 19:52 (four days ago) link

*and he goes as is

birdistheword, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 19:53 (four days ago) link

Glenn Powell looks like a weird transporter accident between Trip and Malcolm from ST Enterprise. I dont find him all that attractive tbh. The big square military head with the weird small mouth.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 22:08 (four days ago) link

im not at all sure this was clever or deep enough for all this analysis tbh- im not even sure its trying to be

its much more of a throwback to an 80s/90s movie than a multilayered take-bearing 2024 effort imo

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 22:14 (four days ago) link

All the details are there in the movie. If you ever listen or read to Linklater talk about his films, he puts a lot of thought into them, even in the commercial work.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 22:29 (four days ago) link

the universe is in a grain of sand, im sure

but im so sure that barring some really light almost beulleresque intro voiceover this was pretty much as surface as it seems on first glance (and again not a criticism i think it aims for and hits that mark, in itself quite a distinct approach in 2024)

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 22:48 (four days ago) link

Well, here's a remark Linklater made at TIFF last year when he was promoting the film:

I was just at the Venice film and there were like three hitman movies there. I'm like, “I'm in a little category.” We're kind of deconstructing the hitman myth, but we're all pretty bought into it. I think films invented the hitman. It's a great character. It's a great idea. But the more interesting area for me that has developed over the years is, “Well, *why* are we invested in the hitman?” Is it because we like the idea that, you know, if someone screwed me over, “*I* don't want to kill anyone, I'm a pacifist, but you screw me over enough, I might just reach into my savings account and have you killed. You're only alive because I'm deciding not to do that.” Is it an empowering thing? I don't know, I'm just spitballing, but why are we invested in this notion?

And he just filmed a video clip for a Vanity Fair interview where he talks about getting the surveillance tapes during research:

The idea of "Hitman" as a movie originates in 2001 with a Skip Hollandsworth article in Texas Monthly. At that point, I've been friends with Skip for a number of years. Skip's brilliant. He's got this incredible nose for a true crime story. And Gary Johnson, in this case, the undercover hitman. He's just letting you kind of have your fantasy. He's your fantasy of what a hitman is, and he lets you play out. He's somehow able to persuade people who are rich and not so rich, successful and not so successful, that he's the real thing. He fools them every time. And by the time you're really sitting down with who you think is a hitman, you're ready to be fooled. You've already, in the movie we say crossed that psychotic Rubicon. You're ready to believe. And I've seen enough of these surveillance tapes and listened to enough audio. I got Skip's entire file. And writing the script, it was fascinating to go through all this material and see how people are almost playing like they're in a movie. I realized not everyone fantasized about the same hitman. Every sting operation was a performance.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 23:03 (four days ago) link

Just watched this movie and I don't know what movie the critics (even Vern, the one critic I generally agree with) have been talking about, but it wasn't the one I saw. Powell is neither hot nor charming, the script is never great and completely falls apart in the final 1/4... this thing was awful in just about every way.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 02:05 (three days ago) link

That character and story was complete fiction. There was a woman he was sympathetic to who wanted her husband killed, but it's only a superficial resemblance. She went through with "the deal" at their one meeting even though she actually had no money, and when she was put on trial, Johnson testified for leniency, but the jury was unmoved and sentenced her to 80 years in prison. (And nothing remotely like a romance happened between two.)

I just read the original Texas Monthly article, which ends this way:

But not long ago Johnson did something out of character for him. He got a call about a young woman who had been spending mornings at a Starbucks in Houston’s Montrose area, talking to an employee there about the cruel way her boyfriend had been treating her. There was no way to escape him, she said. Her only hope was to find someone to kill him. She asked the Starbucks employee if he knew someone who could help. The employee called the police, who put him in touch with Johnson.

But before Johnson contacted her, he did some research into her case. He learned that she really was the victim of abuse, regularly battered by her boyfriend, too terrified to leave him because of her fear of what he might do if he found her.

Instead of setting up a sting to catch the woman and send her off to jail, he decided to help her. He referred her to social service agencies and a therapist to make sure she got proper help so she could leave her boyfriend and get into a women’s shelter.

“The greatest hit man in Houston has just turned soft,” I tell Johnson at the Mexican restaurant.

“Just this once,” he says, giving me his same enigmatic smile. Then his eyes glance around one more time at the room, at various people picking up forks and knives and stabbing at their food. “Just this once,” he says again.

That's it. So Madison is clearly based on that woman, and the movie is imagining what if their encounter had been a meet-cute.

jaymc, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 04:01 (three days ago) link

YES, forgot the end of that article. It's probably too late to know unless Gary told Skip before he died, but I wonder if his experience with the other woman influenced how he handled the second since the first one went to prison.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 04:18 (three days ago) link

(i.e. DON'T meet up for a sting)

birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 04:18 (three days ago) link

I'm kinda with darra but otoh I find birdistheword's interpretations interesting and will try to keep them in mind when rewatching

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 11:09 (three days ago) link

yeah i should note im all for delving tbf

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 11:34 (three days ago) link

liked this a good deal, coen comparisons are otm, tho i don’t think they would’ve been so kind to their characters

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 17:31 (three days ago) link

No worries - to be clear, I understand if you don't like the film, that's totally fine. All I'm saying is, don't sell Linklater short, he's a very thoughtful filmmaker and as relaxed as his films can be, he puts a lot in them. It's even fine if you don't like the ideas - if I wanted to play devil's advocate, I could argue there's nothing here that hasn't been explored already by filmmakers like Godard (and as much as I like Linklater, there are very few directors who are as inventive and impressive as Godard in the way they use film language). And I know Linklater's films are famously filled with talk (he's great at it), but he's still a filmmaker at heart and doesn't spell out all his ideas in dialogue or narration. (And I do see that happen with a lot of poor and mediocre films and television shows.) Good films usually dramatize the bulk of their ideas or put them over in some cinematic way, or at least develop them that way which is great because it tends to open them up a bit. If you spell everything out in words, it turns into an essay, which may be what you want, but probably not in a narrative film.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 17:57 (three days ago) link

As I said, I liked it okay, but I'm basically where darraghmac is: "its much more of a throwback to an 80s/90s movie." This, Drive-Away Dolls, and at least a couple of other recent films strike me very much as variations on the Tarantino kind of film that took over American independents for a while. Which seems kind of weird...if the new ones are supposed to be deconstructions of the old ones, that's not the most interesting thing in the world to me that the guy who made Boyhood could be doing.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 18:03 (three days ago) link

But, I know, the realities of making film in 2024; he does what he has to do.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 18:05 (three days ago) link

on that note, look for his adaptation of Merrily We Roll Along in....the summer of 2039, give or take a few years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrily_We_Roll_Along_(film)

symsymsym, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 20:00 (three days ago) link

No worries - to be clear, I understand if you don't like the film, that's totally fine. All I'm saying is, don't sell Linklater short,

woah, hang on now- delving (beyond what is possibly there) is fine, but i gotta stop you right here and note that this isnt what ive said nor what i think too many others have said at all, tbh its a bald misrepresentation imo

what ive said and clemenza puts well above is that if you see all that you are seeing, then great, thats part of the fun of discussing anything i guess, but im not seeing it and ive been pretty explicit about not selling the director short at all.

i dont think i missed anything and i dont think ive misread the tone of the movie at all tbh

its a nifty little romcom with a knowing edge and a good hook, overrated for certain and probably overanalysed for what it actually says and does but i think its doing exactly what its trying to do and thats fine with me.

i rather feel as is you are insisting a bit now, which is where ill dig my heels in (which is fine these are grand things to argue over)

has anyone been more interested in how obvious a femme fatale our leading lady character is, i havent read the thread but that was the most interesting thing for me- shes out to use our hitman from minute one and failing in love with him is a mere by-product

its played about as deeply as a chevy chase comedy from 1990 but it is interesting to see it written and put out there today and im surprised it hasnt gotten more attn tbh

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 22:02 (three days ago) link

>> has anyone been more interested in how obvious a femme fatale our leading lady character is, i havent read the thread but that was the most interesting thing for me- shes out to use our hitman from minute one and failing in love with him is a mere by-product

I was definitely waiting for her to turn on him, which was what made HIS heel turn so dramatically unsatisfying (that and the fact that he utterly failed to sell it).

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 22:18 (three days ago) link

All the attention this is getting makes me really not want to see it

calstars, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 22:21 (three days ago) link

helpful contribution!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 23:13 (three days ago) link

If I wanted to over analyze this I would focus on the contrast of the conversation he has with his ex vs his vibe with the femme fatale. I don’t really feel like it though

Heez, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 23:28 (three days ago) link

has anyone been more interested in how obvious a femme fatale our leading lady character is, i havent read the thread but that was the most interesting thing for me- shes out to use our hitman from minute one and failing in love with him is a mere by-product

He's actually talked about this when interviewers brought up genre - this was one of his responses:

"I started to sense the genre I was operating in, kind of a film noir...then we made the big decision, 'Okay, she's not a black widow, we've seen that in all these other movies. What if they're really meant for each other?' I thought it was kind of a great love story...So then it's a screwball comedy."

birdistheword, Thursday, 13 June 2024 00:42 (two days ago) link

it swoops in and out for sure

but again- id agree that its never unknowingly

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 June 2024 07:07 (two days ago) link

Yeah, tbc if I think it's a more straightforward piece of work than what birdistheword believes it's not because I think Linklater is incapable of anything more sophisticated - if anything I'd rate the capacity to say "ok now I'm just doing a romantic comedy and it will have little bits to glom onto but not to the extent that it overshadows its value as an entertainment" as a sign of intelligence.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 13 June 2024 10:33 (two days ago) link

exactly imo

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 June 2024 11:22 (two days ago) link

All the attention this is getting makes me really not want to see it

fuck on, sweet Ringo!

bae (sic), Thursday, 13 June 2024 15:11 (two days ago) link

My wife says Powell reminds her intensely of some other performer but she can't think who. I get that especially from his smirk, feels very familiar but can't place it.

Screening The Mule rn, and I think the answer to this is "Less-Smug Bradley Cooper."


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