Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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Because DG demanded it! Who's your favorite captain/commander: Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, or Archer? Did you read any of those books? How are the movies? Spock vs Data: who wins? Etc.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Here we go. *cracks knuckles*

Never watched the original series much (wasn't alive at the time of the originals, don't recall seeing the reruns), but became a fan of the movies when they started. Fell into things fully when TNG began (watched from the first episode to the last) and still followed those films, though after starting with both Deep Space Nine and Voyager I gave them up fully in late 1995 and never looked back. Have a couple of the, ahem, 'technical manuals' around the place but that's about it -- the other books I've avoided. Have no costumes, have always avoided any kind of conventions general or specific, take cruel pleasure in laughing at Shatner's follies in the fifth movie, as should we all (the fake MST version is the only one to see, frankly).

Unsurprisingly, Picard is my fave (I was actually a Patrick Stewart fan already), but both Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew did excellent jobs in their Sisko and Janeway roles. Scott Bakula as Archer just scares me as a concept. TNG cast my favorite ensemble bunch, though I will give it up (oh yes) for George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, Terri Farrell, Alexander Siddiq, Rene Auberjonois, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran and Robert Picardo. Data ist rad. And so forth.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I didn't demand it, I just said I was *expecting* it. I shall answer the question myself after a few more posts.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

what is this rubbish about kirk not being the best captain? i watched star trek II the other night, it is clearly the greatest film of all time. singular episodes of the original series make up my childhood. i remember my parents watching the next generation when it premiered and thinking, what is this boring crap? whereas wrath of khan scared me so bad i couldn't sleep (the bug- in-ear part, naturally). deep space nine and voyager are even worse. it's like if they made 'the prisoner: the next generation' with some bald dumbass replacing mcgoohan, and then made two more that were even worse shit. the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The official DG view:
Original Series: Classic, except for most of season 3, which was poo.
Next Generation: Dud until 'Best Of Both Worlds', then got quite good.
Deep Space Nine: Undecided, it hasn't really grabbed me but the last season is on BBC2 at the moment and that's quite good I suppose.
Voyager: Dud with occasional Classic moments.
Films: I like most of them, especially II and III, but V, VII and IX are dud.
Basically I like the original best, like Ethan it was wot I watched when a tiny (on Friday nights at my grandparents' house while parents were off doing weekly food shop), but even now I still find it is more enjoyable and has a lot more charm than recent Trek (my Trekkie aunt recently dumped her entire collection of Original Series vids and other stuff on me, not that I'm ungrateful). Voyager is, in general, a travesty (how many shuttles do they have? how many crewmen? how many times must they end up in a temporal warp/unknown energy field etc) with a few redeeming features, but I don't think that it bodes well for the future. I'll give the new Trek series a chance, but I'm almost certain it will be *even worse* than Voyager. I mean, Quantum Leap bloke? Pffff.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

it's funny how they could never emulate the visual timelessness of the original series. the wonderful set design, the flat grey interiors, the uniforms, it all seemed RIGHT. whereas all series afterwards have used beige minivan consoles with the crew wearing cheap polyester halloween costumes.

note: star trek: the motion picture looked awful. but all the ones after that were awesome. how much cooler would next generation have been if they had those burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that shit.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, red uniforms = the best. The original series is the best because the universe is just so unfriendly, not to mention the Enterprise interior decor. And the ships looked better, not interstellar Nissan Micras like they are post-TNG.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I will grant both movie II (and the ear scene in particular, freaked me out as an eleven-year-old -- Nick Meyer, the secret to success) and indeed the kick-ass burgundy uniforms, one of the best design decisions of the entire sequence. However, though there's easily enough ham- handedness in the later series to offset the ones in the original and all, where Ethan and DG see Goodness and Rightness, I see...well, a sixties TV series. For some this is enough, but not me. And I'll take the bald motherfucker, thank you. Kirk got his ass kicked by a bearded guy pretending to be God, Picard took on the Borg several times and won. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Problem with that is, Ned, I like 60s TV series. I like the original because it's good campy fun, whereas I find TNG and after a bit too serious for their own good. And they wear silly uniforms. And Picard is a Frenchman with an English accent, which is silly.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, I don't mind The Avengers and the like. But though sf is always not so much a projection of the future as an encapsulation of obsessions of the now, I find the disjunction between what the original series is and what it is supposed to be hard to deal with. Everything since then does indeed take itself more seriously, a reflection of the inevitable result of its popularity (you can just as easily argue that Star Wars suffers from the same problem, if it is one). Yet somehow that appeals to me more. The inevitable end result was actually Babylon 5, where a serious, overarching story was paramount (but which I could never stand myself, because for the most part the acting was so freakin' bad).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Then we'll have to politely agree to disagree, then. I've never seen Babylon 5, so I couldn't comment on that.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DG: watching babylon 5 is like getting the ear thing, only not as interesting.

ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

you think picard is tougher than picard.

I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

grr, you know what i meant, i was just blinded by rage .

that riker transporter twin episode is some stupid shit though.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

speaking of riker, here's an important point i forgot to make, NUMBER OF HATABLE CHARACTERS PER SERIES:

original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.

next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.

deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.

voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?

evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

KIrk could kick picard's ass any day. Kirk was like a slutty brawling egotist and picard was an anal retentive bald french yuppie. I bet Spock coul d beat up data too. He would use some weird Vulcan technique. Bones was so much more likeable and tougher than that redhaired shit doctor on next generation. Wesley crusher was such a stupid littel prick. I'll take Chekov over him anyday. And I dug Uhurus sexy legs, She was a hootchie mama in that miniskirt

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree that Wesley should have been killed. Very very very VERY FUCKING SLOWLY.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Kirk boffed green alien slave girls with cleavage one could ski down. That alone made him cooler than any subsequent Captain. Other than him, my favorite Star Trek character was Q (what an asshole! what's there not to love about Q?)

All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Chekov wasn't so bad in the TV series. He was essential because he had the greatest scream, which talent always came in handy when some breed of nasty aliens had some fiendish torture device. Ergo, Chekov = classic.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

q was awesome, yeah, but just because he made fun of picard. the whole concept was ripped off from that original series episode with the godlike alien who turns out to be just a spoiled kid, and that storyline is better than anything that ever had q in it anyway.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Does knowing the difference between a trekker and a trekkie and then claiming you're a trekker instantly make you a trekkie?

I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.

John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

everyone likes ricardo montalban, no?

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

D U D!

How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")

In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)

It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.

But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.

And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.

And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?

And why was it always so fucking BORING?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

star trek. sanctimonious. surely not? heh heh heh

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Voyager totally kicks the ass of *all* previous incarnations. Because Voyager slash fiction features 7of9, who iz meh on- screen, sexwise, but as a conceptual device in print iz rowr

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What is the point of Riker? What the hell is his 'schtick'?

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The point of Riker was to dilute the Wesley Hatred. This plan backfired when Wesley left and Riker grew a smug beard, turning him into one of the worst things ever. I kept hoping that he and Troi would get sucked into a black hole.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I could tolerate Troi's psychobabble only because of her cleavage. And her ass. Other than that, she was useless.

Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I second the post about Troi's assets! The 'psychobabble' thing was hilarious - somebody's biting their nails quickly and their eyes are darting around the room, and Troi's insight is, "He is obviously nervous and anxious about something."

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

orig.Star Trek composer = v.influenced by Varese... hey, like someone else TS has a tatse for, methinks?

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

dan, you're scaring me now.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link


Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't mind the first season, but it definitely gets better as it goes along. I skipped some in the first and second seasons. By season three it's still pretty cheesy, but it's totally hitting my "comfort food" baseline, so ultimately I don't mind whether it's a good episode or a bad episode. Ron Moore joins in the writing team in Season 3, characterisations are a bit sharper, and the story resolutions less predictable.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 28 August 2023 15:40 (six months ago) link

and bashir becomes less annoying

mookieproof, Monday, 28 August 2023 15:56 (six months ago) link

I remember another ilxor linking to a DS9 watch guide if you want to skip the standalone episodes and focus on the grand arc -- I can't be bothered to find it now but I'm pretty sure you can find others online.

Also I'd be hesitant to buy digital media ATM -- you're betting on the streaming service continuing to make it available, and given current trends, that's not a sure bet.

The Banshees of Ed Sheeran (Leee), Monday, 28 August 2023 20:00 (six months ago) link

(FWIW, I don’t stream - I buy and download. Have plenty of disc space)

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 28 August 2023 22:25 (six months ago) link

Yup, the way to go. (See also Bandcamp.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 August 2023 23:26 (six months ago) link

TOS is on sale for $30.

(you can price alert all this stuff on - a totally essential resource if you buy digital)

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 08:25 (six months ago) link

When “permission to speak freely” is requested, a “with all due respect” will surely soon folllw


Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 08:55 (six months ago) link

four weeks pass...

they are playing darts on deep space nine

koogs, Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:10 (five months ago) link

I just watched a really terrific third season DS9 episode called “Civil Defense”. It starts off like a bottle episode, and you think it’s going to be one of those boring stories where two frenemies get trapped in a room and Learn Valuable Lessons From One Another. But then it broadens out to other parts of the station and the stakes keep getting bigger and bigger in unexpected ways. If’s just a really fun action comedy episode, a little bit Die Hard, a little bit Paranoia: The Role Playing Game. Maybe my favourite story so far.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 28 September 2023 20:02 (five months ago) link

Yeah it's a really fun disaster episode! Totally genre but still entertaining, with some great Dukat scenery chewing.

Hoisted by your own Picard (Leee), Friday, 29 September 2023 01:16 (five months ago) link

Its funny, Dukat is a genuinely evil man but at times in the show I actually liked him despite this!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 29 September 2023 02:16 (five months ago) link

I love Dukat - so many actors get in that heavy kind of effects makeup & jthry ust bug their eyes & shout & overdo it but Alaimo’s so unbothered & just commands the hell out of every moment. you’d swear he was genetically a Cardassian irl lol

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 September 2023 02:34 (five months ago) link

did not like how he was completely irredeemable yet then for a while they softened him up before returning him to full extra awfulness. also he was weird and creepy in the DS9 documentary. but yeah if you need yr scenery chewed, he's up to it

saw him as a disposable baddie in an episode of the a-team a few years ago and found it disconcerting

mookieproof, Friday, 29 September 2023 02:53 (five months ago) link

he is SO creepy in the doc, otm

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 September 2023 03:07 (five months ago) link

It’s fun to see Andrew Robinson pop up in things like “Cobra”

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 29 September 2023 03:40 (five months ago) link

mookie and VG otm, when he was creepy and grandiose I don't think he was necessarily acting

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 29 September 2023 14:02 (five months ago) link

Okay meantime this new one is perfectly ridiculous

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 September 2023 14:32 (five months ago) link

yes! deeply silly

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 September 2023 14:50 (five months ago) link

I watch DS9 randomly when it's on and catches my attention. I'm a sucker for ferengi subplots so I was excited to see a group of them teaming up to rescue quark's mom from the dominion the other day and wait a minute, that vorta's voice sounds familiar... it's fuckkin Iggy Pop!!! I had no idea he did that!

BrianB, Friday, 29 September 2023 14:53 (five months ago) link

Ha that was a great short treks, loads of nice cameos, though I was a bit disappointed Garak didnt speak in his bit.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 29 September 2023 23:26 (five months ago) link

I just checked that Shimerman was in it because boy, his voice doesn't sound the same anymore!

Hoisted by your own Picard (Leee), Friday, 29 September 2023 23:49 (five months ago) link

they are playing darts on deep space nine

I love the way that people get Worf to try stuff, by vaguely appealing to some sense Klingon warriorhood, whether it's O'Brien and Bashir getting him to play darts or Guinan persuading him to drink prune juice.

you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Saturday, 30 September 2023 08:03 (five months ago) link

Also the latter is the source of one of my favourite Worf/Quark scenes:

you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Saturday, 30 September 2023 08:05 (five months ago) link

(worf has yet to appear, tail end of season three)

koogs, Saturday, 30 September 2023 11:22 (five months ago) link

lol, worf turned up in the very next episode

koogs, Monday, 2 October 2023 18:29 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

yesterday's ST:DS9 was Trials and Tribble-lations, classic for sticking the ds9 crew in the 60s uniforms

koogs, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 17:48 (three months ago) link

(oh, it's an extra on the tos series 2 dvds, which is why it's more familiar than the rest of ds9 (which i've not seen since it first aired))

koogs, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 17:59 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

deep space 9 repeats on Legend just carried on with their every-weekday schedule over the Christmas break so i am now 6 behind. this feels oppressive.

koogs, Friday, 29 December 2023 04:22 (two months ago) link

catching up on deep space nine and today cisco is dreaming that they are all working for a sf magazine in the 40s / 50s. includes all of nog, kira, quark, odo, worf etc without prosthetics / makeup. and it's all spoilt by the fact that cisco's glasses obviously just have plain glass in them.

koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:41 (two months ago) link

ahem *Sisko

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link

no, i mean the network guy 8)

koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:14 (two months ago) link

Worf is the biggest surprise. i doubt i'd recognise him if i didn't know. (and probably Nog, probably because i've not seen them in anything else, unlike, say, armin shimerman)

koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:19 (two months ago) link

The glasses exist! In here! Sisko created it! You canNOT destroy an idea of glasses!

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:20 (two months ago) link

can they not find fake glasses with a curve to them so they don't flash over all at once though? it just screams 'these aren't real'

koogs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 19:00 (two months ago) link

listen though that episode is an all timer

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 4 January 2024 22:33 (two months ago) link


damar as the shrink is also good

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:00 (two months ago) link

My favorite Trek thing ever, full-stop.

Captain Sisko and Ebert (Leee), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:26 (two months ago) link

fucking holodeck episodes

koogs, Thursday, 11 January 2024 18:56 (one month ago) link

ds9 holodeck episode where Nog deals with ptsd is one of the best, though

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 11 January 2024 21:48 (one month ago) link

this was Vic the holo-singer match making between Kira and Odo by telling them both that the other was a hologram. really just a excuse for crooning. and to see Kira dressed up.

today's is Sisko being emissary, more garbage. "The Sisko has come, the circle is complete, the Sisko will know".

koogs, Friday, 12 January 2024 11:35 (one month ago) link

yea, ezri is here

also, they appear to be visiting the Star Trek rocks in Joshua tree

koogs, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 19:21 (one month ago) link

Just watched ds9 "Past Tense" episode where Sisko & Bashir accidently get sent back to 2024 - the Bell Riots would be coming to San Francisco in September of this year, the result of which will finally put mankind on the path to enlightenment. Or you know, Trump gets elected in November and humanity continues it's death spiral.

BrianB, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 20:48 (one month ago) link

annoyingly the season pass has been lost for deep space nine and it didn't record 7.11 and 7.12 and i didn't realise in time to catch the repeats.

koogs, Monday, 5 February 2024 19:17 (one month ago) link

every other episode seems to be a vic fontaine episode 8(

koogs, Friday, 9 February 2024 15:34 (three weeks ago) link

I read somewhere Worf's "Irving Berlin" groan when Data sings blue skies is a clue he spent way more time getting music education with Vic than we thought.
I dunno, I like the idea better that Worf just randomly recognizes and hates Irving Berlin.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 9 February 2024 22:23 (three weeks ago) link

DS9 finished yesterday. Voyager starts on a different channel next week (i saw the second half of this during lockdown, but can't remember just how much)

koogs, Friday, 23 February 2024 18:57 (one week ago) link

pretty good:

mookieproof, Saturday, 2 March 2024 03:40 (three days ago) link

Lol @ Don't Luc Back in Anger

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 2 March 2024 03:55 (three days ago) link

These are great! The Rumours cover with the Mick Fleetwood-as-alien is a good deep cut joke.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 2 March 2024 05:55 (three days ago) link

Those are really good! Also, I am procrastinating from writing an essay and

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 2 March 2024 14:10 (three days ago) link

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