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Because DG demanded it! Who's your favorite captain/commander: Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, or Archer? Did you read any of those books? How are the movies? Spock vs Data: who wins? Etc.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Here we go. *cracks knuckles*

Never watched the original series much (wasn't alive at the time of the originals, don't recall seeing the reruns), but became a fan of the movies when they started. Fell into things fully when TNG began (watched from the first episode to the last) and still followed those films, though after starting with both Deep Space Nine and Voyager I gave them up fully in late 1995 and never looked back. Have a couple of the, ahem, 'technical manuals' around the place but that's about it -- the other books I've avoided. Have no costumes, have always avoided any kind of conventions general or specific, take cruel pleasure in laughing at Shatner's follies in the fifth movie, as should we all (the fake MST version is the only one to see, frankly).

Unsurprisingly, Picard is my fave (I was actually a Patrick Stewart fan already), but both Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew did excellent jobs in their Sisko and Janeway roles. Scott Bakula as Archer just scares me as a concept. TNG cast my favorite ensemble bunch, though I will give it up (oh yes) for George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, Terri Farrell, Alexander Siddiq, Rene Auberjonois, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran and Robert Picardo. Data ist rad. And so forth.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't demand it, I just said I was *expecting* it. I shall answer the question myself after a few more posts.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

what is this rubbish about kirk not being the best captain? i watched star trek II the other night, it is clearly the greatest film of all time. singular episodes of the original series make up my childhood. i remember my parents watching the next generation when it premiered and thinking, what is this boring crap? whereas wrath of khan scared me so bad i couldn't sleep (the bug- in-ear part, naturally). deep space nine and voyager are even worse. it's like if they made 'the prisoner: the next generation' with some bald dumbass replacing mcgoohan, and then made two more that were even worse shit. the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The official DG view:
Original Series: Classic, except for most of season 3, which was poo.
Next Generation: Dud until 'Best Of Both Worlds', then got quite good.
Deep Space Nine: Undecided, it hasn't really grabbed me but the last season is on BBC2 at the moment and that's quite good I suppose.
Voyager: Dud with occasional Classic moments.
Films: I like most of them, especially II and III, but V, VII and IX are dud.
Basically I like the original best, like Ethan it was wot I watched when a tiny (on Friday nights at my grandparents' house while parents were off doing weekly food shop), but even now I still find it is more enjoyable and has a lot more charm than recent Trek (my Trekkie aunt recently dumped her entire collection of Original Series vids and other stuff on me, not that I'm ungrateful). Voyager is, in general, a travesty (how many shuttles do they have? how many crewmen? how many times must they end up in a temporal warp/unknown energy field etc) with a few redeeming features, but I don't think that it bodes well for the future. I'll give the new Trek series a chance, but I'm almost certain it will be *even worse* than Voyager. I mean, Quantum Leap bloke? Pffff.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

it's funny how they could never emulate the visual timelessness of the original series. the wonderful set design, the flat grey interiors, the uniforms, it all seemed RIGHT. whereas all series afterwards have used beige minivan consoles with the crew wearing cheap polyester halloween costumes.

note: star trek: the motion picture looked awful. but all the ones after that were awesome. how much cooler would next generation have been if they had those burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that shit.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, red uniforms = the best. The original series is the best because the universe is just so unfriendly, not to mention the Enterprise interior decor. And the ships looked better, not interstellar Nissan Micras like they are post-TNG.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I will grant both movie II (and the ear scene in particular, freaked me out as an eleven-year-old -- Nick Meyer, the secret to success) and indeed the kick-ass burgundy uniforms, one of the best design decisions of the entire sequence. However, though there's easily enough ham- handedness in the later series to offset the ones in the original and all, where Ethan and DG see Goodness and Rightness, I see...well, a sixties TV series. For some this is enough, but not me. And I'll take the bald motherfucker, thank you. Kirk got his ass kicked by a bearded guy pretending to be God, Picard took on the Borg several times and won. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Problem with that is, Ned, I like 60s TV series. I like the original because it's good campy fun, whereas I find TNG and after a bit too serious for their own good. And they wear silly uniforms. And Picard is a Frenchman with an English accent, which is silly.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I don't mind The Avengers and the like. But though sf is always not so much a projection of the future as an encapsulation of obsessions of the now, I find the disjunction between what the original series is and what it is supposed to be hard to deal with. Everything since then does indeed take itself more seriously, a reflection of the inevitable result of its popularity (you can just as easily argue that Star Wars suffers from the same problem, if it is one). Yet somehow that appeals to me more. The inevitable end result was actually Babylon 5, where a serious, overarching story was paramount (but which I could never stand myself, because for the most part the acting was so freakin' bad).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Then we'll have to politely agree to disagree, then. I've never seen Babylon 5, so I couldn't comment on that.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

DG: watching babylon 5 is like getting the ear thing, only not as interesting.

ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

you think picard is tougher than picard.

I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

grr, you know what i meant, i was just blinded by rage .

that riker transporter twin episode is some stupid shit though.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

speaking of riker, here's an important point i forgot to make, NUMBER OF HATABLE CHARACTERS PER SERIES:

original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.

next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.

deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.

voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?

evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

KIrk could kick picard's ass any day. Kirk was like a slutty brawling egotist and picard was an anal retentive bald french yuppie. I bet Spock coul d beat up data too. He would use some weird Vulcan technique. Bones was so much more likeable and tougher than that redhaired shit doctor on next generation. Wesley crusher was such a stupid littel prick. I'll take Chekov over him anyday. And I dug Uhurus sexy legs, She was a hootchie mama in that miniskirt

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I agree that Wesley should have been killed. Very very very VERY FUCKING SLOWLY.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Kirk boffed green alien slave girls with cleavage one could ski down. That alone made him cooler than any subsequent Captain. Other than him, my favorite Star Trek character was Q (what an asshole! what's there not to love about Q?)

All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Chekov wasn't so bad in the TV series. He was essential because he had the greatest scream, which talent always came in handy when some breed of nasty aliens had some fiendish torture device. Ergo, Chekov = classic.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

q was awesome, yeah, but just because he made fun of picard. the whole concept was ripped off from that original series episode with the godlike alien who turns out to be just a spoiled kid, and that storyline is better than anything that ever had q in it anyway.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Does knowing the difference between a trekker and a trekkie and then claiming you're a trekker instantly make you a trekkie?

I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.

John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

everyone likes ricardo montalban, no?

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

D U D!

How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")

In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)

It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.

But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.

And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.

And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?

And why was it always so fucking BORING?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

star trek. sanctimonious. surely not? heh heh heh

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Voyager totally kicks the ass of *all* previous incarnations. Because Voyager slash fiction features 7of9, who iz meh on- screen, sexwise, but as a conceptual device in print iz rowr

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

What is the point of Riker? What the hell is his 'schtick'?

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The point of Riker was to dilute the Wesley Hatred. This plan backfired when Wesley left and Riker grew a smug beard, turning him into one of the worst things ever. I kept hoping that he and Troi would get sucked into a black hole.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I could tolerate Troi's psychobabble only because of her cleavage. And her ass. Other than that, she was useless.

Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I second the post about Troi's assets! The 'psychobabble' thing was hilarious - somebody's biting their nails quickly and their eyes are darting around the room, and Troi's insight is, "He is obviously nervous and anxious about something."

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

orig.Star Trek composer = v.influenced by Varese... hey, like someone else TS has a tatse for, methinks?

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

dan, you're scaring me now.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

NONONONONONO!

Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ethan:
1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

There’s a Twilight Zone episode or two on the theme.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 21:34 (seven months ago) link

Doesn't TNG have a few episodes like that? "Future Imperfect" and I want to say another one involving Picard.

Eleanor of Accutane (Leee), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 21:39 (seven months ago) link

These days you can watch the pilot standalone. Kids today!

don't get this 'joke'

Two Meter Peter (Ste), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 08:30 (seven months ago) link

Shore Leave is one of my faves too - always love seeing the original crew in real locations.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 17 March 2021 09:26 (seven months ago) link

These days you can watch the pilot standalone. Kids today!

- don't get this 'joke'

pilot was cut up for a cheap two-parter episode during the season, used as flashback / video evidence in a trial.

in 1986, the cut-up bits were recompiled with the missing bits from Roddenberry's office-use-only rough-cut B&W reference print and released on VHS.

in 1987, some of the colour trims were found in a skip and an almost-complete colour version (about ten minutes short) was re-re-compiled and shown on TV in 1988. these young whippersnappers of today were then able to buy either the complete or the colour version on laserdisc! they, and you, don't know they're born.

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 09:37 (seven months ago) link

Sorry, was sort of pretending to be a certain Star Trek- and Paul Lynde- fan that used to post around here.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 11:10 (seven months ago) link

Another fan of "Shore Leave" here. Ran the local library's projector for it and other ST episodes when I was a kid, back with single channel weekly reruns, ST episode photo books and memorizing the Compendium. Finnegan's gleeful cackle was great, Alice and the White Rabbit set the tone, etc. Also agree on seeing them in real locations. Visiting Vasquez Rocks was a bucket list check off.

Duds ahead: "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", "Turnabout Intruder", "The Gamesters of Triskelion" (gets my vote for cringiest).

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 13:10 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, those are all pretty bad.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 14:12 (seven months ago) link

Joke was fine!

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 19:18 (seven months ago) link

Gamesters was semi-remade into TNG's Code of Honor which may be the worst episode of that series.

nothing in TOS season 3 is great. last battlefield is bad in an entertaining way.

wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 18 March 2021 07:47 (seven months ago) link

Yes, it somewhat fell off a cliff in Season 3 - a bit like Lazarus keeps doing in "Alternative Factor".

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 March 2021 10:03 (seven months ago) link

Oh no, I love "Shore Leave." I think it imprinted on me when I saw it at a young age and did not know wtf was going on in it. The hallucinatory mood of it was was intriguing.

I love "Shore Leave". Along with "Spectre of the Gun", it was one of the first episodes I remembered seeing when I was probably 7. Both episodes had a main character "die" in them which left a big impression on little me.

I'm pretty much of the opinion there are almost no bad Star Trek: TOS episodes. Even the "bad" ones are classic. Season 3 has two of my favorites: "Plato's Stepchildren" and "The Savage Curtain", which if you don't find amusing I weep for your soul.

righteous oxide (PBKR), Thursday, 18 March 2021 12:49 (seven months ago) link

There is something to be said about this last statement. Case in point "Spock's Brain," to name one.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 March 2021 12:55 (seven months ago) link

We just started S2 - Amok Time was great!. I had never seen it before despite knowing some of the cultural references

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:34 (seven months ago) link

Same writer as Shore Leave!

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:47 (seven months ago) link

you guys can love Shore Leave all you want. I know what I saw

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:51 (seven months ago) link

agree w vg about "shore leave"-- cute but i don't like when this show spends an entire episode trying to be funny-- and of course about "the alternative factor" which is the worst TOS episode. i like "squire of gothos" tho. lacks the action to fill out its runtime and compensates by repeating itself but the ending is my favorite instance of its cliche and also it will always be significant to me that a banal line from it ("i'll go along with this charade until i can think my way out") was plagiarized for no reason by bob dylan. my least favorite s1 episodes are the most famous-- the interminable salvage job of "the menagerie" and of course "city on the edge of forever", a boring twilight zone that probably thinks it's talking you into shutting up about vietnam.

"the gamesters of triskelion" is p unpleasant but i do like its colors, including/especially of the gamesters' brains-- mentioning this cuz vg is otm about the color in general which is my fave part of this show.

in s3 i like "the enterprise incident" (best spock ep short of amok time) and "the cloud minders" (class!) v much, and "day of the dove" provisionally (fun to think about in context, and to compare to s2's delusional "a private little war"). "plato's stepchildren" is at least strikingly sadistic, tho its vaunted Television First does not seem particularly woke in context. "spectre of the gun" has the best+eeriest set design in the "crew beams down into a b-movie" genre of TOS episode; plus i think it's the one where kirk says "we come in peace" and immediately draws his phaser. remain soullessly unamused by "the savage curtain" (shore leave with animatronics).

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:29 (seven months ago) link

fill out its runtime

'the alternative factor' and 'last battlefield' are brutal examples of this. i mean the endless running through the corridors of the enterprise in the latter . . .

will always ride for pittsburgh's own frank gorshin tho

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:41 (seven months ago) link

IMO "City on the Edge of Forever" earns its stripes for having the sharpest, most clearly defined dialogue among the main trio.

Eleanor of Accutane (Leee), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:57 (seven months ago) link

"City on the Edge of Forever" is great.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:05 (seven months ago) link

I watched it purely because of the Discovery ep that it referenced, and liked it a lot.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:01 (seven months ago) link

OK I feel stupid I've only now realised that was Joan Collins in the ep *facepalm*

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:07 (seven months ago) link

I envy your innocence.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:48 (seven months ago) link

xpost omg!

i enjoy City on Edge of Forever as a chance to see Kirk & Spock butch up in flannel shirts

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:31 (seven months ago) link

omg! as in omg trayce not omg i didnt know

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:31 (seven months ago) link

i am slightly salty about them ditching Yeoman Janice aka Baskethead as a recurring character early in season 1 bc apparently they wanted a parade of various attractive women yeomanning for Kirk instead of just her

i liked her! i also found they made an action figure of her :D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:34 (seven months ago) link

I think there is more to the story than just that.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:41 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, a rather disturbing one, and if the most common interpretation is true, one that reflects very poorly on Roddenberry.

Eleanor of Accutane (Leee), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:54 (seven months ago) link

ok i will do some extra curricular reading

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 March 2021 01:12 (seven months ago) link

Harlan Ellison, among others, tells some stories about what went on in that bungalow.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2021 02:26 (seven months ago) link

it will always be significant to me that a banal line from it ("i'll go along with this charade until i can think my way out") was plagiarized for no reason by bob dylan
I just looked this up and it said they were both citing an earlier source.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2021 03:13 (seven months ago) link

imo the worst season 1 episode by a long long way is mudd's women. not just sexist but really boring. (the other episode with harry mudd isn't that bad, iirc.) 

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 19 March 2021 03:16 (seven months ago) link

Bogart in a film called Tokyo Joe.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2021 03:19 (seven months ago) link

oh that does make sense for mid-80s dylan (just before brownsville girl). can imagine him catching that on tv one afternoon, as i had imagined him catching the squire of gothos. dunno why it crops up (slightly distorted) in the trek episode tho lol. think it was one of michael gray's books i got that loose connection from.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 19 March 2021 03:32 (seven months ago) link

re mudd’s women i think of this post a lot

mudd's women was one of the three stories roddenberry pitched for the star trek pilot. he was using the fantastic allegorical power of sci-fi to tell the story of a pimp who lives in a cave.

― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:10 PM bookmarkflaglink

difficult listening hour, Friday, 19 March 2021 03:38 (seven months ago) link

ok i will do some extra curricular reading

I think people also talk about it earlier in this thread? Certainly ILE was where I found out about it.

trishyb, Friday, 19 March 2021 09:55 (seven months ago) link

Yes, there is some discussion upthread.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2021 15:53 (seven months ago) link

Vulcanian?

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2021 23:19 (seven months ago) link

four months pass...

daily voyager repeats now on season 3 in the UK. they go back in time and space to... Earth 1996. that'll save on props. and i bet it'll be somewhere in the los angeles area... (see also ST:IV)

koogs, Friday, 6 August 2021 13:47 (two months ago) link

LA, yes. also with guest slots from sarah silverman and ed begley jr.

koogs, Friday, 6 August 2021 14:36 (two months ago) link

Lol.

No Particular Place to POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 August 2021 14:51 (two months ago) link

Lower Decks S2 premieres next Friday... the 13th! BUM BUM BUMMMM.

Action Bell (Leee), Friday, 6 August 2021 20:52 (two months ago) link

wahoo

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 August 2021 22:24 (two months ago) link

For a split second I wondered why you were telling us about the horny yacht crew programme.

trishyb, Friday, 6 August 2021 22:27 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

need a supercut of

JR OFFICER: In visual range.

CAPTAIN: On screen.

(*a small blur*)

CAPTAIN: Magnify!

mookieproof, Friday, 3 September 2021 03:35 (one month ago) link

Have recently been watching Star Trek Continues, which faithfully re-creates the look & feel of the original series and has episodes which follow on from TOS as well, e.g. "The Fairest of them All" after the events of "Mirror Mirror".

All the episodes can be found here (are free to view on YouTube): https://www.startrekcontinues.com/episodes.html

some good guest stars too! Erin Gray, Colin Baker, Sophie Aldred. Getting Chris Doohan in to play Scotty was a nice move.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 3 September 2021 13:50 (one month ago) link

Didn't know this existed. Thanks!

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 3 September 2021 13:54 (one month ago) link

Cool. How does that compare to Phase II?

Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 September 2021 14:01 (one month ago) link

oops, *not* Sophie Aldred, Nicola Bryant! Getting Ace and Peri confused. The makers were presumably Who fans, at any rate.

Lou Ferrigno plays an Orion slave trader. Guess he's used to playing green people.

How does that compare to Phase II?

Don't know. Haven't seen it.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 3 September 2021 14:07 (one month ago) link


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