Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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Because DG demanded it! Who's your favorite captain/commander: Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, or Archer? Did you read any of those books? How are the movies? Spock vs Data: who wins? Etc.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Here we go. *cracks knuckles*

Never watched the original series much (wasn't alive at the time of the originals, don't recall seeing the reruns), but became a fan of the movies when they started. Fell into things fully when TNG began (watched from the first episode to the last) and still followed those films, though after starting with both Deep Space Nine and Voyager I gave them up fully in late 1995 and never looked back. Have a couple of the, ahem, 'technical manuals' around the place but that's about it -- the other books I've avoided. Have no costumes, have always avoided any kind of conventions general or specific, take cruel pleasure in laughing at Shatner's follies in the fifth movie, as should we all (the fake MST version is the only one to see, frankly).

Unsurprisingly, Picard is my fave (I was actually a Patrick Stewart fan already), but both Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew did excellent jobs in their Sisko and Janeway roles. Scott Bakula as Archer just scares me as a concept. TNG cast my favorite ensemble bunch, though I will give it up (oh yes) for George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, Terri Farrell, Alexander Siddiq, Rene Auberjonois, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran and Robert Picardo. Data ist rad. And so forth.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I didn't demand it, I just said I was *expecting* it. I shall answer the question myself after a few more posts.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

what is this rubbish about kirk not being the best captain? i watched star trek II the other night, it is clearly the greatest film of all time. singular episodes of the original series make up my childhood. i remember my parents watching the next generation when it premiered and thinking, what is this boring crap? whereas wrath of khan scared me so bad i couldn't sleep (the bug- in-ear part, naturally). deep space nine and voyager are even worse. it's like if they made 'the prisoner: the next generation' with some bald dumbass replacing mcgoohan, and then made two more that were even worse shit. the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The official DG view:
Original Series: Classic, except for most of season 3, which was poo.
Next Generation: Dud until 'Best Of Both Worlds', then got quite good.
Deep Space Nine: Undecided, it hasn't really grabbed me but the last season is on BBC2 at the moment and that's quite good I suppose.
Voyager: Dud with occasional Classic moments.
Films: I like most of them, especially II and III, but V, VII and IX are dud.
Basically I like the original best, like Ethan it was wot I watched when a tiny (on Friday nights at my grandparents' house while parents were off doing weekly food shop), but even now I still find it is more enjoyable and has a lot more charm than recent Trek (my Trekkie aunt recently dumped her entire collection of Original Series vids and other stuff on me, not that I'm ungrateful). Voyager is, in general, a travesty (how many shuttles do they have? how many crewmen? how many times must they end up in a temporal warp/unknown energy field etc) with a few redeeming features, but I don't think that it bodes well for the future. I'll give the new Trek series a chance, but I'm almost certain it will be *even worse* than Voyager. I mean, Quantum Leap bloke? Pffff.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

it's funny how they could never emulate the visual timelessness of the original series. the wonderful set design, the flat grey interiors, the uniforms, it all seemed RIGHT. whereas all series afterwards have used beige minivan consoles with the crew wearing cheap polyester halloween costumes.

note: star trek: the motion picture looked awful. but all the ones after that were awesome. how much cooler would next generation have been if they had those burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that shit.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, red uniforms = the best. The original series is the best because the universe is just so unfriendly, not to mention the Enterprise interior decor. And the ships looked better, not interstellar Nissan Micras like they are post-TNG.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I will grant both movie II (and the ear scene in particular, freaked me out as an eleven-year-old -- Nick Meyer, the secret to success) and indeed the kick-ass burgundy uniforms, one of the best design decisions of the entire sequence. However, though there's easily enough ham- handedness in the later series to offset the ones in the original and all, where Ethan and DG see Goodness and Rightness, I see...well, a sixties TV series. For some this is enough, but not me. And I'll take the bald motherfucker, thank you. Kirk got his ass kicked by a bearded guy pretending to be God, Picard took on the Borg several times and won. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Problem with that is, Ned, I like 60s TV series. I like the original because it's good campy fun, whereas I find TNG and after a bit too serious for their own good. And they wear silly uniforms. And Picard is a Frenchman with an English accent, which is silly.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Oh, I don't mind The Avengers and the like. But though sf is always not so much a projection of the future as an encapsulation of obsessions of the now, I find the disjunction between what the original series is and what it is supposed to be hard to deal with. Everything since then does indeed take itself more seriously, a reflection of the inevitable result of its popularity (you can just as easily argue that Star Wars suffers from the same problem, if it is one). Yet somehow that appeals to me more. The inevitable end result was actually Babylon 5, where a serious, overarching story was paramount (but which I could never stand myself, because for the most part the acting was so freakin' bad).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Then we'll have to politely agree to disagree, then. I've never seen Babylon 5, so I couldn't comment on that.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

DG: watching babylon 5 is like getting the ear thing, only not as interesting.

ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

you think picard is tougher than picard.

I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

grr, you know what i meant, i was just blinded by rage .

that riker transporter twin episode is some stupid shit though.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

speaking of riker, here's an important point i forgot to make, NUMBER OF HATABLE CHARACTERS PER SERIES:

original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.

next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.

deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.

voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?

evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

KIrk could kick picard's ass any day. Kirk was like a slutty brawling egotist and picard was an anal retentive bald french yuppie. I bet Spock coul d beat up data too. He would use some weird Vulcan technique. Bones was so much more likeable and tougher than that redhaired shit doctor on next generation. Wesley crusher was such a stupid littel prick. I'll take Chekov over him anyday. And I dug Uhurus sexy legs, She was a hootchie mama in that miniskirt

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I agree that Wesley should have been killed. Very very very VERY FUCKING SLOWLY.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Kirk boffed green alien slave girls with cleavage one could ski down. That alone made him cooler than any subsequent Captain. Other than him, my favorite Star Trek character was Q (what an asshole! what's there not to love about Q?)

All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Chekov wasn't so bad in the TV series. He was essential because he had the greatest scream, which talent always came in handy when some breed of nasty aliens had some fiendish torture device. Ergo, Chekov = classic.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

q was awesome, yeah, but just because he made fun of picard. the whole concept was ripped off from that original series episode with the godlike alien who turns out to be just a spoiled kid, and that storyline is better than anything that ever had q in it anyway.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Does knowing the difference between a trekker and a trekkie and then claiming you're a trekker instantly make you a trekkie?

I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.

John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

everyone likes ricardo montalban, no?

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

D U D!

How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")

In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)

It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.

But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.

And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.

And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?

And why was it always so fucking BORING?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

star trek. sanctimonious. surely not? heh heh heh

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Voyager totally kicks the ass of *all* previous incarnations. Because Voyager slash fiction features 7of9, who iz meh on- screen, sexwise, but as a conceptual device in print iz rowr

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

What is the point of Riker? What the hell is his 'schtick'?

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The point of Riker was to dilute the Wesley Hatred. This plan backfired when Wesley left and Riker grew a smug beard, turning him into one of the worst things ever. I kept hoping that he and Troi would get sucked into a black hole.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I could tolerate Troi's psychobabble only because of her cleavage. And her ass. Other than that, she was useless.

Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I second the post about Troi's assets! The 'psychobabble' thing was hilarious - somebody's biting their nails quickly and their eyes are darting around the room, and Troi's insight is, "He is obviously nervous and anxious about something."

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

orig.Star Trek composer = v.influenced by Varese... hey, like someone else TS has a tatse for, methinks?

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

dan, you're scaring me now.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink


Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (sixteen years ago) Permalink


Variety reports that Kurtzman has inked a $25 million deal with CBS as part of a five-year plan to bring more Trek shows to TV in the wake of Discovery’s success. According to the site, five series are currently in early development:

A teen-oriented series set at Starfleet Academy from Stephanie Savage and Josh Schwartz, the duo behind the recent Dynsasty reboot and Marvel’s Runaways adaptation
A limited series with a currently confidential plot
A limited series based around the beloved character Khan, from the original Star Trek and the classic film The Wrath of Khan—something that’s been rumored for a while as being spearheaded by Wrath of Khan director Nicholas Meyer
An animated series with another currently confidential plot

However, The Hollywood Reporter might have details on at least one of those mysterious limited series. The trade reports that one show in Kurtzman’s new deal could bring back one of Trek’s most beloved characters: Sir Patrick Stewart’s Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

According to THR, both Kurtzman and producer Akiva Goldsman (who departed Discovery after its first season) are attached to the series, which would be lead by Stewart reprising his role as Picard.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 17:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I'm a little skeptical about another iteration of rehashing, but also a little happy that it's not ~another~ TOS rehash, and one that involves Picard (yay!).

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

they should bring picard back to do 30 minute flute lessons filmed like an instructional video

Paramount can have that one for free

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:21 (eleven months ago) Permalink

patrick stewart turns 78 next month

mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

star trek is one of the only good things left in the world.

ian, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:37 (eleven months ago) Permalink

except for neelix

mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:38 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i've decided that orci was the brains and kurtzman was the scapegoat for when things fell apart. like peter guber and jon peters.

adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

patrick stewart turns 78 next month

and he looks like he’s got another couple of decades left in him tbh

CARL MARKS PRINCIPAL INVESTING AND ADVISORY SERVICES (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Great! But I am very very much not up for any sort of "comes back to die" Han Solo story.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 21:26 (eleven months ago) Permalink

nominating bg to play young picard

mh, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 21:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

tfw when the line between a compliment and a male pattern baldness joke is so fine as to be nonexistent

topless from 11am (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 22:55 (eleven months ago) Permalink

We watched ST movie #1 last night. I fell asleep after spock flew into the alien thingy sphincter in his spacesuit. I had no idea that movie was 2001-level paced.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 23:55 (eleven months ago) Permalink

at his age shouldn't picard be like manning a desk at starfleet high command or whatever they call it, or being president of france or something

j., Wednesday, 20 June 2018 00:38 (eleven months ago) Permalink

xxp I was thinking more about how you'd look in spandex

mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 01:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

let me assure you, it would not be good

topless from 11am (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 12:16 (eleven months ago) Permalink

so a limited Khan series would be about... the eugenics wars of the 1990s? or the 15 years he was marooned by Kirk?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 12:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

also maybe cast an actual Asian actor this time

(and then deal with villain stereotype questions)

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 12:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink

how ubermensch was khan even meant to be? he didn’t seem all that in WoK

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 21 June 2018 02:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Well he was 60 by then. Have you seen "Space Seed"?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 June 2018 03:45 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yeah I havent and having just read the plot of it, that answers me question!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 21 June 2018 03:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

(we are rescreening all the films at the mo, I've never even seen any of the OG ones cept bits of Wrath of Khan in high school)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 21 June 2018 03:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

ST:TMP (#1) is the only standalone movie I could love, and its the only one that really captured the sense of awe and wonder I think was Roddenberry's aim. While I'm still enraptured by the Spock EVA sequence, 3 minutes flying about admiring the new Enterprise model is too much for even me. There are some good fanedits.

Chaos reigns... in my pants (Sanpaku), Thursday, 21 June 2018 04:23 (eleven months ago) Permalink

YEah same, though I appreciated what they were doing.

It took me far far too long to get the Voyager joke and then, to also realise thats what futurama were taking the mick out of with their V_GINY episode. Geez is there anything that show did not rip off Trek!?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 21 June 2018 04:51 (eleven months ago) Permalink

sure a middle-aged or older man is the peak human. just ask nearly any of them

mh, Thursday, 21 June 2018 13:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yay wonderful me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 June 2018 13:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

There is a comic series that traces the lines between proud-in-defeat Khan at the end of Space Seed to seething-hair-metal Khan in ST:II that isn't bad!

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 21 June 2018 18:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

as long as they're insistent on rebooting everything, patrick stewart would make for a great kodos the executioner

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 21 June 2018 18:06 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I don't know if the continual reliance on the old series/movies merely indicated the play-it-safe template of corporate entertainment or the lack of creativity of those who've inherited the train set.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 June 2018 18:29 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Little column a, little column b.

Hey guys, if you have a franchise with 'Star' in the title, it might behoove you to eventually move beyond sixteen characters who are constantly bumping into each other's asses regardless of where they happen to be in the boundless galaxy.

Rep. Bob Excellentfrappuccino (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 June 2018 18:33 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Unless the aforementioned is in reference to a single star around which revolves a tiny planet that can only sustain a total of sixteen lifeforms, in which case carry on.

Rep. Bob Excellentfrappuccino (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 June 2018 18:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I wonder if it's largely JJ's fault. Since he wasn't a Trekkie to begin with, TOS fandom was the one that was most accessible to him, and given its initial success, everyone else following him has been locked into the TOS era.

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Thursday, 21 June 2018 18:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

its initial success == the success of the first reboot movie

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Thursday, 21 June 2018 18:54 (eleven months ago) Permalink

It's not JJ but ST:Enterprise that is the gift horse that keeps giving in the forced nostalgia dept.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 21 June 2018 18:57 (eleven months ago) Permalink

3 minutes flying about admiring the new Enterprise model is too much for even me.

I'm paraphrasing and I can't remember where I read this (maybe even in this thread), but someone said this scene makes more sense when you consider it had been 10 years since anyone had seen new footage of the Enterprise.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 21 June 2018 19:45 (eleven months ago) Permalink

st:tmp endless effects scenes surely exist because no one had ever seen *anything* star trek other than on a tv set featuring mid-60's effects. so, you know, check out the new enterprise, new klingons in their new spaceships, the special effects we can afford, etc.

also shooting for some kind of 2001 heaviness

chinavision!, Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:44 (eleven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the sounds of TOS sound designer Douglas Grindstaff (RIP)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Somehow I didn't notice that Michael Chabon is on the writing staff for the Picard mini.

Captain Hardchord (Leee), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 19:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

A quick note that the two new SHORT TREKS (ha) are both worth watching and very TNG-y.

In the first story, Tilly gets a Wesley Crusher C-story about a runaway alien child. It's still good!

The second was written by Chabon - it's a trifle, but it's probably the best Trek thing I've seen since "All Good Things". (I didn't watch DS9).

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:38 (seven months ago) Permalink

All Good Things is my favorite TNG so that is some high praise. Is it only available on the CBS streaming service?

But do check out DS9, I actually prefer it to TNG, and it holds up way better.

I Got Stopped By a Lady Cop on my Automobileee (Leee), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:06 (seven months ago) Permalink

It's t0rr3ntable, for sure

It's not *quite* up there with All Good Things, but it's just very *right* without being a rehash of something I've seen in Trek before. It's more like an "Inner Light" in miniature.

I will definitely watch DS9 once I've made it through my TNG rewatch, but I've been on that for three years and I'm still on season 4...

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:14 (seven months ago) Permalink

dooooo it Chuck

Nhex, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Finally watched "Calypso," it is a gem!

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:27 (six months ago) Permalink

this is canon now.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 December 2018 03:20 (six months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

In explaining her approach to politics as a black Democratic woman in a state controlled by white Republican men, she devotes several pages to a pivotal scene from “Peak Performance,” an episode from “Star Trek: The Next Generation.”

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2019 19:37 (three months ago) Permalink

That is awesome! But:

She said “Deep Space Nine,” which was set on a space station, would go lower on her list of favorites because, as she said in a Reddit thread, “I love Captain Sisko, but the ‘trek’ in Star Trek is why I am drawn to the show.”


Gaseous Clay (Leee), Thursday, 7 March 2019 20:55 (three months ago) Permalink

haha i knew that would get flagged here

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2019 21:00 (three months ago) Permalink

Such a facile dismissal of DS9 from a so-called Star Trek "fan."

DJI, Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:15 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

We were hanging out drinking, and realized Jonathan Frakes, Riker from Star Trek, and Avery Brooks, who played Sisko, were sitting in a corner — basically Star Trek royalty. Riker went to the piano and sang show tunes for an hour and a half. When he was done, Sisko went up and started doing jazz, getting progressively drunker until they shut the bar down.

mookieproof, Friday, 12 April 2019 20:34 (two months ago) Permalink

that may be the least essential oral history every conceived

Number None, Monday, 15 April 2019 15:42 (two months ago) Permalink

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