Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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Because DG demanded it! Who's your favorite captain/commander: Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, or Archer? Did you read any of those books? How are the movies? Spock vs Data: who wins? Etc.

Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Here we go. *cracks knuckles*

Never watched the original series much (wasn't alive at the time of the originals, don't recall seeing the reruns), but became a fan of the movies when they started. Fell into things fully when TNG began (watched from the first episode to the last) and still followed those films, though after starting with both Deep Space Nine and Voyager I gave them up fully in late 1995 and never looked back. Have a couple of the, ahem, 'technical manuals' around the place but that's about it -- the other books I've avoided. Have no costumes, have always avoided any kind of conventions general or specific, take cruel pleasure in laughing at Shatner's follies in the fifth movie, as should we all (the fake MST version is the only one to see, frankly).

Unsurprisingly, Picard is my fave (I was actually a Patrick Stewart fan already), but both Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew did excellent jobs in their Sisko and Janeway roles. Scott Bakula as Archer just scares me as a concept. TNG cast my favorite ensemble bunch, though I will give it up (oh yes) for George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, Terri Farrell, Alexander Siddiq, Rene Auberjonois, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran and Robert Picardo. Data ist rad. And so forth.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't demand it, I just said I was *expecting* it. I shall answer the question myself after a few more posts.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what is this rubbish about kirk not being the best captain? i watched star trek II the other night, it is clearly the greatest film of all time. singular episodes of the original series make up my childhood. i remember my parents watching the next generation when it premiered and thinking, what is this boring crap? whereas wrath of khan scared me so bad i couldn't sleep (the bug- in-ear part, naturally). deep space nine and voyager are even worse. it's like if they made 'the prisoner: the next generation' with some bald dumbass replacing mcgoohan, and then made two more that were even worse shit. the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The official DG view:
Original Series: Classic, except for most of season 3, which was poo.
Next Generation: Dud until 'Best Of Both Worlds', then got quite good.
Deep Space Nine: Undecided, it hasn't really grabbed me but the last season is on BBC2 at the moment and that's quite good I suppose.
Voyager: Dud with occasional Classic moments.
Films: I like most of them, especially II and III, but V, VII and IX are dud.
Basically I like the original best, like Ethan it was wot I watched when a tiny (on Friday nights at my grandparents' house while parents were off doing weekly food shop), but even now I still find it is more enjoyable and has a lot more charm than recent Trek (my Trekkie aunt recently dumped her entire collection of Original Series vids and other stuff on me, not that I'm ungrateful). Voyager is, in general, a travesty (how many shuttles do they have? how many crewmen? how many times must they end up in a temporal warp/unknown energy field etc) with a few redeeming features, but I don't think that it bodes well for the future. I'll give the new Trek series a chance, but I'm almost certain it will be *even worse* than Voyager. I mean, Quantum Leap bloke? Pffff.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

it's funny how they could never emulate the visual timelessness of the original series. the wonderful set design, the flat grey interiors, the uniforms, it all seemed RIGHT. whereas all series afterwards have used beige minivan consoles with the crew wearing cheap polyester halloween costumes.

note: star trek: the motion picture looked awful. but all the ones after that were awesome. how much cooler would next generation have been if they had those burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that shit.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, red uniforms = the best. The original series is the best because the universe is just so unfriendly, not to mention the Enterprise interior decor. And the ships looked better, not interstellar Nissan Micras like they are post-TNG.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I will grant both movie II (and the ear scene in particular, freaked me out as an eleven-year-old -- Nick Meyer, the secret to success) and indeed the kick-ass burgundy uniforms, one of the best design decisions of the entire sequence. However, though there's easily enough ham- handedness in the later series to offset the ones in the original and all, where Ethan and DG see Goodness and Rightness, I see...well, a sixties TV series. For some this is enough, but not me. And I'll take the bald motherfucker, thank you. Kirk got his ass kicked by a bearded guy pretending to be God, Picard took on the Borg several times and won. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Problem with that is, Ned, I like 60s TV series. I like the original because it's good campy fun, whereas I find TNG and after a bit too serious for their own good. And they wear silly uniforms. And Picard is a Frenchman with an English accent, which is silly.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I don't mind The Avengers and the like. But though sf is always not so much a projection of the future as an encapsulation of obsessions of the now, I find the disjunction between what the original series is and what it is supposed to be hard to deal with. Everything since then does indeed take itself more seriously, a reflection of the inevitable result of its popularity (you can just as easily argue that Star Wars suffers from the same problem, if it is one). Yet somehow that appeals to me more. The inevitable end result was actually Babylon 5, where a serious, overarching story was paramount (but which I could never stand myself, because for the most part the acting was so freakin' bad).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Then we'll have to politely agree to disagree, then. I've never seen Babylon 5, so I couldn't comment on that.

DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

DG: watching babylon 5 is like getting the ear thing, only not as interesting.

ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

you think picard is tougher than picard.

I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

grr, you know what i meant, i was just blinded by rage .

that riker transporter twin episode is some stupid shit though.

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

speaking of riker, here's an important point i forgot to make, NUMBER OF HATABLE CHARACTERS PER SERIES:

original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.

next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.

deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.

voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?

evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?

ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

KIrk could kick picard's ass any day. Kirk was like a slutty brawling egotist and picard was an anal retentive bald french yuppie. I bet Spock coul d beat up data too. He would use some weird Vulcan technique. Bones was so much more likeable and tougher than that redhaired shit doctor on next generation. Wesley crusher was such a stupid littel prick. I'll take Chekov over him anyday. And I dug Uhurus sexy legs, She was a hootchie mama in that miniskirt

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree that Wesley should have been killed. Very very very VERY FUCKING SLOWLY.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Kirk boffed green alien slave girls with cleavage one could ski down. That alone made him cooler than any subsequent Captain. Other than him, my favorite Star Trek character was Q (what an asshole! what's there not to love about Q?)

All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Chekov wasn't so bad in the TV series. He was essential because he had the greatest scream, which talent always came in handy when some breed of nasty aliens had some fiendish torture device. Ergo, Chekov = classic.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

q was awesome, yeah, but just because he made fun of picard. the whole concept was ripped off from that original series episode with the godlike alien who turns out to be just a spoiled kid, and that storyline is better than anything that ever had q in it anyway.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Does knowing the difference between a trekker and a trekkie and then claiming you're a trekker instantly make you a trekkie?

I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.

John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

everyone likes ricardo montalban, no?

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

D U D!

How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")

In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)

It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.

But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.

And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.

And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?

And why was it always so fucking BORING?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

star trek. sanctimonious. surely not? heh heh heh

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Voyager totally kicks the ass of *all* previous incarnations. Because Voyager slash fiction features 7of9, who iz meh on- screen, sexwise, but as a conceptual device in print iz rowr

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What is the point of Riker? What the hell is his 'schtick'?

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The point of Riker was to dilute the Wesley Hatred. This plan backfired when Wesley left and Riker grew a smug beard, turning him into one of the worst things ever. I kept hoping that he and Troi would get sucked into a black hole.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I could tolerate Troi's psychobabble only because of her cleavage. And her ass. Other than that, she was useless.

Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I second the post about Troi's assets! The 'psychobabble' thing was hilarious - somebody's biting their nails quickly and their eyes are darting around the room, and Troi's insight is, "He is obviously nervous and anxious about something."

dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

orig.Star Trek composer = v.influenced by Varese... hey, like someone else TS has a tatse for, methinks?

mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

dan, you're scaring me now.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link


Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

DJI, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 20:20 (seven months ago) link

I like how Patrick Stewart de-emphasizes it most of the time.

wasdnous (abanana), Saturday, 13 June 2020 16:05 (seven months ago) link

To celebrate #StarTrekUnited, stream Star Trek's most culturally impactful episodes FREE at the locations below:
- CBS:
- Twitch:
- PlutoTV:

— CBS All Access (@CBSAllAccess) June 17, 2020

personally i always thought the one where spock mind-melds with the horta was super culturally impactful

j., Wednesday, 17 June 2020 16:42 (seven months ago) link

Devil in the Dark would be on my list, too.

Millsner, Friday, 19 June 2020 11:59 (seven months ago) link

I think at some point I'll order CBS for a month and binge all the ST content at once.

DJI, Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:49 (six months ago) link

it takes a lot longer than a month to do them all

j., Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:51 (six months ago) link

did they really need to name their sitcom after my favorite tng episode

wasdnous (abanana), Thursday, 2 July 2020 22:16 (six months ago) link

And now the trailer:

I loled in a few places, I'll admit.

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:52 (six months ago) link

patrick stewart is 80 today

mookieproof, Monday, 13 July 2020 20:55 (six months ago) link

so there's a guy on youtube who made a trilogy of three hour long star trek videos, voiced entirely by himself, and they all feature holodeck scenes in his meticulous recreations of price is right sets

— cuggy (@frknbns) July 12, 2020

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:56 (six months ago) link

Wow. I couldn’t locate the full length videos.

Isolde mein Herz zum Junker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 July 2020 21:43 (six months ago) link

here's the first one, from the twitter thread

wasdnous (abanana), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 01:59 (six months ago) link

So the re-run of the Original Series has just finished, so many episodes I hadn't seen before, not many of them very good, the third season as a whole was pretty feeble.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:35 (six months ago) link

... I suspect they're going to re-run the whole thing again from tomorrow.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:35 (six months ago) link

They just loop them, they've already shown them all at least twice. Quite right too, beats all the shitty made for TV lol cgi monster movies that make up most of the rest of their daytime schedule

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 11:28 (six months ago) link

Every single day, immediately after Star Trek, there's a cheap crappy disaster movie made within the last decade, usually within the last 5 years, there's thousands of the fuckers!

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 11:36 (six months ago) link

I rewatched "Cause and Effect" and it kind of bummed me out thinking that just after the episode ends they're going to tell Kelsey Grammer and his crew that they're 80 years in the future and everyone they've ever known is dead. Would have been interesting if they'd done anything to follow up on that.

JoeStork, Monday, 3 August 2020 03:42 (five months ago) link

Actually I guess given the extended lifetimes that's not true, but they've been presumed dead in their loved ones' minds for 75 years probably.

JoeStork, Monday, 3 August 2020 03:44 (five months ago) link

Anyone watch Lower Decks yet?

Garry Shambling (Leee), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:04 (five months ago) link

I never started watching ST:TNG until season 3 or 4 when it originally aired, but I've started rewatching from the beginning on Netflix. "Encounter at Farpoint" is decent, but the two after that are so terrible that I'm really glad I already know it gets significantly better. I know the rest of S1 is pretty rough going too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 7 August 2020 18:13 (five months ago) link

Some of my favorite scenes are from the worst episodes:

Gene Roddenberry, Barrie Ingham, and Patrick Stewart sing Irish song "Phil The Fluters Ball" during the filming of "Up the Long Ladder." Michael Dorn tries his best. #StarTrek #StPatricksDay

— ➡️Spoilers After Saturday @ 9AM ET⬅️ (@TrekCore) March 17, 2018

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 August 2020 20:46 (five months ago) link


Season 1 is fascinatingly ropey and for the most part quite entertaining if you don't mind that sort of thing. "11001001" is a fun Riker/Picard hangout episode - it's actually quite rare to see them together, being informal! - and "Consipiracy" at the end of the season is a total classic, with one of the most WTF moments in the history of Trek (you'll know it when you see it).

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 August 2020 23:19 (five months ago) link

I thought this most recent revive was going to be about this:

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 August 2020 00:11 (five months ago) link

jmm, Monday, 10 August 2020 02:08 (five months ago) link

Of course Quentin Tarantino's Star Trek was based on the old-timey gangster one

wasdnous (abanana), Monday, 10 August 2020 03:13 (five months ago) link

FWIW I mildly enjoyed Lower Decks, unexpected gore and all.

Garry Shambling (Leee), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 23:52 (five months ago) link

CBS AA had been posting a bunch of Short Treks and the first episode of
Lower Decks on YouTube.

Latest episode of LD the best one so far.

Ruth Bae Ginsburg (Leee), Sunday, 23 August 2020 16:53 (five months ago) link

Latest episode of LD the best one so far.

― Ruth Bae Ginsburg (Leee), Sunday, August 23, 2020 9:53 AM bookmarkflaglink

This again. The show seems to be hitting its stride; each episode has been better than the last and the sly references were great.

Ruth Bae Ginsburg (Leee), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:29 (four months ago) link

And to put in some more effort to selling the show: It's an antidote to the vogue of current Trek to pitch everything at the most galaxy-encompassing levels, where so much of what Captain X does is quadrant-defining. Granted, that's happened with every iteration of Trek (in my favorite series, the Captain is an actual messiah), but I think this is where the episodic nature of pre-2010s Trek helps out -- mythology/arc episodes were broken up with standalones (which may still center around galaxy-threatening conflicts). With Disco and Picard, though, nearly every episode sets phasers to EPICOMGWTF! and center around the same plot.

So a show about Starfleet nerds and underachievers is kind of perfect. It's frivolous and lighthearted, but it's not trashy; it's been investing Boimler and Mariner with some real character work, as much as you can get away with in a 20-something minute cartoon that drops references to double-fisted punches.

Ruth Bae Ginsburg (Leee), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:35 (four months ago) link

I'm glad to hear LD isn't trashy. That's the last thing I want from Trek.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 6 September 2020 21:33 (four months ago) link

It’s a little trashy; at least as far as the animation and voice acting conjures American Dad.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 7 September 2020 03:55 (four months ago) link

yeah that's what steered me off it... I may check it out yet

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 7 September 2020 06:11 (four months ago) link

we have been watching LD, up until this last week’s ep i was only doing so grudgingly but it it is improving & i enjoyed it for the first time

mr veg finds it all deeply nerdy therefore v enjoyable

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 September 2020 06:16 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

We've been slowly going through Voyager, episode by episode. It's been very weird but there are some excellent episodes

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:22 (three months ago) link

I love voyager, no apols
Paris, Kim and Torres are super dud of course

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:40 (three months ago) link

I think Chakotay is the one I dislike the most.

Seven of Nine is my favorite at the moment, we're in season 4 after the Hirogen holodeck/WW2 kerfuffle.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:32 (three months ago) link

And I should say that I dislike Chakotay the most because of the truly racist way he's written, not anything else about his character, which is fine.

I dislike Paris and Torres, but have a soft spot for Kim, even tho it turns out he was the reason Kes got axed from the show...

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:36 (three months ago) link

What did Kim have to do with it? It seemed kind of obvious the writers didn't like the character and also made the decision to "swap" her out with Seven of Nine.

Nhex, Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:26 (three months ago) link

they were planning on cutting kim, but then the actor got listed in a "hottest actors" magazine listicle, so they went with kes instead.

they should have replaced half of the cast imo. so much dead weight that the writers didn't care about.

wasdnous (abanana), Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:48 (three months ago) link

Poor chakotay and the gd synth flutes that waft in whenever his ethnicity is in play
Nonetheless he is one of the assets of the show, along with the cap’m, the dr, 7, and, yes, neelix, fuck you I like neelix.

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:53 (three months ago) link

I think Ebert said something about whether he'd rather watch the actors eat dinner than watch them in the movie as a metric for how badly they're used.
I feel that applies to all the cast, but which does it apply to most?

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:59 (three months ago) link

I’m not sure I follow you exactly but my favorite Star Trek characters are exactly those whom I would rather watch having dinner

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 24 October 2020 20:49 (three months ago) link
Today is a good day to dine!

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 25 October 2020 01:27 (three months ago) link

Watching so much DS9 in recent months underscores how much more interesting Worf got when he came onto that show

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:22 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

— Valondar (@VK_HM) December 9, 2020

mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 20:37 (one month ago) link

DJI, Friday, 18 December 2020 16:07 (one month ago) link

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