― Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Never watched the original series much (wasn't alive at the time of the originals, don't recall seeing the reruns), but became a fan of the movies when they started. Fell into things fully when TNG began (watched from the first episode to the last) and still followed those films, though after starting with both Deep Space Nine and Voyager I gave them up fully in late 1995 and never looked back. Have a couple of the, ahem, 'technical manuals' around the place but that's about it -- the other books I've avoided. Have no costumes, have always avoided any kind of conventions general or specific, take cruel pleasure in laughing at Shatner's follies in the fifth movie, as should we all (the fake MST version is the only one to see, frankly).
Unsurprisingly, Picard is my fave (I was actually a Patrick Stewart fan already), but both Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew did excellent jobs in their Sisko and Janeway roles. Scott Bakula as Archer just scares me as a concept. TNG cast my favorite ensemble bunch, though I will give it up (oh yes) for George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, Terri Farrell, Alexander Siddiq, Rene Auberjonois, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran and Robert Picardo. Data ist rad. And so forth.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
note: star trek: the motion picture looked awful. but all the ones after that were awesome. how much cooler would next generation have been if they had those burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that shit.
ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.
I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)
that riker transporter twin episode is some stupid shit though.
original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.
next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.
deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.
voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?
evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?
― Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.
― John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")
In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)
It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.
But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.
And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.
And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?
And why was it always so fucking BORING?
― D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.
On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.
And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)
Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!
― JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
troi: not attractive.
crusher: nuh-uh.
troi's mom: uh.
that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.
question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.
someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.
― DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.
― anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!
― Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
he has an inner eyelid!
― mark s, Sunday, 5 June 2022 13:59 (two months ago) link
Believe I have tried work an analogy about the extra eyelid ex machina#onethread into conversation more than once.
― Double Elvis on the Dime (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 June 2022 15:47 (two months ago) link
デウス・エクス・マキナ
― Double Elvis on the Dime (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 June 2022 16:07 (two months ago) link
a mysterious alien device on a planet with a predominantly american indian culture erases captain kirk's memory, and he begins a life with them as a member of their tribe
they think he's a god and call him kirrok
he says: "my dreams about the strange lodge that passes through the sky have returned"
― mark s, Sunday, 17 July 2022 12:45 (one month ago) link
Star Blecch:
https://imgur.com/gallery/QNfDT?fbclid=IwAR3zYQgPqiz3nGNyAcFAIO6l7fun_Hz2ajWzc7jx4_PYU6qwu3Bun78po4g
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 18 July 2022 15:31 (one month ago) link
RIP to a legend pic.twitter.com/w676sHiBM0— Star Trek Minus Context (@NoContextTrek) July 25, 2022
― mookieproof, Monday, 25 July 2022 14:50 (three weeks ago) link
Flying pancake ep of TOS was the 1st sci-fi I ever saw on TV! I was a bit too young to know wtf was going on, but the image of those things falling from the ceiling stuck with me.
― Grandpont Genie, Monday, 25 July 2022 15:32 (three weeks ago) link
rip x 2
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PGMAAOSwwE5WZOwC/s-l500.jpg
― mookieproof, Monday, 25 July 2022 19:58 (three weeks ago) link
To me Warner will always be the Bab5 character in "Grail".
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 25 July 2022 23:24 (three weeks ago) link
HOW MANY LIGHTS, TRAYCE?
― mookieproof, Monday, 25 July 2022 23:32 (three weeks ago) link
I'm intrigued as to whether there is an agreed shark jumping point for Discovery or if one should just pooh pooh it from the get go. Like
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 10:12 (three weeks ago) link
Ups and downs in the first two seasons; second season is better but won't make much sense without watching the first. Third seasons starts well but then I gave up. Suggest watching the Pike/Spock/Number 1 episodes and pooh-poohing the rest.
The first season is like a season-long "Naked Now" -- everyone acts weirdly out-of-character before you get a chance to know what they're actually like (although what they're actually like isn't much of an improvement). Not sure it was a good idea to launch the first new series in a fifteen years totally in media res.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 12:41 (three weeks ago) link
I think I'll give up on Discovery, I haven't grown to like any of the characters too much, in fact I'm getting increasingly sick of some of them. I don't want to be one of those negative fan people but this and Picard have been hugely disappointing - the latter quite depressingly so. Stewart should have said no, as it turns out.
On a brighter note, Lower Decks is back soon!
― Duane Barry, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 15:41 (three weeks ago) link
Strange New Worlds is great if you've not seen that
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 16:42 (three weeks ago) link
I watched the first two episodes and liked them - I think ST still works better as an episodic series, really
― Duane Barry, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 17:07 (three weeks ago) link
Agree about Picard and Disco, and I'm indifferent to the cartoons, but Strange New Worlds is a total gem.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 20:17 (three weeks ago) link
Discovery jumped the shark immediately but there were occasional signs of life in the first couple of seasons - the doctor (sometimes), Jason Isaacs and Michelle Yeoh are fun to watch and stand out because everyone else sucks all the energy and joy out when they're on screen.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 20:21 (three weeks ago) link
DISCO kind of is two different series, the first two seasons, and the last two. The first two seasons are overly grimdark, with a lot of gore that felt gratuitous and meant simply to shock. As for the last two season, I've been struggling to articulate why I find it to be so bad. I think it's wildly inconsistent main characters, complete indifference to secondary characters, and bad long-term storytelling where characters suddenly have some interest/ability/backstory meant to only serve the immediate story beat (Saru and Michael start out as rivals with a bunch of resentment and then suddenly become BFFs, as just one example), and just really shabby sci fi writing (admittedly that's kind of Trek tradition, but it's not always been so sustained).
PIC just gets into some aimless plots and is too caught up in allegory and then "DO YOU SEE?" of it all.
Sometimes I kind of feel that DISCO and PIC both took all the wrong lessons from DS9.
― Judd Apatosaurus (Leee), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 21:46 (three weeks ago) link
I did find the first two seasons of Discovery invigoratingly ambitious with its bug-eyed determination to show it wasn’t your grandpa’s Star Trek anymore. It totally failed to land this ambition and ended up pleasing nobody, but the attempt was a wild ride. Agree the Pike/Spock stuff was good fun.
Season 3 set-up was kind of interesting? But then you could feel the energy fading as the season went on. Season 4 felt like one of those later seasons of Voyager where the franchise only existed because there kind of had to be a Star Trek show and everything felt tired and defeated.
― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 22:02 (three weeks ago) link
have never felt the slightest urge to watch Picard! nothing i have seen on here or elsewhere is making me reconsider.
― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 22:04 (three weeks ago) link
Yeah I'm more of a DISCO fan than many but it was really up and down.
- Klingon war plot: bad and confusing (and that FONT)- Michelle Yeoh and Jason Isaacs: good- mirror universe baddies: awesome- Stamets and the spore drive plot: started off annoying, got really iteresting esp when Culver "died"- red star/Spock/Pike section: engaging and interesting story- Section 31/Control plot: this needed a lot more expanding. Needs a spin off! What the hell was all this about, it seemed important then just went pffft- initial jump to future: some fun bits with the nasty courier dude and Books story- the rest: it just... sort of went all over the place. The Burn's cause was stupid, the planet destroying black hole or whatever was stupid, the constant feelings an crying and whispering was stupid. Tarka had potential but ended up annoying. Gah!
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 05:17 (three weeks ago) link
Oh I forgot all about the Ash plot! I liked him.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 05:18 (three weeks ago) link
klingons themselves were also pretty wtf for a while in Disco toobut yeah i think i was s1 first half: uhh no?s1 2nd half: wait, ok YESs2: Hell Yes!s3: wait. this? no. s4: please stop with this. like they just kept doubling down on everything that annoyed me or so it seemed lmao i do still like the characters tho?i just want them to get to do more like, missiony story stuff and less therapy. or how about NO therapy
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 05:29 (three weeks ago) link
I have completely blanked out on how the planet destroyer super alien edge of the galaxy plotline shook out
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 05:52 (three weeks ago) link
The future jump would have been a perfect moment for them to switch gears into episodic adventures - what better situation for a lot of non-universe-in-the-balance problems and how the only spore drive ship in existence can help solve them!
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 05:54 (three weeks ago) link
Tie for worst scene: weepy eulogies for Space Hitler vs. "I feel seen"
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 05:59 (three weeks ago) link
That “I feel seen” was a low point of not just Star Trek but all human cultural activity ever
― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 06:42 (three weeks ago) link
That and "you got this".
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 10:44 (three weeks ago) link
Maybe I'm being cantankerous but I thought the Mirror Universe stuff was bad fanservice! (Same goes for PIC even though I think technically what we saw wasn't MU.) They should've just left it as a goofy one-offs like DS9 did, not whole season-long arcs.
― Judd Apatosaurus (Leee), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 17:44 (three weeks ago) link
mirror universe was what finally got me onboard iirc
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 20:34 (three weeks ago) link
MU stuff went on too long but it started off pretty funny - dominatrix Tilly lol
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 20:37 (three weeks ago) link
give her the respect she deserves, it's KILLY
― mh, Wednesday, 27 July 2022 20:39 (three weeks ago) link
mirror universe was fun at first, and i suppose you have to go there if that's your endgame with lorca
absolutely no need to go back in s03 tho
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 July 2022 20:58 (three weeks ago) link
IMO MU is worse in DS( (Im watching DS9 at the mo). Kira's MU version is SO hammy.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 July 2022 23:57 (three weeks ago) link
Worse in DS9 that should have said.
Love hammy Kira
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 28 July 2022 00:03 (three weeks ago) link
the DS9 mirror episodes are all kind of goofy, at least, unlike 'let's teach space nazi a two-episode lesson in flashback and then have everyone mysteriously mourn her'
also everyone -- kira not at all least -- does a nice job of chewing every bit of scenery in sight
― mookieproof, Thursday, 28 July 2022 00:13 (three weeks ago) link
DS9 did a weird job of MU, but the Benny episodes and the actual time traveling to California are great
― mh, Thursday, 28 July 2022 00:22 (three weeks ago) link
Those who really like MU Tilly and, oddly, Chase Masterson’s character should try playing Star Trek Online where they’re all over the place
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 28 July 2022 03:00 (three weeks ago) link
RIP Nichelle Nichols
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 31 July 2022 20:13 (two weeks ago) link
RIP wonderful lady <3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs4mbHLAFuU
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 July 2022 20:28 (two weeks ago) link
Damn. RIP. And I was just thinking of rewatching the execrable ST V, featuring Uhura's insane fan dance. And oh crap, David Warner is in that one, as well, isn't he?
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Sunday, 31 July 2022 20:34 (two weeks ago) link
The doc about nichele nichols & integration of nasa space program- Woman In Motion - is on paramount plus & well worth a watchdrunk history version if u dont have p+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-uJOzkrJV4
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 July 2022 20:40 (two weeks ago) link
smithsonian posted a photo of her red uniform & i lost ithttps://www.instagram.com/p/CgsHKsRPgoJ/
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 July 2022 20:48 (two weeks ago) link
"Damn. RIP. And I was just thinking of rewatching the execrable ST V, featuring Uhura's insane fan dance. And oh crap, David Warner is in that one, as well, isn't he?"
He was also in VI - in which Uhura has to flip through a Klingon-English dictionary in order to answer a Klingon hail, despite the fact that (as Nichols herself pointed out to the director) she was the head of communications on Starfleet's flagship.
The films didn't utilise her very well. Even when communicating with the baddies was the focus it was done by Kirk or Spock, e.g. in The Motion Picture, where Spock works out that V'Ger is using a NASA code at a high frequency.
― Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 31 July 2022 20:49 (two weeks ago) link
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/enterprise_rollout_at_palmdale_w_star_trek_crew_sep_17_1976_0.jpg?itok=h2O-JhNy
― earlnash, Monday, 1 August 2022 01:24 (two weeks ago) link
had no idea about this which is kind of amazing
She often recalled how Martin Luther King Jr. was a fan of the show and praised her role. She met him at a civil rights gathering in 1967, at a time when she had decided not to return for the show’s second season.“When I told him I was going to miss my co-stars and I was leaving the show, he became very serious and said, ‘You cannot do that,’” she told The Tulsa (Okla.) World in a 2008 interview.“‘You’ve changed the face of television forever, and therefore, you’ve changed the minds of people,’” she said the civil rights leader told her.
“When I told him I was going to miss my co-stars and I was leaving the show, he became very serious and said, ‘You cannot do that,’” she told The Tulsa (Okla.) World in a 2008 interview.
“‘You’ve changed the face of television forever, and therefore, you’ve changed the minds of people,’” she said the civil rights leader told her.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 1 August 2022 01:41 (two weeks ago) link
She definitely was mis- and under-used a lot both in the show and the movies, but she was able to be memorable when actually given the chance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPQvVBaOx2E
I’m curious how much Celia Rose Gooding’s role on SNW has been structured to attempt to balance that out
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 1 August 2022 05:26 (two weeks ago) link
Can't find a YT of it, but Nichelle Nichols has a small, but memorable part in Mister Buddwing - a 1966 film where amnesiac James Garner wanders the streets of Manhattan in search of his identity while a hip Kenyon Hopkins soundtrack plays.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 09:50 (two weeks ago) link
she also plays the villain in the fun Isaac Hayes film Truck Turner
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 17:28 (two weeks ago) link