Is there anything the Labour Party can do to win the next election?

I still don't think they'd win, but I'd say this is the best chance they've got. However, given that Brown bottled it big time last October, it'd be pretty perverse of him to roll the dice now.

frankly they've got too much on their plate to hold an election right now. i think they'll wait for the green shoots of recovery of early 2010, should there be any.

there's a weird anti-Brown rant that's been posted up on the v large billboard spaces underneath the old railway bridge by the top of Shoreditch High St.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorow/3109564177/

I love the Daily Mail pic of Tessa in prayer:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/bobbysixer/tessa.jpg

"We’ve had it up to here with a government that says we can go on treating people like shit."

Labour's @BarryGardiner breaks down over the cost of living crisis @eiecampaign pic.twitter.com/YqseSSC1HE

— PoliticsJOE (@PoliticsJOE_UK) August 18, 2022

Barry Gardiner MP supports the Enough is Enough campaign.

DJ Martian otm - the prophetic power of systems thinking!

This is the man to save Labour: John McDonnell

― djmartian, Friday, 2 May 2008 11:11 (fourteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Is there anything the Labour Party can do to win the next election? [Started by Ned Trifle II in May 2008, last updated two hours ago by Piedie Gimbel on I Love Everything] 2 new answers
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Bingo

Sadder answer, the plan is to do nothing and rely on winning the battle of apathy in the wasteland of 2024

it's more like "cisterns thinking" with Kieth, that's where he usually hides his flask of single malt

"I know Owen, I like Owen, I'm sorry Owen... I'm not focused on Owen, I'm focused intently on winning the next general election"@Keir_Starmer reacts to being called a "professional political conman" by @OwenJones84.@theJeremyVine | #JeremyVine pic.twitter.com/kuNA15yF1i

— Jeremy Vine On 5 (@JeremyVineOn5) August 31, 2022

"I like Owen"

An odd thing here is that KS puts OJ down by saying he was a "cheerleader" for Labour's 2019 election campaign.

KS, unlike OJ, was literally on the platform for the launch of Labour's 2019 election campaign. (I, unusually, was there!)

just found out that the owner of ex-alpaca Geronimo genuinely made a graphic for today where she called him "The Peoples Alpaca" pic.twitter.com/b7Wteunce0

— Alice Lia Maro (@slimelia) August 31, 2022

next he'll be saying he actually tried to save Geronimo

KS saved geronimo from having to watch the world fall into ghastly ruin

yeah they've probably already started eating his buddies

'We all know what it's like with teenage children and I feel very strongly about this...this argument that children can make decisions without the consent of parents is one I just don't agree with at all' https://t.co/U1y6V1PvVZ pic.twitter.com/UNGy8fQA3C

— j (@jrc1921) November 1, 2022

KS very animated here as he springs into life to make a statement. You can judge the statement for yourself.

There's something wrong with that room and the people in it

starmer at least had previously publicly said the right things on trans rights despite refusing to do anything about duffield & co. but coming out against gillick competence (does he even know he's doing that?) is extraordinarily bleak.

kier starmer take the budd dwyer challenge u coward

I spent my 20s thinking of myself as "lucky" because I was only thrown out for two days after I was outed to my parents as gay. Had it been that I was trans, I would have been lucky to even make it to homelessness because of my stepdad's bigotry. This is the kind of thing that could directly lead to the deaths of trans teenagers.

Keir Starmer has given an interview to Justine Roberts, the founder of parenting and anti trans message board Mumsnet.

Here is everything Keir Starmer said about trans topics to Mumsnet.

1/17

— What The Trans!? (WhatTheTrans.com) (@WhatTheTrans) November 1, 2022

whole lot more bullshit from him here

after all this i'm labor to be whipped to abstain when the tories make their recently announced move to gut existing legal protections for trans people

thinking of all the shitty wretched nights I spent at Boys Brigade football practice and so on, just being miserable and easily targeted by peers, at the insistence of a parent who thought the best thing for me was to suffer that in a pathetic attempt to become more masculine (spoiler: it didn't work, I'm still fabulous) - it was awful, and I didn't even have it that bad at all in comparative terms.

He's an amoral right-wing social conservative and he's very bad at hiding it at the best of times. But he's certainly not going to try too hard to hide it when he's talking to mumsnet. He'll throw anyone under a bus this cunt - especially now he feels like the next GE is going to be winnable.

djmartian at 11:11 2 May 08

This is the man to save Labour: John McDonnell

oops quoted two months ago ha ha still tho

McD get's a lot of shit from the left and he certainly isn't above criticism. But I sure do miss him, especially after seeing that video above.

Despicable, pathetic little man.

read that the mumsnet transphobes weren't appeased by this anyway because Starmer said kids could still socially transition with parental approval, whereas they don't think anyone should ever be allowed to transition ever. so once again he's appealed to nobody.

a lot of this stuff is an effort to appeal to or signal to people who might be broadly sympathetic to voting Labour and just want him to offer the fig leaf. the same applies when he tries to woo the LBGTQ+ community, trade unions, people who fondly remember the Labour Party etc

xp ofc, Stella Creasy did a q&a on there and every single question was about it, absolute lunacy

No point in trying to please fanatics arguing from a deranged position of personal identity, you can never ever appease them enough. Better to just say what you think, although like his forebear Blair Starmer appears to think nothing whatsoever other than a vague sense of patriotic authoritarianism.

I think these people are (usually implicitly) arguing from a *collective* identity of aggrieved middle class whiteness not from unique personal identity - that's the only reason powerful men give a shit about what they have to say after all

pic.twitter.com/WlW0Yv3c93

— Dr Unpleasant #EnoughIsEnough (@drunpleasant) November 18, 2022

Rachel Reeves once took a ball off a kid at an engagement party and threw it over the back fence before shouting at the kid and making them cry, then shouting at their parents as well. The parents ended up making a "her or us" at the wedding ultimatum to the engaged couple.

— Sii (@skippy_0h) November 18, 2022

this ghoul makes Jeremy Hunt seem like a human being... yeah I know!

He's not only one of the best MPs in Parliament and a fierce champion of the working class, but he's also an amazing friend and comrade.

I'm honestly so thrilled @IanByrneMP has been reselected as the Labour MP for Liverpool West Derby 🥳❤️ pic.twitter.com/3eNcyitH5e

— Zarah Sultana MP (@zarahsultana) November 20, 2022

this saved me organising my thoughts

I think that SCG M.P.s are often less bad personally but their presence lends legitimacy to the Labour machine that will ultimately grind them into paste.

That said, it is fun to see Harpin, Akehurst, and assorted Briefcase Enthusiasts eat shit every once in a while.

— Kier Hardly (@KeirWillow) November 20, 2022

that's about the only good thing about it, even with the odds heavily stacked in their favour these ghouls can't even manage a stitch-up properly

Quite an interesting piece on the politics of that seat.

https://www.livpost.co.uk/p/ian-byrne-fights-for-survival

"Crick believes there is a “lot of resentment” from the Corbyn years, when left-wing candidates were parachuted into seats"

except this never actually happened

not only did it not happen, but they didn't expel any of the right wing scumbags who are running amok now ffs

Michael Crick still has a job has he?

His current job sounds made-up.

“…michael crick?”

Yeah, right wing scumbags accusing Corbyn and/or Momentum of doing all the stuff they really should have been doing but didn't is a thing

Don't think that's what Lab left should've been doing. It's really petty, very locally factional stuff, picking one member at a time. The couple is constantly fighting, when divorce is an option.

I don't know how you would go about this but maybe it would be a re-drawing of the party constitution. Maybe mass taking away of whips from some of the worst MPs and some that might be ok but are landlords, or have interests, for example. Jobs jobs 'Unions' like GMB are toxic and would be kicked out too. The problem is it would make it smaller at first, you'd maybe lose an election or two but overtime it's organised into something worthwhile with a coherent set of policies.

https://t.co/Q9S4AUq57O pic.twitter.com/rBODuLAP5P

— the penny respecter (@ChrisKPH) November 26, 2022

coke and sublime

The 56D chess game continues pic.twitter.com/gbQMlLX2hU

— j (@jrc1921) November 29, 2022