Is there anything the Labour Party can do to win the next election?

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Seriously. The local election results are terrible for the Labour Party and they have a maximum of 2 years to turn around what looks like a huge Conservative lead. So suggestions pleas (and none of yer "what they should have done is...". That's no good to me, I want to know what they should do now.

Firstly, I say get rid of Brown.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 2 May 2008 08:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I think they're fucked. But they could turn that to their advantage - they're going down now, so why not try some left-wing policies in the time they have left? I'm thinking bringing back the 10p band coupled with a 50p band for very high earners. They'll lose the south in the next election, but short of Cameron, Osbourne, and Boris found snorting coke off a woman's body, they're going to do that anyway. And perhaps not even then.

Plus: there has never been a better time to change First Past The Post. The Tories may cry bloody murder over it, but if Scotland does become independent, Labour are going to need some sort of strategy to try and overcome the Conservative advantage in England, and PR might just help...

carson dial, Friday, 2 May 2008 08:14 (fourteen years ago) link

They need better PR, sure.

Mark G, Friday, 2 May 2008 08:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Sit tight. Two years to go. Fuck a local election.

Tom D., Friday, 2 May 2008 08:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Firstly, I say get rid of Brown

1) who'd take his place?
2) it's the prime minister we're talking about -- this isn't like the tories changing leader every five minutes until they got someone who could vaguely keep them in line.
3) it's not as if the dude who came before him was exactly mr popularity by the end, is it?

i'd say that's the worst thing they could do. if they want to survive, they keep brown, keep quiet about how they don't like him, and try to act like a party rather than a bunch of squabbling wanks.

i'm in a weird position here. this time last year, i couldn't wait to get labour out of government in scotland. 12 months on, i'm still delighted about that: sure, the SNP have been far from perfect but even on the most basic level -- ie actually being positive about scotland -- they're a glorious change. (i do fear they're beginning to discover there's a big cash gap between talk and action, but ... we'll see.)

problem is, as i said on the mayoral thread: in scotland in 2007, the SNP were labour's natural successors. in wales in 2008, it seems to be the lib dems. but in england, it's the fucking tories.

which puts me in a dilemma. on the one hand, as tom and i have noted on the other thread: a tory england is the best advert possible for scottish independence, which is something i'm not exactly zealous about but think -- on balance -- is the best possible way forward (albeit within the context of a loosely federal UK).

but: i'm english. i was born in the south and brought up in the north-west. right now, we're still one big unhappy UK. and i just cannot countenance the idea of those fucking tory cunts getting back into power in any way, shape or form, even if it might help bring about a better future for scotland in the long run.

gah. i'm off to the gym to take out some of this frustration.

grimly fiendish, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:13 (fourteen years ago) link

No, there's next to nothing they can do bar something popping up that utterly discredits Cameron. Maybe banking on a hung Parliament and wooing the LibDems as much as possible, but I think we're past that point now.

Who would they replace Brown with? And why would anyone take seriously a party that let him into power unopposed and then axed him as soon as the going got tough?

Labour not getting any more unpopular kind of hinges on the economy not getting any worse, as well.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:15 (fourteen years ago) link

At this stage in the Tories' third term (May 1990) Kinnock's Labour absolutely thrashed Thatcher's Conservatives in the local elections (equivalent national vote of Lab 44%, Con 33%, LD 17%). The Tories were introducing unpopular new ideas (e.g. poll tax) and losing their image for control over their traditional strengths: running the economy (house prices were already crashing and the economy was slipping into recession) and law and order (huge poll tax riots and Strangeways prison out of control). Even Middle England had had enough and decided it was time for a change. But two years later they somehow won the general election. So, it's not impossible...

...but I really can't see it happening. The Tories were able to meet that feeling of 'time for a change' by ditching Thatcher. Blair has already gone and Brown's honeymoon was very shortlived. There isn't anyone else left to take over.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:20 (fourteen years ago) link

The T's went through leader after leader, trying to find someone 'nice' that the GenPub can like.

Funnily enough, the T's generally don't like Cameron.

Mark G, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't really think IDS or Michael Howard were attempts by the Tories to find someone 'nice' that the general public would like.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, an independent Scotland will mean we'll be stuck with the tories for ever, so thanks but no thanks.

And as for Brown, the man is useless. He's no good as leader. he doesn't fuckin' lead! I say we cut our losses and dump him. It really doesn't matter who you have to replace him. Look at Cameron, he's a fucking empty vessel. Just get some half good looking youngster in to spout inanities and keep the masses happy. Give 'em some flannel about immigration and crime. It clearly doensn't matter if it makes sense or not. People don't want to hear complicated theories about Britishness or citizenship or the balance of trade they just want someone who can string a couple of soundbites and a crappy zing together.

Why would the voters think better of a party that hangs on to their biggest liability. Hasn't anyone seen The Apprentice?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude, people hate the party now, not just the leadership. Putting a pretty boy out front isn't going to make much difference.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link

IDS and Howard were both cases of "someone has to do it"

Howard wasn't even trying to wih the election last time.

Mark G, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, I don't believe for one second Cameron is just "an empty fucking vessel" - Labour were guilty of underestimating him for much of last year and it blew up in their faces.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, an independent Scotland will mean we'll be stuck with the tories for ever, so thanks but no thanks.

Not up to you, is it?

Tom D., Friday, 2 May 2008 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Funnily enough, the T's generally don't like Cameron

But they don't care because they want power and think that once he's in he'll revert to the Right. Which he probably will.

Dude, people hate the party now, not just the leadership. Putting a pretty boy out front isn't going to make much difference

So, why stick with him?

Also, I don't believe for one second Cameron is just "an empty fucking vessel"

What are his policies then?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:33 (fourteen years ago) link

He's got plenty of policies but he's not about to tell anyone about them, if he doesn't have to

Tom D., Friday, 2 May 2008 09:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Labour have absolutely no chance of winning the 2010 election. The only strategy they could have employed would have been to call a June 2007 election - I have absolutely no idea why they did not do this

laxalt, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I wondered how long it would be before Laxalt came along and told us what WE SHOULD HAVE DONE.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Got a labour party membership card have we?

Ed, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:37 (fourteen years ago) link

'we'?

laxalt, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Jol out.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:38 (fourteen years ago) link

OK now that laxalt has spoken I am confident Labour will win the next election

Tom D., Friday, 2 May 2008 09:39 (fourteen years ago) link

They would have won in November 2007 as well.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:40 (fourteen years ago) link

November they would have won also yes. Wasn't consensus on here that he fluffed in not calling last autumn?

Tom D it is good you are feeling confident. Perhaps a trip to the bookies might be in order

laxalt, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Any more tips?

Tom D., Friday, 2 May 2008 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Look's bad but I don't think it's unsalvageable. Though a lot will depend on external factors, most importantly how the economy copes in the next couple of years. If they can sort out the Northern Rock problem before the next election that would be a major filip to their reputation.

The most important thing is that Brown should be seen to be doing something, the charges are that he's a ditherer and ducks the issues are corrosive. Elector's may forgive a government going through a bad patch, they won't forgive a leader who stands back and (is seen) to do nothing about it.

Billy Dods, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:51 (fourteen years ago) link

summary of "honeymoon period/feelgood factor"

When you are ahead in the polls, things look nice.

But, call an election like NOW based on those figures, and the honeymoon/feelgood VANISHES!

This is why no-one's been dumb enough to try it.

So, what to do? Get Ant and Dec to take over as partyleader.

Mark G, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Not be crap?

Yes, only if Labor could replace Brown with someone slightly less terrible but I wouldn't know where to find him or her.

Oh well, enjoy your future New Modern Tory nightmare everyone. Except for our viewers in Scotland.

King Boy Pato, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Ant and Dec = tainted by corruption scandals

Tom D., Friday, 2 May 2008 09:57 (fourteen years ago) link

At the moment I can't see the next labour leader being anything but a milliband and I can't see one winning much either.

Ed, Friday, 2 May 2008 09:58 (fourteen years ago) link

The problem is there is a growing awareness that the current economic problems -- which cannot be salvaged before a 2010 election (and are arguably being made worse by the actions of the last 6 months), are largely of Browns own making (yes other countries followed similar paths and are also in similar positions).

The spin is to put the blame for current economic situation on 'american subprime' which Brown raises constantly in order to deflect blame. His worst problem though is the fact that he is not good at covering this up, is not good at concealing it, he looks like a condemned man - and has done since day one. Public never tends to vote for politicians once they enter that phase

To be elected is not an impossibility I will admit - as Major showed in 92. Did Major have the same aura of incompetence though?

laxalt, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:00 (fourteen years ago) link

(xp*2) OK, let them run for Mayor next time up then..

Mark G, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

They would have won in November 2007 as well.

-- Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:40 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

In the middle of the Northern Rock crisis?

Dom Passantino, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Miliband: Is that supposed to be a mustache?

King Boy Pato, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:02 (fourteen years ago) link

he looks like a condemned man - and has done since day one

No he didn't

Did Major have the same aura of incompetence though?

Are you kidding here?

Tom D., Friday, 2 May 2008 10:02 (fourteen years ago) link

At the moment I can't see the next labour leader being anything but a milliband and I can't see one winning much either.

-- Ed, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:58 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

You're forgetting the uber-popular and charming Ed Balls.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha October then. I have no idea what would have happened if Northern Rock had occurred in the middle of an election campaign. Things never seem to kick off in election campaigns usually.

One or two senior government figures will suddenly start saying as little as possible in order to drop off the radar and avoid being tainted by this govt's last couple of years. Anyone heard anything from Jack Straw lately?

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:03 (fourteen years ago) link

One or two senior government figures will suddenly start saying as little as possible in order to drop off the radar and avoid being tainted by this govt's last couple of years.

-- Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 11:03 (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

I was thinking _exactly_ the same thing about Alan Johnson this morning. He should be next PM, he looks like he should have managed Man City in the 70s.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:05 (fourteen years ago) link

He might still manage Man City

Tom D., Friday, 2 May 2008 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link

SOME of the problems are of Brown's own making, and others aren't. The root of the problem is American subprime - without that the credit crunch wouldn't have occurred. The problem is that Brown has encouraged the conditions under which Britain is particularly vulnerable to a tightening of the credit market.

Before anyone says anything, I do not know what I would have done differently at the time, and I know that hindsight is a wonderful thing. This is why, happily, I am not Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link

They would have won in November 2007 as well.

-- Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:40 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

In the middle of the Northern Rock crisis?

Was last month they had a chance of winning. Though the non-economic bad news was coming thick and fast then (the hospital bug stuff and that harman business seem a long time ago now). public still believed northern rock was isolated incident and could be contained

Are you kidding here?

About Major? No. Wasn't sure if his aura of incompetence was quite as bad as Browns or not - was genuine question

laxalt, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link

This govt has a long long way to go before it reaches the aura of incompetence that Major achieved. Thing with Major is, the media knew he was a dead duck and sensing blood were pretty much relentless in their attack. The same thing could now happen to Brown, and Cameron's policies might not be put under the scrutiny they deserve.

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link

The root of the problem is American subprime - without that the credit crunch wouldn't have occurred

Don't believe this to be true. It merely happened in america first.

laxalt, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Am talking about Major 90-92 here though, the Major that managed to win an election!

laxalt, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:10 (fourteen years ago) link

This is the man to save Labour: John McDonnell

djmartian, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, unless it happened in Britain first, it would still be outside Brown's jurisdiction?

(xpost - I'm so disappointed that didn't say 'Harry Redknapp')

Matt DC, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:11 (fourteen years ago) link

major's aura of incompetence began with black wednesday -- ie several months after april 1992 election, tom

wrt leader-changing: labour doesn't actually have the unite-the-two-wings problem that meant the tories had to go through three further self-evident duds to find an empty vessel -- however this is still a massive punt that doesn't address deeper problems within the party since its blair-is-all reshaping

mark s, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link

damage to brown's alleged deep prudent subtle grasp of economics = running the UK economy as if all was well in the world economy, and not keeping some trick in reserve for subprime problem even when it was but the size of a small child's fist far off on the otherwise blemishless horizon -- it's ture that next to no one (apart from a handful of ecnomo-bear cassandras) was saying VERY BAD STUFF AHEAD, so brown isn't alone for not knowing better, but all this means is he gets to wear an "as clueless as the rest of em" badge, which in this context is no help

mark s, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link

This is the man to save Labour: John Ramsay McDonnell

fixed

mark s, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not sure how he managed to get the prudent tag in the first place given the huge increases in debt and the huge increases in money supply that occured during his tenure

laxalt, Friday, 2 May 2008 10:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I still don't think they'd win, but I'd say this is the best chance they've got. However, given that Brown bottled it big time last October, it'd be pretty perverse of him to roll the dice now.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

frankly they've got too much on their plate to hold an election right now. i think they'll wait for the green shoots of recovery of early 2010, should there be any.

generally seems to hate all the right people (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a weird anti-Brown rant that's been posted up on the v large billboard spaces underneath the old railway bridge by the top of Shoreditch High St.

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorow/3109564177/

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I love the Daily Mail pic of Tessa in prayer:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/bobbysixer/tessa.jpg

Bob Six, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

"We’ve had it up to here with a government that says we can go on treating people like shit."

Labour's @BarryGardiner breaks down over the cost of living crisis @eiecampaign pic.twitter.com/YqseSSC1HE

— PoliticsJOE (@PoliticsJOE_UK) August 18, 2022

Barry Gardiner MP supports the Enough is Enough campaign.

the pinefox, Thursday, 18 August 2022 16:08 (three months ago) link

DJ Martian otm - the prophetic power of systems thinking!

This is the man to save Labour: John McDonnell

― djmartian, Friday, 2 May 2008 11:11 (fourteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 19 August 2022 13:20 (three months ago) link

Is there anything the Labour Party can do to win the next election? [Started by Ned Trifle II in May 2008, last updated two hours ago by Piedie Gimbel on I Love Everything] 2 new answers
Nope (dir. Jordan Peele) [Started by Ned Raggett in April 2022, last updated two hours ago by Josh in Chicago on I Love Everything] 13 new answers

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 19 August 2022 15:39 (three months ago) link

Bingo

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 19 August 2022 16:02 (three months ago) link

Sadder answer, the plan is to do nothing and rely on winning the battle of apathy in the wasteland of 2024

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 19 August 2022 16:03 (three months ago) link

it's more like "cisterns thinking" with Kieth, that's where he usually hides his flask of single malt

calzino, Friday, 19 August 2022 19:40 (three months ago) link

"I know Owen, I like Owen, I'm sorry Owen... I'm not focused on Owen, I'm focused intently on winning the next general election"@Keir_Starmer reacts to being called a "professional political conman" by @OwenJones84.@theJeremyVine | #JeremyVine pic.twitter.com/kuNA15yF1i

— Jeremy Vine On 5 (@JeremyVineOn5) August 31, 2022

"I like Owen"

the pinefox, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 11:44 (two months ago) link

An odd thing here is that KS puts OJ down by saying he was a "cheerleader" for Labour's 2019 election campaign.

KS, unlike OJ, was literally on the platform for the launch of Labour's 2019 election campaign. (I, unusually, was there!)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 11:45 (two months ago) link

just found out that the owner of ex-alpaca Geronimo genuinely made a graphic for today where she called him "The Peoples Alpaca" pic.twitter.com/b7Wteunce0

— Alice Lia Maro (@slimelia) August 31, 2022

next he'll be saying he actually tried to save Geronimo

calzino, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 11:49 (two months ago) link

KS saved geronimo from having to watch the world fall into ghastly ruin

mark s, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 13:16 (two months ago) link

yeah they've probably already started eating his buddies

seo layer (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 31 August 2022 13:19 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

'We all know what it's like with teenage children and I feel very strongly about this...this argument that children can make decisions without the consent of parents is one I just don't agree with at all' https://t.co/U1y6V1PvVZ pic.twitter.com/UNGy8fQA3C

— j (@jrc1921) November 1, 2022

KS very animated here as he springs into life to make a statement. You can judge the statement for yourself.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:51 (three weeks ago) link

There's something wrong with that room and the people in it

anvil, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:09 (three weeks ago) link

starmer at least had previously publicly said the right things on trans rights despite refusing to do anything about duffield & co. but coming out against gillick competence (does he even know he's doing that?) is extraordinarily bleak.

ufo, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 22:25 (three weeks ago) link

kier starmer take the budd dwyer challenge u coward

manic pixie dream shatner (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 22:28 (three weeks ago) link

I spent my 20s thinking of myself as "lucky" because I was only thrown out for two days after I was outed to my parents as gay. Had it been that I was trans, I would have been lucky to even make it to homelessness because of my stepdad's bigotry. This is the kind of thing that could directly lead to the deaths of trans teenagers.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 22:36 (three weeks ago) link

Keir Starmer has given an interview to Justine Roberts, the founder of parenting and anti trans message board Mumsnet.

Here is everything Keir Starmer said about trans topics to Mumsnet.

1/17

— What The Trans!? (WhatTheTrans.com) (@WhatTheTrans) November 1, 2022

whole lot more bullshit from him here

after all this i'm labor to be whipped to abstain when the tories make their recently announced move to gut existing legal protections for trans people

ufo, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 22:37 (three weeks ago) link

thinking of all the shitty wretched nights I spent at Boys Brigade football practice and so on, just being miserable and easily targeted by peers, at the insistence of a parent who thought the best thing for me was to suffer that in a pathetic attempt to become more masculine (spoiler: it didn't work, I'm still fabulous) - it was awful, and I didn't even have it that bad at all in comparative terms.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 22:40 (three weeks ago) link

He's an amoral right-wing social conservative and he's very bad at hiding it at the best of times. But he's certainly not going to try too hard to hide it when he's talking to mumsnet. He'll throw anyone under a bus this cunt - especially now he feels like the next GE is going to be winnable.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 23:10 (three weeks ago) link

djmartian at 11:11 2 May 08

This is the man to save Labour: John McDonnell

nashwan, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 23:19 (three weeks ago) link

oops quoted two months ago ha ha still tho

nashwan, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 23:19 (three weeks ago) link

McD get's a lot of shit from the left and he certainly isn't above criticism. But I sure do miss him, especially after seeing that video above.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 23:23 (three weeks ago) link

Despicable, pathetic little man.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 11:04 (three weeks ago) link

read that the mumsnet transphobes weren't appeased by this anyway because Starmer said kids could still socially transition with parental approval, whereas they don't think anyone should ever be allowed to transition ever. so once again he's appealed to nobody.

even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 12:16 (three weeks ago) link

a lot of this stuff is an effort to appeal to or signal to people who might be broadly sympathetic to voting Labour and just want him to offer the fig leaf. the same applies when he tries to woo the LBGTQ+ community, trade unions, people who fondly remember the Labour Party etc

wearing wraparounds (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 12:19 (three weeks ago) link

xp ofc, Stella Creasy did a q&a on there and every single question was about it, absolute lunacy

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 12:23 (three weeks ago) link

No point in trying to please fanatics arguing from a deranged position of personal identity, you can never ever appease them enough. Better to just say what you think, although like his forebear Blair Starmer appears to think nothing whatsoever other than a vague sense of patriotic authoritarianism.

zeuhl's forgotten man (Matt #2), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 12:49 (three weeks ago) link

I think these people are (usually implicitly) arguing from a *collective* identity of aggrieved middle class whiteness not from unique personal identity - that's the only reason powerful men give a shit about what they have to say after all

your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 12:59 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

pic.twitter.com/WlW0Yv3c93

— Dr Unpleasant #EnoughIsEnough (@drunpleasant) November 18, 2022

the pinefox, Friday, 18 November 2022 09:52 (one week ago) link

Rachel Reeves once took a ball off a kid at an engagement party and threw it over the back fence before shouting at the kid and making them cry, then shouting at their parents as well. The parents ended up making a "her or us" at the wedding ultimatum to the engaged couple.

— Sii (@skippy_0h) November 18, 2022

Burnt Norton 360 (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 November 2022 10:57 (one week ago) link

this ghoul makes Jeremy Hunt seem like a human being... yeah I know!

calzino, Friday, 18 November 2022 11:03 (one week ago) link

He's not only one of the best MPs in Parliament and a fierce champion of the working class, but he's also an amazing friend and comrade.

I'm honestly so thrilled @IanByrneMP has been reselected as the Labour MP for Liverpool West Derby 🥳❤️ pic.twitter.com/3eNcyitH5e

— Zarah Sultana MP (@zarahsultana) November 20, 2022

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 November 2022 19:10 (one week ago) link

this saved me organising my thoughts

I think that SCG M.P.s are often less bad personally but their presence lends legitimacy to the Labour machine that will ultimately grind them into paste.

That said, it is fun to see Harpin, Akehurst, and assorted Briefcase Enthusiasts eat shit every once in a while.

— Kier Hardly (@KeirWillow) November 20, 2022

Queremos cerveza (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 November 2022 19:12 (one week ago) link

that's about the only good thing about it, even with the odds heavily stacked in their favour these ghouls can't even manage a stitch-up properly

calzino, Sunday, 20 November 2022 19:15 (one week ago) link

Quite an interesting piece on the politics of that seat.

https://www.livpost.co.uk/p/ian-byrne-fights-for-survival

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 November 2022 19:49 (one week ago) link

"Crick believes there is a “lot of resentment” from the Corbyn years, when left-wing candidates were parachuted into seats"

except this never actually happened

calzino, Sunday, 20 November 2022 20:36 (one week ago) link

not only did it not happen, but they didn't expel any of the right wing scumbags who are running amok now ffs

Queremos cerveza (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 November 2022 21:24 (one week ago) link

Michael Crick still has a job has he?

Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 November 2022 21:24 (one week ago) link

His current job sounds made-up.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 November 2022 21:51 (one week ago) link

“…michael crick?”

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 20 November 2022 22:03 (one week ago) link

Yeah, right wing scumbags accusing Corbyn and/or Momentum of doing all the stuff they really should have been doing but didn't is a thing

49 Percent Jesus (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 November 2022 09:27 (one week ago) link

Don't think that's what Lab left should've been doing. It's really petty, very locally factional stuff, picking one member at a time. The couple is constantly fighting, when divorce is an option.

I don't know how you would go about this but maybe it would be a re-drawing of the party constitution. Maybe mass taking away of whips from some of the worst MPs and some that might be ok but are landlords, or have interests, for example. Jobs jobs 'Unions' like GMB are toxic and would be kicked out too. The problem is it would make it smaller at first, you'd maybe lose an election or two but overtime it's organised into something worthwhile with a coherent set of policies.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 November 2022 09:42 (one week ago) link

https://t.co/Q9S4AUq57O pic.twitter.com/rBODuLAP5P

— the penny respecter (@ChrisKPH) November 26, 2022

the pinefox, Sunday, 27 November 2022 10:19 (yesterday) link

coke and sublime

nashwan, Sunday, 27 November 2022 10:45 (yesterday) link


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