what are barack obama's flaws?

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serious question

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

arrogance

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

i was looking at these synopses of all the right wing anti-clinton books & thinking damn i actually agree with all the personal clinton armchair psychology stuff - dishonesty, lack of principle, general cowardice. at the time (i was like 10) i didnt believe that shit, just thought it was partisan & desperate - basically true i guess - but switched my understanding of clinton up after i read the shitty hitchens book, and now after the the obama stuff in the primaries most liberals agree with right-wing/national review types about this shit. so when obama becomes president are there any character flaws we'll look back on in 10-15 years and think man the republicans were actually right about that? is this genuinely different?

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

too handsome

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

Scary name.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

faith in his friends

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

Not that I give a shit, but a 'flaw' in terms of some people think it's a reason to be suspicious of him.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

too black, too strong.

jim, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

^ beat me to it

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

ok oily but we arent going to look back in 10 years and be like this guy was actually only okay. if only his name was jim scott. the point of this thread isn't "why won't racist people vote for him"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

you guys are missing the point

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

haha rly

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

poor bowling form

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

overconfidence in the electorate's willingness to assume civic responsibility

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

probably has a clogged pore or two

dan m, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

In that case, all this 'bipartisanship' talk makes me worry he'll let the plutocrats walk all over him in the name of unity. It's too early to tell, of course. The problem is, I'm guilty of being a little star struck by the dude and his speeches and advisors and stuff, so I'm probably missing important defects. So maybe that's a flaw, too.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

too cool

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, basically

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

Born in the wrong country at the wrong time.

Both Hillary and McCain would be "good" Presidents, especially in comparison to the current Commander-In-Chief, but neither of them are in the same league as Obama.

Oh yeah, he's also an elitist, as the children of single moms tend to be.

j-rock, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

Wife seems like a dick.

paulhw, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

Better writer than every single last one of his critics and most of his supporters.

Dave Matthews endorsement.

Trick move in pickup b-ball is to fake to the right, plow in hard to the left. No symbolism there at all.

suzy, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

i actually wish people would take this thread seriously; i didnt realize it wasnt about electability & i think the answer is probably the same either way (we dont know yet), but even tho im behind the guy 100% & have been for months my gut says myself & probably a lot of people here are gonna be dissatisfied with him 4-8 years down the road. a discussion of concrete reasons why this might be so seems worthwhile to me

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

foreign policy naivete. biggest thing that worries me about him by far. if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

thank u deeznuts i am serious about like actual clintonesque character defects not more empty lolz how everybody except us is superficial & racist

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

what elmo and tom said, basically--the dude comes across as too trusting in america's ability to be smart about shit

max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

not good at speaking for 10 second clips on the 6 o clock news

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

hard to say but i think he believes his own hype at this point

messiah complex (likely to evolve into martyr complex)

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

yeah what max/tombot/elmo said fourthed.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

might not be able to tame congress and end up like Clinton in 1994

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

Also a bit of what deez said - I'm worried he's setting himself up to disappoint everyone.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

has convinved people like me to be largely uninterested in this question

gabbneb, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

He has a bit of this tendency to come off like "I fully understand this problem because I've read many essays about it." Which makes me like him and wince at the same time.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

It's hard to see how staying in Iraq is helping to prevent domestic terrorism. Even McCain wants to close Gitmo. I doubt civil liberties will go all the way back to pre-9/11 status, and not sure if Obama is even suggesting that they should

o. nate, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

has convinved people like me to be largely uninterested in this question

-- gabbneb, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:55 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

shock of shocks

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

what elmo and tom said, basically--the dude comes across as too trusting in america's ability to be smart about shit

-- max, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:48 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i really want to believe this is true, but it sounds the kind of bs that be lipped by his supporters - his flaw is that he's TOO right about everything? ill take that.

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

foreign policy naivete. biggest thing that worries me about him by far. if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:45 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is more lol gwb put u in a jackpot sry!

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

i am really curious as to what hes gonna do w/the gitmo dudes who we have evidence against thats inadmissible due to torture tho

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder about his ability/willingness to get his hands dirty and wrestle things to the ground. saying you're willing to talk to iran/hamas/whoever is all well and good, but if you go into those situations you have to go in saying, "here's the deal: you can get this and this, you can't get this and this, and we're going to have to fight about this and this -- but if the fight goes on too long, you get nothing." the bushies have been terrible at that stuff, so it's not like the bar is set particularly high, but it would be nice to have someone who can actually get some things done. (wouldn't have to be him personally, but he'd need some hardball players around who knew how to do that.) (same applies in dealing with congress, obviously.)

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

deex -- i didn't say he's overly correct, but i think he may be presumptuous that America will be eager or grateful about implementing the changes he wants

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

also I am dead serious that his uh um uh tic that he has when you can tell he's thinking on his feet is really not reassuring at all

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

he actually comes across as a guy who would be an absolute expert at that kind of stuff to me tipsy

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

yah he def should cut that out xp

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

nodding slowly and looking thoughtful is the way to go

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

his uh um uh tic that he has when you can tell he's thinking on his feet

this doesn't bother me so much -- it's campaign season and he has to be excruciatingly calculating about his diction. when he speaks off the cuff he gets in trouble, but really only because he running for office

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

or alternatively quit being so optimistic about your fellow humans that you keep getting surprised by shit, like Wright dropping an atom bomb on you on national television

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

xp Still, I think Hillary is a better extemporaneous speaker.

jaymc, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

his almost musical hand-gesture of 'conducting' a discussion / 'putting a fine point' on an argument

it's like the new bubba remote

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think Tom's point is that Obama is going to cause terrorism to happen, just that when it does he's going to look bad.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

you guys all seem to think obama waaaaaaaaay less pragmatic than i do, i guess

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

I actually HOPE he's more cynical and pragmatic than I'm giving him credit for.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:19 (twelve years ago) link

you mean Obiden/Bama, sir

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:14 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

could have vetted his personnel better

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 May 2020 16:35 (six months ago) link

People are saying that he didn't produce enough Coronavirus vaccines when he had the chance.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 1 May 2020 16:47 (six months ago) link

Coronavirus losses would be way lower if his death panels had done their job

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 11 May 2020 20:25 (six months ago) link

I posted this in the SNL thread but should put it here--first time in ages Baldwin's Trump has made me laugh: "This virus, that remember, was started in a lab in Obama..."

clemenza, Monday, 11 May 2020 22:13 (six months ago) link

The level of projection here is just incredible pic.twitter.com/1rzNgKl9Qa

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) May 17, 2020

j., Sunday, 17 May 2020 19:50 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

Saw this today and I still can’t comprehend the levels of sociopathy. pic.twitter.com/Rrony9uF54

— Omar Sheriff🏅 (@OmarSheriffHD) August 20, 2020

syphilitic wolf prose errata (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:40 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

Music has always played an important role in my life—and that was especially true during my presidency. In honor of my book hitting shelves tomorrow, I put together this playlist featuring some memorable songs from my administration. Hope you enjoy it. pic.twitter.com/xWiNQiZzN0

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) November 16, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 November 2020 22:50 (one week ago) link

this one is somehow even lamer than his previous music/book lists

global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 November 2020 23:01 (one week ago) link

i love thinking how madd spotify is that he didn't do this as a spotify playlist given that they have a podcast deal with them

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 November 2020 23:10 (one week ago) link

'they' = michelle and barack

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 November 2020 23:10 (one week ago) link

That Gloria Estefan single is...so unexpected I have to think he loves it (as a survivor of Hurricane Andrew but not "Always Tomorrow" I demur).

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 November 2020 23:11 (one week ago) link

"My Favorite Things" is a great, not-obvious choice. The rest is the rest.

clemenza, Monday, 16 November 2020 23:28 (one week ago) link

That's pretty obvious to me

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 November 2020 23:41 (one week ago) link

I will search out a metric for obviousness and report back.

clemenza, Monday, 16 November 2020 23:46 (one week ago) link

"My favourite things" is a very canon choice (?)

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:04 (one week ago) link

this might be a dumb question, but what does "songs from my administration" mean in this context?

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:07 (one week ago) link

You call it "a promised land playlist" and yet the Springsteen song on it is.. "The Rising."

Curious.

coupvfefe (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:10 (one week ago) link

map room jams

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:11 (one week ago) link

A bad Stevie Wonder song balanced by a great one. Still triangulating even out of office.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:46 (one week ago) link

brooks and dunn are ass

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:53 (one week ago) link

^^^ wrong

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:56 (one week ago) link

In the sense that ass is good, wrong.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:59 (one week ago) link

Boot Scootin' Boogie would've been the better brooks and dunn pick.

like to think of o head bopping to lose yourself as he orders a drone strike on a village

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 01:01 (one week ago) link

so is anyone gonna post whatever this is here

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 01:20 (one week ago) link

"My favourite things" is a very canon choice (?)

Yes, but that could mean a whole bunch of things. It's not Abbey Road. It's not Dark Side of the Moon or Led Zeppelin IV or Thriller. (I was going to add "It's not even Kind of Blue," but then I see that's next.) And it's a president. Geez!

what does "songs from my administration" mean in this context?

Found that puzzling too. Maybe he means drawn from his annual playlists?

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 01:23 (one week ago) link

so is anyone gonna post whatever this is here

the list of songs is in an image that he has paid a graphic designer to lay out, embedded in the tweet

@oneposter (💹) (sic), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 01:40 (one week ago) link

I would like to offer my apologies to ass, that was unfair of me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 01:57 (one week ago) link

Putting your playlists in alphabetical order is either laziness or next-level-Oulipo curation.

timber euros (seandalai), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 02:13 (one week ago) link

even music fanatics do that though. never understood it

Dan S, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 02:16 (one week ago) link

Keeps the Beyonce stans from rioting at the merest hint that you ranked her behind Brooks & Dunn.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 02:54 (one week ago) link

the great crime here is that it's in alphabetical order with The Beatles under T!!!!

Clay, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 03:25 (one week ago) link

and even then out of order!

Dan S, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 03:28 (one week ago) link

so it's in not-alphabetical order and alphabetical order... at the same time? How awesome is that?!!

Just to be clear, we're talking about the musical tastes of an ex-President of the United States, as revealed in a publicity press release on the eve of a book release for which he was probably given a seven-figure advance, as if it weren't carefully crafted to ensure its appeal to the greatest number of people, while offended the fewest potential customers, while not tarnishing his "legacy" in any way. That list probably got passed by a dozen marketing people and close advisors. And who cares what he listens to?

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:33 (one week ago) link

^ that's a fucked up sentence, grammatically, but it says enough to be understood.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 04:35 (one week ago) link

even music fanatics do that though.

who

@oneposter (💹) (sic), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 05:22 (one week ago) link

Barack, ya basic

assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 07:53 (one week ago) link

it'd be cool if obama had early '00s ilm taste in music and his list was like MBV and manic street preachers and a few britney singles

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 08:23 (one week ago) link

A bad Stevie Wonder song balanced by a great one.

they're both great

Change Display Name: (stevie), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 08:47 (one week ago) link

ALways thought Freddie Freeloader was the only track that could be dropped from Kind of Blue. Good to see it's someone's favourite, I guess.

mahb, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:18 (one week ago) link

Logged onto Apple Music this morning to stream Agharta while I worked and it's clearly the day's most-played Miles track

Change Display Name: (stevie), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:46 (one week ago) link

Mr.Obama, sir, please play one of the creepier outtakes from Aphex Twin's masterpiece SAWII while ordering a drone strike.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:58 (one week ago) link

"In honor of my book hitting shelves tomorrow.."

that's what i like about him so much, he's always so generous towards himself.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 10:22 (one week ago) link

"in honour of my book hitting shelves, in states where people would both buy a book by a Muslim Kenyan communist and where bookshops are still open..."

@oneposter (💹) (sic), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 10:56 (one week ago) link

Ive always felt like he probably has pretty OK taste in music for a global supercelebrity who likely never gets any alone time whatsoever to listen to or think about music, and that simultaneously he doesnt know anything about these playlists until after they're published

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 13:13 (one week ago) link

He's plugging a book, yes. I liked this a lot, but I'll leave it to the usual suspects to explain how phony it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jWjk5zA12U

clemenza, Friday, 20 November 2020 02:09 (one week ago) link

Fine enough review.

https://newrepublic.com/article/160285/obama-promised-land-trump-biden

xyzzzz__, Friday, 20 November 2020 16:29 (one week ago) link

Osita Nwanevu on the new book and, by extension, Biden

Obama appears now to be a better judge of Mitch McConnell. “I’m enjoying reading now about how Joe Biden and Mitch have been friends for a long time,” he told Goldberg. “They’ve known each other for a long time. I have quotes from Biden about his interactions with Mitch McConnell. The issue with Republicans is not that I didn’t court them enough. We would invite them to everything: Movie nights, state dinners, Camp David, you name it. The issue was not a lack of schmoozing. The issue was that they found it politically advantageous to demonize me and the Democratic Party. This was amplified by media outlets like Fox News. Their voters believed this, and over time Republicans became so successful in their demonization that it became very difficult for them to compromise, or even be seen being friendly.”

What Obama doesn’t acknowledge outright here is that denials of this reality—the insistence, for instance, that Joe Biden’s personal relationship with McConnell means something—are coming from Biden himself. In a speech Monday, Biden dismissed doubts about a return to bipartisanship under his administration. “The refusal of Democrats and Republicans to cooperate with one another is not due to some mysterious force beyond our control,” he said. “It’s a conscious decision. It’s a choice that we make. If we can decide not to cooperate, then we can decide to cooperate. I believe this is part of the mandate from the American people—part of the mandate they gave us. They want us to cooperate. They want us to deliver results. And the choice that Kamala and I will make is that we’re going to do that.”

Biden’s always lacked Obama’s eloquence, but he’s ably performing here something Obama always excelled ⁠at—an attempt to mystify the forces at work in American politics, framed as a demystification. The hard, stubborn reality we all ought to man up and recognize, Biden tells us, is that teamwork makes the dream work. But Obama is publicly expressing doubts about this political mode that Biden has yet to betray—all while denouncing political dishonesty and fakery in the Trump era.

https://newrepublic.com/article/160285/obama-promised-land-trump-biden

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 04:46 (four days ago) link


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