Has anyone in this bitch ever visted Peru?

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A friend is going next month and wants me to go. Fly into Lima.

Should I do it?

Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link

YES

(I've never been)

HI DERE, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Srsly I think the only place in the world I wouldn't go is someplace I know is currently in the throes of civil unrest; if I don't know about it, I want to go there.

HI DERE, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link

danny, that's generally my attitude.

Just checking here to see if there is civil unrest. Or cheap beer available.

Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Report from Jaymc next week, I'm guessing.

Eazy, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

is there anything to do or do I just go there and figure it out with my Spanglish.

Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Read this thread ASAP:

TITTW sleeve goes to Peru

Very good read in general.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

yes i've been to peru. my dad lived was born there and grew up there. i'd highly recommend going, but it's well worth it to make the effort to travel outside of lima, too. it's an interesting city but far from what the rest of peru has to offer.

there are many parts of the country that i have not been too. i've only been there once and it was quite some time ago.

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link

sorry about messed up grammar in second sentence. you get the idea

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link

peru.xls

Jordan, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I have repeatedly read this as "Has anyone in this bitch ever visited Pern" and I think "NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING."

Laurel, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link

thanx Ned!

My experiences have mostly been in the highlands around Cuzco. How much time do you have? Lima has a really good museum of pre-Columbian art and a short trip up the coast near Trujillo are cool ruins.

Cheap beer is available and pretty damn decent (speaking as a Pacific-NW beer snob), they really like their pilsners. Cusquena was my fave.

I concur that Lima is probably the LEAST interesting part of the country (museums aside), a few days somewhere else would be well worth it.

sleeve, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

jaymc's flight transfers at Miami; we might get beers if his flight's delayed.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 3 April 2008 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Yerac to thread

felicity, Thursday, 3 April 2008 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

jaymc should be on his way to Machu Picchu right now!

sleeve, Thursday, 3 April 2008 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I lived in Trujillo (in the north, on the coast), for 9 months...but that was in 1998 so most of what I would have to say could be really out of date. I would also recommend travelling round, though, outside Lima. Even if it's just a short trip to Arequipa or Puno (I guess Trujillo is okay, but not so pretty and also out of the way).

We got around on coaches, mostly, but also got a train here and there, as well as a flight from Cuzco - Lima before we set off home to the UK. All very cheap, particularly the coaches (although the ones I travelled in didn't stop often or have air con...maybe those kind of things are more common now...like I say, it was a decade ago...is all very dream-like in my memories now and I wish I'd kept a diary).

Eat: lomo saltado, ceviche.

Zoe Espera, Thursday, 3 April 2008 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Lima is kind of a drag. Sprawling, dirty, covered in fog most of the time. The rest of my travel in Peru was amazing; Arequepa, Cuzco, Machu Pichu, Sacred Valley.

Bobbi Peru, Thursday, 3 April 2008 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link

yes, do everything you possibly can to make it to cuzco and especially machu pichu

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 3 April 2008 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Was there late last year... agree Lima is mostly a concrete jungle, but there's still some parts worth seeing - the National Museum is great (some amazing ceramics in particular) and also the architecture in the central / historical center. The Inca Trail / Machu Pichu was fab (Cuzco a typical tourist-trap town) and Puno a nice, low-key place.

People were very friendly everywhere I went (and quite patient with my atrocious Spanish skills).

__CB__, Thursday, 3 April 2008 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, my fallback trip is London.

thanks all for input.

Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 3 April 2008 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link

When I was in Peru in 1990 with my wife, we visited a shaman in Cusco who claimed that when he was an apprentice to his teacher, somewhere near Lake Titicaca, that his teacher had found a crystal skull in the ground. They said this crystal skull had a great deal of negative power associated with it, and that it was reburied in the ground and he did not know where it was. We participated in a ceremony with him, where the spirits spoke to us, the lights were turned out, we saw sparks of light flash and birds seem to be flying in the room. It was a rare exeprience.

omar little, Thursday, 3 April 2008 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Dude.

Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 3 April 2008 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51800V53Z3L._AA240_.jpg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 April 2008 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link

You never looked better than there, omar. Oh wait.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 April 2008 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Nice - I'll be going there in May, myself!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 3 April 2008 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link

i spoke to one of the freelancers in my office who had family there and he said i should see a shaman while there. kind of caught me off guard.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 3 April 2008 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Lima is the last place you want to visit while you are in Peru.

Yerac, Friday, 4 April 2008 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

A bus load of Peruvian chefs descends on Peru, Nebraska (pop 589):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYLQ1az0GPI

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:06 (ten years ago) link

Ha, funny that I never saw this thread, since I was, y'know, in Peru.

jaymc, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:14 (ten years ago) link

I'm pretty sure I was in Peru about 3 years ago too, oddly.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:26 (ten years ago) link

Lima is the last place you want to visit while you are in Peru.

― Yerac, Thursday, April 3, 2008 5:45 PM (3 years ago)

I <3 Yerac but this is pretty OffTM.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:27 (ten years ago) link

You're OFFTM!

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:45 (ten years ago) link

zmog, sup lurker!

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:46 (ten years ago) link

(I don't really <3 you btw, just PJ)

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:47 (ten years ago) link

He just called you Steve "Peepee Hands" Shasta. You can take that however you want.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:48 (ten years ago) link

T__T

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:51 (ten years ago) link

So Yerac, tell us what you found so repulsive about Lima?

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 02:51 (ten years ago) link

of all the places to go in Peru, Lima would be at the end of the list. of big South American cities to spend time in, Lima would still be at the end of the list. Actually, all I can remember from Lima is a lot of honking and people having stuff stolen constantly.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 03:00 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

OK, so I am going to Peru in September (or October, I haven't got an actual date yet). Since we went to Chile 2 years ago it will be interesting to see what ceviche, pisco and... erm... potatoes are like in the other country that invented them.

Never one to shy away from a packed schedule, ours is Lima > Trujillo > Huanchaco > Ica > Nazca > Arequipa > Colca > Puno > Cusco > Ollantaytambo in under 3 weeks.

Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:03 (seven years ago) link

Trujillo rules, eat fish and enjoy the climate

Living Heart Cafe in Ollantaytambo has good food, so does Los Perros in Cusco

"thank you" in Quechua is sulpayki ("sool-pie-kee")

I'll bookmark this if u have more q's later on

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:08 (seven years ago) link

Are you going to Machu Picchu?

o. nate, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:09 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, just before we come home.

Looking forward to adding Nazca to my checklist of "pseudo-Fortean places I grew up reading about but never thought I'd get to" like Angkor Wat and easter Island.

Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:40 (seven years ago) link

Machu Picchu is worth the trouble. Cusco was a lot of fun too. In Lima, I stayed in Miraflores, which is a nice area. Lots of good restaurants.

o. nate, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:44 (seven years ago) link

Good itinerary. Arequipa was my favourite out of those. Maybe check out Las Islas Ballistas for a day if you've got time, touted as 'the poor man's Galapagos.' They're close enough to Ica.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:48 (seven years ago) link

I...may yet visit someday myself, we'll see. (My sweetie is Peruvian on her father's side -- she's been a few times when younger.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:50 (seven years ago) link

Oh and make sure you go to Chan Chan while in Trujillo.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:52 (seven years ago) link

We're staying in Miraflores, but I think Lima is little more than night of arrival in country and following night (much like we had in Santiago de Chile, from memory). And yes, we're planning on Las Islas Ballistas as well on a day trip.

Chan Chan is our main reason for heading to Trujillo.

Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:54 (seven years ago) link

Also, I had never heard of Paracas Candelabra until I started planning this trip.

Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:56 (seven years ago) link

Chan Chan is completely amazing, seconded.

if u are a drinker, Ica probably has the best local pisco

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:01 (seven years ago) link

Ica itself is a bit of a dump by the way. Nearby Huacachina is a much more atmospheric place to stay. Plus they have sandboarding.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:01 (seven years ago) link

I can drink pisco as well as the next man, if the next man is someone who likes to drink pisco.

Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:02 (seven years ago) link

yeah, I don't think Ica has fully recovered from the 2007 earthquake

xp

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:02 (seven years ago) link

if u are a drinker, Ica probably has the best local pisco

― sleeve

I think they residents of Pisco might argue with that! I actually spent two months volunteering there in a wonderful earthquake relief project which has now sadly shut down. It's a town which is very close to my heart, but doesn't really have much to offer the casual tourist.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:03 (seven years ago) link

ah yes you are probably right about the actual town of Pisco, I have not been to the Ica region

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:06 (seven years ago) link

Peru is a very interesting country. My ex was from Cañete/Arequipa.

@aldo, that itinerary sounds doable.

I think the best pisco isn't necessarily in Pisco, either. And yes, there isn't much to do there.

I never liked Lima, but I have to say it has improved a lot. A lot of things have gotten more expensive, as well.

You'll have fun. It's a beautiful country filled with so much history and culture.

Foods to try:

*When in Arequipa, ocopa
*Seco de cordero con frejoles (MY FAVOURITE! Traditionally, it is made with lamb, but it is most often served with beef. It's frejoles in Peru, not 'frijoles' (:)
*Ceviche (Lima/coastal cities are known for their fresh seafood; it's done differently than in other Latin American countries--it's spelt cebiche in Spanish (:)
*Ají de gallina (curried chicken/hen)
*Arroz con pato/pollo
*Yuca frita (fried cassava root with 'ají):
*'Ají' or 'ajicito' or 'ajicito verde' is a catch-all term Peruvians use for a spicy sauce, many times green. They eat it with a lot of stuff. It is typical for a family and many restaurants to have it and serve kind of like ketchup. Essays have been written on it. That's how important it is.
*Chupe de camarones (in Lima, maybe)
*Helado de lúcuma (ice cream made from lucuma; the fruit is basically from Peru. If you eat it in another country, it doesn't taste the same)
*Try emoliente
*Whilst in the south, try a chilcano (popular cocktail), not just pisco sour

Other stuff may require you to go off the beaten path, so I won't mention it.

Too bad you're not going to Huancayo, otherwise you could eat and watch them cook pachamanca.

That's all that comes to mind for now.

, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:44 (seven years ago) link

(By the way, I have a 'special' relationship with the country, so I can try answering some of your questions, as well.)

, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:47 (seven years ago) link

seven years pass...

The Peruvian far-right opts for the Trump/Bolivian opposition strategy: Cry fraud when it becomes clear you've lost. Political and racial violence follows. https://t.co/XMWxCLvTqo

— Ollie Vargas (@OVargas52) June 8, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 07:46 (two weeks ago) link

🇵🇪🇵🇪🇵🇪 #PeruElecciones2021 - a quick summary thread for those following in the UK.

As of Tuesday morning (~3am in Peru) Pedro Castillo has a growing but narrow lead over Keiko Fujimori.

Ignore anyone who says this is over / Castillo has already won 1/8https://t.co/pEJXheJ4hT

— Daniel Willis (@not_DJW) June 8, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 09:04 (two weeks ago) link

It's vital those watching from the UK view these claims of fraud critically, rather than piling in with assumptions.

The international acceptance of far right claims of fraud in Bolivia in 2019 were crucial in creating the space for the coup to happen.

that could be addressed to a few posters on here.

calzino, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 09:11 (two weeks ago) link

Given how reactionary their reporting on Latin American politics is, the Guardian may as well dispense with their own correspondents and directly reprint state department press releases pic.twitter.com/kmgvUV6wFx

— Ed (@emcnally96) June 7, 2021

calzino, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 09:25 (two weeks ago) link

As a Marxist teacher wins the election in Peru 🇵🇪, the country's elite are melting down and pulling their money out the country, proving once again that the upper class everywhere hate democracy and are willing to destroy society to try to get what they want. pic.twitter.com/aE76epYAMp

— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) June 8, 2021

calzino, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 09:32 (two weeks ago) link

If Pedro Castillo wins, the country will take a lurch to the left of unknown magnitude https://t.co/UsB69EQ1H9

— The Economist (@TheEconomist) June 8, 2021

The Economist endorsing the fascists again is it.

calzino, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:35 (two weeks ago) link

a lurch is it

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:42 (two weeks ago) link

i suppose the economist would prefer castillo to work collaboratively with oligarchs and criminals on an incremental approach to socialism

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:43 (two weeks ago) link

The Economist only fell with the Tories over brexit and do not give a flying fuck about democracy, rampant poverty and civil rights abuses, because that is the nature of neoliberalism. But a "free-market success story" is pure fiction.

calzino, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:53 (two weeks ago) link

International observers are saying (unlike some in Bolivia) the election was fair so I don't know what excuse can the usual suspects who post here find for not supporting the left-wing candidate but I expect them to get creative.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 12:40 (two weeks ago) link

Pedro Castillo addresses supporters gathered outside his campaign office in Lima for the third straight night. Crowds are celebrating what looks to be an unstoppable victory. Castillo asks that they "be vigilant of democracy" during these key hours.pic.twitter.com/vtD1Jdl7DS

— Kawsachun News (@KawsachunNews) June 9, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 09:55 (two weeks ago) link

Pedro Castillo got 0 votes in Miami lol pic.twitter.com/dNwkyhZJRd

— Ollie Vargas (@OVargas52) June 9, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 20:33 (two weeks ago) link

The richest Peruvian I know (who tbf lives in Europe) is all in for Castillo

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 20:45 (two weeks ago) link

(to be more complete his first choice was Veronika Mendoza but when it came down to Castillo vs Fujimori he saw the choice as very clear.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 20:47 (two weeks ago) link

still marginally ahead at 99.82% of votes counted.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 20:54 (two weeks ago) link

Excellent xp

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

some enjoyable chilean memes going around about chile being driven onto the antarctic when he wins

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:01 (two weeks ago) link

So weird how they're just going to give the presidency to the person who won the most votes, do they not understand that democracy requires the election to be decided by the outcome in three or four Andean swing districts

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:05 (two weeks ago) link

lol at some of these contested Peruvian votes being counted right now
(via @remoto97) pic.twitter.com/AjltOvbCMf

— Populism Updates (@PopulismUpdates) June 9, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:58 (two weeks ago) link

yeah out of the maybe 2 dozen Peruvians we know and are in touch with, only one is legit for Keiko and one takes the "I think the backlash will be worse so I'm against him" viewpoint, everyone else is solidly for El Profesor

sleeve, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 22:45 (two weeks ago) link

Still awfully tight. A 67,000 lead is nothing. Hope Castillo wins.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 10 June 2021 00:06 (one week ago) link

Left-wing candidate Pedro Castillo wins #Peru's presidential election

▪️Left-wing Castillo, candidate of Free Peru Party, won 8,804,439 votes and won the election with 50.2%.
▪️Popular Force candidate, right-wing Keiko Fujimori won 8,735,472 votes and narrowly lost with 49.8%. pic.twitter.com/cClyvRsrWL

— EHA News (@eha_news) June 11, 2021

idk how reliable this is or if this election has officially been called yet but also Japan Times are reporting that some top Peruvian prosecutor is moving to have Fujimori arrested.

calzino, Friday, 11 June 2021 07:28 (one week ago) link

I love how even Peruvian Tories somehow look like they went to Durham pic.twitter.com/GsQbD6vL0j

— Ghostface Kafka (36 Chambers) (@TheKafkaDude) June 11, 2021

calzino, Friday, 11 June 2021 13:49 (one week ago) link


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