― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Hopefully this is one of those cases where there's some really fascinating physical/mechanical process that explains everything, much like the whole "why did the towers fall" conspiracy.
― Nitsuh, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
"The woman I share an office with was almost hit by the plane as she drove up washington blvd that morning (our office is a couple of miles from the Pentagon). she ran in and told me about it, and then 15 or 20 mins later it was on the news as "an explosion." I am pretty sure she was not an inside member of a vast conspiracy.
Having driven by then Pentagon shortly there after and many times since, I can tell you that the size of the hole and the amount of blackened concrete was considerable, the pictures don't really give you the scale b/c the width of the bldg makes it seem very low in comparison. They've closed the gap up now, they are trying to get it all fixed as soon as possible, I guess."
My own problem with what this theory getting at was -- what *did* happen to the plane? (Cue talk of shooting down jets over the ocean or whatever.)
(My new browser has a spell checker for forms, never more shall I misspell on ILE, but first I have to teach it british English)
― Ed, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― bnw, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'd love to know where the conspiracy site guy got his pics from. They are quite clear, and mega-detailed.
― Nichole Graham, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0203/S00051.htm
― Queen G, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― misterjones, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― LosWoozle, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Which also brings up a point of why there was never a fighter plane in the air, yet when a small aircraft runs low on cabin pressure, a fighter jet is there within 15 minutes?
― Brian Karcher, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
― J Blount, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Graham, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
As far as the extent of the damage, I had always thought for some reason that the pantagon was actually built to withstand a direct nuclear strike, at least with the kind of atomic weapons payloads that were available when it was constructed.
― Brad Richards, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dada, Sunday, 7 December 2003 04:34 (twenty years ago) link
― hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:25 (twenty years ago) link
― hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link
Moses saw GOD in a burning Bush.
Kinda gives it that added extra edge...
― Super-Kate (kate), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:57 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 April 2004 13:06 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 April 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 April 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 April 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link
now i'm just more confused... certainly, the missing footage alleged in this slideshow needs to surface.
― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link
i just found out one of my friend's is a hardcore 9/11 conspiracy theorist. we just now became e-friends and his profile page looks like some presidential assassin's. otherwise, he's a cool, nice, normal guy.
i sent him the link to this Popular Mechanics article and he hasn't responded.
(I guess I've felt similar when speaking with devout Christians, but I've dared to attack them.)
― poortheatre, Sunday, 1 July 2007 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link
er, haven't dared to attack them.
― poortheatre, Sunday, 1 July 2007 04:01 (sixteen years ago) link
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ has been pretty good, but the best article arguing against WTC controlled demolition comes from the professional demolition folks at Implosion World. (PDF link)
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 1 July 2007 06:58 (sixteen years ago) link
lol Americans.
― everything, Sunday, 1 July 2007 08:31 (sixteen years ago) link
lol everything
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
LOL @ Americans
LOL @ Teh W0lrd
lol I can't help it
lol I cant
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
<i> i just found out one of my friend's is a hardcore 9/11 conspiracy theorist. we just now became e-friends and his profile page looks like some presidential assassin's. otherwise, he's a cool, nice, normal guy.
i sent him the link to this Popular Mechanics article and he hasn't responded.<i/>
Did you, in the interests of a balanced debate, also include links to any of the many articles observing Popular Mechanics' failure to address the issues which feed so much 9/11 conspiracy theory?
Your friend might be more responsive then...
― angle of d..., Monday, 2 July 2007 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link
you fucking idiot trolls
― El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2007 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link
nah, i don't really care too much; this isn't a debate. anyone that believes in some sort of 9/11 conspiracy has some serious problems.
― poortheatre, Monday, 2 July 2007 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link
i believe in fake concocted evidence like the passport that flew out of the plane and the WTC, through the flames and landed conveniently on the street. LOL
― Heave Ho, Monday, 2 July 2007 03:38 (sixteen years ago) link
anyone that believes in some sort of 9/11 conspiracy has some serious problems.
Isn't that the Fox news technique? It is! That's what they say anytime someone suggests something they disagree with. "Crazy". Crazy is really the latest rage in put-downs, even by people who don't think about it as a "strategy," like Murdoch's team.
Just now, I feel you were being totally sincere without intention of being offensive. But, really? "Serious problems?" I don't see the connection. That means a lot of the firefighters and police who were there are wackjobs. That reminds me of when people say that "people just can't accept the reality that terrorists got the better of us." Really? To me, it's far easier and comfortable to accept that the bad guys did us harm than it is to even begin to fathom that our own government might do this to us as a false flag operation.
There is a lot of bullshit that went down that has seriously never been addressed. Heave Ho's point is just one. That's total bullshit. Or, I mean, do you think it's sane to suggest that everything was pulverized except a passport. They couldn't find a black box, but they found a passport? And the FBI list of hijackers? Or the florida dentist who was poisoned that was going to testify about the men he suspected were terrorists and was trying desperately to alert the FBI? I don't see why anyone would have to be crazy to suspect some conspiracy here.
Take a look at that documentary "The Power of Nightmares" and see if it still seems so far-fetched. It's not something slapped together like Loose Change by a bunch of college kids. And it gives a good, clear picture of how neocons think. If you have to be nutso to suspect a conspiracy, then it seems like there are a lot of crazy people out there. I mean, isn't it almost half of America now that believes our government at least knew about it and didn't do anything as a pretext for war? Not to mention the suspicion around the world? I mean, I can predict a response like, "Yeah, look how many people voted for Bush" to make the point that people are just idiots, so it's not surprising that so many believe in a conspiracy, but I'm sure a lot of very smart people voted for Bush, too.
Also, I just want to make mention that a lot of people who believe there is a conspiracy simply don't talk about it for fear of being called crazy, but they will anonymously check the appropriate mark on a poll. I don't think you have to challenge your friend or call people crazy just because it is the popular opinion. How does it help the situation for people to be on the side of government secrecy? Obviously, there's some secrets, so help put pressure to get the full story. Why help the government keep it's secrets? Rupert Murdoch isn't paying you to do that. When you look at the millions of dollars that have been spent on other investigations, 9/11 is an insult to our intelligence. $5 million without a definite official conclusion on many issues. Just dropped. And here you are helping these people to say, "Go away, go away, just leave us alone." I don't understand this. Why don't rational, responsible people want to know the full story?
― dean ge, Monday, 2 July 2007 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.rightwinged.com/images/photoshops/moonbat.jpg
― scott seward, Monday, 2 July 2007 04:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Moonbat, that's a total Fox insult which is generally followed by hanging up on a caller.
― dean ge, Monday, 2 July 2007 04:37 (sixteen years ago) link
http://ny911truth.org/images/charlie_sheen.jpg http://ny911truth.org/images/charlie_sheen.jpg http://ny911truth.org/images/charlie_sheen.jpg
― bobby bedelia, Monday, 2 July 2007 04:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Does that make me 3x the Charlie Sheen Charlie Sheen is?
― dean ge, Monday, 2 July 2007 04:52 (sixteen years ago) link
drugs will set u free
― elan, Monday, 2 July 2007 04:55 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm a scientologist
― dean ge, Monday, 2 July 2007 04:56 (sixteen years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/KoXiPrJ.jpg
here come the ROOSDeryeeeeeeah you know he ain't gonna die
― rallizes mcguire (unregistered), Saturday, 13 June 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link
wife and kids, household petfuel didn't melt that steel I betthe answer screams to me from somewhere
(...Lorax...)
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 13 June 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
aligning herself with conrad there wins, bold move
― designated hitler (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
There are lots of links and quotes in earlier posts that I jumped the gun on. If I had the ambition to start a clean thread on 9/11, I would focus more on the shit-stain America leaves on its flag by covering its ass. ROOSD is still the most sound collapse propagation model explaining the descent of the WTC 1 & 2. Seeing people get fussy over it was laughable because they didn't know why they were fussy so much as they felt they had to be.
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 22:15 (eight years ago) link
People making jokes about ROOSD was less laughable. Mainly because their jokes were on par with dad humor or dumb puns that give ilxors the giggles. (Not that there's anything wrong with that. I wish I could laugh as easily.)
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 22:29 (eight years ago) link
(Perhaps it's not about laughing easily so much as having a different sense of humor. I'll have to test this elsewhere.)
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
lmao
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 23:46 (eight years ago) link
hm
― jennifer islam (silby), Thursday, 18 June 2015 02:58 (eight years ago) link
β The Once-ler, Wednesday, June 17, 2015 10:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
mine was the best
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 18 June 2015 05:38 (eight years ago) link
I wish I could laugh as easily.
something tragic about this line
― appropriation and whatnot (stevie), Thursday, 18 June 2015 09:06 (eight years ago) link
crack yr fromage
β thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Monday, 8 June 2015 07:57 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― fear of a nakh pan itt (wins), Thursday, 18 June 2015 09:42 (eight years ago) link
I've said my piece on it itt
― designated hitler (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 June 2015 10:42 (eight years ago) link
prob wanted to limit the damage surrounding real estate, tbfeven blue cows get the girls (darraghmac) wrote this at 2011-09-04 11:42:09.000
even blue cows get the girls (darraghmac) wrote this at 2011-09-04 11:42:09.000
Burlington Coat Factory did 9/11
― how's life, Thursday, 18 June 2015 11:02 (eight years ago) link
dean did you know there's another internet underneath this one? you can't see it, but it's there, it runs on "port 6667," and it's used by the illuminati to relay coded messages
β El Tomboto, Monday, July 2, 2007 10:46 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 August 2017 04:34 (six years ago) link
if there's an ILX hall of fame, this exchange belongs in it:
max, I rather not say because I might be trying to get a job with the perpetrators ;)
β U2 the musical by Spiderman (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:42 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Walgreen's did it?
β Looking Man (Abbbottt), Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:42 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 April 2018 00:52 (six years ago) link
I don't bother looking into 9/11 conspiracies anymore because the one-sided, lackluster, 9/11 investigation was a joke that the government got away with. Going "out on a limb" and fully investigating Saudia Arabia's involvement was never going to happen.
But why should America have taken the investigation more seriously? What good would it be to open a can of worms by investigating links between Saudi perpetrators and the Saudi government?
― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link
My hunch is that Saudi Arabia wasn't *directly* responsible for 9/11. We know they basically planted the seeds that grew into it, but I don't know if it was their intention to specifically direct an attack of that scale against the U.S. I'm not sure what their interest would be in that, except in a general way to draw us into their regional conflict. But I don't know that us attacking Iraq and Afghanistan really advanced their interests. Maybe a resident ME expert can tell me what I'm missing.
It also seems plausible to me that SA had some idea that Al Qaeda was planning something, even if they didn't direct it. They must have been monitoring these groups.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
if the KSA was directly involved with 9/11 it backfired spectacularly as it put baghdad in iran's orbit and shifted the balance of power in the middle east to iran.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
It is very odd that the people who masterminded /11 were all wealthy young Saudis. Moreso that - correct me if I'm wrong - such people havent since been perpetrators in any terrorist attacks have they?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 23 April 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
Frustrated, well-educated young men are exactly the group that perpetrates most terror attacks. And Mohammed Atta was Egyptian.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 09:00 (six years ago) link
Frustrated, well-educated young men are exactly the group that perpetrates most terror attacks
mumford & sons, for example
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 09:51 (six years ago) link
https://knockknockstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/081511_First-High-Five-Pic_F-480x600.jpg
― la vache qui pleure (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 10:04 (six years ago) link
Clap Your Hands Say Allah
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
Clap Your Hands Say Yahweh
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
melt your beams say what?!
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 13:03 (six years ago) link
I don't know, seems to be a hell of a lot of feckless losers and petty criminals involved too.
― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
― Bstep, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3noExmsCRyghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdGJQgEMnxI
― Bstep, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 09:52 (four years ago) link
makes u think
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 09:57 (four years ago) link
but does not make u click
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 10:10 (four years ago) link
then fuck off
― Bstep, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 11:10 (four years ago) link
great revive (h/t BG)
― Captain ACAB (Neil S), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 11:11 (four years ago) link
ffs
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 11:19 (four years ago) link
bstep if you want to talk about 9/11 conspiracies maybe a better way to start a conversation would be an actual post outlining your thoughts instead of flopping out over four hours of youtube videos onto the thread and then telling people who engage with you to fuck off
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 11:30 (four years ago) link
h/t to pomenitul shurely
cogent arguments won't melt steel belligerence
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 12:40 (four years ago) link
9/11 is a joke iirc
― Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 12:46 (four years ago) link
Why would we not want to click on videos from the Corbett Report, a show that featured Stefan Molyneux as a "guest host"?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link
So get up get get get get down9/11 is a joke in this town
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 15:04 (four years ago) link
CaptainLorax???
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 18:29 (four years ago) link
naw he's a good poster now i kid. anyway fp'd
fp-ing over 9/11 is nagl imho
― Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
jet fuel canβt melt sbβs
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
not a good lunch
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 19:26 (four years ago) link
Nothing ruins a lunch quite like once again witnessing some fiend engaged in a 9/11 fp-fest. Get a room.
― Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
CORRECTION:
https://imgur.com/nlkTKrH
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/nlkTKrH.jpg
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
lolssss
― Ste, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link
im a fan of conspiracy theories, i find them interesting. i generally don't believe them - i think jfk was shot by oswald alone - but i enjoy the whole recounting of those suspicious facts that make you possibly question the official story. 9/11 conspiracy is a huge snooze for me though.
i remember watching football once with a schizophrenic hippy who voted green party (here in canada) and two alberta oil workers (small c conservatives, probably voted tory), and they could all agree that you'd be crazy to think the planes brought the towers down. i didn't try and disabuse them of their opinion, because what's the point?
― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link
I think a plane hitting the lawn at an speed would create a big fucking skidmark. And the a huge motherfucking explosion. I dont think there would be any green grass left in the area.β LosWoozle, Tuesday, May 7, 2002 8:00 PM bookmarkflaglink
yeah but crabgrass, nothing gets rid of crabgrassβ mark s, Tuesday, May 7, 2002 8:00 PM bookmarkflaglink
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 19 October 2022 16:58 (one year ago) link