The Colombia/Ecuador/Venezuela Mess or Let's Place Bets on How Long Before the U.S. Backs a Colombian War With Venezuela

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I smell a lot of bullshit:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_farc_laptop

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 01:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

uh, why is it so hard to believe chavez wd have close ties with the farc? he is a sleazebag of the first order, a provocateur, and has it out for u.s. foreign policy in south america (and rightfully by the way, things are a dirty fucking shame w/r/t the minimal aid we offer in exchange for a huge and heavy hand in the politics –- legitimately –– and an even larger CIA presence waging whatever kind of illicit war they have been supporting since the middle '60s?

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

close parenthetical

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's not impossible that he has ties, I just smell bullshit in this whole unfolding of events, especially since yesterday's story claimed FARC planned to make a dirty bomb.

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

Venezuela contends the texts are lies and fabrications.

If so, they are expertly done.

I love this. It reminds me of Strange Brew, where the bad guy is in court and he's like "I'd like to point out that these tapes have not been faked, or altered in any way. In fact they have time coding, which is very hard to fake."

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

they probably wouldn't bother, given the efficacy of their kidnapping as a guiding in national politics

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

What else would Venezuela say? "Oh, oops" ?

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

In a document dated Feb. 9, Marquez passes along Chavez's thanks for a $150,000 gift when he was imprisoned from 1992-94 for leading a failed coup — and indicates Chavez's desire to smear Uribe.

In it, Marquez says Venezuela wants documentation of damage by Colombia's military to "the civilian population, also images of bombardments in the jungle and its devastation — to use as a denunciation before the world."

"smear"

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

ehh, i still have a lot of faith in uribe. not to suggest he is totally above-board, but at least during his first term he was relatively effective on the fundraising fronts, and talks with w/ AUC/FARC at least became (briefly) effective.

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/chavez-russian.html

lol

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

maybe this will make dumb americans notice the large clusterfucked continent to the immediate south

remy bean, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

if it hadn't been for carter signing into law the ban on assassinations for heads-of-state, i would have a perfect solution. 'cuz it's obvious uribe doesn't know how to handle his shit w/o CIA involvement in his sketchyass AUC politix

remy bean, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

If it's that new destroyer that can't defend against anything, then they might have a chance

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

Exocet missiles to thread. etc.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

Smuggling chicken parts???

Pylon Gnasher, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 09:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Report: Launch of CIA ‘cocaine coup’ turned on Romney win

For more than a year the CIA has been trafficking 300 kilos of cocaine a month from Ecuador to Chile for export on to Europe, according to recent credible media reports from Santiago, the Chilean capital.

Proceeds from the 300 kilo-a-month business have been used to create a war-chest to finance a Cocaine Coup in Ecuador that was scheduled to be “green-lighted” after the expected win in the just-concluded U.S. Presidential election—expected, at least, by some Agency officials—of Mitt Romney.

It's a CIA “Ay, there’s the rub” moment.

He's a leftist. Isn't that enough?

The machinations were part of a plan to topple current Ecuador President Rafael Correa, who is unpopular in Washington.

An unexpected side effect of the revelation of the plan, which has received little publicity, has been to focus an observer's attention on what's going on in the drug trade in Ecuador lately. The country's history in the drug business, almost as rich as Switzerland's with banks, goes back a long way.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 25 November 2012 01:06 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/20/the-game-changed/

Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 20:33 (four years ago) Permalink

I've got a former lover and a couple of frightened students trying to find a place with power. This is depressing:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/20/voices-latin-america/5644541/

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:34 (four years ago) Permalink

Any reliable commentary on what's going on there? Because all I'm seeing in most places is competing ideologies. I know my history and I don't doubt that the US would like to see the govt go but the Counterpunch left's assumption that all the opposition are fascists and any journalist who criticises Maduro is a CIA shill is embarrassing.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:52 (four years ago) Permalink

Ignacio Portes on Twitter is always very good but I'm having trouble finding longform pieces by him.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 19:25 (four years ago) Permalink

This is the only unbiased piece I've found so far.

venezuelablog.tumblr.com/post/76591076425/who-was-responsible-for-yesterdays-violence-in

Portes seems reliable. Thanks ShariVari. I do think the left has a blind spot when it comes to acknowledging Chavez/Maduro's failings, as if to criticise the govt at all would be playing into the hands of conservatives who want a coup.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Maduro's a thug

A specialist in foolery (Michael White), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:52 (four years ago) Permalink

I can't look at this with anything other than sadness, the degeneration from leftist savior to aparatus of political oppression being so predictable

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:55 (four years ago) Permalink

A lot of friends on the left seem to think it will do the cause harm if they acknowledge the chavismos' crimes and fuck-ups. I think the risk lies in not doing so.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 10:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Nuance is hard to come by in these situations. If most of the professional journalists writing about Venezuela, Ukraine or Syria only have a very superficial understanding of the situations there, it's unlikely many other people, unless they have been following them closely for a number of years, are going to have the kind of depth of insight that you need to take a balanced view. It's also a reflection of the move towards news outlets being competing echo chambers - readers can simply select news sources that agree with them. Even papers like The Guardian have blurred the lines between comment and reporting to such a degree that 'balance' seems to be sought through having five journalists take one highly ideological stance and one or two take the completely opposite one.

That said, i can sympathise with the desire to push back when the mainstream media is so overwhelmingly backing one narrow viewpoint. If you think that this is a right-wing coup against a democratically-elected leftist government, and most papers of note are telling you it's not - ignoring any facts that don't fit their narrative, the temptation to do more or less the same is always going to be there.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Thursday, 27 February 2014 11:46 (four years ago) Permalink

OTM but it doesn't create a satisfying dialogue and it's depressing to see the left ignore, for example, Venezuela's massive rape problem. Even if unsavoury characters like Lopez are hijacking the student protests for their own ends, it doesn't mean that the students' objections, or those of other citizens, should be brushed aside. It feels like as long as the US and the shady Venezuelan right want Maduro out then the left can only mention the country's real problems in a handwaving "Of course… but…" way.

I need to read more about the likelihood of an actual coup because obvs there's a difference between protesters wanting a leader to step down and a full-scale Pinochet-style armed coup, eg in Ukraine there's either been a revolution or a coup depending on who you speak to.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 12:45 (four years ago) Permalink

I've been trying to discuss this on Twitter and boy do people not give a shit, so thanks ILX

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 13:00 (four years ago) Permalink

I can't listen to it at work but there's an interview / podcast with Ignacio Portes here:

http://www.r1.co.nz/podcasts/Olivier%20-%20Ignacio%20Portes.mp3

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Friday, 28 February 2014 12:00 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure Chavez or Maduro were ever saviors

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 February 2014 12:07 (four years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I don't know much about this, but after catching a couple of news reports full of rich kids with nice clothes, fancy tents, and smart phones trying their best to look put-upon and oppressed, the protests looked awfully stage directed to me, and the hijacking of the vocabulary of revolution was pretty infuriating. Kind of hard to muster sympathy for the "poor little rich boy"

Dan I., Friday, 27 June 2014 17:02 (four years ago) Permalink

and yeah, the whole scene screamed "CIA"

Dan I., Friday, 27 June 2014 17:03 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Probably deserves a new thread, but Venezuela is looking really bad right now.

Looting On the Rise As Venezuela Runs Out of Food, Electricity

On Wednesday, the Venezuelan Chamber of Food (Cavidea) said in a statement that most companies only have 15 days worth of stocked food.

According to the union, the production of food will continue to dwindle because raw materials as well as local and foreign inputs are depleted.

In the statement, Cavidea reported that they are 300 days overdue on payments to suppliers and it’s been 200 days since the national government last authorized the purchase of dollars under the foreign currency control system.

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Sunday, 1 May 2016 23:13 (two years ago) Permalink

Not headline worthy yet, I guess:

Hungry Venezuelans Hunt Dogs, Cats, Pigeons as Food Runs Out

The population’s desperation has begun to show, with looting and robberies for food increasing all the time. This Sunday, May 1, six Venezuelan military officials were arrested for stealing goats to ease their hunger, as there was no food at the Fort Manaure military base. The week before, various regions of the country saw widespread looting of shopping malls, pharmacies, supermarkets and food trucks, all while people chanted “we are hungry.”

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:22 (two years ago) Permalink

In addition to dogs and cats, people are also killing pigeons to stave off hunger (El Nacional)

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:39 (two years ago) Permalink

they should probably the kill the pigeons first and eat the cats and dogs afterwards if necessary

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:41 (two years ago) Permalink

bread + circuses work but the bread part is non-negotiable

Mordy, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:42 (two years ago) Permalink

pigeons are better than bread

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:42 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

bread + circuses work but the bread part is non-negotiable

'We want food!', Venezuelans cry at protest near presidency

we're kinda studiously ignoring this bc politically inconvenient yes?

Mordy, Friday, 3 June 2016 05:00 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't know, there hasn't been that much talk of the right-wing coup in Brazil either? I guess because it's really hard to pin on Hillary...

But, really, the left's love of Venezuela was always going to backfire. Oil cronyism is bad whether the leaders are right or left-wing.

Frederik B, Friday, 3 June 2016 10:08 (two years ago) Permalink

when your economy is based on oil, it suffers when oil prices collapse.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 3 June 2016 19:18 (two years ago) Permalink

that def a big piece of it but the currency + price controls don't work so well either. the oil collapse sparked the crisis but the economic system exacerbated it.

Mordy, Friday, 3 June 2016 19:23 (two years ago) Permalink

The Chavez years had an economic stability that hadn't been seen since the 70s iirc, largely by virtue of high oil prices. The social and development programmes he implemented came at a price that wasn't sustainable in a crash and, having come in on the back of twenty years of disaster, there wasn't much chance to build up reserves that would allow them to ride it out.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 3 June 2016 19:40 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/08/481225008/bust-times-in-oil-rich-venezuela-the-banks-dont-have-money-to-give-out

Terry Gross interviews NYT reporter Nicholas Casey about Venezuela

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 02:12 (two years ago) Permalink

CASEY: Well, yeah. A lot of people are looking at who or what is to blame. There's a lot of things going on right now. One of them is the legacy in the years and aftermath after Hugo Chavez. There was a huge amount of hope throughout the left in Latin America when Chavez came to power.

He was saying many things that no one else was saying and talking about inequality in terms that hadn't been heard in Latin America for years. Unfortunately, what followed was years of mismanagement on every level - a lot of corruption, misunderstandings of how the economy worked or how to fix it.

You know, I'll give you one example that you see a lot. It is causing a lot of the problems in Venezuela - is price controls. During those years, they brought the price of selling something lower than what it cost to make it. So if you wanted to get milk, it was at a very inexpensive price, which was great if you were poor.

The problem was if you were a farmer or, you know, owned an operation that was producing milk. And you couldn't produce it for the price that it was going to be sold for. So what happened next? Well, you just didn't produce it anymore.

So you started to see this huge collapse of production throughout the country. People stopped making beans. People stopped making rice. Venezuela went from being an exporter of meat to importing it. And one by one, all of these things stopped being made in the country.

Well, it wasn't the end of the world then, because there was so much money from the oil that you could just buy it. You could buy it for dollars. And the response was - well, we'll just import it. We can bring all these things in. It's a rich country. Well, this continued for years.

But the problem next came when the price of oil collapsed. And there wasn't any money to buy the imports. And there was no way to make them. So just what happened was - everything started to disappear. So that's part of the reason why Venezuela is where it is. That said, called the proximate cause - is years of mismanagement from these policies, dating back to Hugo Chavez.

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 02:19 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/world/americas/venezuelans-ransack-stores-as-hunger-stalks-crumbling-nation.html

A staggering 87 percent of Venezuelans say they do not have money to buy enough food, the most recent assessment of living standards by Simón Bolívar University found.

About 72 percent of monthly wages are being spent just to buy food, according to the Center for Documentation and Social Analysis, a research group associated with the Venezuelan Teachers Federation.

In April, it found that a family would need the equivalent of 16 minimum-wage salaries to properly feed itself.

Ask people in this city when they last ate a meal, and many will respond that it was not today.

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 03:11 (two years ago) Permalink

fuk

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 20 June 2016 03:17 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Not binding and is unlikely to derail the whole process but...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/02/colombia-referendum-rejects-peace-deal-with-farc

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 3 October 2016 08:03 (two years ago) Permalink

"No one is so foolish as to prefer war to peace". In your face, Herodotus! The modern era has sure proved that wrong.

two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Monday, 3 October 2016 11:35 (two years ago) Permalink

You're utterly deranged.

Frederik B, Sunday, 10 February 2019 13:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Keep going like this.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 13:29 (one week ago) Permalink

fred u might be done

alomar lines, Sunday, 10 February 2019 13:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Learning of Abrams' (public) full CV when it comes to uh foreign misadventures was kinda stunning to me. Shoulda been hung decades ago.

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:09 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah he's a fucking monster, if there was any lingering doubt about what a bad idea US involvement is here, Abrams being part of it should have erased those concerns

sleeve, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:53 (one week ago) Permalink

can't shake his evil fucking laughter a little over 15 minutes into this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ig0YvJCh5w

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:57 (one week ago) Permalink

I think it's a reasonable proposition that an US backed coup, even with some **gasp** privatization, is a much better alternative than a Russia-backed dictatorship/proper coup that has ripped the country apart for the last few years. I don't see a realistic third alternative anyway, maybe ShariVari has an idea.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 February 2019 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I think it's a reasonable proposition that an US backed coup, even with some **gasp** privatization, is a much better alternative than a Russia-backed dictatorship

You're adorable.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 10 February 2019 19:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Thanks, trying my best. But now to engage with the idea...

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:01 (one week ago) Permalink

I think if you'd read SV's posts you might he noticed he's already spent a good deal of time talking about alternatives to Trump getting a war all of his own and/or Maduro carrying on as before.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Fred, are you familiar with the phrase "caught between the devil and the deep blue sea" or "jumping out the frying pan and into the fire"? That's where ordinary Venezuelans are caught atm.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:07 (one week ago) Permalink

But now to engage with the idea...

There is no idea to engage with. You're presenting a false dichotomy - just a happy lil' American-backed coup that will quickly resolve into a liberal democracy with some privatization, no biggie. Which would, of course, be all but unprecedented in our history of regime change.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Chavismo comes from a completely different place to Putin. Like, there are social movements behind the thing.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Chavismo comes from a completely different place to Putin. Like, there are social movements behind the thing.

― xyzzzz__, Sunday, February 10, 2019 3:13 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I would not call what is happening right now 'Chavismo'. I think that ship sailed a long time ago, we all know the social movement has been replaced by an economy that has been in the hands of the military and that the PDVSA is barely in the hands of the people.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:17 (one week ago) Permalink

If that were so Maduro's vote would've collapsed completely and that just isn't the case.

Stop saying - like Fred was doing - 'we all know' or 'we can all agree'. There isn't going to be any of that.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:21 (one week ago) Permalink

There is no idea to engage with. You're presenting a false dichotomy - just a happy lil' American-backed coup that will quickly resolve into a liberal democracy with some privatization, no biggie. Which would, of course, be all but unprecedented in our history of regime change.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, February 10, 2019 3:12 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think an American backed coup will quickly resolve into a liberal democracy anytime soon. I have made no such claims. Nothing will be resolved quickly. The moment they added Abrams to spearhead the whole thing I lost hope for the liberal democracy with would all wish for Venezuela in this thread. However, I'm just imagining there is quite a decent chance the situation improves under the conditions of an American-backed coup, only because the present is just that horrible and little seem to budge Maduro.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:26 (one week ago) Permalink

If that were so Maduro's vote would've collapsed completely and that just isn't the case.

Stop saying - like Fred was doing - 'we all know' or 'we can all agree'. There isn't going to be any of that.

― xyzzzz__, Sunday, February 10, 2019 3:21 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He is polling 20% and was elected fraudulently, and he replaced the entire supreme court with his lackeys. The vote has collapsed.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:28 (one week ago) Permalink

xp = you should read SVs posts again. The oppotisition is divided and in any case, John Bolton isn't the answer.

Part of the point is that we don't live there and while I may think its not as bad or you may think it can't get any worse ultimately we are all talking about this after the opposition leader's ridiculous action of calling himself president and the likes of Bolton moving in to a coup. Its pure news cycle talk that is built-in from an interventionist politics.

We all live in the West and comfortambly - we can't tell others thousands of miles away how to do things and who to elect, or Maduro must go when the facts aren't straight or at all clear, and the only who is absolutely clear is Fred - and he got that from watching a Venuzuelan film that won a prize in Europe. Its a total joke.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:32 (one week ago) Permalink

I mean Trump is going around putting some nasty pieces in the courts; the Republicans are committing electoral fraud like there's no tomorrow. This country has deported black people back to Jamaica who have lived here for decades. We can't tell Maduro to step down.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:35 (one week ago) Permalink

We can't tell Maduro to step down? That pony's already out of the barn.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:37 (one week ago) Permalink

However, I'm just imagining there is quite a decent chance the situation improves under the conditions of an American-backed coup

Its going to improve for middle-class Venuzuelans and landowners who will be ok with fascism only.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Well to be fair if a Venezuelan would think Trump should step down, I would agree with the Venezuelan.

There is enough fair journalism to know how shitty the situation is.

It's not that I am for interventionism. Is that interventionism already happened in Venezuela in such a large extent that I personally believe it is worth asking ourselves 'should we let that situation go on'? If you think that we should, then that's a fair position. I don't think we should, nor should I think Bolton and Abrams have the best solutions, far from it, just a slightly better alternative to the present.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

We can't tell Maduro to step down? That pony's already out of the barn.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 10 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Obviously the likes of Fred and Trump will tell Maduro to go - they love shouting and when anyone disagrees they will say they are doing a great job and the problem is YOU. No saving those ppl.

But I think others should take a step back from adventures in Latin America/middle-east because of so-called humanitarian reasons. That stuff is very distorted in the media, and its often caused by sanctions from western governments that are not happy the ppl might want something else. Our system of governance is broken, many of us in these rich countries are sleeping rough and children are in dire poverty. Lets look at ourselves.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:47 (one week ago) Permalink

Its going to improve for middle-class Venuzuelans and landowners who will be ok with fascism only.

― xyzzzz__, Sunday, February 10, 2019 3:38 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Is Guaido a fascist? A neo-liberal lackey I would accept at this point but fascism is something specific and I will wait for more information to make that claim (if you have it please link it to me).

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:48 (one week ago) Permalink

must say an rud nua of picking one (easy target) person in each thread and petulantly referring everything mockingly back to them without any seeming point and more aggression than wit doesnt fill me with confidence that whatever radical burn-it-all-down social philosophy you're boosting atm is the answer xyzzzzz

ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Look at how economic loosening has been applied in the likes of Russia. Or the neo-liberal continuum in the UK that has paved the way for Brexit and the rise of insecurity for migrants. I wouldn't be welcoming neo-libs.

Again you can say what you would accept but equally you won't have to live with the consequences if it goes wrong.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:55 (one week ago) Permalink

xyzzzz specifically doesn’t want to burn it all down - as SV has set out above, the approach that guaido is taking risks (at best) seeming highly dubious and illegitimate and (at worst) civil war

using mexico and uruguay as honest brokers for s good faith negotiated settlement seems like the best way to thread the needle here

||||||||, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:56 (one week ago) Permalink

he can speak for himself ofc but I’m sure he’d only say “who da fuq is fred”

||||||||, Sunday, 10 February 2019 20:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Apologies for this interruption. I fully admit to knowing very little about politics but I always thought the reason Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea are judged as being so much worse is that they seem to treat their people with a cruelty that Tories and Republicans can only have wet dreams about?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:00 (one week ago) Permalink

Darragh, do you want me to pull your ban Fred b thread?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:07 (one week ago) Permalink

it wouldnt be undeserved or anything but yknow i offer the above without rancour

ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:08 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't really want to see the guy banned or anything. But if anyone says things like 'sanctions are punishment' or 'lose electability to the coup plotters', or 'fuck parties that have 40% support this is nothing to me' I mean you might want to keep quiet but I don't want to be a saint, maybe you do idk.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:13 (one week ago) Permalink

cultural catholic man wcis

ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Whatever you think of the BBC its good they published this transcript of an interview with Maduro.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-47211509

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:00 (five days ago) Permalink

Rep. Omar asks if Abrams will back genocide in Venezuela like he did Guatemala. He's refusing to answer. She's not taking his BS.

— Sam Husseini (@samhusseini) February 13, 2019

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:30 (five days ago) Permalink

Loved the US is governed by the KKK bit!

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:09 (five days ago) Permalink

lmao @ how much is a kilo of cheese

||||||||, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:47 (five days ago) Permalink

That Corbyn bit at the end was another good lol

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:51 (five days ago) Permalink

The Center for American Progress weighs in

I worked for Elliott Abrams as a civil servant. He is a fierce advocate for human rights and democracy. Yes, he made serious professional mistakes and was held accountable. I’m a liberal but I’m also fair. We all have a lot of work to do together in Venezuela. We share goals.

— Kelly Magsamen (@kellymagsamen) February 13, 2019

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:52 (five days ago) Permalink

A great rationale for for moving the national capital to Guam and turning inside the Beltway into a lovely pastureland where cows may safely graze.

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) February 13, 2019

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:56 (five days ago) Permalink

Whatever you think of the BBC its good they published this transcript of an interview with Maduro.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-47211509

I think it's shameful they haven't released the video. Reporter got rinsed.

ogmor, Thursday, 14 February 2019 11:00 (four days ago) Permalink

I was thinking whether its normal practice to release a full video of an interview or not? I mean I would encounter this as edited extracts in a wider report at 11pm on newsnight or something, when I used to watch it.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 14 February 2019 11:06 (four days ago) Permalink

if they thought they'd skewered him it'd be all over newsnight

ogmor, Thursday, 14 February 2019 13:01 (four days ago) Permalink

Greg Grandin! Good.

a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 February 2019 17:37 (three days ago) Permalink

the not-at-all-lefty National Post reports:

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro is undergoing the biggest crisis of his tenure, after opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself president and was swiftly backed by countries around the globe, led by the U.S.

In the secret cache displayed by the Maduro government were 19 assault weapons, 118 ammunition cartridges, dozens of military radio antennas and more. Putting on a show for the cameras, the government displayed AR-15 rifles, a Micro Draco semi-automatic pistol and a Colt 7.62 rifle with telescopic sights.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/was-a-u-s-cargo-jet-smuggling-arms-to-rebels-in-venezuela-these-flight-patterns-sure-look-weird

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 15 February 2019 18:34 (three days ago) Permalink

I was thinking last week that what this story needed was Richard Branson popping up out of nowhere with a weird front organisation and agitating to open the border with Colombia...

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 February 2019 05:39 (two days ago) Permalink

lol what jokers.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 February 2019 13:30 (two days ago) Permalink


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