The Colombia/Ecuador/Venezuela Mess or Let's Place Bets on How Long Before the U.S. Backs a Colombian War With Venezuela

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I smell a lot of bullshit:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_farc_laptop

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 01:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

uh, why is it so hard to believe chavez wd have close ties with the farc? he is a sleazebag of the first order, a provocateur, and has it out for u.s. foreign policy in south america (and rightfully by the way, things are a dirty fucking shame w/r/t the minimal aid we offer in exchange for a huge and heavy hand in the politics –- legitimately –– and an even larger CIA presence waging whatever kind of illicit war they have been supporting since the middle '60s?

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

close parenthetical

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's not impossible that he has ties, I just smell bullshit in this whole unfolding of events, especially since yesterday's story claimed FARC planned to make a dirty bomb.

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Venezuela contends the texts are lies and fabrications.

If so, they are expertly done.

I love this. It reminds me of Strange Brew, where the bad guy is in court and he's like "I'd like to point out that these tapes have not been faked, or altered in any way. In fact they have time coding, which is very hard to fake."

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

they probably wouldn't bother, given the efficacy of their kidnapping as a guiding in national politics

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

What else would Venezuela say? "Oh, oops" ?

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

In a document dated Feb. 9, Marquez passes along Chavez's thanks for a $150,000 gift when he was imprisoned from 1992-94 for leading a failed coup — and indicates Chavez's desire to smear Uribe.

In it, Marquez says Venezuela wants documentation of damage by Colombia's military to "the civilian population, also images of bombardments in the jungle and its devastation — to use as a denunciation before the world."

"smear"

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ehh, i still have a lot of faith in uribe. not to suggest he is totally above-board, but at least during his first term he was relatively effective on the fundraising fronts, and talks with w/ AUC/FARC at least became (briefly) effective.

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/chavez-russian.html

lol

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

maybe this will make dumb americans notice the large clusterfucked continent to the immediate south

remy bean, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

if it hadn't been for carter signing into law the ban on assassinations for heads-of-state, i would have a perfect solution. 'cuz it's obvious uribe doesn't know how to handle his shit w/o CIA involvement in his sketchyass AUC politix

remy bean, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

If it's that new destroyer that can't defend against anything, then they might have a chance

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

Exocet missiles to thread. etc.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

Smuggling chicken parts???

Pylon Gnasher, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 09:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

Report: Launch of CIA ‘cocaine coup’ turned on Romney win

For more than a year the CIA has been trafficking 300 kilos of cocaine a month from Ecuador to Chile for export on to Europe, according to recent credible media reports from Santiago, the Chilean capital.

Proceeds from the 300 kilo-a-month business have been used to create a war-chest to finance a Cocaine Coup in Ecuador that was scheduled to be “green-lighted” after the expected win in the just-concluded U.S. Presidential election—expected, at least, by some Agency officials—of Mitt Romney.

It's a CIA “Ay, there’s the rub” moment.

He's a leftist. Isn't that enough?

The machinations were part of a plan to topple current Ecuador President Rafael Correa, who is unpopular in Washington.

An unexpected side effect of the revelation of the plan, which has received little publicity, has been to focus an observer's attention on what's going on in the drug trade in Ecuador lately. The country's history in the drug business, almost as rich as Switzerland's with banks, goes back a long way.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 25 November 2012 01:06 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/20/the-game-changed/

Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 20:33 (five years ago) Permalink

I've got a former lover and a couple of frightened students trying to find a place with power. This is depressing:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/20/voices-latin-america/5644541/

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:34 (five years ago) Permalink

Any reliable commentary on what's going on there? Because all I'm seeing in most places is competing ideologies. I know my history and I don't doubt that the US would like to see the govt go but the Counterpunch left's assumption that all the opposition are fascists and any journalist who criticises Maduro is a CIA shill is embarrassing.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:52 (five years ago) Permalink

Ignacio Portes on Twitter is always very good but I'm having trouble finding longform pieces by him.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 19:25 (five years ago) Permalink

This is the only unbiased piece I've found so far.

venezuelablog.tumblr.com/post/76591076425/who-was-responsible-for-yesterdays-violence-in

Portes seems reliable. Thanks ShariVari. I do think the left has a blind spot when it comes to acknowledging Chavez/Maduro's failings, as if to criticise the govt at all would be playing into the hands of conservatives who want a coup.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Maduro's a thug

A specialist in foolery (Michael White), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:52 (five years ago) Permalink

I can't look at this with anything other than sadness, the degeneration from leftist savior to aparatus of political oppression being so predictable

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:55 (five years ago) Permalink

A lot of friends on the left seem to think it will do the cause harm if they acknowledge the chavismos' crimes and fuck-ups. I think the risk lies in not doing so.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 10:02 (five years ago) Permalink

Nuance is hard to come by in these situations. If most of the professional journalists writing about Venezuela, Ukraine or Syria only have a very superficial understanding of the situations there, it's unlikely many other people, unless they have been following them closely for a number of years, are going to have the kind of depth of insight that you need to take a balanced view. It's also a reflection of the move towards news outlets being competing echo chambers - readers can simply select news sources that agree with them. Even papers like The Guardian have blurred the lines between comment and reporting to such a degree that 'balance' seems to be sought through having five journalists take one highly ideological stance and one or two take the completely opposite one.

That said, i can sympathise with the desire to push back when the mainstream media is so overwhelmingly backing one narrow viewpoint. If you think that this is a right-wing coup against a democratically-elected leftist government, and most papers of note are telling you it's not - ignoring any facts that don't fit their narrative, the temptation to do more or less the same is always going to be there.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Thursday, 27 February 2014 11:46 (five years ago) Permalink

OTM but it doesn't create a satisfying dialogue and it's depressing to see the left ignore, for example, Venezuela's massive rape problem. Even if unsavoury characters like Lopez are hijacking the student protests for their own ends, it doesn't mean that the students' objections, or those of other citizens, should be brushed aside. It feels like as long as the US and the shady Venezuelan right want Maduro out then the left can only mention the country's real problems in a handwaving "Of course… but…" way.

I need to read more about the likelihood of an actual coup because obvs there's a difference between protesters wanting a leader to step down and a full-scale Pinochet-style armed coup, eg in Ukraine there's either been a revolution or a coup depending on who you speak to.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 12:45 (five years ago) Permalink

I've been trying to discuss this on Twitter and boy do people not give a shit, so thanks ILX

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 13:00 (five years ago) Permalink

I can't listen to it at work but there's an interview / podcast with Ignacio Portes here:

http://www.r1.co.nz/podcasts/Olivier%20-%20Ignacio%20Portes.mp3

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Friday, 28 February 2014 12:00 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure Chavez or Maduro were ever saviors

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 February 2014 12:07 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I don't know much about this, but after catching a couple of news reports full of rich kids with nice clothes, fancy tents, and smart phones trying their best to look put-upon and oppressed, the protests looked awfully stage directed to me, and the hijacking of the vocabulary of revolution was pretty infuriating. Kind of hard to muster sympathy for the "poor little rich boy"

Dan I., Friday, 27 June 2014 17:02 (four years ago) Permalink

and yeah, the whole scene screamed "CIA"

Dan I., Friday, 27 June 2014 17:03 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Probably deserves a new thread, but Venezuela is looking really bad right now.

Looting On the Rise As Venezuela Runs Out of Food, Electricity

On Wednesday, the Venezuelan Chamber of Food (Cavidea) said in a statement that most companies only have 15 days worth of stocked food.

According to the union, the production of food will continue to dwindle because raw materials as well as local and foreign inputs are depleted.

In the statement, Cavidea reported that they are 300 days overdue on payments to suppliers and it’s been 200 days since the national government last authorized the purchase of dollars under the foreign currency control system.

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Sunday, 1 May 2016 23:13 (two years ago) Permalink

Not headline worthy yet, I guess:

Hungry Venezuelans Hunt Dogs, Cats, Pigeons as Food Runs Out

The population’s desperation has begun to show, with looting and robberies for food increasing all the time. This Sunday, May 1, six Venezuelan military officials were arrested for stealing goats to ease their hunger, as there was no food at the Fort Manaure military base. The week before, various regions of the country saw widespread looting of shopping malls, pharmacies, supermarkets and food trucks, all while people chanted “we are hungry.”

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:22 (two years ago) Permalink

In addition to dogs and cats, people are also killing pigeons to stave off hunger (El Nacional)

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:39 (two years ago) Permalink

they should probably the kill the pigeons first and eat the cats and dogs afterwards if necessary

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:41 (two years ago) Permalink

bread + circuses work but the bread part is non-negotiable

Mordy, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:42 (two years ago) Permalink

pigeons are better than bread

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:42 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

bread + circuses work but the bread part is non-negotiable

'We want food!', Venezuelans cry at protest near presidency

we're kinda studiously ignoring this bc politically inconvenient yes?

Mordy, Friday, 3 June 2016 05:00 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't know, there hasn't been that much talk of the right-wing coup in Brazil either? I guess because it's really hard to pin on Hillary...

But, really, the left's love of Venezuela was always going to backfire. Oil cronyism is bad whether the leaders are right or left-wing.

Frederik B, Friday, 3 June 2016 10:08 (two years ago) Permalink

when your economy is based on oil, it suffers when oil prices collapse.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 3 June 2016 19:18 (two years ago) Permalink

that def a big piece of it but the currency + price controls don't work so well either. the oil collapse sparked the crisis but the economic system exacerbated it.

Mordy, Friday, 3 June 2016 19:23 (two years ago) Permalink

The Chavez years had an economic stability that hadn't been seen since the 70s iirc, largely by virtue of high oil prices. The social and development programmes he implemented came at a price that wasn't sustainable in a crash and, having come in on the back of twenty years of disaster, there wasn't much chance to build up reserves that would allow them to ride it out.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 3 June 2016 19:40 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/08/481225008/bust-times-in-oil-rich-venezuela-the-banks-dont-have-money-to-give-out

Terry Gross interviews NYT reporter Nicholas Casey about Venezuela

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 02:12 (two years ago) Permalink

CASEY: Well, yeah. A lot of people are looking at who or what is to blame. There's a lot of things going on right now. One of them is the legacy in the years and aftermath after Hugo Chavez. There was a huge amount of hope throughout the left in Latin America when Chavez came to power.

He was saying many things that no one else was saying and talking about inequality in terms that hadn't been heard in Latin America for years. Unfortunately, what followed was years of mismanagement on every level - a lot of corruption, misunderstandings of how the economy worked or how to fix it.

You know, I'll give you one example that you see a lot. It is causing a lot of the problems in Venezuela - is price controls. During those years, they brought the price of selling something lower than what it cost to make it. So if you wanted to get milk, it was at a very inexpensive price, which was great if you were poor.

The problem was if you were a farmer or, you know, owned an operation that was producing milk. And you couldn't produce it for the price that it was going to be sold for. So what happened next? Well, you just didn't produce it anymore.

So you started to see this huge collapse of production throughout the country. People stopped making beans. People stopped making rice. Venezuela went from being an exporter of meat to importing it. And one by one, all of these things stopped being made in the country.

Well, it wasn't the end of the world then, because there was so much money from the oil that you could just buy it. You could buy it for dollars. And the response was - well, we'll just import it. We can bring all these things in. It's a rich country. Well, this continued for years.

But the problem next came when the price of oil collapsed. And there wasn't any money to buy the imports. And there was no way to make them. So just what happened was - everything started to disappear. So that's part of the reason why Venezuela is where it is. That said, called the proximate cause - is years of mismanagement from these policies, dating back to Hugo Chavez.

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 02:19 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/world/americas/venezuelans-ransack-stores-as-hunger-stalks-crumbling-nation.html

A staggering 87 percent of Venezuelans say they do not have money to buy enough food, the most recent assessment of living standards by Simón Bolívar University found.

About 72 percent of monthly wages are being spent just to buy food, according to the Center for Documentation and Social Analysis, a research group associated with the Venezuelan Teachers Federation.

In April, it found that a family would need the equivalent of 16 minimum-wage salaries to properly feed itself.

Ask people in this city when they last ate a meal, and many will respond that it was not today.

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 03:11 (two years ago) Permalink

fuk

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 20 June 2016 03:17 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Not binding and is unlikely to derail the whole process but...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/02/colombia-referendum-rejects-peace-deal-with-farc

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 3 October 2016 08:03 (two years ago) Permalink

"No one is so foolish as to prefer war to peace". In your face, Herodotus! The modern era has sure proved that wrong.

two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Monday, 3 October 2016 11:35 (two years ago) Permalink

Also, just lol at the idea that critics of chavist Venezuela are too focused on single persons. You're an endless fount of well-informed but inane bullshit, SV.

Frederik B, Thursday, 21 February 2019 18:37 (two months ago) Permalink

shut the fuck up fred

you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Thursday, 21 February 2019 18:39 (two months ago) Permalink

^^ needs sitewide mod privs ASAP

sold out in presale (sleeve), Thursday, 21 February 2019 18:41 (two months ago) Permalink

my man

you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Thursday, 21 February 2019 18:43 (two months ago) Permalink

It's perfectly easy to assume the evil-worst of American involvement, i.e. Elliot Abrams, and want something better for Venezuelans than Maduro, whose government is the recipient of unnecessary hardship thanks to the United States but whose policies represent failure too. But that's for neutral arbitrators or Venezuela to sort out .

a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 February 2019 19:05 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, neutral countries like Denmark! All you ilxors of the wannabe empires need to stay out of this.

Frederik B, Thursday, 21 February 2019 19:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Fixing Alfred's quotation upthread concerning Eliot Abrams:

one of the most influential and eloquent voices for putting abundant lip service toward human rights and democracy front and center in American foreign policy whenever it proves most expedient for US corporate interests.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 21 February 2019 19:52 (two months ago) Permalink

im obv opposed to regime change but i just have never been very convinced by that variety of whataboutery. and there is a difference between getting worse and not getting better of course

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Would US intervention make things "not getting better" and is that enough for you? What would be the price that most non-white Venezuelans pay for that? It might take the pressure off Chile or what would a Venezuelan civil war mean for Chile? I know you are not for intervention either but you are fond of the word "whataboutery" but do your lines of thinking amount to US intervention and who would benefit?

But that's for neutral arbitrators or Venezuela to sort out

NO, it is for Venezuelans ONLY to sort out - with neutral, good-faith arbitrators and only if Venezuelans want it.

Take another example in Zimbawe - evil Mugabe is now gone. Is life any better for its people? I am sure we could google and find out via reports or the odd blog from far away, but we really wouldn't know. And anyway it doesn't matter because its off the news. There is something wrong in getting to grips with a country now and then just because we don't take too kindly to its leader and the news needs to fill us in.

And what are our leaders like anyway? In the UK we see what nice sounding liberals like Cameron have bought, and what the country might turn into. A lot of it is that we in the West don't like anything off the liberal path but we see what hell the UK and US are for a lot of people. SVs point is quite good there. But our understanding is limited.

On top of that, imagine what some of the ppl drawing up foreign policy are like. Some don't even get it, others are Trump-like watching fucking Narcos on Neflix like cunts and seriously bringing that to a discussion.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 February 2019 21:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Take another example in Zimbawe - evil Mugabe is now gone. Is life any better for its people?

the same regime is in power. would be the equivalent of maduro stepping aside for someone else in the PSUV

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 February 2019 22:50 (two months ago) Permalink

im obv opposed to regime change but i just have never been very convinced by that variety of whataboutery. and there is a difference between getting worse and not getting better of course
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Would US intervention make things "not getting better" and is that enough for you? What would be the price that most non-white Venezuelans pay for that? It might take the pressure off Chile or what would a Venezuelan civil war mean for Chile? I know you are not for intervention either but you are fond of the word "whataboutery" but do your lines of thinking amount to US intervention and who would benefit?

im not bothered about venezuelan immigration to chile - other than venezuelans being given preferential treatment while the conservative government simultaneously makes it harder for people to immigrate from other less developed countries in the americas, especially haiti.

whataboutery i am fond of because saying "columbia has poverty too" while you preside over a failing state isn't a fucking argument, all arguments in a similar vein carry no water at all, and they're a personal bugbear.

as I'm explicitly against US intervention your question regarding that is basically a non-sequitur.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 February 2019 22:55 (two months ago) Permalink

NO, it is for Venezuelans ONLY to sort out - with neutral, good-faith arbitrators and only if Venezuelans want it.

I thought I implied the latter, but I suppose "and" did too much work.

a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 February 2019 22:58 (two months ago) Permalink

oh well. google the headline...

Frederik B, Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:31 (two months ago) Permalink

whataboutery i am fond of because saying "columbia has poverty too" while you preside over a failing state isn't a fucking argument, all arguments in a similar vein carry no water at all, and they're a personal bugbear.

I get where you are coming from but in this specific example, you have a country with, what, 4m internally displaced refugees?, many of whom are in abject poverty, pulling stunts with hundreds of tonnes of rotting food in order to gain international public support for their troops to be able to roll across the border. Pushing back on whether poverty alleviation is the core objective and highlighting that the two countries share some of the same issues is legit. As you say, it’s not an answer for why Venezuela is getting worse, in itself, though.

ShariVari, Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:46 (two months ago) Permalink

rotting food? link?

Frederik B, Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:50 (two months ago) Permalink

It goes without saying that hundreds of thousands are suffering in Venezuela, and the instinct to alleviate that suffering is a healthy one. But a craven marketing stunt by far-right Cold Warriors—without any buy-in from actual aid organizations—cannot be taken at face value.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-u-s-venezuela-aid-convoy-story-is-clearly-bogus-but-no-one-wants-to-say-it/

sold out in presale (sleeve), Friday, 22 February 2019 04:53 (two months ago) Permalink

fred stop

alomar lines, Friday, 22 February 2019 05:01 (two months ago) Permalink

lol, Adam Johnson at truthdig. And even that bullshitter doesn't claim that the food will be rotting. Bravo.

Frederik B, Friday, 22 February 2019 08:13 (two months ago) Permalink

la cosa está que arde. Hoping tomorrow isn't too horrible

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 23 February 2019 06:36 (one month ago) Permalink

the same regime is in power. would be the equivalent of maduro stepping aside for someone else in the PSUV

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Which of course would not be enough for the US or whoever. Similarly Corbyn stepping aside wouldn't be enough unless that person was Chris Leslie.

whataboutery i am fond of because saying "columbia has poverty too" while you preside over a failing state isn't a fucking argument, all arguments in a similar vein carry no water at all, and they're a personal bugbear.

screaming "whataboutery" isn't enough either. Its not an argument so much as the lines of thinking and sheer hypocrisy of the West. The UK has murdered disabled and vulnerable benefit claimants - why shouldn't we be invaded? Why shouldn't there be people throwing food and money from boats? If it sounds ridiculous then that's what you are getting at the moment. Let your Danish internet film critic scream "bullshit" and don't join in - the only road from "whataboutery" is going "maybe the opposition isn't so bad they will throw crumbs at the poor Venezuelan blacks". We know a negotiated solution wouldn't satisfy white people who are thosands of miles away.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 February 2019 13:18 (one month ago) Permalink

lol:

The human rights crisis that has engulfed #Venezuela for the past few years has shattered the lives of millions of people. Here’s what you need to know. https://t.co/ea9klXpLX5

— Amnesty International (@amnesty) February 19, 2019

"10. Damaging US sanctions."

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 February 2019 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Is there an invasion yet? Don’t know why xyz talks about an invasion. In any case, the absolute failure for some people in this thread to see that this was never about sovereignity of plucky little Venezuela but two imperial dicks waving at each other on the corpse of hilariously stupid economic policies is staggering. Economic sanctions and Abrams are shit; so are the russian-armed military who has control of the economy (that’s not socialism imo).

Venezuelans won’t be allowed to sort it out because that is what dictators do not allow. The last elections were fraudulant, lots of people have a hard time finding food or medecine, the military and judiciary are in the President’s camp and Maduro seems very intent into not giving his position away. How can people make a choice in those conditions?

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 23 February 2019 14:14 (one month ago) Permalink

otm

a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 February 2019 14:24 (one month ago) Permalink

What is all this about "russian-armed military who has control of the economy" wtf. Fred give us a link!

Of course there has been no invasion, atm its parts ridiculous noise but there are sanctions and much pressure being put.

There is no good faith from the side of the opposition that I've seen at all. The path to talks, leading up to elections doesn't look good and there are perfetly fine reasons for that.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 February 2019 14:31 (one month ago) Permalink

VHS otm

pomenitul, Saturday, 23 February 2019 14:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Amuse yourselves with this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/feb/23/venezuela-brazil-border-aid-live-news-latest-updates

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 February 2019 15:42 (one month ago) Permalink

An invasion isn't exactly crazy talk. With Venezuela no longer controlling its border, Brazil taking control (by encroaching on Venezuelan territory) isn't unthinkable.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Sunday, 24 February 2019 00:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Man I have seen thinly veiled plans before but this veil is close to nonexistent https://t.co/soLTGGyxQA

— Vincent Bevins (@Vinncent) February 24, 2019

Bevins is quite good in general imo.

ShariVari, Sunday, 24 February 2019 14:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah there is no veil and I can not believe Maduro was dumb enough to fall for this.

Jokes, I totally did, Maduro is scum and Maduro is dumb. If he cared a slightest bit about the Venezuelan people he would start looking at ways to transition away, some non-imperalist countries gave him a chance and he kept his this dangerous position.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 24 February 2019 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink

wtf

pic.twitter.com/ZwxbWyV1HF

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) February 24, 2019

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Sunday, 24 February 2019 19:17 (one month ago) Permalink

The game all along. Libya has been turned into a slave market and its migrants have died tried to find a better life in Europe but never mind all that Maduro is dumb and has bought this all on himself "VHS otm".

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 February 2019 22:49 (one month ago) Permalink

I've seen that Rubio tweet about 20 times today and I'm not sure I can articulate how angry and sad it makes me

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 February 2019 23:09 (one month ago) Permalink

If you think that's wonderful, imagine living in a city with a huge concentration of well-intentioned Venezuelan exiles and their ill-intentioned Cuban supporters for whom that Rubio treat was *chef's kiss*

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 February 2019 23:24 (one month ago) Permalink

I was a little skeptical at first, but after listening to Marco Rubio I am more convinced than ever that we need to militarily intervene in Miami

— Mark (@haircut_hippie) February 24, 2019

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 February 2019 23:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I'd demand international arbitration, for example from Lakeland, Hialeah, Vero Beach, and Orlando.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 February 2019 23:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Maybe together we can find a solution <-- someone who has never been to Miami.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 February 2019 23:38 (one month ago) Permalink

🔥 30 years ago today in Venezuela: the mass rebellion against neoliberalism known as the Caracazo, which ended in the massacre of 300 to 3,000, most dumped in mass graves. Today, neoliberals claim the mantle of human rights as they try to do the same. Never forget! 🔥 pic.twitter.com/7szkyaGZv3

— George Ciccariello-Maher (@ciccmaher) February 27, 2019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 28 February 2019 09:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Unlike Rubio to get his facts wrong in tweets...

Lmao holy shit Marco Rubio is so dumb pic.twitter.com/HGR4TsM8GW

— liking online (@likingonline) March 10, 2019

There was a report in an Argentine newspaper a few days ago suggesting Pence had been assured by Guaido that half the army would switch sides as soon as the US recognised him as President and that Pence is now fuming that hasn’t happened, though I’m not sure how credible the source is.

ShariVari, Sunday, 10 March 2019 17:05 (one month ago) Permalink

Lol, I was just coming here to post that tweet.

Frederik B, Sunday, 10 March 2019 17:06 (one month ago) Permalink

Thought this revive would be for

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/10/world/americas/venezuela-aid-fire-video.html

Simon H., Sunday, 10 March 2019 22:18 (one month ago) Permalink

It was.

The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 March 2019 22:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Mobile ilx makes me even more of a dumbass than normal

Simon H., Sunday, 10 March 2019 22:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Thread title makes it sounds like it some sort of fun ironic game to place bets on a potential war/civil war and I think it sucks.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 March 2019 22:52 (one month ago) Permalink

i agree
none of this is funny nor is it idly amusing

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:51 (one month ago) Permalink

It sucks but many of you are basically backing a lot of pro-coup rhetoric. I wouldn't worry about a thread title that was written years before this year's events.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Wanting free and impartial elections in Venezuela is not exactly backing pro-coup rhetoric, nor is it pointing out that Maduro's regime constitutes a coup itself.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:16 (one month ago) Permalink

The United States doesn’t need to invade the country. It just needs to target the bank accounts, Miami properties, and kleptocratic networks exploited by these corrupt Venezuelan officials

https://thinkprogress.org/venezuelas-kleptocratic-partner-in-crime-america/

Frederik B, Thursday, 14 March 2019 12:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Currently: imperialist mouthpiece cosplaying as news station MSNBC has the wife of Venezuelan opposition leader Guaido labeled as "Venezuelan First Lady" - which is categorically, undeniably false - on live national TV. The actual Venezuelan First Lady is legendary Cilia Flores. pic.twitter.com/35DvPsUIxY

— basura (@HalfAtlanta) March 27, 2019

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 16:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

maduro is going to allow aid to enter

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/world/americas/red-cross-venezuela-aid.html

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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