The Colombia/Ecuador/Venezuela Mess or Let's Place Bets on How Long Before the U.S. Backs a Colombian War With Venezuela

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I smell a lot of bullshit:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_farc_laptop

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

uh, why is it so hard to believe chavez wd have close ties with the farc? he is a sleazebag of the first order, a provocateur, and has it out for u.s. foreign policy in south america (and rightfully by the way, things are a dirty fucking shame w/r/t the minimal aid we offer in exchange for a huge and heavy hand in the politics –- legitimately –– and an even larger CIA presence waging whatever kind of illicit war they have been supporting since the middle '60s?

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:00 (eleven years ago) link

close parenthetical

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:00 (eleven years ago) link

It's not impossible that he has ties, I just smell bullshit in this whole unfolding of events, especially since yesterday's story claimed FARC planned to make a dirty bomb.

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:02 (eleven years ago) link

Venezuela contends the texts are lies and fabrications.

If so, they are expertly done.

I love this. It reminds me of Strange Brew, where the bad guy is in court and he's like "I'd like to point out that these tapes have not been faked, or altered in any way. In fact they have time coding, which is very hard to fake."

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:07 (eleven years ago) link

they probably wouldn't bother, given the efficacy of their kidnapping as a guiding in national politics

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:08 (eleven years ago) link

What else would Venezuela say? "Oh, oops" ?

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:10 (eleven years ago) link

In a document dated Feb. 9, Marquez passes along Chavez's thanks for a $150,000 gift when he was imprisoned from 1992-94 for leading a failed coup — and indicates Chavez's desire to smear Uribe.

In it, Marquez says Venezuela wants documentation of damage by Colombia's military to "the civilian population, also images of bombardments in the jungle and its devastation — to use as a denunciation before the world."

"smear"

Hurting 2, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:16 (eleven years ago) link

ehh, i still have a lot of faith in uribe. not to suggest he is totally above-board, but at least during his first term he was relatively effective on the fundraising fronts, and talks with w/ AUC/FARC at least became (briefly) effective.

remy bean, Thursday, 6 March 2008 02:24 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/chavez-russian.html

lol

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:23 (eleven years ago) link

maybe this will make dumb americans notice the large clusterfucked continent to the immediate south

remy bean, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:29 (eleven years ago) link

if it hadn't been for carter signing into law the ban on assassinations for heads-of-state, i would have a perfect solution. 'cuz it's obvious uribe doesn't know how to handle his shit w/o CIA involvement in his sketchyass AUC politix

remy bean, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

If it's that new destroyer that can't defend against anything, then they might have a chance

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:09 (eleven years ago) link

Exocet missiles to thread. etc.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:10 (eleven years ago) link

Smuggling chicken parts???

Pylon Gnasher, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 09:18 (eleven years ago) link

four years pass...

Report: Launch of CIA ‘cocaine coup’ turned on Romney win

For more than a year the CIA has been trafficking 300 kilos of cocaine a month from Ecuador to Chile for export on to Europe, according to recent credible media reports from Santiago, the Chilean capital.

Proceeds from the 300 kilo-a-month business have been used to create a war-chest to finance a Cocaine Coup in Ecuador that was scheduled to be “green-lighted” after the expected win in the just-concluded U.S. Presidential election—expected, at least, by some Agency officials—of Mitt Romney.

It's a CIA “Ay, there’s the rub” moment.

He's a leftist. Isn't that enough?

The machinations were part of a plan to topple current Ecuador President Rafael Correa, who is unpopular in Washington.

An unexpected side effect of the revelation of the plan, which has received little publicity, has been to focus an observer's attention on what's going on in the drug trade in Ecuador lately. The country's history in the drug business, almost as rich as Switzerland's with banks, goes back a long way.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 25 November 2012 01:06 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/20/the-game-changed/

Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 20:33 (five years ago) link

I've got a former lover and a couple of frightened students trying to find a place with power. This is depressing:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/20/voices-latin-america/5644541/

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:34 (five years ago) link

Any reliable commentary on what's going on there? Because all I'm seeing in most places is competing ideologies. I know my history and I don't doubt that the US would like to see the govt go but the Counterpunch left's assumption that all the opposition are fascists and any journalist who criticises Maduro is a CIA shill is embarrassing.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:52 (five years ago) link

Ignacio Portes on Twitter is always very good but I'm having trouble finding longform pieces by him.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 19:25 (five years ago) link

This is the only unbiased piece I've found so far.

venezuelablog.tumblr.com/post/76591076425/who-was-responsible-for-yesterdays-violence-in

Portes seems reliable. Thanks ShariVari. I do think the left has a blind spot when it comes to acknowledging Chavez/Maduro's failings, as if to criticise the govt at all would be playing into the hands of conservatives who want a coup.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:28 (five years ago) link

Maduro's a thug

A specialist in foolery (Michael White), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:52 (five years ago) link

I can't look at this with anything other than sadness, the degeneration from leftist savior to aparatus of political oppression being so predictable

How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:55 (five years ago) link

A lot of friends on the left seem to think it will do the cause harm if they acknowledge the chavismos' crimes and fuck-ups. I think the risk lies in not doing so.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 10:02 (five years ago) link

Nuance is hard to come by in these situations. If most of the professional journalists writing about Venezuela, Ukraine or Syria only have a very superficial understanding of the situations there, it's unlikely many other people, unless they have been following them closely for a number of years, are going to have the kind of depth of insight that you need to take a balanced view. It's also a reflection of the move towards news outlets being competing echo chambers - readers can simply select news sources that agree with them. Even papers like The Guardian have blurred the lines between comment and reporting to such a degree that 'balance' seems to be sought through having five journalists take one highly ideological stance and one or two take the completely opposite one.

That said, i can sympathise with the desire to push back when the mainstream media is so overwhelmingly backing one narrow viewpoint. If you think that this is a right-wing coup against a democratically-elected leftist government, and most papers of note are telling you it's not - ignoring any facts that don't fit their narrative, the temptation to do more or less the same is always going to be there.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Thursday, 27 February 2014 11:46 (five years ago) link

OTM but it doesn't create a satisfying dialogue and it's depressing to see the left ignore, for example, Venezuela's massive rape problem. Even if unsavoury characters like Lopez are hijacking the student protests for their own ends, it doesn't mean that the students' objections, or those of other citizens, should be brushed aside. It feels like as long as the US and the shady Venezuelan right want Maduro out then the left can only mention the country's real problems in a handwaving "Of course… but…" way.

I need to read more about the likelihood of an actual coup because obvs there's a difference between protesters wanting a leader to step down and a full-scale Pinochet-style armed coup, eg in Ukraine there's either been a revolution or a coup depending on who you speak to.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 12:45 (five years ago) link

I've been trying to discuss this on Twitter and boy do people not give a shit, so thanks ILX

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 27 February 2014 13:00 (five years ago) link

I can't listen to it at work but there's an interview / podcast with Ignacio Portes here:

http://www.r1.co.nz/podcasts/Olivier%20-%20Ignacio%20Portes.mp3

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Friday, 28 February 2014 12:00 (five years ago) link

I'm not sure Chavez or Maduro were ever saviors

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 February 2014 12:07 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

I don't know much about this, but after catching a couple of news reports full of rich kids with nice clothes, fancy tents, and smart phones trying their best to look put-upon and oppressed, the protests looked awfully stage directed to me, and the hijacking of the vocabulary of revolution was pretty infuriating. Kind of hard to muster sympathy for the "poor little rich boy"

Dan I., Friday, 27 June 2014 17:02 (five years ago) link

and yeah, the whole scene screamed "CIA"

Dan I., Friday, 27 June 2014 17:03 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Probably deserves a new thread, but Venezuela is looking really bad right now.

Looting On the Rise As Venezuela Runs Out of Food, Electricity

On Wednesday, the Venezuelan Chamber of Food (Cavidea) said in a statement that most companies only have 15 days worth of stocked food.

According to the union, the production of food will continue to dwindle because raw materials as well as local and foreign inputs are depleted.

In the statement, Cavidea reported that they are 300 days overdue on payments to suppliers and it’s been 200 days since the national government last authorized the purchase of dollars under the foreign currency control system.

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Sunday, 1 May 2016 23:13 (three years ago) link

Not headline worthy yet, I guess:

Hungry Venezuelans Hunt Dogs, Cats, Pigeons as Food Runs Out

The population’s desperation has begun to show, with looting and robberies for food increasing all the time. This Sunday, May 1, six Venezuelan military officials were arrested for stealing goats to ease their hunger, as there was no food at the Fort Manaure military base. The week before, various regions of the country saw widespread looting of shopping malls, pharmacies, supermarkets and food trucks, all while people chanted “we are hungry.”

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:22 (three years ago) link

In addition to dogs and cats, people are also killing pigeons to stave off hunger (El Nacional)

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:39 (three years ago) link

they should probably the kill the pigeons first and eat the cats and dogs afterwards if necessary

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:41 (three years ago) link

bread + circuses work but the bread part is non-negotiable

Mordy, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:42 (three years ago) link

pigeons are better than bread

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:42 (three years ago) link

http://az723720.vo.msecnd.net/media/img27928.475x317.jpg

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 May 2016 01:43 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

bread + circuses work but the bread part is non-negotiable

'We want food!', Venezuelans cry at protest near presidency

we're kinda studiously ignoring this bc politically inconvenient yes?

Mordy, Friday, 3 June 2016 05:00 (three years ago) link

I don't know, there hasn't been that much talk of the right-wing coup in Brazil either? I guess because it's really hard to pin on Hillary...

But, really, the left's love of Venezuela was always going to backfire. Oil cronyism is bad whether the leaders are right or left-wing.

Frederik B, Friday, 3 June 2016 10:08 (three years ago) link

when your economy is based on oil, it suffers when oil prices collapse.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 3 June 2016 19:18 (three years ago) link

that def a big piece of it but the currency + price controls don't work so well either. the oil collapse sparked the crisis but the economic system exacerbated it.

Mordy, Friday, 3 June 2016 19:23 (three years ago) link

The Chavez years had an economic stability that hadn't been seen since the 70s iirc, largely by virtue of high oil prices. The social and development programmes he implemented came at a price that wasn't sustainable in a crash and, having come in on the back of twenty years of disaster, there wasn't much chance to build up reserves that would allow them to ride it out.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 3 June 2016 19:40 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/08/481225008/bust-times-in-oil-rich-venezuela-the-banks-dont-have-money-to-give-out

Terry Gross interviews NYT reporter Nicholas Casey about Venezuela

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 02:12 (three years ago) link

CASEY: Well, yeah. A lot of people are looking at who or what is to blame. There's a lot of things going on right now. One of them is the legacy in the years and aftermath after Hugo Chavez. There was a huge amount of hope throughout the left in Latin America when Chavez came to power.

He was saying many things that no one else was saying and talking about inequality in terms that hadn't been heard in Latin America for years. Unfortunately, what followed was years of mismanagement on every level - a lot of corruption, misunderstandings of how the economy worked or how to fix it.

You know, I'll give you one example that you see a lot. It is causing a lot of the problems in Venezuela - is price controls. During those years, they brought the price of selling something lower than what it cost to make it. So if you wanted to get milk, it was at a very inexpensive price, which was great if you were poor.

The problem was if you were a farmer or, you know, owned an operation that was producing milk. And you couldn't produce it for the price that it was going to be sold for. So what happened next? Well, you just didn't produce it anymore.

So you started to see this huge collapse of production throughout the country. People stopped making beans. People stopped making rice. Venezuela went from being an exporter of meat to importing it. And one by one, all of these things stopped being made in the country.

Well, it wasn't the end of the world then, because there was so much money from the oil that you could just buy it. You could buy it for dollars. And the response was - well, we'll just import it. We can bring all these things in. It's a rich country. Well, this continued for years.

But the problem next came when the price of oil collapsed. And there wasn't any money to buy the imports. And there was no way to make them. So just what happened was - everything started to disappear. So that's part of the reason why Venezuela is where it is. That said, called the proximate cause - is years of mismanagement from these policies, dating back to Hugo Chavez.

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 02:19 (three years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/world/americas/venezuelans-ransack-stores-as-hunger-stalks-crumbling-nation.html

A staggering 87 percent of Venezuelans say they do not have money to buy enough food, the most recent assessment of living standards by Simón Bolívar University found.

About 72 percent of monthly wages are being spent just to buy food, according to the Center for Documentation and Social Analysis, a research group associated with the Venezuelan Teachers Federation.

In April, it found that a family would need the equivalent of 16 minimum-wage salaries to properly feed itself.

Ask people in this city when they last ate a meal, and many will respond that it was not today.

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2016 03:11 (three years ago) link

fuk

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 20 June 2016 03:17 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

Not binding and is unlikely to derail the whole process but...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/02/colombia-referendum-rejects-peace-deal-with-farc

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 3 October 2016 08:03 (three years ago) link

"No one is so foolish as to prefer war to peace". In your face, Herodotus! The modern era has sure proved that wrong.

two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Monday, 3 October 2016 11:35 (three years ago) link

Yes there have been (like in Venezuela) criticisms from the left..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 November 2019 11:45 (one month ago) link

My father was born and raised in La Paz, and I still have family there---many of whom have moved to Santa Cruz, so you can understand what their perspective on this would be. But the religious aspect of Luis Fernando Camacho's rise is a new aspect of Bolivian politics.

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 11 November 2019 11:59 (one month ago) link

And just on that

Fascists burning the wiphala and declaring that "Bolivia belongs to Christ" is meant as a threat of violence to Natives across South America.

Yes, it hits especially hard for Aymaras and Quechuas.

Yes, I'm feeling pretty angry and f**ked up.

Yes, we will survive this too. ✊🏾🌈

— Daniel Delgado (@DDelgadoVive) November 11, 2019

xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 November 2019 12:58 (one month ago) link

Bolivia's politics have been built on racism since the colonial era (despite many of us being mestizo). It has shaped my life and the life of every Boliviano I've known. The sexism and homophobia now being highlighted by "El Macho" is newly explicit, though obviously it has been present since forever like everywhere else. Women have long been active participants in Evo's MAS movement, so the new amplification of racism and sexism is not unexpected.

Neither are Camacho's links to the gas industry. Bolivia under Evo was a narcostate (and the good and bad of that can be talked about, I say that merely as description, not judgment), but under the right it will be a gas state. For the Spanish it was a silver state. For the Chinese or the Germans it would be a lithium state. At least the coca industry is indigenous. Otherwise Bolivia is just another place for the capitalists to loot, as it's been since my ancestors went there to do just that.

https://www.nodal.am/2019/11/quien-es-luis-fernando-camacho-el-hombre-que-intenta-desestabilizar-bolivia/

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 11 November 2019 13:14 (one month ago) link

I don't know, term limits are super important.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 05:24 (four weeks ago) link

Good/interesting thread on some of the complexities at work (and the difficulty of sorting social media takes)

People need to trouble their liberal (mis)understanding and (mis)use of identity. Here's an example:

Tomasa Yarhui is an indigenous Quechua political "voice" from Bolivia. She's also a center-right Christian Democrat, here mourning the death of a violent coup-supporting cop. https://t.co/har2g9pVOk

— #HandsOffBolivia (@OLAASM) November 12, 2019

Simon H., Wednesday, 13 November 2019 05:39 (four weeks ago) link

I’m mostly sympathetic to Morales, I hope his party can thrive, but really I don’t think anyone should be the head of government for more than 14 years

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 05:43 (four weeks ago) link

What was the response of pro-Morales voices re: him ignoring the results of the 2016 referendum?

groovemaaan, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 06:04 (four weeks ago) link

Maduro retweets post mocking the crudeness of Bolivian interim president-designate Áñez's new video calling for the Bolivian army to intervene, with the tweet remarking they never would think they would ever see a "more improvised and crap production than those of Juan Guaidó". pic.twitter.com/5QKUQvt3zX

— Séamus Malekafzali (@Seamus_Malek) November 12, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 06:58 (four weeks ago) link

Does anyone know what was wrong with Alvaro Garcia Linera since he never got to run?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 09:12 (four weeks ago) link

I generally trust the OAS but reports that the head of electoral commission turned herself to the police to report irregularities is much more damning.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 18:24 (four weeks ago) link

A far-right supporter of failed Venezuelan coup leader Juan Guaido got punched in the face by an Afro-Brazilian today when he tried to invade and occupy the Venezuelan embassy in Brazil with other Guaido supporters. pic.twitter.com/rMzOkswJyb

— redfish (@redfishstream) November 13, 2019

I love this pic

calzino, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 22:40 (four weeks ago) link

One thing I notice over and over again is how "anti-government protestors" in e.g. Bolivia and Venezuela read as "normal folks" to American eyes, when in reality their North Face and Nike reflects extraordinary local wealth.

anti-Morales protestors:
https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/0ea3e96ac5754cbfab60d95f8c46e359/1000.jpeg

pro-morales protestor:
https://i.cbc.ca/1.5358740.1573687837!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_780/bolivia-protests.jpg

I remember Venezuelan protests a few years back where every protestor looked like they had just dropped a thousand bucks on camping gear at L.L. Bean.

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:31 (four weeks ago) link

https://systemicalternatives.org/2019/11/11/what-happened-in-bolivia-was-there-a-coup/"> https://systemicalternatives.org/2019/11/11/what-happened-in-bolivia-was-there-a-coup/

Good article

It is by a source you can trust, and he dispels both typical left/right narratives by eager western commentators but still details how this is a horror show. Available in sopanish and french too.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:37 (four weeks ago) link

I wouldn’t take a few carefully selected photos as a source for anything.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:38 (four weeks ago) link

I love this pic

idk the MLK t-shirt makes it a little incongruous

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:40 (four weeks ago) link

Sorry writing from phone on a bus.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:40 (four weeks ago) link

I mean, no doubt, but it's pretty consistent. What's remarkable to me is not so much the difference between the two groups as how the American eye (mine, at least) tends to just slide right over the expensively-clothed right-wingers in photos and scan them as "normal", when they're really not

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:43 (four weeks ago) link

That article seemed pretty one-sided to me, and the site in general kinda seems like a Catholic-backed propaganda outlet

How could Áñez become acting president without a parliamentary quorum?

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:49 (four weeks ago) link

4. The government has treated the mobilisation as a fascist and racist coup. It is true that the sectors of the reactionary right have celebrated the protests. In Santa Cruz, the main leader of the Civic Committee, Luis Fernando Camacho, comes from an ultra-right organisation called the Union of Cruceño Youth. However, in other cities, there have been quite different articulations by independent groups with politicians from right and left leading the protests. In Potosí, the opposition to the government radicalised before the elections due to the signing of a 70 year contract without payment of royalties for the production of lithium hydroxide in the salt flats of Uyuni. In the case of La Paz, the National Committee for the Defense of Democracy counts among its main leaders two Ombudsman who served under the Evo Morales government and had denounced human rights violations such as the repression of the indigenous march of TIPNIS in 2011. For his part, Carlos Mesa, who was vice president during the neoliberal government of Sanchez de Lozada, and became the main electoral opponent of Evo Morales does not have a structured party base and was more a vehicle for opposition at the ballot box then a key organizer of the protests. The rebellion which Bolivia is experiencing is largely a spontaneous act led particularly by young people against the abuse of power.

It is important to be clear that there are indigenous peoples and workers on both the government and opposition side. The government clearly has more support in rural areas, but the opposition also includes coca producers from the Yungas, peasant leaders, mining workers, health and education workers, and above all young students, both middle and working class. Contrary to what happened in previous conflicts, it was the government that exacerbated the racism, saying that the protests were trying to take away the rural indigenous vote made in support of the government. During the conflict, there have been racist attacks from both sides. The burning of the wiphala, the flag of the Aymaran and Quechuan peoples, is absolutely deplorable. However, it is also notable that on social media, there are many groups who are part of the protests who challenge these attacks and defend the wiphala.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:50 (four weeks ago) link

both sides

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:52 (four weeks ago) link

The supreme court equivalent accepted that she was next in line and only gave her an interim mandate. The same dumb supreme court who judged term limits were a human rights abuse, if I understand correctly. It seems new elections will be happen in late January. This is MAS’ moment to shine and prove they are stronger than just one dude, I don’t think boycotting will resolve anything.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 18:59 (four weeks ago) link

Genuinely hope they hold elections and that they're fair! Have right-wingers in power ever held free and fair elections after toppling a left-wing government before? (honest question, maybe they have)

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:07 (four weeks ago) link

Sometimes it is both sides. Don’t know how else to say it. From what I understand large swaths of indigenous people have good reasons to be pissed off at Morales but also fear Camacho/Anez/Mesa with obvious good reasons. This is how some civil wars start, with both sides making unreasonable demands

Also the whole ‘both sides’ narrative is just what is is, a narrative, and I find narratives to be unhelpful. On top of it, ‘both sides’ is lifted from a specific critic of US media in a specific political moment and I really wonder how useful it is to force it unto the present Bolivian reality.

I am going to trust Pablo Solon over many american commentators on this issue.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:07 (four weeks ago) link

I guess Brazil might have elected Bolsonaro fairly, for all I know, although he benefited from massive propaganda and an arguably railroaded opposition.

Dan I., Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:09 (four weeks ago) link

I genuinely doubt the next elections will be fair and free, but I sure hope so. And I am worried neither side is going to recognize the results now that all of that happened. I do take solace in that MAS has been able to build a strong coalition in the past and people seem to genuinely love Salvatierra.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:11 (four weeks ago) link

Also Canada has not recognized Añez. I think this what europeans countries should do too. Put pressure on the notion that is really just an interim moment.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:14 (four weeks ago) link

This business about how Morales is the true racist for saying that the opposition is anti-indigenous rings a little false when the current president is on record as saying that the indigenous population are satanists who should leave the cities and go back into the mountains.

JoeStork, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:21 (four weeks ago) link

He doesn’t say that, and even if he did I don’t see how two instances of race fear mongering can be mutually exclusive, even when one is much more intense than the other.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:31 (four weeks ago) link

when the current president is on record as saying that the indigenous population are satanists who should leave the cities and go back into the mountains.

this was from a fake tweet I believe

Simon H., Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:32 (four weeks ago) link

Bolsanaro was absolutely fairly elected. Or, that is, the whole thing was a sham meant to benefit the conservative right, but it seems to have disgusted the populace enough to go with a third choice, the fascist. So those he kinda beat fair and square. Lula, not so much.

Frederik B, Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:35 (four weeks ago) link

xp oh really? Thanks for the update, sorry to spread bullshit.

JoeStork, Thursday, 14 November 2019 20:55 (four weeks ago) link

Regardless of the veracity of the tweet, we can all agree that she is a racist shit head.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 22:29 (four weeks ago) link

"Bolsanaro was fairly elected" except the candidate who could've beaten him was jailed 🙄

xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 November 2019 09:24 (three weeks ago) link

Not even Boris has come up with that ploy yet.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Friday, 15 November 2019 09:30 (three weeks ago) link

Thanks xyz, that's an accurate condensation of my post. Now go fuck yourself.

Frederik B, Friday, 15 November 2019 09:35 (three weeks ago) link

I heard there is a new Star Wars film at Xmas. Maybe that's more your level.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 November 2019 10:17 (three weeks ago) link

wait........what

I bring this up because Bolivian coup agent Daza is a member of Leto's spooky cult Echelon, and from the looks of it appears to have been (be?) a leader of the Echelon cult in Bolivia. (There's a LOT more if you search Echelon, but here's just a few screens for example) pic.twitter.com/YmTY34CWyI

— bak (@measure7x) November 14, 2019

Simon H., Friday, 15 November 2019 11:01 (three weeks ago) link

Immanentizing the Bolivian echelon

Mordy, Friday, 15 November 2019 13:55 (three weeks ago) link

Chilean singer Mon Laferte staged a protest at last night's Latin Grammys. Photo is NSFW, so search it up for yourself, but she wrote the words "En Chile Torturan Violan Y Matan" on her chest and dropped her top on the red carpet. (She later won Best Alternative Album.)

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 15 November 2019 14:15 (three weeks ago) link

wait........what

I bring this up because Bolivian coup agent Daza is a member of Leto's spooky cult Echelon, and from the looks of it appears to have been (be?) a leader of the Echelon cult in Bolivia. (There's a LOT more if you search Echelon, but here's just a few screens for example) pic.twitter.com/YmTY34CWyI
— bak (@measure7x) November 14, 2019
― Simon H., Friday, November 15, 2019 6:01 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

30 seconds to MAS

Van Horn Street, Friday, 15 November 2019 18:15 (three weeks ago) link

An interesting Twitter thread dismantling a popular conspiracy theory about the Bolivian coup.

Been so busy with work I missed this whole theory that the Bolivian coup was over lithium. Let's walk through it. pic.twitter.com/hqWS1uT6j6

— Mike Caulfield (@holden) November 17, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:38 (three weeks ago) link

*Intellectuals at ilxor dot com screaming A FOURTH TERM?!*

The reality:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/26/bolivia-rightwing-military-dictatorship?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:29 (two weeks ago) link

Also Canada has not recognized Añez. I think this what europeans countries should do too. Put pressure on the notion that is really just an interim moment.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lol

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:29 (two weeks ago) link

This is entirely predictable but still sickening. https://t.co/1lMUGYsuzM

— Louis Allday (@Louis_Allday) November 29, 2019

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 November 2019 11:51 (one week ago) link

i bet bolivians have more on their mind than the status of their symbolic relationship with a country in the middle east

Mordy, Friday, 29 November 2019 15:27 (one week ago) link

*Intellectuals at ilxor dot com screaming A FOURTH TERM?!*

this seems like an awfully roundabout way of asserting that ilxor dot com has no intellectuals

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 29 November 2019 18:28 (one week ago) link


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