2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Johnny, links?

Re. McCain I'm just talking about people my mom knows who were either a) in Vietnam b) Reagan Democrats who got stuck c) racist or d) aren't as bothered about sellout issues as you are.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-grandmother-typic_b_92601.html

Now they've just spent almost an hour talking about it on MSNBC, and probably FOX and CNN too (but I haven't been watching those).

grrrrrrrrrrrrreat!

i quit america.

I never read the Huffington Post. Does it seriously allow imbeciles to post shit like that?

The truth is that racism works both ways and some of us blue collar folks

eat a dick

'some of us blue collar folks'

Ferraro Fires Back
Offended by comparison to fiery pastor

Geraldine Ferraro complains about Obama lumping her in with his controversial pastor, whom she calls a 'racist bigot'

What else are they going to talk about on tv? The war? Depressing. The economy? Depressing, and hard to understand. Race? Titillating! And talking about Obama, I'm sure, gets the ratings up. So this is just win-win for them, even if lose-lose for America.

The Clintons helped make this media culture so profitable (blue dresses, etc.) and they're using it now to their advantage.

(apologizes for sounding so sanctimonious)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,339949,00.html

^^^^^^actually ... not bad??

Fifty-seven percent of Americans do not believe Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama shares the controversial views of his former spiritual mentor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright,

Most Americans — 72 percent — are familiar with the comments made by Obama’s former pastor.

this means the story has kind of hit its threshold to some degree, right?

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hi i'm typical blue collar person taylor marsh

nowhere to go but up ... unless more bad shit happens

What he described abt gran on radio is also in that first book, basically she gets hassled at the bus stop by an aggressive black guy; it's the first time she has felt threatened by someone from another race. She tries to get her husband to drive her the work to next day and to avoid the issue, but Obama finds out after he sees they're upset about something and they're reluctant to share it. She's ashamed to her core to have to admit that she's scared of a random black guy first to her husband and then, more upsettingly, to her grandson.

We have all been in situations where someone who is different to us in belief or skin colour or strength has made us feel stranger danger. In some cases there are reasons to feel shame for that, and some not.

is this "typical white person" line seriously getting traction? it doesn't seem to noted on any of the networks' webpages. what are they saying on the tele?

if hillary called her BLACK GRANDMOTHER a 'typical black person' im pretty sure people would be forgiving.

but that would be because she was black

lol racial double standard

comments on huffington blog are mostly encouraging, though.

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barack should just be using that onion article as his response to this. "did you chuckle at this? then what's the problem with what I said?"

onion article was completely hilarious to me btw

speaking as a black man

lol, yeah one of the more common reax to the obama speech i've seen is OUTRAGE that anyone could think white racism is as bad, destructive, hateful, powerful as black racism. in a weird way the timing of this thing couldn't be better - obama still basically has the nod (though when he gets whupped in pennsylvania i'm ready to hear the 'obama: fatally crippled?' spin), and it's a long long way to the election. some worry that this is branding him and huge mccain bounce in poll numbers is a little worrying right now. still it's MARCH, so this could be very old news by the convention even and what ends up coming out of this could be 'well, he really isn't a muslim apparently'. tombot otm in a mccain loss not being so bad for the gop (this is the coulter line of thought roughly right? ie. 'same policies' w/ hillary and let the dems bear the blame). mccain got lucky thru circumstance - huckabee scared the gop base (- fundies) alot more and struck them as 'our dean' which of course meant the ball bounced to their kerry. romney wins iowa instead of huck (or let's be honest - romney's a methodist instead of a morman) and that race is very very different.

I think it's part of why Clinton won MA.

I think MA is more industrial compared to the other NE states, and its urban residents more balkanized.

boston's very segregated y'say?

comments on huffington blog are mostly encouraging, though.

-- stevie, Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:13 PM

but yeah fwiw it's incredible (and maybe a measure of the success of the penn speech) to see liberals talking about race and admitting long-hushed maybe barely-conscious discomfort & fear

http://i27.tinypic.com/16m4ac.jpg

Drudge are also flagging up a story about Bill Clinton and his good pal Rev. Wright!

Has someone called the karma police on behalf of Obama?

WaPo has the passport story ... it was supposed to break tomorrow morning, but I guess we'll see it soon.

Or, maybe not, from Drudge:

MORE... WASHINGTON TIMES SET TO SPLASH THE DEVELOPMENT, NEWSROOM SOURCES TELL DRUDGE REPORT... MORE..

i just turned on Larry King and Obama is on via satellite but i think theyve already moved on to other topics

[Ohio:] For Obama, it’s a 17-point swing against him since the last SurveyUSA poll taken just three weeks ago, going up from up ten on McCain to down seven. Clinton has slipped four points over the same period but still leads McCain by six.

If the polling continues to slide for Obama in Ohio and Missouri, and if McCain continues to do well in Michigan and Pennsylvania, the Democrats simply cannot afford to nominate Obama. That, in fact, is the express mission of the superdelegates — to avoid a general-election disaster like George McGovern, and not to simply rubber-stamp the popular vote or the pledged-delegate leader.

^^^ hotair.com

http://images.politico.com/global/clintonwright2.jpg

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Jeremiah_Wright_was_White_House_guest.html

I am an Obama supporter, but am now taking another look at Hillary Clinton. I am turned off by the way Obama has handled the Wright situation so far. I felt offended by the way he seemed to stereotype whites as racist in his comment about how his grandmother is a "typical white". I felt inspired by his words and campaign of hope, but his essential acceptance of Wrights words in church casts doubt onto his judgment. I am now concerned if my judgment that Obama was the stronger candidate against McCain was correct. I hope the media continues to pursue this story, because I for one still have concerns about the inconsistencies in Obama's story and the impact of this controversy on his electability in the general election.

Posted By: thornton | March 20, 2008 at 07:47 PM

the next set of polls will be more favorable to Obama. getting 2M people to watch a 40 minute vid on youtube is a good start. of course a better way to convince whitey he's not the devil is to keep calling talk radio stations and discussing how his brackets are going.

discussing

All of those polls are meaningless. I said so when Senator Clinton was up, I said so when Senator Obama was up and now I’m saying it now that Senator McCain is up. Direction surveys do not begin to harden till mid-August at the earliest.

actually theyre only meaningful when obama is up

dumb question, but what sorts of things did wright say that were so amazingly offensive? the stuff i heard on the radio was, frankly, a bit paranoid around the edges (the feds selling crack to the inner city, etc.) but not particular offensive.

particularLY

"god damn america"

so were people actually OFFENDED at that or just "offended"?

eh who knows?

I think typical white people enjoy being offended about things.

is it just me or is the clinton campaign's behavior in this campaign growing more disingenuous, dishonest, and craven by the day? and it seems to be working. i'm really depressed.

(sorry for not being too sophisticated about this, but i'm so busy with work that i can only stick me head out and read a bit of news on occasion.)

i say this as someone who was by no means a clinton-hater in the past.

thats pretty much the consensus of this thread

I think for every person genuinely offended by "God Damn America" there are five more people who are just sort of startled by it and not really offended but are worried that if they don't act offended their co-workers will think they're not patriotic enough.