love watching english people who love football convince themselves they don't care about england or hate england, when i have the sinking suspicion their eyes would well with big, st george cross shaped tears if arry won the world cup.
― mizzell, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
They are one of the most boring teams, football wise, in world football
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
ah yeah
i mean, i sometimes read the real-time updates from the thread during the germany game in the WC
suuuure you guys don't care
suuuuure
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Hardly ever play any football worth watching. They're like a good version of Norway.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
love watching english people who love football convince themselves they don't care about england or hate england
if you say so
but seriously, i love football more than is healthy and my relationship with the england team is only ever gonna be as complicated as my relationship to the english nation. well, maybe fractionally less complicated.
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
the english football team changes personnel every 4-7 years tbf
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
i mean clearly i spend time thinking about "the england football team" but i'm pretty fucking certain i'm not just hanging on for an excuse to paint a red cross on my face and punch the nearest german
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
and, once again, i love my club...the national team is this weird tragi-comic distraction mainly worshiped by southerners afaict
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
lol at NV in role of prime apologist
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah but they don't change much
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
when, if ever, did you stop caring about the English football team?
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
I've never stopped caring, I love watching them lose tbh
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
:D
i think about this shit quite a lot when tournaments roll round - in some sense, from childhood, england is "my" team, but def not my team in the way Wolves is. and the social history and politics of England is fascinating i think. but i am certain there isn't some diehard nationalist lurking away in the middle of me underneath onion-skins of liberal guilt or whatever
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
England are fun, apart from to watch obv, and I almost always enjoy their exit from a tournament. Although against that I loved loved loved the last Euros and coincidentally England weren't even there. The only enjoyable aspect of England one day winning the World Cup would purely to be to see what the country would be like the next day after everyone (well the 35% of people who vaguely give a shit about football) loses their collective minds.
― pandemic, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
Bit like me and the Scotland rugby team, fuck 'em for the most part (unless they're playing England) (xp)
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
can't wait til Ireland meet England in the Euros. Then we'll see the true face of ILF
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
posts, flags
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
France 2-1 England, June 13, 2004
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
harsh, england were p good that match
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i was feeling the fear that day
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
England - Ireland is always a footballing treat tbf
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
why can't i find a pic of that little fecker crying at the Landsdowne game?
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
They spent a good deal of that game defending their lead, unsuccessfully as it turned out. I watched it w/an Irish friend (who was a good deal more pro-England than I was, oddly) and I told him I didn't mind who won, but by the end I was laughing at Englandd and happy for France.
Take no offence Angliski, I laughed at France when Senegal beat them in 2002.
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Who the fuck is richard williams and why is his puke festering on the pages of my national newspaper― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:57 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:57 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
glad someone else noticed. i did read it right didn't i?
'if foreign manager had learned more of our language and customs this wouldn't have happened (and england would be a better football team)'
― For bodies we are ready to build pyramids (whatever), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
it was a disgusting and stupid piece, as concentrated in its idiocy as anything i've seen/read outside of fry and warnock on SSN
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHt1-GKwxYY
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
Even by the bonkers standards of NMA TV that was quite something.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
Terry Venables for England!! Come on give El Tel th job!
― jel --, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Or maybe Waddle and Hoddle.
― jel --, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
The NMA John Terry is perfect:
http://i.imgur.com/WqoVY.png
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Chuffing marvellous
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
john terry visits the US Marineshttp://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58417000/jpg/_58417129_58417007.jpg
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
Because, apparently, the English are incapable of being smart enough to understand tactics and need to play under Hal V, w/his leadership skills. Apparently you are now a colony of the kind of Disney ethos that America adores, only at least, we do it way better than you.
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Fabio Capello should have been removed as England manager following the 2010 World Cup, according to Football Association councillor Peter Coates.Capello, whose side were defeated in the second round in South Africa, resigned on Wednesday.Coates told BBC Sport: "We had a terrible World Cup, he was responsible for that and he should have gone then."The Stoke City chairman also criticised Capello for "never having bothered" to fully learn English.Use accessible player and disable flyout menusFormer Real Madrid and AC Milan manager Capello took charge of England in 2008, but after a successful World Cup qualifying campaign, his side were beaten 4-1 by Germany in the last 16 of the tournament.The Italian also led England to qualification for the European Championship in Poland and Ukraine before resigning, but Coates feels that Capello's tenure was a failure."I don't see what we've gained under his term as manager," said Coates, who also sits on the FA's international committee."When they talk about qualifying for these competitions, I just can't go along with that. If we can't qualify for major tournaments, we are failing abysmally because we're seeded to get through. It should be a matter of course."I wouldn't give any manager great praise for achieving something that should be routine."You have to get into the last four [of major tournaments], if you've done that, you've done a good job."Capello's resignation followed the FA's decision to strip John Terry of the England captaincy after he was charged with racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, claims the Chelsea defender denies. Coates agreed with the FA's actions and feels Capello could have used the situation to engineer his exit."It was very difficult decision for the FA, and I think they got it right," he said."They should have had Capello as part of the discussion, that's what would normally happen at a football club."But the cynic in me says he might have manipulated this. He might have decided that was his opportunity to get out and he's taken it."England Under-21s manager Stuart Pearce will take charge of the senior side for the friendly against the Netherlands, with the FA now beginning the search for Capello's permanent successor.Coates says the FA needs to have learnt from Capello's reign, and joins the list of those calling for Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp to be appointed England manager."I hope lessons have been learnt because I would never have a manager who couldn't speak English. Capello never bothered to get himself proficient in the language, even though he said he would."I would never have a manager who had not had exposure to the English game. It has been proved that it doesn't work."I think the stand-out candidate is Harry Redknapp, every man and his dog knows that. He would be a good choice in my view and if a deal can be done I'm sure he'll get the job."Obviously it's complicated because he's got a big job at Spurs, but I'm sure he'd want the England job and it would be perfect for him."They sometimes ask you what you [the international commitee] think, but they know my views. It's their decision, and I hope they get it right."
Capello, whose side were defeated in the second round in South Africa, resigned on Wednesday.
Coates told BBC Sport: "We had a terrible World Cup, he was responsible for that and he should have gone then."
The Stoke City chairman also criticised Capello for "never having bothered" to fully learn English.Use accessible player and disable flyout menus
Former Real Madrid and AC Milan manager Capello took charge of England in 2008, but after a successful World Cup qualifying campaign, his side were beaten 4-1 by Germany in the last 16 of the tournament.
The Italian also led England to qualification for the European Championship in Poland and Ukraine before resigning, but Coates feels that Capello's tenure was a failure.
"I don't see what we've gained under his term as manager," said Coates, who also sits on the FA's international committee.
"When they talk about qualifying for these competitions, I just can't go along with that. If we can't qualify for major tournaments, we are failing abysmally because we're seeded to get through. It should be a matter of course.
"I wouldn't give any manager great praise for achieving something that should be routine.
"You have to get into the last four [of major tournaments], if you've done that, you've done a good job."
Capello's resignation followed the FA's decision to strip John Terry of the England captaincy after he was charged with racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, claims the Chelsea defender denies.
Coates agreed with the FA's actions and feels Capello could have used the situation to engineer his exit.
"It was very difficult decision for the FA, and I think they got it right," he said.
"They should have had Capello as part of the discussion, that's what would normally happen at a football club.
"But the cynic in me says he might have manipulated this. He might have decided that was his opportunity to get out and he's taken it."
England Under-21s manager Stuart Pearce will take charge of the senior side for the friendly against the Netherlands, with the FA now beginning the search for Capello's permanent successor.
Coates says the FA needs to have learnt from Capello's reign, and joins the list of those calling for Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp to be appointed England manager.
"I hope lessons have been learnt because I would never have a manager who couldn't speak English. Capello never bothered to get himself proficient in the language, even though he said he would.
"I would never have a manager who had not had exposure to the English game. It has been proved that it doesn't work.
"I think the stand-out candidate is Harry Redknapp, every man and his dog knows that. He would be a good choice in my view and if a deal can be done I'm sure he'll get the job.
"Obviously it's complicated because he's got a big job at Spurs, but I'm sure he'd want the England job and it would be perfect for him.
"They sometimes ask you what you [the international commitee] think, but they know my views. It's their decision, and I hope they get it right."
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
Harry Redknapp, every man and his dog
― once a weak eye sample (onimo), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
his incredibly rich dog
― pandemic, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
why doesn't it surprise me that someone from Stoke would say "I hope lessons have been learnt because I would never have a manager who couldn't speak English. Capello never bothered to get himself proficient in the language, even though he said he would.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
I kind of agree that a manager should be able to communication with his players.
― once a weak eye sample (onimo), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
Although "I will kill you Theo" seems fairly fluent to me.
to string these 3 thoughts together diplays an idiocy that far outshines not being able to spell
― mizzell, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
the fa got it rightactually they messed it upi still think that foreign chap is sneaky and unworthy
― mizzell, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think those sentences contradict each other.1 = I think they made the right decision2 = but they way they went about making the decision wasn't ideal and offended the manager3 = but then he might just have been looking for the chance to take offence so he could get out
― Monkee Trial (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
uh ohhttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/10/article-0-11ABCA8D000005DC-707_468x365.jpg
― mizzell, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
wut
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
This threw me for a second
― Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
same as
if capello's english was as poor as is being suggested, then that's a valid criticism imo.
i just doubt it
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
btwhttp://www.whoateallthepies.tv/chelsea/109807/former-chelsea-youth-players-candid-account-reveals-another-less-gimpish-side-to-john-terry.html
― Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
btw
With reference to this mornings mails from Martin's email this morning about John Terry actually being a nice guy, I would like to draw everybodys attention to a incident that occured when I was 13 or 14. I played to a relatively decent standard back then and played for my district side against teams all over the South-East. One of our biggest rivals was Barking & Dagenham who sported among others, Bobby Zamora, Paul Konchesky and the mighty JT (in a CM role) back then. One of my teammates was good mates with Terry and they played for the same sunday league side as well
I remember one summers day my mate bringing JT up to the local tennis club where I was also a member. Bear in mind that at this stage he was a nobody.I think he was on the books of Chelsea but then so were a number of other guys I knew
So there we are, all having a few sets of tennis when JT decides to take his t-shirt off. Being a private members tennis club, some of the old boys watching went mad and proceeded to ask / tell him that we didn't do that here, and that there were standards that had to be adhered to
JT, being such a nice guy even then, turned round, looked the guys up and down and told them "to F**k off and die". He then picked up the nearest tennis ball and smashed it as hard as he could. Luckily he was rubbish at tennis so he missed by a mile but even as we walked off the court he was swearing at them and saying he'd be back to "sort them out."Paul Higgins, Guernsey
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
superb
― Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
he's a complicated man
― Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link