"BECAUSE I'M A CRIPPLE AND I WANT TO LISTEN TO NIRVANA NOW!" the Friday Night Lights TV series thread

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ok, there were a few other related threads but this is sorely overdue. so many trememdous scenes in last night's w/ Riggins living at coach's house..lol. those scenes pretty much write themselves. also, just for the generic scene of tx. h.s. kids doing the soulja boy at the dance = <3 <3 <3

johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

buddy was great last night.

Gukbe, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:48 (twelve years ago) link


Yerac, Saturday, 5 January 2008 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

where has street gone? does saracen matter anymore?

Gukbe, Sunday, 13 January 2008 09:57 (twelve years ago) link

lol tami's sister taping over coach's game tape w/ the office

johnny crunch, Sunday, 13 January 2008 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

I decided to watch this the other night. I lasted 3 minutes.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 13 January 2008 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

francis capra is awesome but this episode was pretty weak

johnny crunch, Saturday, 19 January 2008 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

New episode? WHAT?!

Mr. Goodman, Saturday, 19 January 2008 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

there has been more volleyball than football in the past two weeks

smash & landry should have more scenes together.

so sad landry dumps metal chick

peter berg guest appearance next wk? im ok w/ that but this season has been so all over the place.

johnny crunch, Saturday, 2 February 2008 03:16 (twelve years ago) link

last episode finally very good though. lots of good throughout the season, mind, just usually with some iffy stuff.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

this show makes me want to live in texas

webinar, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 13:03 (twelve years ago) link

season 3 sounds like a disaster

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 13:07 (twelve years ago) link

They're supposedly writing Smash and the Cripple off the show.

President Keyes, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

Smash I get. He realistically has to go off to college somewhere, but I'm bummed about Cripple. I've thought all his stories have been, if not central to, then at least an important component of the show. No Cripple means no Cripple's friend, Cripple's babymama or Cripple's baby. And no more Cripple/Tim Riggins interactions. :(

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

i just finished the first season on dvd and i have very mixed feelings about this show. in so many ways, it's a great show: strong acting, impressive production values/direction, a distinctive "look." but too much of the show is about bullshit formulaic teenage drama with the standard overly pretty actors. i'm almost 30 years old, i don't care about teenage problems anymore

n/a, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

awesome thread title btw

n/a, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

I've been torrenting the third season episodes (DirecTV only for now, NBC airings next spring) and it's even better than the end of last year.

So far, no Jason Street at all but Smash has been awesome.

And I'll just say it again: Connie Britton and Kyle Chandler play the most amazing married couple currently on television. Every second they're on screen together (and apart, too) is awesome.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 October 2008 07:06 (eleven years ago) link

Season 3 has been really excellent so far, each episode better than the last. If they keep it up the season finale will be the best episode they've ever done (fingers crossed).

Johnny Fever - I think Street comes back in the next episode (number five). I assume they didn't want to do the Smash story at the same time as the Street story, both of them being out of school and not really involved much with the other characters.

I wish more people had DirecTV (or cared enough to find other ways to watch).

Jouster, Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:33 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't grabbed ep. 4 yet, but I'm going to do it and watch it tonight.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

Where can I find it?

Virginia Plain, Saturday, 25 October 2008 02:10 (eleven years ago) link


Johnny Fever, Saturday, 25 October 2008 02:13 (eleven years ago) link

a definite return to form this season. I was a bit worried about the shortened season, but they're handling it really well so far. Truly quality.

Gukbe, Saturday, 25 October 2008 03:05 (eleven years ago) link

This season is really working for me. All the characterizations are back on track and interesting, kinda complex stuff is happening again. They've also allowed the characters a bit of happiness again, which is so heartening after season two essentially being "everybody's miserable." Some shows can do that really grim stuff, but it didn't work for FNL.

Jouster, Friday, 7 November 2008 07:43 (eleven years ago) link

Favorite moment this season was Smash's walk-on at Texas A&M...just that moment when they're told to 'go away and come back tomorrow'...the look on Smash's face, Coach knew that if they left, Smash would lose all of his confidence and never come back, that Smash needed to know that people believed in him, and could help him. So, so, so cool.

And how great is Matt Sacracen this season? That kid has got some serious acting chops.

VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 8 November 2008 20:51 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Yeah, this show is totally back on form. Only 3 episodes left until inevitable cancellation.

Gukbe, Thursday, 11 December 2008 12:53 (eleven years ago) link

have fought the urge to torrent; episodes will be on real tv starting 1/16 i believe & cant wait

johnny crunch, Thursday, 11 December 2008 15:08 (eleven years ago) link

i am on ep 4 or 5... not as sucked in as i was in earlier seasons, but maybe that is because of my present situation and not the show. i dunno. there are so many otm things about the south and its culture/characters.

very quotatious (tehresa), Thursday, 11 December 2008 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

just catching up on season 2

forgot how much I <3 coach

didn't even KNOW there was a season 3


cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 00:05 (eleven years ago) link

still a great thread title

cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 00:06 (eleven years ago) link

o thankig u

i saw "mud bowl" again on some random HD channel + it was grebt

johnny crunch, Sunday, 28 December 2008 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

Season 3's final few episodes resume in January, and I really can't wait. Outside of Mad Men and 30 Rock, I think Kyle Chandler is the best thing on television right now.

Gukbe, Sunday, 28 December 2008 00:36 (eleven years ago) link

he is great

you know who else is great? smash's mum, shame she only ever gets airtime as a byproduct of smash storylines

cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 01:51 (eleven years ago) link


cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 01:52 (eleven years ago) link

anyone seen "early edition"?

cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 01:53 (eleven years ago) link

matt saracen also great (whole reg cast great rly) but he has tht retarded z.deeschanel voice thing going

cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 12:31 (eleven years ago) link

"I'm not retarded. I google."

cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 12:51 (eleven years ago) link

the smash storyline at the beginning of season 3 is heartbreaking

cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

"no wants to know about your pubic hair."

cozwn, Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:15 (eleven years ago) link

Coz I have had a mad crush on Kyle chandler ever since middle school because of early edition!

thieverend (tehresa), Sunday, 28 December 2008 19:58 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

really liked newest episode. side storylines of buddys kids & landry and hot devon are aok w/ me. lol @ the ^^pubic hair^^ line xp

johnny crunch, Sunday, 1 March 2009 03:57 (eleven years ago) link

poor Landry...

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 March 2009 01:09 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

TWO more seasons!

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 27 March 2009 01:38 (eleven years ago) link

hot damn

johnny crunch, Friday, 27 March 2009 01:46 (eleven years ago) link

No way, really?!!!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 March 2009 02:44 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't been watching on NBC because I've already seen all the episodes, but I'll be VERY interested to see how they pick things up next year.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 March 2009 02:45 (eleven years ago) link


Tyra and Lyla will be back to wrap up their storylines next season, and then they'll be gone. Not sure about everyone else except Kyle Chandler and Connie Britton.

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 27 March 2009 02:46 (eleven years ago) link

that excited 'really!' should have been an xpost, and was not as sarcastic as it might have read. I'm really excited.

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 27 March 2009 02:46 (eleven years ago) link

Got it. I just went and read the bit at AV Club. Will miss both of them, but we know now how well the writers can do a worthwhile sendoff.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 March 2009 02:49 (eleven years ago) link

What about Julie? Isn't she tramping around on BH90210?

VAG... NI... HITLER (Leee), Friday, 27 March 2009 03:06 (eleven years ago) link

she was wonder woman in a david kelley tv pilot. you can find it online. it is... not good, although she did the best she could with what she had.

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 08:54 (five years ago) link

imo they're the best portrayal of a married couple ever on television.

100% cosign

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 08:55 (five years ago) link

xp oh that's right. it was tv. there have been so many failed wonder woman projects in the last decade i confuse them.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 09:13 (five years ago) link

and we have more failed wonder woman to look forward to! thanks dc!

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 09:31 (five years ago) link

friday night lights will have a new superfan in ~60 hours

Probably--but much faster. Same with House of Cards; really skeptical at first, got better and better. Six Feet Under and Mad Men were better from the start, but even they didn't hit their peak till three or four seasons in.

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 12:52 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Halfway through the second season. A friend warned me that it was the weakest, but so far I've liked most of it. The daughter bugs me sometimes--she mopes around and cries a lot. Riggins, who was such a drag the first few episodes, gets better all the time; him calling the radio station about Jesus and the Turin Shroud killed me. The music, almost none of which I know, usually works; "Now That I Know" is the first Devendra Banhart song I've ever heard, and I love it.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 June 2015 04:01 (five years ago) link

Riggins is my favorite

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 28 June 2015 04:34 (five years ago) link

If nothing else, S2 has one of Saracen's best scenes and a pretty amusing guest star in the finale

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 28 June 2015 06:16 (five years ago) link

Smash is another character who was very one-dimensional for the first few episodes--the vainglorious, refers-to-himself-in-the-third-person show-off (and being black, they caricatured him even further)--but has settled down and gets better all the time. That side of him is still there, but ever since that one girl called him out on it (Waverly; hope she comes back), he almost treats it like a joke, and it's kind of charming; there was also the great episode where he led the boycott of the coach, and that took him somewhere else. The scenes with him and his mom are among the show's best.

I hope they figure out what to do with Landry and Tyra now that the murder's been resolved. They're such an interesting pair.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 June 2015 13:24 (five years ago) link

Finished season two.

If nothing else, S2 has one of Saracen's best scenes

His drunken scrimmage?

Landry having to choose between Tyra and Jean is pretty hilarious--they're like the two versions of everybody's dream girl. The cutting during the volleyball games could be a lot better; every close-up of Tyra underscores how awkward she is out there. The drug dealer guy was scary.

clemenza, Monday, 29 June 2015 13:44 (five years ago) link

As I tend to do, I obsess over the music. I wrote about Devendra Banhart's "Now That I Know" (season 2) for a movie-music blog a friend and I intermittently keep:


clemenza, Monday, 29 June 2015 22:03 (five years ago) link

That gap from the end of S2 to the beginning of S3 is jarring--I took the DVD out and made sure I hadn't rented the wrong season.

clemenza, Monday, 6 July 2015 03:39 (five years ago) link

yeah it's weird huh

from wiki:
This season ends on a cliffhanger due to the Writers' Strike. The show's head writer and executive producer, Jason Katims, stated that this last episode was “not in any way viewed as the season finale... If we were leading to the end of the season [under normal circumstances], we would have most likely brought the story around to the coach and his family again,” and there would have been a strong football element as well, Katims said. Seven of the 22 episodes NBC ordered for Season 2 weren’t made.[41]

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 July 2015 15:44 (five years ago) link

When 2 ends, the team is trying to get into the playoffs so that Smash can return from his suspension. Within 5 minutes of the start of 3, you find out that Smash has graduated (?) and is recovering from a knee injury (??), and then the Coach gets into his car and refers to his wife as the principal (???).

Once you get into the first episode, it's no big deal (although something I read points out that Diego never shows up again, with no explanation). I'm five or six episodes into 3, and most of it has been very good, with the exception of Tyra's Linda-Lovelace-for- President run at student council--that seemed like a stretch. It took about four false starts for Smash to go through with his walk-on tryout, but the wait was worth it--him getting accepted, and the way he fakes out his mom, was very moving.

clemenza, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 01:24 (five years ago) link

Was season 3 the first Direct TV season?

:wq (Leee), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 16:07 (five years ago) link

that was 4 i think

Spottie, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 16:18 (five years ago) link

Yeah, first 3 were on NBC, last 2 were on DirecTV.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 16:21 (five years ago) link

Hoping another VegemiteGrrl shows up on ILX, just so I can designate one of them VG-1 and the other VG-2.

clemenza, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 17:30 (five years ago) link

she would not last long, i would fight her in the thunderdome & win

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 17:44 (five years ago) link

No Mud Bowl showdown?

:wq (Leee), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 18:20 (five years ago) link


difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 18:44 (five years ago) link

Season 3 was the first DirecTV season, not 4.

Jouster, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 21:34 (five years ago) link

The early Direct stuff ended up on NBC as filler programming a few months later.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 21:45 (five years ago) link

Ssn 2 had the incredible disappearing Santiago storyline iirc

No that later seasons were much better with stray plots--Hastings Ruckle wtf?

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 01:23 (five years ago) link

I didn't think S2 was as much of a comedown as everyone else seems to think. The problem with the Tyra/Landry detour, for me, wasn't so much the murder itself, but that a smart guy like Landry wouldn't realize he had an obvious self-defense alibi. It took him most of the season to do what I would have thought he'd do right away.

Anyway, S3 was definitely better. Found lots of scenes surprisingly moving--I think I got verklempt every time someone got accepted into college (first Smash, then Riggins and Tyra), or when people selflessly urged them on (Billy to Tim, Tim to Lyla, Tyra's mom and Landry and Mrs. Taylor to Tyra). I did think there was an obvious flaw or oversight at the end of the last episode. The surprise coup worked well; I'm really looking forward to this fictional team and fictional coach getting their fictional revenge in S4. But there seemed to be no interaction between the coach and Buddy Garrity over what was engineered, unless I missed it. You'd think that Taylor would have been furious with Garrity, yet at Billy's wedding, there didn't seem to be any acknowledgement of that.

Sorry to say that I bet that's it for Devin.

clemenza, Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:29 (five years ago) link

Oh, Devin............

:wq (Leee), Thursday, 9 July 2015 19:35 (five years ago) link

reminiscing abt Tim Riggins
I may have to rewatch this whole series again

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:50 (five years ago) link

Borrowed S4 from the friend who got me going on this in the first place. When he and his wife went to Texas a few years ago--a trip that he said was partly inspired by wanting to visit some locales from the series, which they both love--the guy who plays Saracen was on the plane back with them.

First four episodes of S4 were pretty good, although Taylor's "Let's finish this"-type motivational speeches are starting to blur together at this point. Liked Vince from his first scene, and Joe McCoy has turned out to be a great villain. (When I was double-checking his name on Wikipedia, I stupidly glanced at the results of all the games for this season. So I know now what happens when East and West Dillon play...not that I didn't expect something like that anyway.)

clemenza, Sunday, 12 July 2015 12:15 (five years ago) link

That song at the end of "Stay," the episode where Julie and Matt sneak off to the Austin Music Festival--I thought it was Springsteen as it played, Matt driving off (presumably to Chicago), and it felt good to respond emotionally to Springsteen, as I rarely do. In some ways, he feels like this invisible presences throughout the whole series. Anyway, wasn't him; "This House of Cards" by Jamie Mefford & Blue Light, whom I've never heard of. When I checked the credits online, they said "Don't Think Twice" was used in the Direct TV version (I'm watching DVDs right now), which I don't actually understand--my friend's wife said yesterday that "Don't Look Twice" would turn up, and I was looking forward to that, but evidently that won't happen.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 July 2015 21:34 (five years ago) link

I think this is the bingiest day I've ever had. Trying to decide if I should watch the last two episodes and finish up tonight.

The actress who plays Vince's mom is beyond great. The scene where she went to thank Taylor was incredible. Something else I loved: Buddy, after he proposes the idea for the late-night game between the park guys and East Dillon--initially ridiculed by Taylor, quickly accepted by the old-guard community guys--saying "Everybody loves football." It was such a perfect, simple, and heartfelt line for that character.

Getting tired of Julie at this point. And when Becky's mom comes home and completely misunderstands what's going on, I just thought "Is this really necessary? We already had this scene with Riggins and Julie." (Becky going to Riggins right after was nice, though.)

clemenza, Monday, 13 July 2015 02:52 (five years ago) link

Getting tired of Julie at this point.

That ain't gonna change much.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 July 2015 02:55 (five years ago) link

Meant to talk about Glenn, too. The scene where he apologizes to the Coach was fantastically awkward. Coach's "You know this means I've kissed Glenn by proxy" might be the funniest line yet. And there's apparently a rule in these things that bizarre social misfits must be named Glenn. (Speaking of which, agree with something I read online about Gracie Bell possibly being from another planet.)

clemenza, Monday, 13 July 2015 03:03 (five years ago) link

Should be the subtitle of the series

Friday Night Lights: Tired of Julie

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 July 2015 03:04 (five years ago) link

Gracie Bell is the weirdest looking baby ever

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 July 2015 03:04 (five years ago) link

right? really nailing that alien hick look

that thing julie keeps doing with her lips is extremely annoying

amalmer panda (qiqing), Monday, 13 July 2015 04:50 (five years ago) link

Four episodes into the last season. My favourite performers are Vince's mom (still) and the guy who plays Luke--he's great. There's a lot of things they could have done to make Julie's time at university interesting, but this romance with the married T.A. is pointless. Third song I'd never heard and took the trouble to find and download: the National's "Start a War."

clemenza, Thursday, 16 July 2015 01:35 (five years ago) link

I've never seen a film as mediocre/annoying as Me, Earl and the Dying Girl have so many references to famous, great, and sometimes esoteric films and directors, right down to Brakhage, Eames, and using David Shire's Conversation music on the soundtrack. Almost all the reference are via a far-fetched plot device. I'm posting here because the main character's mom is played by Connie Britton, Mrs. Taylor. She only get three scenes. Really threw me when she showed up, but she gets a nice moment when her son heads out the door for prom.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 01:42 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

More Connie:


clemenza, Monday, 14 September 2015 13:29 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

A lot of things about The Spectacular Now bugged me, chief among them the "What universe is this?" problem you get with certain movies ("Wait a minute--didn't she just get flattened by a fast-moving car?"), and also--turned up in every review I skimmed afterwards--Miles Teller's uncanny resemblance to John Cusack. That was a major distraction. But Kyle Chandler was good, Shailene Woodley was really good, and I was moved by scene near the end where Jennifer Jason Leigh pointed out Teller's essential goodness.

clemenza, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 23:54 (four years ago) link

Oh yeah, that car wreck thing involved a lot of suspension of belief.

On the DVD, there are some deleted scenes that, while of some merit, would have made the film a little less special by tilting the narrative a little closer to conventional teen movie territory.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 23:59 (four years ago) link

improbable car accidents seem to be a running theme in Teller's movies

especially weird considering he was nearly killed in one irl

Number None, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 00:02 (four years ago) link

sometimes i forget that FNL was a movie first.

every time i see this thread i want to go back and watch s1 again.

INTOXICATING LIQUORS (art), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 00:02 (four years ago) link

Every time a see this thread I do go back and watch s 1

I know when that Ott line zings (Spottie), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 00:19 (four years ago) link

A friend just gave me the movie--it'll be weird watching it after the series, but I will.

I found so much of The Spectacular Now just really odd. I didn't know beforehand that Chandler was in it--when Teller's character placed the call to him, for 30 seconds I was thinking "I know that voice, I know that voice."

clemenza, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 00:21 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

Started my first re-watch tonight, about five years removed from the first time. On this thread and elsewhere I posted that I thought it took a few episodes to lighten up, that the first few were nothing but close-ups and an air of grimness. The first episode didn't really feel that way this time. One thing that made me laugh was the coach and his assistant mock announcing that "It's only a football game."

clemenza, Friday, 17 July 2020 00:28 (three weeks ago) link

Beautiful scene: when Taylor goes to basically apologize to Smash for being so tough on him (after learning of the supplements), and they end up playing football with the neighborhood kids.

clemenza, Saturday, 18 July 2020 22:13 (three weeks ago) link

Loved the first season this time, start to finish. Lyla is a weak link--Minka Kelly just isn't up to her big dramatic moments--and Saracen's aw-shucks stammering can be wearing at times, but Tyra, Waveryly, and everyone else more than make up for that.

clemenza, Monday, 20 July 2020 14:23 (three weeks ago) link

Finished S5 last night. Dug up this excellent review of the finale from 2011 (James Poniewozik, who wrote Audience of One--turned up when I searched "Did the East Dillon Lions win?):


Definitely moved up my all-time TV list: top 5, for sure. I wouldn't have spent nearly as much time on Julie in that last season--next to all the compelling stuff going on in East Dillon, it was a drag every time they switched over to her. (Salvaged somewhat in the end.) And post-prison Tim didn't really work for me either, though again, salvaged once Tyra shows up. (Such a great shot when she turns up at the bar and emerges from the shadows.) I wish there'd been some final grace-note with Epyck, but I realize it's truer not to have that.

Those are my quibbles; I could go on and on about all the stuff that got to me emotionally or that made me laugh, starting with how the Philadelphia-or-Dillon story played out. Funniest line in the finale: "Clear eyes, full hearts...yeah, we'll deal with that later."

clemenza, Saturday, 1 August 2020 12:49 (one week ago) link

One scenario re Epyck that I don't think is implausible (and maybe even implied): Tami was brought to this college with the specific job of revamping the admissions process--to start looking at the student rather than the SAT score--so I could see where four or five years down the road she brings Epyck to Braemore.

clemenza, Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:58 (one week ago) link

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