Amazon Kindle (ebook thingy)

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I don't see any thread about this - looks interesting?

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/amazon-kindle-live/amazon-kindle-e+book-reader-launch-live-324292.php

Or see Amazon's front page.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Interesting, yes, but I'm not feeling overwhelmed quite yet.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Email your Word documents and pictures (.JPG, .GIF, .BMP, .PNG) to Kindle for easy on-the-go viewing.

No PDFs, though?

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, no PDFs. I would have been pretty interested if it had had PDF capability, but I have no interest without that, sadly.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Wikipedia is the "best encylcopedia in the world"

Yeah i stopped reading after this blatant sentence of death

Ste, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought that was the name of Julian Cope's Krautrock book and webpage.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, I guess that typo is only on our side.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

is there anyway of changing that screen colour? black text on grey - ew

Ste, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I helped design the hardware! I don't think I can answer any questions yet, but it's an exciting day for us out here in Cupertino.

schwantz, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Apple plots! Trickery! Or not.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link

hard to disagree

DG, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Watch the vids

schwantz, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link

OMG it has a bookmark function???????????????????

DG, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

engadget claims PDF support, so now I'm confused. Essentially if I could fill this with math papers it would be awesome, but not otherwise.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:11 (sixteen years ago) link

anywhere-in-the-world access to wikipedia, in something the size of a paperback, sounds pretty awesome. i read a bunch of ebooks on a monochrome unbacklit palm, back in the day, and it was surprisingly pleasant (esp in comparison to later colour/backlit vsns, or reading off a computer screen). i think this is pretty awesome. still - the industrial design on it looks pretty awful.

sean gramophone, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Holy shit did this thing get designed by Tomy in 1988?

stet, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

2.5 out of 5 is the average rating from 140 customers...
doesnt look promising.
the price is too high,it has a light problem and it's ugly: "electronic paper that Japanese were working on was only a thin sheet of artificial electronic paper A4 format which you can roll into a pocket"

Zeno, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link

no pdfs no credibility </lazy zing>

plus you have to pay to read stuff you already... own?? I have problems enough paying for that stuff in the first place

sony e-reader looks hella better and that was lame in the first place

boo amazon

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, amazon is one of the better web1.0 (yeah, whatevers) companies when it comes to, you know, like, having a fkn clue, but this flys directly in the face of any clue they have

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link

2.5 out of 5 is the average rating from 140 customers...
doesnt look promising.
the price is too high,it has a light problem and it's ugly: "electronic paper that Japanese were working on was only a thin sheet of artificial electronic paper A4 format which you can roll into a pocket"

-- Zeno, Monday, November 19, 2007 10:09 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

didn't it come out like... today? dont know if i'd take those reviews too seriously

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link

huh. i'll check it out in 3 yrs when it's cheap and usable.

Jordan, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link

report back!

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

ok!

Jordan, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, 'bump' pls

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link

"dont know if i'd take those reviews too seriously"
the reviews are written by testers of the product.
(unless they are liars)

Zeno, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link

unheard of!

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I know that link to the Newsweek cover already mentioned it, but wtf... this failed miserably a decade ago.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link

This looks... less than usable. Sigh.

Casuistry, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Shockingly ugly - and way too expensive to boot. The only way something like this could possibly take off is if it was free, maybe with some kind of reasonable subscription package - say, "twenty dollars a month for five books & we will throw in this ugly clunky device for FREE."

Jeff LeVine, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I could definitely see this coming in handy--there are many occasions when I'll be working on something and I need a certain book; it would be awesome to be able to get it right away. But I'm not gonna pay four hundred dollars for it. I mean, it's a book! I'll just go out and buy it if I really need it.

G00blar, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link

But I'm not gonna pay four hundred dollars for it. I mean, it's a book! I'll just go out and buy it if I really need it.

-- G00blar, Monday, November 19, 2007 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I don't think their initial target market is ILX. I'm sure if I'll ever take a business trip again I'll see some guys with these on the plane.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.smallsurfaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/segway.jpg

omar little, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw somebody recently using one of those professionally recently, in an airport or a big store, I think.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link

nice to see the whole internet thinks this kindle thing sucks :D

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah - everyone who hasn't actually used one.

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link

^^^ he made it, kids

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link

(which I mentioned at the top of the thread)

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link

what, you want a medal?

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Sheesh. Jerk.

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry :( i guess you don't need any more hassle :(

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link

wow what a dick!

jeff, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link

that's what all my ladies say

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd love to talk about cool lesser-known features and correct some assumptions and misconceptions about the device, but we've been specifically instructed not to do so. So for now, I'll just let it go... Sorry about the jerk comment...

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

The quotes in The Guardian article are kind of funny...

Amazon's chief executive Jeff Bezos... "Books have stubbornly resisted digitisation. I think there's a very good reason for that, and that is the book is so highly evolved and so suited to its task that it's very hard to displace."

Philip Makinson, of Greenwich Consulting... "Do not get me wrong, it's a very nice bit of kit but what need is it fulfilling? Books are quite portable, cheap and universally available already."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/20/amazon.news?gusrc=rss&feed=10

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Why the fuck would anyone pay £195 for this? Reading it is never going to be as comfortable an experience as reading a book, so much isn't going to be easily or legally available and, y'know, it costs more than an iPod and not much less than an iPhone on contract. Not saying they do the same thing, but yeah, perspective.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i feel sorry for that schwantz guy now :(

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link

only possible appeal of this (or any equivalent) is not having to lift boxes and boxes of books when moving.

Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link

but when i fall asleep reading and the book inevitably falls off/behind the bed, i would be pretty mad if that book cost $200

Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd love to get one but the $400 is pretty steep.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought last night about all the Library of America editions I could line a shelf with using the same $400.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link

(the other thing i hasn't noticed before was that kobo site now mixes suggestions into your library - something i looked at last week but didn't purchase was in second slot after the thing i'd just bought)

koogs, Monday, 7 June 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Today's daily deal section in Canada is entirely romance novels featuring dukes. lol.

wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 07:52 (two years ago) link

i think the uk had that at the weekend.

today i did that click to see details, no response, click again, page eventually refeshes and i've clicked the '1-click' button and bought the thing. it was something i was interested in (Stephen Fry's Troy) and only 99p but annoying and i'd rather have bought it elsewhere.

koogs, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 08:26 (two years ago) link

they're pretty easy to get refunds for. your orders -> return for refund on the right.

wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 08:33 (two years ago) link

yeah, i've done it once before, but probably not worth it just to go buy it elsewhere. how much rocket fuel does the profit on 99p buy?

koogs, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 08:54 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

"The Book Thief: The life-affirming international bestseller as seen on TikTok"

Kindle daily deal today. I've moaned about the crap that they add to titles before, crap which ends up in the title field on the ereader, but this one seems particularly odd. plus it's already been a film.

koogs, Saturday, 18 September 2021 05:39 (two years ago) link

(the actual tiktok content is stuck behind cookie banners and privacy policy popups but i can see "2.4m views", i guess that's why)

koogs, Saturday, 18 September 2021 05:42 (two years ago) link

Fuck, that’s grim

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 20 September 2021 13:16 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

they've pretty much abandoned the daily deals, in canada at least. unmaintained page and few hidden gems to rummage for. audible daily deal has had garbage selections for months too, mostly romance novels and YA flops.

adam t. (abanana), Monday, 13 December 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link

seems odd, there are still sidebar links for them, but they just lead to white pages.

can you sensibly use a different amazon? pay by gift card, download for "Kindle for PC" and then remove the drm for local use? kobo.com often echo the amazon deals, albeit as epubs, but again these are breakable and convertable. don't know about region restrictions.

koogs, Monday, 13 December 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link

i have looked at kobo canada and that's a ton of no-name sci fi deals. and not all that cheap.

koogs, Monday, 13 December 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link

I’ve stopped using my kindle almost completely. I’ve been reading ePubs on Marvin on my phone - usually B-OK bootlegs of books I’ve already bought paper copies of.

I get tinnitus and there was a period where I could only concentrate by using the “karaoke” function on Marvin that flashes words at you one at a time, Parallax View-style. It sounds horrible, but it’s actually quite enjoyable when you get used to it, and I find I can concentrate and read for longer, although it’s much better for simply-written genre books or magazine features than anything complicated.

The Marvin voice-to-text function is also really good. Listening to the app’s female robot voice do “Heartburn” was miles better than the Meryl Streep audiobook - better deadpan comic timing, more Jewish-sounding.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 13 December 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link

bad: turns out the sci-fi thing i took a punt on last month is part two of two

good: part one turned up as a daily deal today = cheap

bad: the reviews aren't great (of course only people who liked the first one even bought the second one so they skew positive)

and it's 500 pages

koogs, Friday, 17 December 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link

don't see it in the deals section but a pushkin-vertigo 4 pack of frederick dard novels is now on sale for under $3
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-French-Noir-Box-Set-ebook/dp/B0951MZXR4
https://www.amazon.ca/Authentic-French-Noir-Box-Set-ebook/dp/B0951MZXR4

adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 19 December 2021 17:51 (two years ago) link

My kobo has replaced the current / total page count with current / total chapter count, which is next to useless. Also the on/off switch is broken but I can switch it on by plugging it in.

two sleeps till brooklyn (ledge), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link

should've broken it when they were 20 quid off, just before Christmas.

you can also turn them on by waving a magnet over them - it's how the sleep cover works. top left back seems best on the clara.

koogs, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link

as for the count, mine gives me options for setting both header and footer counts. v4.22.15190.

koogs, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link

Yes and the footer count is set to current / total pages... will try the magnet trick though.

two sleeps till brooklyn (ledge), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

curious as to whether the new amazon comixology things worked the same way as the text ebooks do i downloaded 49p of random comic and had a go. and it was fine. every page is just the same as the covers on normal ebooks: a div and a JPEG, and coverted to epub perfectly and it's easy to convert from there to cbz

also fixed the problem i had with calibre resizing images too small to be readable - i was using the default kobo settings which are only 400x600px or something

Amazon now shows the size of downloads and some of those 600 page Usagi Yojimbo omnibuses are 1.5GB!

koogs, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link

do you… have a script?

mh, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link

it's the same calibre plugin everybody else uses

koogs, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 03:13 (one year ago) link

gotcha

good lord did they fuck up comixology, though. the old app (on iPad, and the web reader) were a lot better, the new website has dead links despite it being new, and I’ve found multiple different ways to view the library, some of which toss you into all kindle purchases, one that shows your comixology purchases, and one that lacks the “from comixology” filter entirely but does include a “comixology unlimited” filter

mh, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link

Chunky is great for iPad + nice developer

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

the amixology app on my tablet crashes after 5 seconds every time. i have effectively lost all my drm-ed purchases (the old drm-free ones are still downloadable and viewable in any cbr reader, thankfully)

koogs, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 20:12 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

none of the three things that caught my eye from the monthly deals for may seem to have made it across to kobo.com. I'll give it another week.

i have a script now that will scrape the monthly deals into a text file and it's interesting to see how they change from one week to the next.

koogs, Monday, 2 May 2022 21:29 (one year ago) link

(two of those now on offer)

koogs, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

does anyone have cataracts and use a backlit kindle and if so how is it? thinking of getting my mum one for Christmas but she has problems with some light sources.

another question, is the a thread for terrible shovelware ebook covers, like this one? i see so many...

https://kbimages1-a.akamaihd.net/a8ed6d40-33af-4baa-b798-ed918cb61d32/353/569/90/False/the-decline-and-fall-of-the-roman-empire-volume-one.jpg

koogs, Saturday, 5 November 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link

Lolol

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 5 November 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link

found a book covers thread here Demented Book Covers

koogs, Saturday, 5 November 2022 17:49 (one year ago) link

I've got mild cataracts and also corneal epithelial dystrophy that makes glare and pinpoint light sources excruciating. The kindle Paperwhite is more comfortable for me to read with than physical books. Adjustable light level and font size ftw

Jaq, Saturday, 5 November 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

that's what i was hoping. plus no more having the light on in the middle of the night. thanks jaq.

koogs, Saturday, 5 November 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

(i did nothing about buying ma a kobo and then yesterday when i looked they were £20 off so...)

koogs, Sunday, 11 December 2022 17:10 (one year ago) link

where?

ledge, Sunday, 11 December 2022 18:10 (one year ago) link

I can see the high end libra and low end nia on sale in the kobo store but not the middle end clara which I want to replace one of our broken ones.

ledge, Sunday, 11 December 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link

my kingdom for a modern Mini

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 11 December 2022 18:19 (one year ago) link

yeah, just those two (same deal at Argos). they had Black Friday deals on the crazy expensive ones and the clara h2o thing (recycled plastic, waterproof, more money) but i think the vanilla claras have been replaced by those (although they have a refurbished one)

koogs, Sunday, 11 December 2022 19:08 (one year ago) link

the nia has arrived (argos do overnight delivery to a checkpoint 10 minutes away. first time i've used one. it's just a kiosk inside a sainsburys local and you enter your order number and name but it seems to rely on a staff member noticing you hanging around)

the plastic feels a bit more plasticky and the on/off/sleep button is inset a lot more than my clara, to the point where you need to use a fingernail and which makes it easy to turn it off when you want sleep. new firmware as well by the look, and the fonts seem to start a lot smaller than mine. lower resolution is noticeable if you're used to the hd clara but doesn't look too bad (it's worse whilst changing pages, but then it settles and looks no worse than some books i have)

the bit i do like is that the logo on the front is now embossed and not printed (i had to go over mine with a sharpee because it was a bit too white)

was £70 on offer, down from £90. my clara was also 20 quid off the original price when i bought it, £80 i think, but they went up and then got replaced by the recycled plastic / audiobook thing. the nia's not great but i'm not sure i'd pay the extra £60 to get the clara e2

koogs, Monday, 12 December 2022 19:44 (one year ago) link

(looks like the other non-kindle alternatives could be the newer nooks and the pocketbook range. only links to the nook i can find go to amazon that just seems to show me random stuff.)

koogs, Monday, 12 December 2022 19:45 (one year ago) link

I've ordered a nia, the £60 saving (compared to the clara) was an offer I couldn't refuse. I'm not sure what our previous models are - touch or aura I guess - I got two new for £100 after they'd been superseded by the clara. what I like about them, just aesthetically not functionally, is that the screen is not inset, the whole front is a single smooth surface.

ledge, Monday, 12 December 2022 19:55 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

I was reading a book and as soon as I got to the acknowledgements, Kindle popped up the "rate this book! Read this next!" thing. I was so mad.

what have I done to deserve you (lukas), Saturday, 25 February 2023 05:33 (one year ago) link

gah. bought actual official penguin classic version of Notre-Dame de Paris and it's full of typesetting badness. have seen the following several times:

‘some speech’, and then,’ some more speech’

where the third apostrophe is also the wrong shape, a 9 rather than a 6.

épice appears as ¿pice in the footnotes

and generally the footnotes are per-page, and each has its own entry in the toc, meaning the toc is 18 pages long and, of course, the ebook pages aren't the same as the original's so the numbers are pointless. the footnote markers are also superscript leading to a bigger line gap on the lines where they appear.

(all of this fixable locally but annoying)

koogs, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 08:52 (one year ago) link

> I've ordered a nia
> ledge

how are you finding it?

koogs, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 08:56 (one year ago) link

It's my wife's, I haven't used it myself but she's perfectly happy with it. I'll try and have a go with it later.

ledge, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 09:06 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...
three weeks pass...

Anyone had any luck trying KOReader on the Kindle?

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 19:39 (ten months ago) link

six months pass...

reading Jennifer Saint's Ariadne. but they've hard-coded the font (Sabon LT) and it's very spindly especially on a backlit screen. but i have an editor, i can change that...

20 different 'txt' styles and it's specified in every single one. the C in CSS is for cascading. also fixed the first-line-indent which was way too low. and added a margin before the sections. does nobody ever read these things?

(what's bigger than a paragraph? new paragraphs are indented by a character or two but there's no gap above them. but once in a while, one a major change of subject, there'll be a one-line gap and the next paragraph will be hard to the left. is there a name for this? section?)

koogs, Saturday, 4 November 2023 12:01 (four months ago) link

three months pass...


CARELLA: What made you cnoindente your mind?
PATRICIA: I cnoindented my mind, that’s right.

took me a while to work out what was happening here. i wonder if the original kindle version was correct?

koogs, Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:32 (three weeks ago) link

noindent whoever came up with that find & replace.

organ doner (ledge), Monday, 12 February 2024 06:13 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

it's that time again...

just went to download recent purchases and it's forcing me to upgrade Kindle for PC version, which means more reading around on how to break the d r m. only out £1.99 of this doesn't work but it's annoying.

koogs, Saturday, 2 March 2024 19:26 (three days ago) link

new plugin needs new calibre...

koogs, Saturday, 2 March 2024 20:03 (three days ago) link


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