Amazon Kindle (ebook thingy)

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I don't see any thread about this - looks interesting?

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/amazon-kindle-live/amazon-kindle-e+book-reader-launch-live-324292.php

Or see Amazon's front page.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

Interesting, yes, but I'm not feeling overwhelmed quite yet.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

Email your Word documents and pictures (.JPG, .GIF, .BMP, .PNG) to Kindle for easy on-the-go viewing.

No PDFs, though?

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

OK, no PDFs. I would have been pretty interested if it had had PDF capability, but I have no interest without that, sadly.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

Wikipedia is the "best encylcopedia in the world"

Yeah i stopped reading after this blatant sentence of death

Ste, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

I thought that was the name of Julian Cope's Krautrock book and webpage.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, I guess that typo is only on our side.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

is there anyway of changing that screen colour? black text on grey - ew

Ste, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

I helped design the hardware! I don't think I can answer any questions yet, but it's an exciting day for us out here in Cupertino.

schwantz, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

Apple plots! Trickery! Or not.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

hard to disagree

DG, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

Watch the vids

schwantz, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

OMG it has a bookmark function???????????????????

DG, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

engadget claims PDF support, so now I'm confused. Essentially if I could fill this with math papers it would be awesome, but not otherwise.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

anywhere-in-the-world access to wikipedia, in something the size of a paperback, sounds pretty awesome. i read a bunch of ebooks on a monochrome unbacklit palm, back in the day, and it was surprisingly pleasant (esp in comparison to later colour/backlit vsns, or reading off a computer screen). i think this is pretty awesome. still - the industrial design on it looks pretty awful.

sean gramophone, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

Holy shit did this thing get designed by Tomy in 1988?

stet, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

2.5 out of 5 is the average rating from 140 customers...
doesnt look promising.
the price is too high,it has a light problem and it's ugly: "electronic paper that Japanese were working on was only a thin sheet of artificial electronic paper A4 format which you can roll into a pocket"

Zeno, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

no pdfs no credibility </lazy zing>

plus you have to pay to read stuff you already... own?? I have problems enough paying for that stuff in the first place

sony e-reader looks hella better and that was lame in the first place

boo amazon

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, amazon is one of the better web1.0 (yeah, whatevers) companies when it comes to, you know, like, having a fkn clue, but this flys directly in the face of any clue they have

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

2.5 out of 5 is the average rating from 140 customers...
doesnt look promising.
the price is too high,it has a light problem and it's ugly: "electronic paper that Japanese were working on was only a thin sheet of artificial electronic paper A4 format which you can roll into a pocket"

-- Zeno, Monday, November 19, 2007 10:09 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

didn't it come out like... today? dont know if i'd take those reviews too seriously

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

huh. i'll check it out in 3 yrs when it's cheap and usable.

Jordan, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

report back!

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

ok!

Jordan, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, 'bump' pls

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

"dont know if i'd take those reviews too seriously"
the reviews are written by testers of the product.
(unless they are liars)

Zeno, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

unheard of!

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

I know that link to the Newsweek cover already mentioned it, but wtf... this failed miserably a decade ago.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

This looks... less than usable. Sigh.

Casuistry, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:22 (twelve years ago) link

Shockingly ugly - and way too expensive to boot. The only way something like this could possibly take off is if it was free, maybe with some kind of reasonable subscription package - say, "twenty dollars a month for five books & we will throw in this ugly clunky device for FREE."

Jeff LeVine, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I could definitely see this coming in handy--there are many occasions when I'll be working on something and I need a certain book; it would be awesome to be able to get it right away. But I'm not gonna pay four hundred dollars for it. I mean, it's a book! I'll just go out and buy it if I really need it.

G00blar, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:51 (twelve years ago) link

But I'm not gonna pay four hundred dollars for it. I mean, it's a book! I'll just go out and buy it if I really need it.

-- G00blar, Monday, November 19, 2007 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I don't think their initial target market is ILX. I'm sure if I'll ever take a business trip again I'll see some guys with these on the plane.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.smallsurfaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/segway.jpg

omar little, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

I saw somebody recently using one of those professionally recently, in an airport or a big store, I think.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

nice to see the whole internet thinks this kindle thing sucks :D

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah - everyone who hasn't actually used one.

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ he made it, kids

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

(which I mentioned at the top of the thread)

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

what, you want a medal?

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

Sheesh. Jerk.

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

sorry :( i guess you don't need any more hassle :(

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

wow what a dick!

jeff, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

that's what all my ladies say

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

I'd love to talk about cool lesser-known features and correct some assumptions and misconceptions about the device, but we've been specifically instructed not to do so. So for now, I'll just let it go... Sorry about the jerk comment...

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

The quotes in The Guardian article are kind of funny...

Amazon's chief executive Jeff Bezos... "Books have stubbornly resisted digitisation. I think there's a very good reason for that, and that is the book is so highly evolved and so suited to its task that it's very hard to displace."

Philip Makinson, of Greenwich Consulting... "Do not get me wrong, it's a very nice bit of kit but what need is it fulfilling? Books are quite portable, cheap and universally available already."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/20/amazon.news?gusrc=rss&feed=10

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

Why the fuck would anyone pay £195 for this? Reading it is never going to be as comfortable an experience as reading a book, so much isn't going to be easily or legally available and, y'know, it costs more than an iPod and not much less than an iPhone on contract. Not saying they do the same thing, but yeah, perspective.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

i feel sorry for that schwantz guy now :(

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

only possible appeal of this (or any equivalent) is not having to lift boxes and boxes of books when moving.

Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

but when i fall asleep reading and the book inevitably falls off/behind the bed, i would be pretty mad if that book cost $200

Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

I'd love to get one but the $400 is pretty steep.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

I thought last night about all the Library of America editions I could line a shelf with using the same $400.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

Mine's been in airplane mode for about 3 years now

groovypanda, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 08:42 (nine months ago) link

that's the only way to do it. I got a message to turn it off because of some japanese content and it sneaked the latest firmware onto me - fucking scum of the earth amazon!

calzino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 08:51 (nine months ago) link

wtf at the odd little to-and-fro between kindle designer and ilxor near the beginning of this thread.

Ste, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 12:00 (nine months ago) link

I paid the twenty bucks to not have ads and I don’t regret it

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 12:07 (nine months ago) link

My kindle died last summer and I replaced it with a Kobo (mostly because this allows me to borrow books from libraries here in Canada) and I have to stay I am very happy with it and seeing stuff like the tweet above just confirms that I made the right decision

silverfish, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:58 (nine months ago) link

Haven't designed any Kindles in a long time, and changed my DN a few years ago, but I'm still around. That back-and-forth was a real bummer at the time though. I was all excited about something I worked on and it felt bad to get shit on over it. Usually I just get ignored!

DJI, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:09 (nine months ago) link

Hmm, really going to have to look into the Kobo app/store as a replacement for my Kindle app (which I hate myself for loving)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:33 (nine months ago) link

irrefutable

Trump attorney Alan Dershowitz: "If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment." https://t.co/jKErQcS1Iy pic.twitter.com/zo4rL6Zbla

— ABC News (@ABC) January 29, 2020

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:36 (nine months ago) link

oops wrong thred

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:37 (nine months ago) link

Once my Nooks stop working I'm going for a Kobo, I'm mostly annoyed that I can't customize my wallpapers anymore.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:57 (nine months ago) link

I still don't understand why Amazon don't let you do that on the Kindle.

If the option was to have adverts or pay the extra to remove them AND have the ability to change your screensavers, imagine more people would pay the extra. Seems ridiculous that the only way to do it is to jailbreak your Kindle (if you can)

groovypanda, Thursday, 30 January 2020 07:54 (nine months ago) link

guess the principle of customer obsession only goes so far after all

j., Thursday, 30 January 2020 08:51 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

idk how much longer it's on for but a whole bunch of Fitzcarraldo Editions books are £2.63 on the Kindle store at the moment.

ShariVari, Monday, 6 April 2020 08:49 (six months ago) link

sorry if this was addressed--couldn't find it on this thread through cmd+f: what are amazonclassics editions? what does "includes editorial revisions" mean? seem to usually be public domain books, i think. i'm wondering if they are abridged in any way.

forensic plumber (harbl), Monday, 6 April 2020 15:46 (six months ago) link

A bunch of those were made available for free during lockdown recently, but it's not obvious what the revisions are. Easy enough to find out though - compare them against Gutenberg versions. (not easy easy, but possible - convert to epub, strip out all the tags, diff)

koogs, Monday, 6 April 2020 16:13 (six months ago) link

But my guess is that Amazon were fed up of the 10,000 other cheap versions of each, figured they'd muscle in.

koogs, Monday, 6 April 2020 16:14 (six months ago) link

The cheap Fitzcarraldo editions seems to have been a mistake as they're twice the price today. I bought Axiomatic.

wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 21:54 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Most of them are £3.95 now

What fash heil is this? (wins), Monday, 25 May 2020 09:07 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

new Kobo

https://www.wired.com/review/kobo-nia/

the words don't really match the 5/10 score.

it's £20 less than the clara HD. still not the 5" thing that would tempt me to ditch my mini though.

koogs, Friday, 17 July 2020 08:22 (three months ago) link

"Battery life is only OK"

i need to charge mine for like an hour a month. how is that a burdon?

koogs, Friday, 17 July 2020 08:23 (three months ago) link

Bluetooth, no audiobooks, and not waterproof. Typing is so slow that I thought about starting a meditation app while I waited for it to load.

don't know why i would want bluetooth, if i listened to audiobooks i would use my phone. slow typing sounds like it would be a pain... for the less than 5 characters a day on average i type when buying books.

neith moon (ledge), Friday, 17 July 2020 08:40 (three months ago) link

I have a Kindle but spend a lot of time converting bootl3g epubs on calibre, Usually just a digital version of the paper that I’m reading at the time, so I can read it in the dark when my daughter’s sleeping, so it’s tempting to just buy a Kobo so I can skip Amazon entirely

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:22 (three months ago) link

That’ll teach me to dictate a post on Siri

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:23 (three months ago) link

Gah. Sometime in the last hour and somewhere in the 10ft between the sofa and the bed my kobo has developed a letter sized blob in the screen, about 90% down and central. Time to upgrade? Time to scour eBay?

koogs, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:57 (three months ago) link

I'm tempted. I've switched over to the Kobo app recently...the formatting is annoying (for some reason each sentence has to hit the margins, so there will often be three word sentences with a giant space in between each word, it seemed unreadable at first but I've gotten used to it). And after their last update, it got stuck in night mode permanently.

But it still feels better than using Amazon.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 21:11 (three months ago) link

Ordered a new kobo Clara from the kobo store - it's not like I've been spending money on anything other than food lately. 7 to 10 days, it says, but 3 days later no tracking email yet. Could've ordered from Argos and picked it up the next day but lazy (also pandemic).

koogs, Saturday, 25 July 2020 15:55 (three months ago) link

(minis on eBay are going for the same price I paid for mine 7 years ago)

koogs, Saturday, 25 July 2020 15:56 (three months ago) link

clara has arrived. it's not that much bigger physically but the bevels are smaller so the reading area is larger by about an inch in height and half an inch in width. thinner too, and noticeably faster than the 8 year old mini. mini feels chunky and clunky already.

maybe it's time to organise all my ebooks. i want to fix shit like this, where the name of the book displays as, for example:

"Rosewater: Book 1 of the Wormwood Trilogy, Winner of the Nommo Award for Best Novel"

i guess that means using calibre and metadata editing 400 odd books. 8(

happily, the clara does a good job of upscaling the old 600x800 images i've been using for the mini. the new aspect ratio is odd, 1448 x 1072, or 1:1.35 ish, but that's close enough to 3:4

koogs, Saturday, 1 August 2020 13:12 (two months ago) link

Still on the Mini. Still no one has done a newer one that size?

Found a liquidator on eBay selling the old, official clip light. Pretty much set for life now.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:06 (two months ago) link

A modern mini would be sweet (says everybody who has a mini, unfortunately kobo don't seem to agree). The closest I've found is this

https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/hisense-a5-e-ink-smartphone-review

Which is a 5" phone-format e-ink reader. Actually it IS a phone with an e-ink screen so it does too much and also costs too much. Phone screen looks slightly too narrow as well, but the resolution bump might mean you're still seeing same words per line as a mini.

koogs, Sunday, 2 August 2020 01:56 (two months ago) link

Embraced calibre as organisation tool for the new kobo yesterday too. If I do no side loading except via calibre then I should be ok. The send to device thing knows what's on the device and what isn't unless you start renaming things. But it only seems to be using the filename so doesn't know that the device version is out of date if you, say, change the metadata or the cover.

koogs, Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:02 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

I've been trying to resolve an issue with Kindle Direct Publishing (they won't ship discounted author copies to Canada because of the pandemic--they will, of course, ship copies bought at full price from the exact same location, about 90 minutes from where I live). From their latest response:

"we are fully aware of this situation and I assure you that is not a situation that can't be forgotten"

I'm sure the double-negative is unintentional and not a sly middle-finger.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 15:22 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

two hours getting adobe digital editions onto laptop so i can move away from amazon (the kobo epub shop often echoes the amazon daily and monthly deals, but not always). turns out that stupid windows clock was an hour out because of BST and that was enough to stop registation... (if i'd've left it 8 days it would've worked flawlessly)

koogs, Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:40 (two weeks ago) link

first non-amazon ebook purchased and downloaded. it's a faff, twice the faff of amazon. and the formatting inside is terrible, which the amazon preview isn't. all the words are there but paragraphs have a line between them and aren't indented, so conversations run at about 50 words per page.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 12:38 (one week ago) link

I usually click on 'buy' and then 'confirm', maybe that's twice the faff of the famed amazon one-click... honestly can't remember the last time I had a formatting issue in the kobo. Persevere!

neith moon (ledge), Monday, 19 October 2020 13:16 (one week ago) link

i'm not loading them directly into kobo, am downloading the ascm(?) link, opening that in adobe whatever to 'fulfil' (download) the actual book, importing that into calibre, and copying that to kobo*.

(* via an sd card, rebooting into linux because none of the above works there, loading said book into linux calibre with all the others, and sending to device, after checking cover image and metdata)

um, was going to say there's probably an option on the convert, but i don't have to convert to epub because it's already an epub.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 13:32 (one week ago) link

(it's autumn by ali smith, 99p today only, if you feel like experimenting. it's well reviewed by ilx and features pauline boty)

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 13:34 (one week ago) link

oh i see (sort of). i never actually look at the kobo store deals, maybe i should. then i could Save on steamy romance with Buy One Get One Free.

xp - that's 99p in the kobo store too!

neith moon (ledge), Monday, 19 October 2020 13:36 (one week ago) link

i got it from the kobo store! as part of the moving away from kindle daily deals. that was the whole point of the exercise! it's native epub and looks worse than the things i convert.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 13:46 (one week ago) link

where else is good for buying epubs?

(kobo store does tend to mirror amz deals, but not all of them)

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 13:47 (one week ago) link

epubs work a lot better on Kobo when converted to "kepub"... there's a way to do it in Calibre automatically when transferring to a Kobo. Makes footnotes and everything work a lot smoother.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:12 (one week ago) link

kepubs are a step towards a proprietary format though, which is what i'm trying to get away from.

oddly Autumn looks fine in desktop viewer and i've looked at the source and it's all marked up ok, it's just the clara that doesn't like it. it mangles the chapter title pages as well, displaying it like the page is half the size it should be. curious.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 17:38 (one week ago) link


Validating against EPUB version 3.0
ERROR: autumn.epub/OPS/nav.xhtml: This file should declare in opf the property: scripted
ERROR: autumn.epub/OPS/nav.xhtml(7,90): 'js/kobo.js': referenced resource missing in the package.

there's a missing file, which seems to be enough to cause it to skip the stylesheet on some readers. it's ok on most things i've tried it on, just not the mini or the clara.

i converted it from epub to epub in calibre and that's cleared it up.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 19:45 (one week ago) link

You seem to go to a lot of effort to avoid proprietary file formats of 99p books.

I mean fair play to you but this is why the rest of us go for the lazy option of letting Bezos own the planet.

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Monday, 19 October 2020 19:48 (one week ago) link

I'm still not sure why you're not just buying on the kobo, is it to strip drm?

neith moon (ledge), Monday, 19 October 2020 19:56 (one week ago) link

partly (was necessary when converting from kindle books, not so much from now, although i do, because multiple devices / backups). but i don't like syncing my kobo and having them know everything i'm reading (the aforementioned dedrm-ed books, the acres of gutenberg texts), all my bookmarks etc

(my mini wasn't even registered with them initially - i poked a random user id into the sqlite database manually because the registration software only worked with windows)

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 20:15 (one week ago) link

i do mess with bought books quite a bit, making them more convenient. anna karenina got cut into 8 parts for instance. pretty much everything gets a cover cropped to the correct aspect ratio. les mis(?) had 60 pages of contents because each page of footnotes had it's own entry! and i figure all this is breaking some rule or other.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 20:20 (one week ago) link

I’ve bought a bunch of epubs direct from publishers and, depending on how much I care, dump them in either the Kindle app or, more typically, just use my iPad’s default which is just called “Books” now.

My local library has digital lending and the best all-in-one for searching/borrowing/reading is an app called Libby

mh, Monday, 19 October 2020 20:24 (one week ago) link

I've been buying from the Kobo store and reading on the Kobo android app. The formatting kinda sucks compared to the Kindle app, but I've gotten used to it, and it's worth it to be fully off Amazon for me.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 19 October 2020 20:27 (one week ago) link

Having set all that up I saw something I wanted on Amazon daily deals today and just reflexively hit 'buy now' without checking non-Amazon sources first.

koogs, Sunday, 25 October 2020 08:07 (six days ago) link


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