Amazon Kindle (ebook thingy)

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I don't see any thread about this - looks interesting?

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/amazon-kindle-live/amazon-kindle-e+book-reader-launch-live-324292.php

Or see Amazon's front page.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

Interesting, yes, but I'm not feeling overwhelmed quite yet.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

Email your Word documents and pictures (.JPG, .GIF, .BMP, .PNG) to Kindle for easy on-the-go viewing.

No PDFs, though?

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

OK, no PDFs. I would have been pretty interested if it had had PDF capability, but I have no interest without that, sadly.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

Wikipedia is the "best encylcopedia in the world"

Yeah i stopped reading after this blatant sentence of death

Ste, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

I thought that was the name of Julian Cope's Krautrock book and webpage.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, I guess that typo is only on our side.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

is there anyway of changing that screen colour? black text on grey - ew

Ste, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

I helped design the hardware! I don't think I can answer any questions yet, but it's an exciting day for us out here in Cupertino.

schwantz, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

Apple plots! Trickery! Or not.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

hard to disagree

DG, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

Watch the vids

schwantz, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

OMG it has a bookmark function???????????????????

DG, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

engadget claims PDF support, so now I'm confused. Essentially if I could fill this with math papers it would be awesome, but not otherwise.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

anywhere-in-the-world access to wikipedia, in something the size of a paperback, sounds pretty awesome. i read a bunch of ebooks on a monochrome unbacklit palm, back in the day, and it was surprisingly pleasant (esp in comparison to later colour/backlit vsns, or reading off a computer screen). i think this is pretty awesome. still - the industrial design on it looks pretty awful.

sean gramophone, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

Holy shit did this thing get designed by Tomy in 1988?

stet, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

2.5 out of 5 is the average rating from 140 customers...
doesnt look promising.
the price is too high,it has a light problem and it's ugly: "electronic paper that Japanese were working on was only a thin sheet of artificial electronic paper A4 format which you can roll into a pocket"

Zeno, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

no pdfs no credibility </lazy zing>

plus you have to pay to read stuff you already... own?? I have problems enough paying for that stuff in the first place

sony e-reader looks hella better and that was lame in the first place

boo amazon

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, amazon is one of the better web1.0 (yeah, whatevers) companies when it comes to, you know, like, having a fkn clue, but this flys directly in the face of any clue they have

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

2.5 out of 5 is the average rating from 140 customers...
doesnt look promising.
the price is too high,it has a light problem and it's ugly: "electronic paper that Japanese were working on was only a thin sheet of artificial electronic paper A4 format which you can roll into a pocket"

-- Zeno, Monday, November 19, 2007 10:09 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

didn't it come out like... today? dont know if i'd take those reviews too seriously

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

huh. i'll check it out in 3 yrs when it's cheap and usable.

Jordan, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

report back!

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

ok!

Jordan, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, 'bump' pls

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

"dont know if i'd take those reviews too seriously"
the reviews are written by testers of the product.
(unless they are liars)

Zeno, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

unheard of!

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

I know that link to the Newsweek cover already mentioned it, but wtf... this failed miserably a decade ago.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

This looks... less than usable. Sigh.

Casuistry, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:22 (twelve years ago) link

Shockingly ugly - and way too expensive to boot. The only way something like this could possibly take off is if it was free, maybe with some kind of reasonable subscription package - say, "twenty dollars a month for five books & we will throw in this ugly clunky device for FREE."

Jeff LeVine, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I could definitely see this coming in handy--there are many occasions when I'll be working on something and I need a certain book; it would be awesome to be able to get it right away. But I'm not gonna pay four hundred dollars for it. I mean, it's a book! I'll just go out and buy it if I really need it.

G00blar, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:51 (twelve years ago) link

But I'm not gonna pay four hundred dollars for it. I mean, it's a book! I'll just go out and buy it if I really need it.

-- G00blar, Monday, November 19, 2007 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I don't think their initial target market is ILX. I'm sure if I'll ever take a business trip again I'll see some guys with these on the plane.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.smallsurfaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/segway.jpg

omar little, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

I saw somebody recently using one of those professionally recently, in an airport or a big store, I think.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

nice to see the whole internet thinks this kindle thing sucks :D

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah - everyone who hasn't actually used one.

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ he made it, kids

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

(which I mentioned at the top of the thread)

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

what, you want a medal?

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

Sheesh. Jerk.

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

sorry :( i guess you don't need any more hassle :(

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

wow what a dick!

jeff, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

that's what all my ladies say

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

I'd love to talk about cool lesser-known features and correct some assumptions and misconceptions about the device, but we've been specifically instructed not to do so. So for now, I'll just let it go... Sorry about the jerk comment...

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

The quotes in The Guardian article are kind of funny...

Amazon's chief executive Jeff Bezos... "Books have stubbornly resisted digitisation. I think there's a very good reason for that, and that is the book is so highly evolved and so suited to its task that it's very hard to displace."

Philip Makinson, of Greenwich Consulting... "Do not get me wrong, it's a very nice bit of kit but what need is it fulfilling? Books are quite portable, cheap and universally available already."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/20/amazon.news?gusrc=rss&feed=10

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

Why the fuck would anyone pay £195 for this? Reading it is never going to be as comfortable an experience as reading a book, so much isn't going to be easily or legally available and, y'know, it costs more than an iPod and not much less than an iPhone on contract. Not saying they do the same thing, but yeah, perspective.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

i feel sorry for that schwantz guy now :(

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

only possible appeal of this (or any equivalent) is not having to lift boxes and boxes of books when moving.

Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

but when i fall asleep reading and the book inevitably falls off/behind the bed, i would be pretty mad if that book cost $200

Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

I'd love to get one but the $400 is pretty steep.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

I thought last night about all the Library of America editions I could line a shelf with using the same $400.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

Clara seems like a Paperwhite+ with some added smart-backlighting and I still don't understand what the point of HD ink is. Will probably end up bidding for a 2nd hand one when the price starts dropping.

calzino, Monday, 14 January 2019 12:54 (one year ago) link

oh, they were £30 or £40 cheaper over christmas, hence my interest. not so bothered now.

i can just about see the pixels on my mini at 600x800, especially before a page refresh. the clara's 1072x1448 will be a lot crisper. the antialiasing helps a lot though and it doesn't look any worse than the text you get in typeset books.

koogs, Monday, 14 January 2019 13:09 (one year ago) link

does it help it render PDFs any better than lower resolution e-inks?

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 14 January 2019 15:06 (one year ago) link

the only pdfs i use on my kobo are cross-stitch patterns which are tiny but still readable scaled down (up?) to 600x800.

but theoretically, yes.

koogs, Monday, 14 January 2019 15:26 (one year ago) link

whispersync would be a genius feature if it fucking worked

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 09:22 (one year ago) link

reading comics on the kindle app on a tablet is A/A+, almost as good as actual paper comics. a decade ago I read 300+ Amazing Spider-Man issues on a CBR program on a PC and it was a far worse experience.

adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 09:30 (one year ago) link

Mandatory software update for my kobo mini, without which something bad but unspecified will happen after Feb 28th, I think they are dropping support. It has lost my place in all those unfinished books.

Not entirely sure why I bothered given that I never buy books from them and only have one device so syncing between devices isn't important.

koogs, Saturday, 2 February 2019 12:00 (one year ago) link

All the pages look slightly wrong too, like the fonts have changed, or the spacing, or something.

koogs, Saturday, 2 February 2019 12:02 (one year ago) link

huh? what's going to happen? I keep my old Kobo offline. I have a feeling my last one somehow died due to constant syncing with Pocket, crap getting corrupted

maffew12, Saturday, 2 February 2019 19:14 (one year ago) link

nobody knows. you should have an email telling you it'll happen. it's only the minis and a few older machines.

best guess is here: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3805344&postcount=14

basically without the update any factory reset after the date will fail because it'll try to use to outdated and soon to be disabled security protocols.

at least the kobos are easy to back up. and, if push comes to shove, you can take out the sd card containing the operating system and reinstall it that way.

koogs, Saturday, 2 February 2019 21:19 (one year ago) link

I wonder if it introduces an update that stops de-DRMing with Calibre, the way the recent Kindle updates seem to.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 3 February 2019 08:38 (one year ago) link

if that happens I'd recommend giving Epubor a try.

calzino, Sunday, 3 February 2019 08:48 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

the Kobo Clara is down to £80 again at the moment. tempting... (love my mini but it has no backlight)

koogs, Saturday, 14 December 2019 19:21 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

not Kindle-specific but adding foreign language reviews of things on Amazon is kind of pointless. it's bad enough they mix reviews of different editions together...

koogs, Sunday, 5 January 2020 03:56 (seven months ago) link

There's a decent selection of non-fiction on sale today. I bought "Fooled By Randomness" and "Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire".

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 5 January 2020 17:54 (seven months ago) link

I've been using my eReader a lot lately as I tackle a number of books with 500+ pages, tempted by the newer waterproof Kobo models but frankly my ancient Nook with backlight is doing just fine so. That Kobo Aura One limited edition though...

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 5 January 2020 18:08 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Amazon appears to be tracking every tap on Kindle. I just got my data back and there are 90K rows of this pic.twitter.com/wVCSXCTVwv

— Adrianne Jeffries (@adrjeffries) January 28, 2020

https://onezero.medium.com/kindle-hackers-are-disabling-tracking-and-ads-d00d1ad804b0

j., Wednesday, 29 January 2020 07:59 (six months ago) link

after a few months my paperwhite stopped displaying ads as a screensaver. I took it out of aeroplane mode for 2 minutes and am stuck with ads again. I don't particularly want to play Zork but I'm going to jailbreak this fucker if it is the last thing I ever do.

calzino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 08:24 (six months ago) link

that last firmware update (5.12.3) is fatally unjailbreakable atm :(

calzino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 08:37 (six months ago) link

Mine's been in airplane mode for about 3 years now

groovypanda, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 08:42 (six months ago) link

that's the only way to do it. I got a message to turn it off because of some japanese content and it sneaked the latest firmware onto me - fucking scum of the earth amazon!

calzino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 08:51 (six months ago) link

wtf at the odd little to-and-fro between kindle designer and ilxor near the beginning of this thread.

Ste, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 12:00 (six months ago) link

I paid the twenty bucks to not have ads and I don’t regret it

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 12:07 (six months ago) link

My kindle died last summer and I replaced it with a Kobo (mostly because this allows me to borrow books from libraries here in Canada) and I have to stay I am very happy with it and seeing stuff like the tweet above just confirms that I made the right decision

silverfish, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:58 (six months ago) link

Haven't designed any Kindles in a long time, and changed my DN a few years ago, but I'm still around. That back-and-forth was a real bummer at the time though. I was all excited about something I worked on and it felt bad to get shit on over it. Usually I just get ignored!

DJI, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:09 (six months ago) link

Hmm, really going to have to look into the Kobo app/store as a replacement for my Kindle app (which I hate myself for loving)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:33 (six months ago) link

irrefutable

Trump attorney Alan Dershowitz: "If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment." https://t.co/jKErQcS1Iy pic.twitter.com/zo4rL6Zbla

— ABC News (@ABC) January 29, 2020

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:36 (six months ago) link

oops wrong thred

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:37 (six months ago) link

Once my Nooks stop working I'm going for a Kobo, I'm mostly annoyed that I can't customize my wallpapers anymore.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:57 (six months ago) link

I still don't understand why Amazon don't let you do that on the Kindle.

If the option was to have adverts or pay the extra to remove them AND have the ability to change your screensavers, imagine more people would pay the extra. Seems ridiculous that the only way to do it is to jailbreak your Kindle (if you can)

groovypanda, Thursday, 30 January 2020 07:54 (six months ago) link

guess the principle of customer obsession only goes so far after all

j., Thursday, 30 January 2020 08:51 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

idk how much longer it's on for but a whole bunch of Fitzcarraldo Editions books are £2.63 on the Kindle store at the moment.

ShariVari, Monday, 6 April 2020 08:49 (four months ago) link

sorry if this was addressed--couldn't find it on this thread through cmd+f: what are amazonclassics editions? what does "includes editorial revisions" mean? seem to usually be public domain books, i think. i'm wondering if they are abridged in any way.

forensic plumber (harbl), Monday, 6 April 2020 15:46 (four months ago) link

A bunch of those were made available for free during lockdown recently, but it's not obvious what the revisions are. Easy enough to find out though - compare them against Gutenberg versions. (not easy easy, but possible - convert to epub, strip out all the tags, diff)

koogs, Monday, 6 April 2020 16:13 (four months ago) link

But my guess is that Amazon were fed up of the 10,000 other cheap versions of each, figured they'd muscle in.

koogs, Monday, 6 April 2020 16:14 (four months ago) link

The cheap Fitzcarraldo editions seems to have been a mistake as they're twice the price today. I bought Axiomatic.

wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 21:54 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

Most of them are £3.95 now

What fash heil is this? (wins), Monday, 25 May 2020 09:07 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

new Kobo

https://www.wired.com/review/kobo-nia/

the words don't really match the 5/10 score.

it's £20 less than the clara HD. still not the 5" thing that would tempt me to ditch my mini though.

koogs, Friday, 17 July 2020 08:22 (three weeks ago) link

"Battery life is only OK"

i need to charge mine for like an hour a month. how is that a burdon?

koogs, Friday, 17 July 2020 08:23 (three weeks ago) link

Bluetooth, no audiobooks, and not waterproof. Typing is so slow that I thought about starting a meditation app while I waited for it to load.

don't know why i would want bluetooth, if i listened to audiobooks i would use my phone. slow typing sounds like it would be a pain... for the less than 5 characters a day on average i type when buying books.

neith moon (ledge), Friday, 17 July 2020 08:40 (three weeks ago) link

I have a Kindle but spend a lot of time converting bootl3g epubs on calibre, Usually just a digital version of the paper that I’m reading at the time, so I can read it in the dark when my daughter’s sleeping, so it’s tempting to just buy a Kobo so I can skip Amazon entirely

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:22 (three weeks ago) link

That’ll teach me to dictate a post on Siri

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:23 (three weeks ago) link

Gah. Sometime in the last hour and somewhere in the 10ft between the sofa and the bed my kobo has developed a letter sized blob in the screen, about 90% down and central. Time to upgrade? Time to scour eBay?

koogs, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:57 (three weeks ago) link

I'm tempted. I've switched over to the Kobo app recently...the formatting is annoying (for some reason each sentence has to hit the margins, so there will often be three word sentences with a giant space in between each word, it seemed unreadable at first but I've gotten used to it). And after their last update, it got stuck in night mode permanently.

But it still feels better than using Amazon.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 21:11 (three weeks ago) link

Ordered a new kobo Clara from the kobo store - it's not like I've been spending money on anything other than food lately. 7 to 10 days, it says, but 3 days later no tracking email yet. Could've ordered from Argos and picked it up the next day but lazy (also pandemic).

koogs, Saturday, 25 July 2020 15:55 (two weeks ago) link

(minis on eBay are going for the same price I paid for mine 7 years ago)

koogs, Saturday, 25 July 2020 15:56 (two weeks ago) link

clara has arrived. it's not that much bigger physically but the bevels are smaller so the reading area is larger by about an inch in height and half an inch in width. thinner too, and noticeably faster than the 8 year old mini. mini feels chunky and clunky already.

maybe it's time to organise all my ebooks. i want to fix shit like this, where the name of the book displays as, for example:

"Rosewater: Book 1 of the Wormwood Trilogy, Winner of the Nommo Award for Best Novel"

i guess that means using calibre and metadata editing 400 odd books. 8(

happily, the clara does a good job of upscaling the old 600x800 images i've been using for the mini. the new aspect ratio is odd, 1448 x 1072, or 1:1.35 ish, but that's close enough to 3:4

koogs, Saturday, 1 August 2020 13:12 (one week ago) link

Still on the Mini. Still no one has done a newer one that size?

Found a liquidator on eBay selling the old, official clip light. Pretty much set for life now.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:06 (one week ago) link

A modern mini would be sweet (says everybody who has a mini, unfortunately kobo don't seem to agree). The closest I've found is this

https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/hisense-a5-e-ink-smartphone-review

Which is a 5" phone-format e-ink reader. Actually it IS a phone with an e-ink screen so it does too much and also costs too much. Phone screen looks slightly too narrow as well, but the resolution bump might mean you're still seeing same words per line as a mini.

koogs, Sunday, 2 August 2020 01:56 (one week ago) link

Embraced calibre as organisation tool for the new kobo yesterday too. If I do no side loading except via calibre then I should be ok. The send to device thing knows what's on the device and what isn't unless you start renaming things. But it only seems to be using the filename so doesn't know that the device version is out of date if you, say, change the metadata or the cover.

koogs, Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:02 (one week ago) link


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