Amazon Kindle (ebook thingy)

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I don't see any thread about this - looks interesting?

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/amazon-kindle-live/amazon-kindle-e+book-reader-launch-live-324292.php

Or see Amazon's front page.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Interesting, yes, but I'm not feeling overwhelmed quite yet.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Email your Word documents and pictures (.JPG, .GIF, .BMP, .PNG) to Kindle for easy on-the-go viewing.

No PDFs, though?

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

OK, no PDFs. I would have been pretty interested if it had had PDF capability, but I have no interest without that, sadly.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Wikipedia is the "best encylcopedia in the world"

Yeah i stopped reading after this blatant sentence of death

Ste, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I thought that was the name of Julian Cope's Krautrock book and webpage.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, I guess that typo is only on our side.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link

is there anyway of changing that screen colour? black text on grey - ew

Ste, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I helped design the hardware! I don't think I can answer any questions yet, but it's an exciting day for us out here in Cupertino.

schwantz, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Apple plots! Trickery! Or not.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

hard to disagree

DG, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Watch the vids

schwantz, Monday, 19 November 2007 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link

OMG it has a bookmark function???????????????????

DG, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link

engadget claims PDF support, so now I'm confused. Essentially if I could fill this with math papers it would be awesome, but not otherwise.

toby, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link

anywhere-in-the-world access to wikipedia, in something the size of a paperback, sounds pretty awesome. i read a bunch of ebooks on a monochrome unbacklit palm, back in the day, and it was surprisingly pleasant (esp in comparison to later colour/backlit vsns, or reading off a computer screen). i think this is pretty awesome. still - the industrial design on it looks pretty awful.

sean gramophone, Monday, 19 November 2007 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Holy shit did this thing get designed by Tomy in 1988?

stet, Monday, 19 November 2007 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link

2.5 out of 5 is the average rating from 140 customers...
doesnt look promising.
the price is too high,it has a light problem and it's ugly: "electronic paper that Japanese were working on was only a thin sheet of artificial electronic paper A4 format which you can roll into a pocket"

Zeno, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link

no pdfs no credibility </lazy zing>

plus you have to pay to read stuff you already... own?? I have problems enough paying for that stuff in the first place

sony e-reader looks hella better and that was lame in the first place

boo amazon

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, amazon is one of the better web1.0 (yeah, whatevers) companies when it comes to, you know, like, having a fkn clue, but this flys directly in the face of any clue they have

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link

2.5 out of 5 is the average rating from 140 customers...
doesnt look promising.
the price is too high,it has a light problem and it's ugly: "electronic paper that Japanese were working on was only a thin sheet of artificial electronic paper A4 format which you can roll into a pocket"

-- Zeno, Monday, November 19, 2007 10:09 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

didn't it come out like... today? dont know if i'd take those reviews too seriously

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link

huh. i'll check it out in 3 yrs when it's cheap and usable.

Jordan, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link

report back!

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

ok!

Jordan, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, 'bump' pls

czn, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link

"dont know if i'd take those reviews too seriously"
the reviews are written by testers of the product.
(unless they are liars)

Zeno, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link

unheard of!

s1ocki, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I know that link to the Newsweek cover already mentioned it, but wtf... this failed miserably a decade ago.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link

This looks... less than usable. Sigh.

Casuistry, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Shockingly ugly - and way too expensive to boot. The only way something like this could possibly take off is if it was free, maybe with some kind of reasonable subscription package - say, "twenty dollars a month for five books & we will throw in this ugly clunky device for FREE."

Jeff LeVine, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I could definitely see this coming in handy--there are many occasions when I'll be working on something and I need a certain book; it would be awesome to be able to get it right away. But I'm not gonna pay four hundred dollars for it. I mean, it's a book! I'll just go out and buy it if I really need it.

G00blar, Monday, 19 November 2007 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link

But I'm not gonna pay four hundred dollars for it. I mean, it's a book! I'll just go out and buy it if I really need it.

-- G00blar, Monday, November 19, 2007 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I don't think their initial target market is ILX. I'm sure if I'll ever take a business trip again I'll see some guys with these on the plane.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.smallsurfaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/segway.jpg

omar little, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I saw somebody recently using one of those professionally recently, in an airport or a big store, I think.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

nice to see the whole internet thinks this kindle thing sucks :D

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah - everyone who hasn't actually used one.

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^ he made it, kids

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

(which I mentioned at the top of the thread)

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

what, you want a medal?

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Sheesh. Jerk.

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link

sorry :( i guess you don't need any more hassle :(

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

wow what a dick!

jeff, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

that's what all my ladies say

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd love to talk about cool lesser-known features and correct some assumptions and misconceptions about the device, but we've been specifically instructed not to do so. So for now, I'll just let it go... Sorry about the jerk comment...

schwantz, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link

The quotes in The Guardian article are kind of funny...

Amazon's chief executive Jeff Bezos... "Books have stubbornly resisted digitisation. I think there's a very good reason for that, and that is the book is so highly evolved and so suited to its task that it's very hard to displace."

Philip Makinson, of Greenwich Consulting... "Do not get me wrong, it's a very nice bit of kit but what need is it fulfilling? Books are quite portable, cheap and universally available already."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/20/amazon.news?gusrc=rss&feed=10

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Why the fuck would anyone pay £195 for this? Reading it is never going to be as comfortable an experience as reading a book, so much isn't going to be easily or legally available and, y'know, it costs more than an iPod and not much less than an iPhone on contract. Not saying they do the same thing, but yeah, perspective.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link

i feel sorry for that schwantz guy now :(

DG, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

only possible appeal of this (or any equivalent) is not having to lift boxes and boxes of books when moving.

Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link

but when i fall asleep reading and the book inevitably falls off/behind the bed, i would be pretty mad if that book cost $200

Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd love to get one but the $400 is pretty steep.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I thought last night about all the Library of America editions I could line a shelf with using the same $400.

calstars, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Most of them are £3.95 now

What fash heil is this? (wins), Monday, 25 May 2020 09:07 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

new Kobo

https://www.wired.com/review/kobo-nia/

the words don't really match the 5/10 score.

it's £20 less than the clara HD. still not the 5" thing that would tempt me to ditch my mini though.

koogs, Friday, 17 July 2020 08:22 (nine months ago) link

"Battery life is only OK"

i need to charge mine for like an hour a month. how is that a burdon?

koogs, Friday, 17 July 2020 08:23 (nine months ago) link

Bluetooth, no audiobooks, and not waterproof. Typing is so slow that I thought about starting a meditation app while I waited for it to load.

don't know why i would want bluetooth, if i listened to audiobooks i would use my phone. slow typing sounds like it would be a pain... for the less than 5 characters a day on average i type when buying books.

neith moon (ledge), Friday, 17 July 2020 08:40 (nine months ago) link

I have a Kindle but spend a lot of time converting bootl3g epubs on calibre, Usually just a digital version of the paper that I’m reading at the time, so I can read it in the dark when my daughter’s sleeping, so it’s tempting to just buy a Kobo so I can skip Amazon entirely

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:22 (nine months ago) link

That’ll teach me to dictate a post on Siri

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:23 (nine months ago) link

Gah. Sometime in the last hour and somewhere in the 10ft between the sofa and the bed my kobo has developed a letter sized blob in the screen, about 90% down and central. Time to upgrade? Time to scour eBay?

koogs, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:57 (eight months ago) link

I'm tempted. I've switched over to the Kobo app recently...the formatting is annoying (for some reason each sentence has to hit the margins, so there will often be three word sentences with a giant space in between each word, it seemed unreadable at first but I've gotten used to it). And after their last update, it got stuck in night mode permanently.

But it still feels better than using Amazon.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 21:11 (eight months ago) link

Ordered a new kobo Clara from the kobo store - it's not like I've been spending money on anything other than food lately. 7 to 10 days, it says, but 3 days later no tracking email yet. Could've ordered from Argos and picked it up the next day but lazy (also pandemic).

koogs, Saturday, 25 July 2020 15:55 (eight months ago) link

(minis on eBay are going for the same price I paid for mine 7 years ago)

koogs, Saturday, 25 July 2020 15:56 (eight months ago) link

clara has arrived. it's not that much bigger physically but the bevels are smaller so the reading area is larger by about an inch in height and half an inch in width. thinner too, and noticeably faster than the 8 year old mini. mini feels chunky and clunky already.

maybe it's time to organise all my ebooks. i want to fix shit like this, where the name of the book displays as, for example:

"Rosewater: Book 1 of the Wormwood Trilogy, Winner of the Nommo Award for Best Novel"

i guess that means using calibre and metadata editing 400 odd books. 8(

happily, the clara does a good job of upscaling the old 600x800 images i've been using for the mini. the new aspect ratio is odd, 1448 x 1072, or 1:1.35 ish, but that's close enough to 3:4

koogs, Saturday, 1 August 2020 13:12 (eight months ago) link

Still on the Mini. Still no one has done a newer one that size?

Found a liquidator on eBay selling the old, official clip light. Pretty much set for life now.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:06 (eight months ago) link

A modern mini would be sweet (says everybody who has a mini, unfortunately kobo don't seem to agree). The closest I've found is this

https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/hisense-a5-e-ink-smartphone-review

Which is a 5" phone-format e-ink reader. Actually it IS a phone with an e-ink screen so it does too much and also costs too much. Phone screen looks slightly too narrow as well, but the resolution bump might mean you're still seeing same words per line as a mini.

koogs, Sunday, 2 August 2020 01:56 (eight months ago) link

Embraced calibre as organisation tool for the new kobo yesterday too. If I do no side loading except via calibre then I should be ok. The send to device thing knows what's on the device and what isn't unless you start renaming things. But it only seems to be using the filename so doesn't know that the device version is out of date if you, say, change the metadata or the cover.

koogs, Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:02 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

I've been trying to resolve an issue with Kindle Direct Publishing (they won't ship discounted author copies to Canada because of the pandemic--they will, of course, ship copies bought at full price from the exact same location, about 90 minutes from where I live). From their latest response:

"we are fully aware of this situation and I assure you that is not a situation that can't be forgotten"

I'm sure the double-negative is unintentional and not a sly middle-finger.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 September 2020 15:22 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

two hours getting adobe digital editions onto laptop so i can move away from amazon (the kobo epub shop often echoes the amazon daily and monthly deals, but not always). turns out that stupid windows clock was an hour out because of BST and that was enough to stop registation... (if i'd've left it 8 days it would've worked flawlessly)

koogs, Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:40 (six months ago) link

first non-amazon ebook purchased and downloaded. it's a faff, twice the faff of amazon. and the formatting inside is terrible, which the amazon preview isn't. all the words are there but paragraphs have a line between them and aren't indented, so conversations run at about 50 words per page.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 12:38 (five months ago) link

I usually click on 'buy' and then 'confirm', maybe that's twice the faff of the famed amazon one-click... honestly can't remember the last time I had a formatting issue in the kobo. Persevere!

neith moon (ledge), Monday, 19 October 2020 13:16 (five months ago) link

i'm not loading them directly into kobo, am downloading the ascm(?) link, opening that in adobe whatever to 'fulfil' (download) the actual book, importing that into calibre, and copying that to kobo*.

(* via an sd card, rebooting into linux because none of the above works there, loading said book into linux calibre with all the others, and sending to device, after checking cover image and metdata)

um, was going to say there's probably an option on the convert, but i don't have to convert to epub because it's already an epub.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 13:32 (five months ago) link

(it's autumn by ali smith, 99p today only, if you feel like experimenting. it's well reviewed by ilx and features pauline boty)

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 13:34 (five months ago) link

oh i see (sort of). i never actually look at the kobo store deals, maybe i should. then i could Save on steamy romance with Buy One Get One Free.

xp - that's 99p in the kobo store too!

neith moon (ledge), Monday, 19 October 2020 13:36 (five months ago) link

i got it from the kobo store! as part of the moving away from kindle daily deals. that was the whole point of the exercise! it's native epub and looks worse than the things i convert.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 13:46 (five months ago) link

where else is good for buying epubs?

(kobo store does tend to mirror amz deals, but not all of them)

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 13:47 (five months ago) link

epubs work a lot better on Kobo when converted to "kepub"... there's a way to do it in Calibre automatically when transferring to a Kobo. Makes footnotes and everything work a lot smoother.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:12 (five months ago) link

kepubs are a step towards a proprietary format though, which is what i'm trying to get away from.

oddly Autumn looks fine in desktop viewer and i've looked at the source and it's all marked up ok, it's just the clara that doesn't like it. it mangles the chapter title pages as well, displaying it like the page is half the size it should be. curious.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 17:38 (five months ago) link


Validating against EPUB version 3.0
ERROR: autumn.epub/OPS/nav.xhtml: This file should declare in opf the property: scripted
ERROR: autumn.epub/OPS/nav.xhtml(7,90): 'js/kobo.js': referenced resource missing in the package.

there's a missing file, which seems to be enough to cause it to skip the stylesheet on some readers. it's ok on most things i've tried it on, just not the mini or the clara.

i converted it from epub to epub in calibre and that's cleared it up.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 19:45 (five months ago) link

You seem to go to a lot of effort to avoid proprietary file formats of 99p books.

I mean fair play to you but this is why the rest of us go for the lazy option of letting Bezos own the planet.

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Monday, 19 October 2020 19:48 (five months ago) link

I'm still not sure why you're not just buying on the kobo, is it to strip drm?

neith moon (ledge), Monday, 19 October 2020 19:56 (five months ago) link

partly (was necessary when converting from kindle books, not so much from now, although i do, because multiple devices / backups). but i don't like syncing my kobo and having them know everything i'm reading (the aforementioned dedrm-ed books, the acres of gutenberg texts), all my bookmarks etc

(my mini wasn't even registered with them initially - i poked a random user id into the sqlite database manually because the registration software only worked with windows)

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 20:15 (five months ago) link

i do mess with bought books quite a bit, making them more convenient. anna karenina got cut into 8 parts for instance. pretty much everything gets a cover cropped to the correct aspect ratio. les mis(?) had 60 pages of contents because each page of footnotes had it's own entry! and i figure all this is breaking some rule or other.

koogs, Monday, 19 October 2020 20:20 (five months ago) link

I’ve bought a bunch of epubs direct from publishers and, depending on how much I care, dump them in either the Kindle app or, more typically, just use my iPad’s default which is just called “Books” now.

My local library has digital lending and the best all-in-one for searching/borrowing/reading is an app called Libby

mh, Monday, 19 October 2020 20:24 (five months ago) link

I've been buying from the Kobo store and reading on the Kobo android app. The formatting kinda sucks compared to the Kindle app, but I've gotten used to it, and it's worth it to be fully off Amazon for me.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 19 October 2020 20:27 (five months ago) link

Having set all that up I saw something I wanted on Amazon daily deals today and just reflexively hit 'buy now' without checking non-Amazon sources first.

koogs, Sunday, 25 October 2020 08:07 (five months ago) link

Does anyone have the new, larger Oasis? I have the smaller one from 2016, now falling to pieces, and wondering whether to upgrade (or just read on my phone from now on). I only use it as a night reader when my partner's asleep. One of my hands is semi-paralysed, which is why I prefer it over the Paperwhite.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 11:34 (five months ago) link

Sneaky fucking Kindle for PC updated itself despite having updates turned off, so I had to go and find an old version online so I could keep breaking DRM with Calibre.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 22:36 (five months ago) link

I religiously keep mine in aeroplane mode now. I have made the same mistake a few times but always manage to forget how I took it back previously and spend a wasted hour or two pissing about with it again!

calzino, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 22:44 (five months ago) link

I have the new Oasis (surprise gift from a housemate as a thank you for walking the dog every day), and I have to admit it is very nice. The bigger screen makes a noticeable difference; when I'm seeing more text at a time, it just seems more like a book. And I like the warm lighting.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 4 November 2020 23:02 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Yeah i don't use my Kindle that much but I've been temppted to splash out for the top-tier model, whatever it's called, just for the larger screen. I never take my Kindle out of the house and I always found the small screen size distracting.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:40 (four months ago) link

Getting a fancy gift as a surprise from a housemate is such a sweet thing!

DJI, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 16:05 (four months ago) link

just done the usual monthly download of ebooks (requires a reboot into windows so it doesn't happen much). 3 bought from kobo, 1 from amazon, but all the kobo books have raggedy right margins 8(

koogs, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:52 (four months ago) link

turns out they are all penguins and share similar css


/*
Penguin UK Ebook CSS
DATE: 01/04/2014
version 3.00
*/

p {
text-align: left;
...

koogs, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 22:03 (four months ago) link

Oryx and Crake had a letter in it towards the end and some of the words were crossed out and looked tiny. i increased the font size and the crossed out words were still tiny. i look at the source and the crossed out words are inlined *images*. cheap ass epub.

current book has about 4 footnotes per page. but they are superscript which increases the line spacing for that line, so 4 times per page you have these horrible extra gaps between the lines of text.

koogs, Thursday, 10 December 2020 13:52 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

Items Not Yet Indexed

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 January 2021 21:55 (two months ago) link

Sometimes I have to delete all of those items from device and then re-download.

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 January 2021 21:56 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

person who normally does the Kindle daily deal page must be on holiday.

you'd think it'd be the easiest thing in the world, set a start date and a price and it would just tick over at midnight. recently it hasn't been changing until mid afternoon, yesterday's deals but with their original prices showing instead. somehow today the carousal at the top and the list at the bottom are different (9 in the top list, 6 at the bottom, 3 of which are wrong)

koogs, Sunday, 4 April 2021 14:07 (two weeks ago) link

I hate it too. I contacted amazon support about it but I got a form reply that ignored the issue.

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 4 April 2021 18:26 (two weeks ago) link

Just got an email about this. The Princess Spy.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 April 2021 02:13 (one week ago) link

Truth be told I don’t pay nearly as much attention to this as I used to because for one thing, they list a lot of stuff I am not interested in, for another I already have such a backlog of stuff purchased but unread.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:03 (one week ago) link

Seems like I passed on some Western-style literary fiction (insert scare-quotes as needed) that was about $5.99 last week and $11.99 this week.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:00 (one week ago) link

When did they start hyperlinks when book titles appear?

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 April 2021 02:17 (one week ago) link


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