So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

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baaderonixx, Thursday, 15 November 2007 14:23 (fourteen years ago) link

This is indeed a very, very weird story. Is it UK Tabloids only at this point, or are the U.S. rags following it as well?

Ben Boyerrr, Thursday, 15 November 2007 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I picked up on it in the NYT yesterday. Very weird indeed.

baaderonixx, Thursday, 15 November 2007 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

So we're allowed to admit that lust-crazed murder suspect Amanda Knox* is hot then?

*Copyright every sensationalist tabloid ever.

Matt DC, Thursday, 15 November 2007 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Best murderer since that Goth army cadet that killed Jodi Jones

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 15 November 2007 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

this 20/20 is on right now and it is fabulous

johnny crunch, Saturday, 2 February 2008 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Guede had been arrested in Wiesbaden, Germany in an Interpol operation that traced Guede when he logged into his Facebook account.

johnny crunch, Saturday, 2 February 2008 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link

amanda is no way the booze sex vamp pothead but c'mon she was so involved in this

johnny crunch, Saturday, 2 February 2008 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Radar Magazine article about how Knox is getting railroaded by the insane Italian prosecution (Who the fuck knows, obviously, but it's an interesting read):

How an American Coed was Framed for Murder

Savannah Smiles, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

i was wondering what was going on w/ this

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

That article is ridiculous, it does a fairly good job of debunking a few of the myths and arguing that Knox is being misrepresented by short stories, pictures off the internet, etc, and then undermines it with A disturbing YouTube video surfaced of Guede, apparently out of his head on some illicit substance, repeating the words, "Oh my God. I'm an extraterra." As his eyes roll back in his head the rant continues: "Oh mama, I'm a vampire, I'm Dracula. I'm gonna suck your blood."

Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

Essentially everyone should just stop all activity on the internet in case they get arrested on suspicion of a high-profile murder.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

Wiley should be OK

Seanadams Molloy (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

why doesnt the radar website work

beyonc'e (max), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

radar article is pretty convincing

beyonc'e (max), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 15:12 (twelve years ago) link

It is. Original k-k-kraaazy sex kitten story seemed too "good" to be true

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

found guilty!

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 4 December 2009 23:18 (eleven years ago) link

she got 26 years he got 25.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 4 December 2009 23:19 (eleven years ago) link

i saw it on tv but USA today is on it i guess
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-12-04-italy-knox-trial-friday_N.htm

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 4 December 2009 23:20 (eleven years ago) link

this all seems a terribly managed case...she may be guilty but god knows the entire process doesn't seem to have revealed anything that's any clearer than mud

I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 4 December 2009 23:36 (eleven years ago) link

From one of my Twitter contacts:

http://twitpic.com/s5xsu - An unintentional insight into journalists' advance preparation of news by @TelegraphNews

james cameron gargameled my boner for life (Pancakes Hackman), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:12 (eleven years ago) link

I hate this kind of shit. On BBC they have their character summary up and it ends: "And with a 26-year-sentence ahead of her, Amanda Knox will have ample time to reflect on what led her to commit murder on that fateful night."

Like just cos she's found guilty they now report her guilt as fact, after months of actually investigating facts and discussion. It just feels so anti-journalism and pro-state.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:17 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that's ridiculous. I feel like someone is going to write a really great book about this case at some point.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

Like just cos she's found guilty they now report her guilt as fact

um that is how the law works hate to break it to ya

unobtaintium (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

It's disingenuous though-- as if there hasn't been one shitstorm after another with this case? It has been one giant shitstorm.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:36 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah that is how the law works but the papers shouldn't work like that. I had to write one of those summaries and it feels skeezy as fuck, even in cases that seem clear cut.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:39 (eleven years ago) link

doesn't matter. I agree with you that this whole case seems ridiculous on the face of it, but y'know the whole point of trials and juries is to determine guilt and determine it in a decisive enough way to support punishment (which is kinda more significant than what people are allowed to say in newspapers). she went to trial. she was found guilty. by any standard, it is permissable to refer to her as having committed the crime in question.

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unobtaintium (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:40 (eleven years ago) link

I feel like I hear people referred to as having committed x crime after they've been convicted of it all the time so confused as to why this is a point of contention.

Happy at this verdict. Even if she is innocent doing cartwheels in the police station while being questioned about your flatmate's murder really deserves a custodial sentence.

Pedro Paramore (jim), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:41 (eleven years ago) link

she seems really flighty

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:42 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know the first thing about her I just know that the murder scenario described by the proseuction seems patently ridiculous and highly unlikely

unobtaintium (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:43 (eleven years ago) link

that's my thinking

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:45 (eleven years ago) link

you know, normally I'd agree with Shakey, insofar as it's not like there's a much better system than letting a conviction stand as some kind of broad consensus that someone committed a crime and you can now say that without caveat.

but really, what Ronan's quoting there is a huge leap beyond "consensus," it's like a kind of magic -- because that sentence is finding her so guilty that even in her own thoughts she's guilty and reflecting upon that guilt (despite her presumably ongoing claim of innocence).

plus it's not always as cut and dried as conviction -- as in cases where the conviction is weak or strongly contested and the consensus once again shifts back to everything being alleged (e.g., Willingham)/

either way, most places are responsible enough not to leap quite so hard on the magic of a conviction, except insofar as it allows you to say "so and so was convicted of doing X, Y, and Z."

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:45 (eleven years ago) link

The BBC articles I've just been reading are appallingly written - full of emotive language and non sequiturs. (they're attributed ones, so I take it not yours lg)

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:47 (eleven years ago) link

^^^^This; am thinking it will go to appeal and in that situ the 'go to your room and think about what you did' angle is way inappropriate. Don't think justice has been served here. Also, Knox could have been going manic in custody.

LOL last three xposts a Fed worth of OTM.

☜ no, over there (suzy), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

The BBC front page still has 'murder shrouded in mystery' as one of the sub-headlines, so I don't think they're jumping so hard. Also, it's always been the case that crimes are 'alleged' or so on, until there is a conviction, at which point media moves to assertion.

grobravara hollaglob (dowd), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:51 (eleven years ago) link

I like that Guardian article about the cultural differences. But maybe I'm prejudiced against the 'Old World Thinking'.

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:52 (eleven years ago) link

what with their negative football

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:52 (eleven years ago) link

i think what's going on here is that people don't trust the italian justice system -- better just to be out with it tbh guys.

(im unsure if it's "pro-state" to report that someone who has been convicted of murder is a murderer. iirc italy has an independent judiciary? nominally, anyway.)

history mayne, Saturday, 5 December 2009 00:59 (eleven years ago) link

as a 1/16th Italian person I am frankly shocked and appalled at the aspersions being cast on Italy's sterling legal system.

Pedro Paramore (jim), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:02 (eleven years ago) link

I know very little about all the details of the whole thing, but I personally solve some of this whole epistemological mire by just being biased and suspicious of anyone who's like "someone killed my roommate? you know what, it was probably one or the other of these African guys"

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:04 (eleven years ago) link

ok actually I take that back, my knowledge of the whole thing is too cursory to even make that joke

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:04 (eleven years ago) link

Few of the eight jurors looked at her. Six of the jurors were wearing red, white and green sashes -- the colors of Italy's flag.

O_o

ô_o (Nicole), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:28 (eleven years ago) link

^wow

johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:33 (eleven years ago) link

i know this is getting attention because of the fact that she's a decent looking caucasian American girl, but she did no herself no favors by changing her story/alibi/whereabouts a half dozen times.

vlogger working on a thinkpiece about the gastro-truck revolution (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:34 (eleven years ago) link

tru dat

omar little, Saturday, 5 December 2009 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not surprised by this verdict but I don't think this woman would have gotten a guilty sentence in the US. Maybe that says something about US courts, maybe not; there just doesn't seem to be very much actual evidence.

akm, Saturday, 5 December 2009 02:28 (eleven years ago) link

"He claimed to be listening to music on his iPod while using the facilities and thus did not hear the killer enter the house."

^sry this only happens in movies

johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 December 2009 02:34 (eleven years ago) link

the radar article about the case from a while ago is fairly convincing in its attempt at exonerating knox. either way the whole thing seems mismanaged on all sides

max, Saturday, 5 December 2009 02:45 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not surprised by this verdict but I don't think this woman would have gotten a guilty sentence in the US.

Uhhhh . . . maybe the Pretty White Girl factor would work in her favor, but lots of people in the US have been sent to prison forever on a lot flimsier evidence.

james cameron gargameled my boner for life (Pancakes Hackman), Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:35 (eleven years ago) link

interesting 2 hear the journalist on anderson cooper talk abt the prosecutor under indictment and how he had previously threatened to and accused teh reporter of accessory to murder, being a satanist, etc

johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:38 (eleven years ago) link

substance of TWU's posts otm

k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 February 2014 23:36 (seven years ago) link

Am I seeing things?

http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/albums/20190/homepage_large.49b6343b.jpg

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 13 February 2014 10:57 (seven years ago) link

No, you're right

http://www.arenbergschouwburg.be/content/dam/arenberg/Agenda/Seizoen%2013%20-%2014/Nina-Persson.jpg

StanM, Thursday, 13 February 2014 11:07 (seven years ago) link

this is good (UK only i'm afraid)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03wd39x

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 13:28 (seven years ago) link

what's it doing on BBC3 then?

the undersea world of jacques kernow (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 13:33 (seven years ago) link

It's a programme for kidz obv.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 13:36 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

court says the murder was likely not result of sex game gone wrong, but of an attempt to bully and humiliate meredith kercher, possibly after knox had stolen her rent money

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 May 2014 08:11 (seven years ago) link

"There is nothing against me and nothing very strong against Amanda," Sollecito recently told CNN. "And in my case, I really did nothing wrong, and I don't want to pay for someone else's peculiar behavior."

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/26/world/europe/italy-knox-ex-boyfriend/?hpt=bosread

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 May 2014 08:21 (seven years ago) link

The figure in the CCTV video has a very herky jerky walk, while the video of Amanda shows that she has a smooth, purposeful strut.

how's life, Thursday, 8 May 2014 12:07 (seven years ago) link

ten months pass...

Andrea Vogt
‏@andreavogt
Both raffaelle Sollecito and #amandaknox convictions have been fully overturned. Cries of joy in courtroom from sollecito's family
Rome, Lazio

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 28 March 2015 01:13 (six years ago) link

Dude

I had fully signed up to Knox and Sollecito being lying-ass liars about this somehow

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 28 March 2015 01:14 (six years ago) link

Well, they are definitely lying-ass liars, which is what has made this whole thing troubling for me, because that doesn't necessarily make them guilty of murder.

RICHARD GROWTH (fake penthouse letters mcgee), Saturday, 28 March 2015 03:11 (six years ago) link

apparently everyone was stunned by the verdict - defense, prosecution, everybody

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 28 March 2015 12:29 (six years ago) link

Yeah i did a 180 on this. I always used to see them as the victims of a botched investigation but there's always been something really off about these two

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 28 March 2015 18:02 (six years ago) link

Bit of evidence linking them to the crime for which someone is already doing time would be nice.

ledge, Saturday, 28 March 2015 18:20 (six years ago) link

Thankfully not the person she falsely accused for no reason.

tsrobodo, Sunday, 29 March 2015 01:46 (six years ago) link

She looks like Billy Corgan. Therefore, probably a wrong'un.

Humphrey Plugg, Sunday, 29 March 2015 07:02 (six years ago) link

they're a bit odd but from what I read of any of this over time there was hardlly any evidence connection them to it. I admit it seems like people outside of the US seem to have a completley different take on this for some reason.

akm, Sunday, 29 March 2015 22:49 (six years ago) link

They've spent an enormous amount of money managing the media in the US, which goes some way towards explaining the divide.

Rainbow DAESH (ShariVari), Sunday, 29 March 2015 23:20 (six years ago) link

No point beating a dead horse at this point, but Salon sums it up nicely:

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/27/amanda_knox_verdict_the_real_evidence_and_why_almost_everything_you_think_you_know_about_the_case_is_wrong/

Are we gonna have a Serial/Jinx treatment of this in years to come?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 30 March 2015 12:13 (six years ago) link

It may be the intervention of the PR firm coupled with media echo effects and confirmation bias, but I'd love to read a serious investigative piece about this case's public "life". It's one of those cases where there's so much strawmanning, xenophobia, contrary positions with seemingly entirely different sets of basic facts that it makes me feel like every comment section is street-teamed. I guess "welcome to the Internet, me" but there's so much deliberate lying, innocent misinformation and general ugliness involved with this case that it's hard for me to process.

RICHARD GROWTH (fake penthouse letters mcgee), Monday, 30 March 2015 14:20 (six years ago) link

sorry that's so badly written, but hopefully it's a little bit intelligible.

RICHARD GROWTH (fake penthouse letters mcgee), Monday, 30 March 2015 14:20 (six years ago) link

Don't forget Sarcasm, there's a lot of it about and it ends up being accumulated into the 'stated' facts of the case.

Mark G, Monday, 30 March 2015 14:21 (six years ago) link

Yes - I think sarcasm and detachment probably explain a lot.

RICHARD GROWTH (fake penthouse letters mcgee), Monday, 30 March 2015 14:27 (six years ago) link

That salon article reads like the author stumbled across one of the highly partisan anti-knox blogs (I know there are just as bad pro-knox ones) and then ran wide eyed to the typewriter.

Knox’s DNA was found on the handle of the murder weapon – a knife belonging to Sollecito – and Kercher’s was found on the blade. Whether it’s really Kercher’s DNA is hotly contested by Knox supporters, but contamination was ruled out at the latest appeal. The probability that the DNA on the blade did not come from Kercher was found to be one in 300 million billion.

One in three hundred million billion bajillion! That's incontrovertibly high! That appeal she refers to where contamination was ruled out was the previous appeal, the one that was just overturned.

ledge, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:33 (six years ago) link

And reading the comments it seems there were two knives, and the one with Knox/Sollecito DNA couldn't have been the murder weapon because it was too big (I admit I haven't been following close enough to know definitively whether that's the knife they're talking about).

nickn, Monday, 30 March 2015 23:55 (six years ago) link

Wow I don't remember dissecting the evidence quite as closely as I did back in 2011, still, nothing has materially changed since then. In other words I'd just like to point out that I was otm in this thread.

ledge, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 07:31 (six years ago) link

ledge you said she was held for 14 hours. she wasn't. you said the DNA evidence on the knife was discredited. it wasn't.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 19:02 (six years ago) link

guys

goole, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 19:04 (six years ago) link

I'M IN HTE ZONE DAMMIT

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 23:16 (six years ago) link

you said the DNA evidence on the knife was discredited. it wasn't.

What's your source for this? I don't think it's correct, although we can't be sure until the final courts full judgment is released.

ledge, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 07:19 (six years ago) link

one month passes...
one year passes...

ok now i think she did it

goole, Thursday, 8 September 2016 18:45 (five years ago) link

it me

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 September 2016 09:26 (five years ago) link

we can't be sure until the final courts full judgment is released.

Did this happen, does anyone care anymore?

dancing jarman by derek (ledge), Saturday, 10 September 2016 11:31 (five years ago) link

oh there are a few websites that will care about this for the next 30 years. i haven't checked them in awhile tho.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 September 2016 13:06 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

i just checked one. latest post - this tuesday. hundreds of words.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:44 (two years ago) link

http://truejustice.org/ee/

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:44 (two years ago) link

ghouls

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 10 October 2019 22:47 (two years ago) link

fucking hell someone has a lot of time on their hands

akm, Friday, 11 October 2019 17:12 (two years ago) link

Just learned that she hosts a podcast (for Sundance): The Truth About True Crime. I'm gonna check it out.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 11 October 2019 20:32 (two years ago) link

did we ever get this sorted?

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 11 October 2019 20:34 (two years ago) link

documentarians are divided

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 October 2019 20:43 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

guede is out of prison. if you listen you can hear the sound of checkbooks opening all over europe. i don’t think he has anything to lose by talking - he’s already been convicted and served his time. sorry if it’s ghoulish, this is my one true crime guilty pleasure.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:02 (one week ago) link

i’ve probably read this transcript a million times. guede’s story is super sketch, sounds kinda fake, but at the same time there are so many weird details. the clothes in the washing machine. the broken window (which i know from other sources had shattered OUTWARDS rather than inwards)

https://famous-trials.com/amanda-knox/2635-guede-s-taped-skype-conversation

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 November 2021 18:18 (one week ago) link


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