the right to be fat?

NAAFA shreds

omg, these fattays have the motivation to congregate and protest sizism but they don't have to motivation to change their sedentary lifestyles

cutty bringin it

Do you think people do not have a right to be fat - that those considered obese should be locked up in containment camps until they lose weight?

Community service would be more productive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzNzDJ_XGOU

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/397684800_0b2ef13ce4_o.jpg

shitbeus (16 hours ago)
i find the larger woman to be much more attractive than normal women. i like to feel dominated and i find this video extremely arousing.

^"Good old" youtube comment box :/

youtube comments are certainly something, yes:
well ive just been sick im a sise 8 and after this i feel a sise 58 omg stop and look in too a clean mirror.... fat mallow heads.... all they do is eat then they want help to loose it all cheek

Loose or else!

cheek

I really don't much care about peoples' weight, except my own (though not to a point where I actively try to change it or worry about it (just wouldn't want to be fat or be able to feel my ribs)), and my fiance's, shallow as that may be. Anyone else can get the fat, it's their prerogative & pretty pointless and mean to mock them for it.

but such fun!

um, i'd worry about my own weight more than anyone else's, the only people i'd ever mock about their weight are brothers or close mates.

they don't have to motivation to change their sedentary lifestyles

I literally thought Cutty was quoting the YouTube comments box

abbott otm really, some people obviously have to put a whole lot more work into it than others and im not mad because some folks have different priorities, awesome fat people > boring skinny people

obesity as a national epidemic is another issue but it should be treated in a systematic way, not a lame moralizing one ... folks who do that are worse than hitler fundamentalists who think christianity is the best birth control.

Sometimes people in our nation have dumb ideas about how to solve things. Like I say, "If people can't be righteous, they'll at least be self-righteous."

Like this is only specific to the U.S.A. tho. :P

i recognize my post has no nuance and might not perfectly represent what i think but it seemed like a fun thing to throw out there.

i might start appending this to all my posts

The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand

lock thread

I don't care how fat people are, I just wish everyone would dress better.

Criticizing fat people as being too lazy to be thin is a lot like criticizing poor people as being too lazy to be rich. Fat is not a moral issue. It doesn't even come close.

Would fat people be better off thin? In some ways, probably so, but only within a very limited scope. Being thin won't make them smarter, happier, more caring or loving, or even necessarily better workers, better neighbors or better parents. It wouldn't even guarantee them good health, only somewhat better odds of good health.

would poor people be better off rich?

(necessarily?)

If everyone else could just get style and walk in a straight line, my life would be so much improved. It's not the fat people I object to having to look at on the subway, it's the ugly & unpleasant ones.

It's not the fat people I object to having to look at on the subway

unless i'm looking at them taking up two seats :)

people being lazy and sedentary and being a drain on a nation's resources and support systems is totally a valid moral and political issue (see good old Protestant work ethic, etc.)

makin fun of fat people, discriminating against them, gettin all self-righteous however = not helpful (or very nice)

I don't care how fat people are, I just wish everyone would dress better.

This is my wife's manifesto.

people being lazy and sedentary and being a drain on a nation's resources and support systems is totally a valid moral and political issue (see good old Protestant work ethic, etc.)

maybe i think too highly of behavioral psychology or something but to me its a non-starter as a moral issue and is much better dealt w/ as a simple exercise in implementing a system that makes healthy living the shortest distance between two points

Being thin won't make them smarter, happier

I dunno. I've been watching a lot of bad "I'm a fatty, help!" reality TV shows lately (don't ask), and no one ever seems really happy with themselves when they're obese. Once they start shedding the pounds, and start looking healthier, they seem much happier.

Body image issues are a harsh mistress.

people being lazy and sedentary and being a drain on a nation's resources and support systems is totally a valid moral and political issue (see good old Protestant work ethic, etc.)

People of any weight can be sedentary and a drain on a nation's resources and support systems, of course.

http://washington.uwc.edu/depts/compsci/cps109f05/eatoe1740/images/hungry%20hippos.jpg

what is this system you speak of deej

People of any weight can be sedentary and a drain on a nation's resources and support systems, of course.

I was thinking of healthcare costs, disability costs, etc.

one time a fat guy in a restaurant ran out of food so he slid up to my table a put on a bib and poured hot sauce up and down my arm. he sharped his knife with his fork and got ready to dig in.

how idd ii escape this almost lethal encounter with a fatso? find out after the jump.

i don't know how anyone can get behind the fattay at work who eats chocolate bars for breakfast--

"i applaud you for being you, fat person, keep it up!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NjTWvl8x-U

i don't know how anyone can get behind the fattay at work who eats chocolate bars for breakfast

oh, go ahead, play coy. You know you and everybody else in the office has already got behind her.

Assuming that a fat person is a drain on a nation's resources and support systems is specious and stupid. I'm fat, but I pay more in taxes than a minimum wage worker in the US makes. I also don't have any health issues, my BP/cholesterol/A1C is enviably low. But I do lack style and should dress better, that's true.

kenan, i was imagining a fat dude, but you can spin this any way you desire, you chubby chaser

I am so over all this classification shit ever since I checked the BMI charts some years ago and learned that I score as "overweight" and nearly "obese". Clearly the people they're interviewing on that segment are the kind we THINK about as "obese" or at the very least "fat", but if the statistic that 2/3 of all Americans are "obese" is based on government BMI charts, it's a total public opinion-fuck.

is this fat dude like the imaginary aspie dude?

xxpost you know it. sheeit... get em fat enough, and it doesn't matter if it's a dude or not.

but what if breakfast chocolate eater happens to be hilarious?

this fat dude is imaginary yes, but the aspie is a female, and we've been getting along better due to my exceptional people skills

there's no need to get personal or point fingers at specific people at your job or whatever - when a country has a population like ours, that is increasingly sedentary and overweight, that results in per capita increases in consumption of all kinds of resources (food, energy, gas, etc.) and results in an unhealthy populace that requires ever-increasing healthcare support and costs. This is simple math. Americans in general - myself included should think about consuming less as simply being civically responsible.

x-posts

breakfast chocolate eater is a simulacrum of all fat people with disgusting eating habits in offices everywhere

anyone who doesn't think America in general is TEH FATTEY should visit other countries

x-post

there is a way out.

http://www.healthofchildren.com/images/gech_0001_0001_0_img0006.jpg

there's a habit issue to diet and activity, but huge class-based issues of availability and cost as well. you ever try to get decent vegetables or go jogging in a shitty part of town?

yeah, I remember reading the BBC harping about the equivalent problem in MERRY OLD. Also, have you seen the European tourists in New York lately? Not a looker among them.

paul bunyan's coconut muffins for giants

lol

your standard size blueberry, bran, apple, banana or w/e muffin from any coffee shop or bakery can easily have 400-500 calories. They're actually worse than donuts.

!

like, the freshly baked ones not the packaged ones full of chemicals?

chemicals =/= calories

yes

best way to get around donut v. muffin decision is to get a couple of both

empty carbs

empty some crabs? yes, please.

explain how i can feel so full from eating so many empty carbs, brah

fuck carbs

“I care about my health – I try to exercise every day and I eat pretty well,” Matthew Woessner, professor of political science at the Harrisburg campus. “But I resent that my employer government requires that I submit to medical exams, buy health insurance essentially. There’s a fine line between encouraging employees to be healthy and requiring them to comply with health screenings.”

omg can't believe i have to get a physical and some blood work, what's a lipid profile, that sounds like racial profile

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/this-is-why-policy-should-be-evidence-based/

― k3vin k., Friday, 19 July 2013 12:07 (3 days ago) Permalink

This seems like a pretty poorly designed study.

Methods. Before and after New York City implemented calorie posting on chain restaurant menus in 2008, we provided daily, per-meal, or no calorie recommendations to randomized subsets of adult lunchtime customers (n = 1121) entering 2 McDonald’s restaurants, in Manhattan and Brooklyn, and collected receipts and survey responses as they exited. In linear and logistic regressions, with adjustment for gender, race, age, and day, we tested for simple differences in calories consumed and interactions between variables.

Ok, so you "educated" people about healthy eating by handing them a little pamphlet immediately as they entered a McDonald's, and when that didn't have an effect you concluded that calorie labeling doesn't matter?

― undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Monday, July 22, 2013 6:37 PM (2 days ago)

yeah i mean, aaron carroll is like my favorite person, but i'm a little less...pessimistic than he is about some public health measures to fight obesity. and i agree that this particular study (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301218 if you care) has some limitations. but it's necessary to look at the whole of the evidence when talking about public health measures like this, and overall the evidence for menu labeling hasn't been great. personally, and this is mostly faith-based, i don't think there's much of a downside with this issue, and i think more transparency is desirable

although tbf i am one of those people who uses food labeling at fast food joints to order the most calories for the cheapest price (4 double cheeseburgers is like 1000 calories for 5 bucks!), so that phenomenon definitely exists, but i sort of doubt it's a problem on a large scale

stoplight system has been proven to work best i thought? i.e. big labels that are either green, yellow or red to indicate overall healthiness

I never heard of the stoplight system but it sounds good, like surgeon general warnings on cigarettes

The stoplight system is what the food industry in the UK has been battling against because it very clearly demonstrates how full of shit a lot of processed food actually is.

have to admit i've never even heard of the stoplight system, is it a UK thing primarily? sounds like a good idea though. putting "stoplight obesity" into pubmed yields just 2 results, one of which is this paper on a small but somewhat encouraging study http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1746-1561.2009.00446.x/full

this makes sense - calorie counts are a good idea (and again i don't necessarily oppose them) - but red/yellow/green is a lot easier to interpret, and you'd think the red foods would have enough negative association to make something happen in terms of offerings and choice, which is what this paper describes. i bet part of it (for better or worse...) is the reluctance to order "red" foods in front of others

i can upload that pdf if anyone wants to read it

Don't violate copyright law dickhead

when i visited a friend at the google sales office in SF for lunch, i noticed their cafeteria used the stoplight system

Don't violate copyright law dickhead

― waterface, Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:26 AM (18 minutes ago)

my man with the cold water

btw if we're going to continue using this thread to discuss obesity-related public health, maybe we could rename it

maybe you could start a new thread

sure

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/localbrad/10593409._Too_thin__City_Gent_is_dropped_as_mascot_after_19_years/

What about the right to be thin?

regretting bumping this thread, which really ought to have been locked weeks back.

http://www.thecitygent.co.uk/images/logo.jpg
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/resources/images/1017631.jpg?type=articlePortrait
http://ryan147.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/proactbradford9.jpg

Almost posted in this thread the other day - I recently had a 6-month checkup at my doctor's office. As I've mentioned, I'm 5'9", and my weight usually holds between 190-198. I'm far from a perfect specimen, but I'm healthy enough to bike to work every day, and biked just under 350 miles in four days two weekends ago for charity. (I posted a pic in the July WDYLL.)

My doctor, in going over my health, noted that, "I see you've lost a few more pounds [I dropped from 198 to 192], and that definitely moves you out of the 'obese' category and down to 'overweight.'"

"Obese?!" That's how stupid these BMI charts are. I refuse to believe that any sane human being would have looked at me anytime in the last several weeks and said, "That guy is obese." I swear to god I'm going to PUT ON weight just to spite my doctor now.

smh at people thinking size of food or price has something to do with caloric content

is 'stoplight system' all based on calories and fat? What's the criteria? A lot of healthy foods could fit that criteria. Coconut oil, for instance. I eat a lot of it. It has a lot of calories. And tons of fat.

kind of thinking that having fats in your diet is necessary but I don't know if coconut oil is essentially much better than any other fat, especially in the pretty small quantities you use cooking oils/fats (with the exception of deep frying)

google tells me dr. oz seems to think so, though

Dr oz also believes in homeopathy. Opinion voided.

it's good for people on autoimmune diet protocols because it isnt a vegetable oil nor does it contain dairy fats.

my cat likes to eat coconut oil if I leave the jar open and has really nice fur

I think the most important thing is that the mascot is obviously a young boy, whereas the man playing it is pretty obviously an old geezer.

if 5'9"/198lbs is obese then I was obese at one point in my life.

I thought the "consensus" now was that sugar is the main devil, not fat

Sugar is even more caloricly dense and people eat a lot of it, yes

There is never consensus.

The Animals are Also Getting Fat

They love junk food. Who the hell is surprised about this?

http://gawker.com/your-doctor-is-probably-not-fat-shaming-you-1535358667

crazy how much medical knowledge the people in the blog posts linked therein have

The thing is, I know that the science behind "fat=unhealthy" is bad. I've read numerous studies on the subject and I've written about it. I could have countered her on purely medical grounds with discussions about set points and health as a complex issue

doctors are just shills for the fashion industry.

"Your BMI is 30.1 - obese
Your weight is substantially above the healthy range for your height, which means you have a higher than average risk of developing diseases associated with obesity."
biked 12km to football (2 hrs) and 12km back, feel p good tbh
― i will fondue, and i will killue (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 October 2012 23:48 (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still this, on the button. have my doubts.

you have a right to be fat so just aim for that 29.999

Allow me to recommend my forthcoming self-help book Eat Like a Fawn, Feel Like a Million Bucks.

inspiring stuff lads thanks

deems la, that is a very crude pro-forma metric, as you will know
if you really want to know about your risk of develping metabolic diseases then do some proper tests