"Dumbledore is Gay" sez Rowling

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I thought Hermione was black before I saw the movies. It was kind of a disappointment.

Abbott, Saturday, 20 October 2007 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

I thought Harry Potter was small and fat when I read the book. Thatwas also a disappointment.

moley, Saturday, 20 October 2007 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

Would've voted for Potter (-> Gay in Dutch) himself.

stevienixed, Saturday, 20 October 2007 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

so is Rowling herself

Heave Ho, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

I owe this link to another messageboard, but...

http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/documents/02977459.htm

Snape is probably into BDSM.

moley, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

cue Andy Milonakis

Dumbledore is Gay
Dumbledore
Dumbledore
Dumbledore is Gay

Heave Ho, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

" in other stories, Snape has a full-blown taste for bondage and discipline, seducing students of both sexes — including Harry and Hermione — during detentions in his dungeon. In one unrelenting bit of erotica, "The Nine Orgies: Affection" by one Kandyslasher (adultfanfiction.net), Snape spends the entire first section spanking a naughty Slytherin girl with every implement at a sadistic schoolmaster’s disposal. And in the luminous "Love’s Labours, Paradise Lost" by Veresna Ussep (adultfanfiction.net), a melancholy, Shakespeare-spouting Snape turns a prostitute into an elegant love slave, and the result is so affecting, you wish you could see this Snape on a movie screen."

moley, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

The reaction from the mother of the girl who posed the original question was not recorded.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

Dobby is of course a masochist. 'Dobby had to iron his hands'.

moley, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

My gf reads that kinda stuff.

Weirds me out a little.

xxp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

The audience fell silent, and then after a moment, Carnegie Hall exploded into applause. Rowling said that if she had known that her admission would get that type of response, she would’ve revealed her thoughts on Dumbledore earlier.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

thats quite an admission big hoos

deej, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.webwhispers.org/newspics/apr05/target.jpg

deej, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.magazine.org/Editorial/40-40-covers/37e.jpg

Wrinklepaws, Saturday, 20 October 2007 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

It's just the prospect of a Professor doing the dirty with his underage students that weirds me out. Sorry if that wasn't clear. xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

i meant the part about yr gf reading hp sex slash

deej, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

lolz

sorry gf mods should prob remove huh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

what with ilx/facebook crossover and everything

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

"Can I say my girlfriend's into Harry Potter sex slash on Facebook?"

Alex in Baltimore, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

haha its a bit late for that now hoos

deej, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:21 (twelve years ago) link

way xpost to Abbott -- I've always found it kind of cute/interesting how Rowling tries to use the kids' names/details to make various ethnicities clear without having to say anything (and without going overboard and being like "the young wizard LAMAR SINGLETON raised his wand"), which is funny business when you're trying to make things clear for children; there's some funny bit early on where one of the black kids wears dreadlocks for pretty much the sole purpose of us imagining him as black, instead of being told straight. (I find it funny, too, that one of the Indian girls is named Parvati, and so I consistently imagine her as Parvati-the-witch from Midnight's Children.) But then in standard British style she goes a bit broad with the foreigners ("Fleur"!), and Cho Chang has always made me wonder if maybe east Asians in the UK don't do the assimilated-name thing like in the US.

nabisco, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:21 (twelve years ago) link

I assume the way ALL the names scan is way different in the UK, obviously (which kinda kills my Lamar Singleton joke) -- I'm probably missing a lot of class signifiers with the names, too, aren't I.

nabisco, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:23 (twelve years ago) link

Hermione = posh
Ron = common as dog muck

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

Harry = wtf is this the 1940s?

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, yes, definitely a step back in time. There is more than a touch of Enid Blyton.

moley, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

Hermione pretty much seemed like Theo in a cloak to me.

Abbott, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

OOOOPS maybe I meant Rudy (meaning I entirely meant Rudy, I wasn't THAT, um, unclear on Hermione.)

Abbott, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

I just canceled an 8-paragraph post about Theo's late-diagnosed learning disabilities

nabisco, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

There IS that one scene where she keeps calling Ron BUUUUD

nabisco, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

HAHAHA sorry to make you abort what was surely a hilarious frolic.

Abbott, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

There was nothing hilarious about it, Abbott. In fact, his early-college discovery of the simple learning disabilities that had made him struggle in high school was precisely what made him decide to major in education, so he could help kids like himself find ways to

I'm sorry, I'm getting a little misty, one second

nabisco, Saturday, 20 October 2007 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

wait you guys don't know anyone named harry? i have THREE friends named harry.

the table is the table, Sunday, 21 October 2007 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

I have never known a person named Harry that was younger than 60.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 21 October 2007 02:49 (twelve years ago) link

nice of jkr to make the reveal after she's already ended the series and sold 15 gajillion books. woo yay and all, but also kind of having yr cock and eating it too.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 21 October 2007 04:02 (twelve years ago) link

prince harry

Heave Ho, Sunday, 21 October 2007 04:05 (twelve years ago) link

Now this raises all kinds of interesting questions.

1) Does what Rowling think matters?

lol subject-verb agreement

stephen, Sunday, 21 October 2007 04:40 (twelve years ago) link

my little dog is called harry, he is like a tiny old-fashioned travelling salesman who breezes into town and makes hearts flutter.

estela, Sunday, 21 October 2007 04:52 (twelve years ago) link

in the remaining films, dumbledore will now be played by ian mckellen

abanana, Sunday, 21 October 2007 06:48 (twelve years ago) link

because he's gay!!

s1ocki, Sunday, 21 October 2007 14:58 (twelve years ago) link

it would be funny if michael gambon took a cue from this and just really queened it up in the next couple movies.

s1ocki, Sunday, 21 October 2007 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

s1ocki have you heard his rationale for why he played magneto and the lotr dumbledore

abanana, Sunday, 21 October 2007 15:01 (twelve years ago) link

Harry has definitely come back into fashion as a kids name, like George and Alfie, but Ron is really dated. Plenty of people with east Asian ethnicity have English names in the UK, not sure how different it is to the US though.

ogmor, Sunday, 21 October 2007 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

My best mate is called Harry, but then he was named after a man born in 1907.

Mark C, Sunday, 21 October 2007 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

two of my harry friends are jews, which makes some sort of sense to me, at least. they're both around 23?
the other is more peripheral, and he is (surprise) Japanese.

the table is the table, Sunday, 21 October 2007 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

lol @ LAMAR SINGLETON

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

Every time I see this thread title I want it to say "'Dumbledore is Mad Gay' sez Rowling".

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

ya rly xpost

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

nice of jkr to make the reveal after she's already ended the series and sold 15 gajillion books. woo yay and all, but also kind of having yr cock and eating it too.

OTM. I find it hard to believe she's really like, "Oh, he's always been gay, I just didn't bother to mention it before."

Tuomas, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

ppl get *christened* harry?

the fuck, people.

it's like christening your kid dave.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 21 October 2007 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

Do you masturbate over the Telegraph?

everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 05:56 (one week ago) link

No because discussion of rowlings transphobia is not endorsement of whatever pub has covered it obv. It’s a rhetorical q I’m assuming the answer is no for both of us but getting less sure

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Friday, 18 September 2020 06:00 (one week ago) link

But yes nobody itt has mentioned her twitter feed or drawn conclusions from the other reviews of this book, the last 50 posts itt didn’t happen and we are all just saying “the telegraph is good”. You are either thick or trolling.

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Friday, 18 September 2020 06:02 (one week ago) link

This outrage about the book is a troll by right wing media. All the reports lead back to the one article in the Telegraph, who love to provoke the left on identity politics. A very successful troll btw and great for business. Sure, double down on trusting the now retracted clickbait review from the bullshit pape. jk rowling is frequently posting her own words on twitter which could be discussed but so far on this thread have not been.

everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 06:13 (one week ago) link

A schism exists between feminist theory, queer theory and trans theory. Eg. gender-based rights vs. sex-based rights when applied to female-only safe spaces like prisons, rape shelters etc; how and when trans people should compete in sex-segregated sports; age of consent for minors to transition; & a couple of other topics. There are similar nuances in the BLM conversation which are beyond stating if you are for or against. It's more complicated than that.

Supporters of the Harpers article see that it's not a request by the signatories to not be flamed but that these conversations have become difficult to have in left-ish groups such as academia, the arts, non-profits, unions and so on. Meanwhile the right-wing look on & laugh.

ILX leans left and it's unlikely that there could be a thread on gender theory here. Several posts are already saying that this is a stupid thread - a reaction to some posts getting close to difficult viewpoints being aired. It's worth thinking about.

― everything, Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:34 PM (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink


wonder what motivates this user who gripes about ilx being too left for a thread on "gender theory" to defend rowling and then shit their pants deflecting when challenged in the slightest

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 18 September 2020 06:15 (one week ago) link

Love the idea that nobody would have picked up on the transphobic content in this book if the telegraph hadn’t (even tho ppl have also discussed the guardian review, which is based on the content of the book and not just that telegraph piece, and drawn the same conclusions)(also a bullshit paper tbf)

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Friday, 18 September 2020 06:27 (one week ago) link

jk rowling is frequently posting her own words on twitter which could be discussed but so far on this thread have not been.

did you read any of the other posts in this thread before saying this or were you just hoping people wouldn't remember

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 18 September 2020 06:28 (one week ago) link

Xpost Not a gripe - a comment. I don't think ilx is particularly "left" either but maybe i dont spend enoigh time here. I dont feel like I am defending Rowling by pointing out what I feel was a huge successful troll by a publication known for such things.

everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 06:33 (one week ago) link

You should spend less time here tbf

scampo italiano (gyac), Friday, 18 September 2020 07:13 (one week ago) link

You should engage with JKR's actual words tbf.

everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 07:20 (one week ago) link

jk rowling is frequently posting her own words on twitter which could be discussed but so far on this thread have not been.

jk rowling has been a terf for years. she is also very friendly on twitter with "brian spanner" a unionist troll account that has tweeted at multiple female snp msps calling them cunts

― xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, December 24, 2019 6:40 AM (eight months ago)

don't want to link to wings over scotland but he details her literally @ing the brian spanner account 200 times.

― xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, December 24, 2019 6:42 AM (eight months ago)

to me it seems unlikely that an angry entitled millionaire soft Tory would be a terf

― a very powerful woman in the dog world (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, December 24, 2019 8:06 AM (eight months ago)

can’t wait for my wee girl to be old enough to want to read these and then spend years trying not to yell about how all harry does is defend his elite private school and the horrible racist status quo it supports from having to make any sort of change and then grows up to be a cop so he can do it some more

and also that rowling is a blairite terf

― hot nuts (small) (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, December 28, 2019 11:56 PM (eight months ago)

You know, I don't really think whoever wrote this bit was purposefully aiming at Rowling, but I think they hit her pretty well with it:

https://entertainment.theonion.com/frozen-2-creators-confirm-that-elsa-gay-but-also-tran-1839981134

― revenge of the jawn (rushomancy), Monday, December 30, 2019 1:19 AM (eight months ago)

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 18 September 2020 07:22 (one week ago) link

I certainly agree that tokenism is mockable.

everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 07:35 (one week ago) link

The Telegraph is trash. Pink News is trash. That's where the story came from. None of us here have read the book. I remember JKR getting burned at the stake over Scottish Independence. I remember getting burned at the stake for Brexit. What's new?

― everything, Thursday, 17 September 2020 bookmarkflaglink

What's this burned at the stake for Brexit? You a Brexiteer?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 09:03 (one week ago) link

'crossdressing serial killer' is still a transphobic trope even if that character isn't really the focus of the novel

like, congrats to rowling on managing to write a book that isn't as hateful as her public comments (but still very much reflective of her worldview) or one of her previous galbraith books ('the silkworm', as mentioned earlier)

ufo, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:24 (one week ago) link

lmao @ the idea the torygraph is "trolling the left" by pointing out transphobia in the works of a writer who agrees with the torygraph on Scottish independence, Corbyn, neoliberalism....

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:30 (one week ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/20/making-a-demon-of-jk-rowling-is-a-wretched-sport-born-of-misogyny-and-resentment

Observer columnist says the JKR controversy is all about misogyny against JKR. Personally I am not convinced by that.

the pinefox, Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:31 (six days ago) link

There’s a real vein of wealthy white terfs saint any criticism of them whatsoever is misogyny, and they’re not shy about using it against other women either. They’re also not shy about calling women who disagree with them handmaids, men, or just straight up predators ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

scampo italiano (gyac), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:34 (six days ago) link

My colleague Nick Cohen’s reading is supported by early reader reviews on Amazon

lmao oh reader reviews on amazon you say?????

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:00 (six days ago) link

Citing Nick Cohen 😬😬😬😬

scampo italiano (gyac), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:00 (six days ago) link

I have to agree: if your two supporting sources are a dire fellow writer at the same paper and Amazon reviews -- that's as weak as it gets.

the pinefox, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:08 (six days ago) link

Hey Nick Cohen knows misogyny when he sees it in the first person

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:11 (six days ago) link

The worst thing is that when The Observer dies all the worst ppl will just start writing for The Spectator or cow mag (the Jenny Turner -- in her latest for the LRB -- essay is quite good at covering these fault lines)

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:13 (six days ago) link

Definitely misogyny yeah

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-graham-linehan-fell-foul-of-the-transgender-mob

piscesx, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:15 (six days ago) link

I love that use of "fell foul", just innocently skipping along, Tweeting transphobia 24/7, and suddenly this horrible mob who are just looking for a fight set about you

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:17 (six days ago) link

GL of course no stranger to telling women who disagreed with him that they were misogynists

scampo italiano (gyac), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:22 (six days ago) link

I love the balls on these guys. 2M followers too.

Transphobic creator J.K. Rowling 'not involved' in new Harry Potter game. https://t.co/I9FaT64vRv pic.twitter.com/JsWG3A8iHJ

— Kotaku (@Kotaku) September 17, 2020

As people used to say of Linehan 'What's the end game here?', has to be said i'm baffled. Whatever her intention is or was it's not working. Deliberate anti-marketing or something?

piscesx, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:29 (six days ago) link

One comment I would hazard on that, without knowing too much about any of it, is:

JKR is used to people agreeing with her, buying her books, worshipping her and supporting everything she says and does, treating her like a cultural queen (a bit like a multi-million-selling Marina Hyde in a sense) - so she never expected many people to challenge her.

the pinefox, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:40 (six days ago) link

I feel like this is what happened with Linehan, what started as being mocked or corrected for ignorance rapidly hardened into outright war because he couldn't handle being owned on the Internet

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:44 (six days ago) link

Entitlement plus underlying previously unexamined bigotry

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:45 (six days ago) link

does her end game have to be any deeper than affecting public/political attitudes towards transgender people? she's already a gazillionaire, now she's found her passion

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:47 (six days ago) link

Tbh I am hesitant to point out the actual reason as both are extremely litigious

scampo italiano (gyac), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:47 (six days ago) link

As people used to say of Linehan 'What's the end game here?',

Linehan now does a daily newsletter pointing and screeching at trans people on twitter, since his main account for abusing them directly was banned, and mocking people who turn the replies off on any given tweet. (He charges 8 quid a month for the ability to post comments on the blog version of his newsletter.)

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Sunday, 20 September 2020 20:03 (six days ago) link

The worst thing is that when The Observer dies all the worst ppl will just start writing for The Spectator or cow mag (the Jenny Turner -- in her latest for the LRB -- essay is quite good at covering these fault lines)

― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 September 2020 4:13 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

its already happening - hadley freeman, one of the guardian's many transphobe writers, wrote a piece in it the other day to complain about the oscars and then tell an anecdote where she explained to a friend how transphobic she is

I've become radicalised about gender, says Hadley Freemanhttps://t.co/09hOkimPxp

— The Spectator (@spectator) September 19, 2020

ufo, Monday, 21 September 2020 01:11 (five days ago) link

I don't think Rowling holding awful transphobic views and her receiving misogynistic abuse are in any way mutually exclusive.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 21 September 2020 01:39 (five days ago) link

it's problematic when it's used as a tool to shut down discussion that is specifically calling her out for being transphobic.

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 September 2020 01:46 (five days ago) link

Neither justifies the other, obviously. But women in the public space with controversial views - good or bad - always get pushback that is more virulent, more personalised and more sexualised than men do. I don't know why this situation would be any different.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 21 September 2020 01:54 (five days ago) link

it's a consistent tactic of Linehanian terfs to categorise any pro-trans speech as misogynistic.

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Monday, 21 September 2020 02:00 (five days ago) link

JKR receives the same kind of violent and sexualized abuse for being outspoken about Scottish independence and Brexit. Her sex is absolutely a reason for that.

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 02:18 (five days ago) link

I find it striking how suddenly people like Freeman appear to care deeply about edge cases in prison management and the finer points of eligibility in athletics competitions, having never evidenced any prior interest

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 September 2020 06:38 (five days ago) link

This is entirely fine and thankfully one of the most famous and beloved authors in the world has no influence

JK Rowling platforms anti-trans shop selling ‘lesbians don’t have penises’ and ‘f**k your pronouns’ merch https://t.co/PtgoTSQEGY

— PinkNews (@PinkNews) September 23, 2020

ciorapomenitul (gyac), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 13:22 (three days ago) link

i'm sure this has been said, but i do not understand having that level of wealth and caring about this issue in this manner

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 14:17 (three days ago) link

damn, is this a conservative paper psy-op too

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 14:27 (three days ago) link

This is a good if weird read:

I don't know what the interviewer was expecting but Butler
shutting down every poorly offered anti-trans dogwhistle here is something.https://t.co/hy9KFWqSRG

— Ian Williams (@Brock_toon) September 22, 2020

https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2020/09/judith-butler-culture-wars-jk-rowling-and-living-anti-intellectual-times

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:26 (three days ago) link

my college hero

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:27 (three days ago) link

and she's just whipping ass in this interview

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:29 (three days ago) link

"I think we are living in anti-intellectual times, and that this is evident across the political spectrum. The quickness of social media allows for forms of vitriol that do not exactly support thoughtful debate. We need to cherish the longer forms."

I tend to agree.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 16:20 (three days ago) link

that was a great read, butler still as sharp as ever.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 16:31 (three days ago) link

wow, she just cuts through all the bullshit in those questions so perfectly, amazing

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 16:36 (three days ago) link

and she's just whipping ass in this interview

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:29 bookmarkflaglink

Just FYI, Judith Butler is nonbinary and uses they/them.

Masonic Lockdown (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 24 September 2020 07:27 (two days ago) link

The footnote in the article mentions that Judith Butler goes by she or they.

braised cod, Thursday, 24 September 2020 07:33 (two days ago) link


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