the long, subdued, nearly action-free "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford"

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wow, America is going to stay away from this. And as with the novel, I really don't see any large thematic significance in it.

Nearly all the actors are good though, particularly Paul Schneider and Sam Rockwell. Nick Cave turns up singing The Ballad of Jesse James.

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

Hey, if Dylan can appear in a Billy the Kid story...

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:36 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, NC wrote the score w/ Warren Ellis, but just sings in his one scene. Dylan actually "acted."

also, THIS movie kinda wants to be that one, only less "Seventies."

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

i kinda want to see this! roger deakins means it will look v v pretty

ghost rider, Saturday, 22 September 2007 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

very brown, amber and wintry blue.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 23 September 2007 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

If you're determined to see this, go now, cuz the per-screen averages are not encouraging.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 18 October 2007 14:54 (eleven years ago) link

I want to see this, but it's already gone here. :(

Jordan, Thursday, 18 October 2007 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

Saw this on Sunday, like it a lot. Here's what I said on the Chicago thread:

Why Jesse James movie is good:
1) Casey Affleck is amazing in it
2) Cinematography is also amazing, courtesy of Roger Deakins, especially the opening train robbery sequence
3) It is long, but I think it works because you get lulled into the rhythms of the movie - that is, it is slow-paced with not much action and some weird stylistic choices but you kind of get into it after an hour or so, and the last half-hour is great
4) Brad Pitt, while slightly unbelievable as Jesse James, is pretty good and is an inspired casting choice given that the whole movie is basically about the relationship between celebrities and fans
5) Lots of good character actors in it, like Sam Rockwell and the creepy dude from Deadwood who murdered those prostitutes
6) Score by Nick Cave and Warren Ellis

n/a, Thursday, 18 October 2007 15:03 (eleven years ago) link

Sam Rockwell and Paul Schneider (the David Gordon Green guy) were fine. Affleck too, but de Niro did it better in The King of Comedy.

Mostly disposable narration. As for the star-worshipping/slaying thing, no All About Eve by a long shot.

For all the dialogue they lifted straight from the novel, the line they couldn't was JJ's "I'm a no-good, I ain't Jesus," cuz Jesse mostly IS Jesus in the movie.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 18 October 2007 16:26 (eleven years ago) link

The narration was a little weird. Not so much the content, but the voice. Not very authoratative or narrator-y. Bothered me at the beginning, got used to it after a while.

n/a, Thursday, 18 October 2007 16:30 (eleven years ago) link

it's malick-y!!

s1ocki, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

i liked some moments a lot. but man it was too long.

s1ocki, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

i actually dug the narration.

s1ocki, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

In that Australian director's dreams, it was malick-y.

Stephanie Zacharek called the narration "Books on Tape."

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:06 (eleven years ago) link

ya i kinda liked that about it.

s1ocki, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:07 (eleven years ago) link

It didn't seem that long or slow to me, I guess I was "engrossed."

n/a, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

the quotation marks suggest you are using that word as a euphemism for something.

s1ocki, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:54 (eleven years ago) link

it's a euphemism for engorged

Jordan, Thursday, 18 October 2007 17:56 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

Saw this on Tuesday.

too many shots of hands brushing wheat in a field. otherwise pretty good. Casey Affleck does twisted and disturbing rather well.

Upt0eleven, Thursday, 10 January 2008 11:46 (eleven years ago) link

i think this was my favorite movie i saw in the theater in 2007

n/a, Thursday, 10 January 2008 13:12 (eleven years ago) link

maybe the most heavy-handed film i saw in the theater in 2007

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 January 2008 14:36 (eleven years ago) link

looking forward to seeing this on dvd in a month

Jordan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

i probably ruined it by hyping it, i think the reason i liked it so much was that i went in with few expectations

n/a, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:01 (eleven years ago) link

I loved it, by the end. Not just because of Zooey Deschanel's charming turn.

Andrew Dominik said he was more thinking about Barry Lyndon than Malick when he was making it.

Alba, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:28 (eleven years ago) link

if only those thoughts translated into anything onscreen.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:34 (eleven years ago) link

No one saw 3:10 to Yuma? Not much more involving.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:35 (eleven years ago) link

Whole less than sum of parts, for me. Great acting, cinematography, music, but it didn't really engage my sympathies or interest and I grew increasingly bored as it went on. And the LOTR III trick of extending what should have been a short coda into a whole extra chapter was especially frustrating.

(xp - i'm talkin about jesse james not 3.10 to yuma)

ledge, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

i thought the coda was the best part of the movie.

i want to see 3:10 to Yuma, just came out on dvd huh

n/a, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

And the LOTR III trick of extending what should have been a short coda into a whole extra chapter

This section was drastically shortened from the novel. Since the story is actually about Ford, doesn't really make sense.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:43 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, saw it last night. Russell Crowe is quite excellent; so is an unrecognizable Peter Fonda. I was surprised and gratified by the high body count. Mangold is no fun at shooting action sequences: they lack fluidity or continuity. The unsurprising surprise ending is a botch too.

No, I never saw the original.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

(xpost)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

i thought the coda was the best part of the movie.

you could be right; it was certainly necessary, and provided a refreshing counterpoint - but by that point i felt i'd been there long enough and god would you hurry up and finish already!

Keeping the coda and lopping 1/2 hour of the main movie would have made sense.

ledge, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:47 (eleven years ago) link

or just rescreening The King of Comedy

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:48 (eleven years ago) link

3:10 to Yuma was fun, but it doesn't seem like these movies have much in common besides being westerns? 3:10tY was an actiony trad western w/maybe better acting etc. than it needed.

Jordan, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:52 (eleven years ago) link

morbs, do you actually have anything substantive to say about this movie other than that it's "heavy-handed"? i see upthread you use your standard trope of comparing the movie unfavorably to another from 50 years ago that has a vaguely similar theme, which is as retarded an argument as it always is

n/a, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

I grew increasingly interested as it went on, but there is no reason why it couldn't have been longer - and as you say about the coda is a lot more interesting than its running time suggests. Casey Affleck was terrific I thought, though partially due to looking enough like Ben in places for me to turn against him - making him thoroughly unsympathetic even when I started feeling for him.

Who'd want to be a woman in this picture though! (Clearly filming on the Weeds backlot)

Pete, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

self xpost, nevermind, who cares

n/a, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

xxp: yeah, but I don't write long things for ILX for obvious reasons persons. Eat it.

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/movie_review/the-assassination-of-jesse-james-by-the-coward-robert-ford.htm

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

i took the bait :(

n/a, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

or just read Manohla Dargis, ie, let's turn another psycho killer into Jesus.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 January 2008 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

Qu’est ce que c'est?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 10 January 2008 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

Unpopular opinion of the year: Casey was better in Gone Baby Gone.

Eric H., Sunday, 13 January 2008 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

Movie's as pretty as its lead actors, but ultimately hollow.

Eric H., Sunday, 13 January 2008 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

I second that afflecktion.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 13 January 2008 22:29 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

yeah, i don't know about that. there's at least a subtheme about pop culture and mass behavior, though i too am at least skeptical about how much they intended that to get over.

pretty decent movie, though. and i was maybe more impressed by pitt than affleck - where people just surprised that the bro could act?

banned substance (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:51 (ten years ago) link

where

banned substance (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:51 (ten years ago) link

i cant believe i didnt post on this thread. i liked this movie a lot....but, and this probably sets me apart from almost every other person ever, i kinda wish there was MORE narration from the ken burns guy and less acting and talking. i like the literary conceit, the sense of someone sitting down and telling you a story.

ryan, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:54 (ten years ago) link

don't need a movie for that.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:58 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

this is pretty fkn boring tbh

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Monday, 15 June 2009 21:22 (ten years ago) link

is that james carville? wtf.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Monday, 15 June 2009 21:24 (ten years ago) link

also i thought mcnairy was casey affleck this entire movie. ive seen that 'in search of a midnight kiss' thing too, guess he didnt make v much of an impression on me

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 12:21 (six years ago) link

needs its own thread :)

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 12:59 (six years ago) link

OK, even I think an "F" is a little over the top for this:

http://www.pajiba.com/box_office_round-ups/the-8-films-all-time-to-receive-an-f-from-cinemascore.php

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 14:32 (six years ago) link

Another movie that got an A+ from CinemaScore (not mention in that blog post): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courageous_%28film%29

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 14:34 (six years ago) link

i lol'd when the car blew up. then i lol'd when dude had "heroin" on the soundtrack and then that nico song and then the last shooting scene when that fucking like fallout 3 music was playing, and when SPOILERS NOT REALLY ray liotta gets it the blood looks like the blood in the new judge dredd movie, which was 100000000x better

adam, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 16:14 (six years ago) link

Well, Morbs, if this Armond rave (?) doesn't entice you, nothing will: http://cityarts.info/2012/12/05/pitt-beats-clooney/

Killing Them Softly earns a footnote in cultural history for being the first dramatic film to question the Obama cult.

Mainstream media reaction rejected Coppola’s summary consequences (including Michael’s repentance), eventually leading to the guilt-free Sopranos—which Obama told Oprah he loved. Bill and Hilary Clinton even emulated that show in a political campaign ad.

Given Dominik’s grandiose conceit—featuring anachronistic presidential speeches and ironic pop songs—the film is only a little less hyperbolic than a junkie’s paranoia. This outsider director sees America’s economic woes as a gangster movie purgatory. It’s debatable, but it has a much greater effect than the recession documentary No End in Sight and the drab, socially conscious thrillers Michael Clayton, Syriana, Margin Call. Dominik and Pitt go where those films wouldn’t dare. Putting Obama in the tradition of bought leaders sharpens Killing Them Softly’s pretenses.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 18:32 (six years ago) link

Killing Them Softly earns a footnote in cultural history for being the first dramatic film to question the Obama cult.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 18:33 (six years ago) link

IKR?!

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 18:34 (six years ago) link

I feel like he confused 'recession documentaries' there with "No End in Sight".

Gukbe, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 18:41 (six years ago) link

Got his liberal-baiting wires crossed there.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 18:43 (six years ago) link

don't think he knows what "anachronistic" means

wongo hulkington's jade palace late night buffet (silby), Thursday, 6 December 2012 01:06 (six years ago) link

maybe he meant ironic presidential speeches and anachronistic pop songs

Number None, Thursday, 6 December 2012 01:33 (six years ago) link

he means we know O is an asshole shit now

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 December 2012 01:38 (six years ago) link

That's PRESIDENT asshole shit to you, son

Gukbe, Thursday, 6 December 2012 01:44 (six years ago) link

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/4B/esq-obama-oval-office-0709-lg.JPG

Rooms seemed hotter when he was in them. Rains fell straighter. Clocks slowed. Sounds were amplified.

Gukbe, Thursday, 6 December 2012 01:50 (six years ago) link

Killing Them Softly was pretty bad

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 6 December 2012 18:31 (six years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/20/movies/killing-them-softly.html

^p intersting re: sound fx...f/ sounds of norman mailer punching himself apparently

johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 December 2012 01:28 (six years ago) link

the director's name isnt even in the fucking thread title

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 December 2012 06:06 (six years ago) link

i watched 'chopper' this morning - did v little for me; reminded me of 'bronson', which obv 'chopper' came 1st, but that is prob a better movie in every way i can think of

johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 December 2012 16:56 (six years ago) link

choppers better/less boring

turds (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 8 December 2012 18:19 (six years ago) link

Yeah I've always conflated Chopper and Bronson as well, but prefer the former.

Simon H., Saturday, 8 December 2012 18:39 (six years ago) link

does not compute in the slightest but w/e

johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 December 2012 18:40 (six years ago) link

i talked this up enough that my 62 yr old mom is curious enough to go see it (and im shocked its still playing near her)

johnny crunch, Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:22 (six years ago) link

also im ttly taking out like 4 george v higgins books from my lib over the holidays

johnny crunch, Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:23 (six years ago) link

Eddie Coyle if you haven't already

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:27 (six years ago) link

only have seen the film, which is great obv

johnny crunch, Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:30 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

My friend and I thought Killing Them Softly was worth watching, if a little sketchy in its construction. The constant political dialogue was definitely trying to drill in the parallel between criminal economies but it was a little overwrought in that it was mostly an extended implication without really fleshing it out.

It was great to be at a film where people were grumbling about "next time /I/ get to pick the movie, blah blah" on the way out. Hadn't heard that in a while/

mh, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 03:30 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

political notes the most interesting thing about KMS.

(also from all the Dem whining you'd think they were pissing while the W clips were on)

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 03:30 (six years ago) link

Gandolfini much less interesting here than in the Chase rock movie, so yeah I'll probably never watch The Sopranos.

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 03:32 (six years ago) link

Scoot McNairy giving one of the performances of the year was the most interesting thing about KMS. The second-most interesting thing was the notion that you would, indeed, bend over backward to side with Armond.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 03:54 (six years ago) link

but I haven't, as he claims to think it was a very good film.

certainly no Cabin in the Woods

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 03:56 (six years ago) link

KTS btw, KMS will be the Roberta Flack biopic

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 03:57 (six years ago) link

Scoot's versatility will be put to the test in that one.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 04:04 (six years ago) link

what's with the Scoot hard-on? he was fine, but it's an awfully familiar character type and he's no Elisha Cook Jr.

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:36 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

Rad. I love this movie.

Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 28 October 2013 14:40 (five years ago) link

Garret Dillahunt's career shift from stuff like this and "Deadwood" to being the dad in "Raising Hope" is still so weird to me.

Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 28 October 2013 14:43 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

dominik sounds cool

Hungry4Ass, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 02:16 (five years ago) link

Anyway, Dominik took the opportunity to say, bluntly, that he is “embarrassed by the stylization in 'Killing Them Softly.'”

otm

Number None, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 13:15 (five years ago) link

He should be embarrassed by some of the the stylization in this one too.

“Have you seen 'Bonnie & Clyde' lately?” Dominik interrupted, scrunching his face in disapproval. “Has some good editing in the end, I suppose...“

lol f u

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 16:58 (five years ago) link

bonnie & clyde sucks, hes right

Hungry4Ass, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 17:06 (five years ago) link

only if you insist on long, subdued, and nearly action-free

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 17:11 (five years ago) link

my friend went to this, said dominik came across as a dick.

akm, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 04:28 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

johnny crunch and hungry4ass otm re: killing them softly. i did actually worry when 'heroin' came on the soundtrack and also i thought 'the man comes around' was a dreadful choice for pitt's intro song (i think dominik's music library must consist entirely of other movie trailer songs) but overall it was a strong movie imo.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 27 December 2014 03:27 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

dominik is finally getting blonde off the ground, naturally for netflix

https://thefilmstage.com/news/andrew-dominik-begins-production-on-marilyn-monroe-biopic-blonde-as-full-cast-is-announced/

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:39 (one week ago) link

Based on JCO book?

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:42 (one week ago) link

yessir

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:44 (one week ago) link

"my friend went to this, said dominik came across as a dick.

― akm"

weird, I have no recollection of writing this or who this person may have been.

akm, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 02:49 (one week ago) link

The Character Assassination of Andrew Dominik by the Coward akm

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 September 2019 02:56 (one week ago) link


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