Chicago: Totally hands-free!!!

xpost to Nick -- Not if you state your opinion as unassailable fact.

Jesse, find me a case of where I stated my opinion as unassailable fact.

It's esp. helpful when stating a negative opinion of something, and even more so when responding to someone else's positive estimation of something.

Wow. Seriously dudes. Why argue like this on a public internet forum? No offense, but who really cares? Clearly there are some personality clashes but unlike real life, you can totally avoid each other and you don't need to respond to one another directly. You wouldn't necessarily treat each other like this in person so why is the internet okay?

Actually I left the Chicago thread for a while because of John, but I missed the rest of you.

What I mean is sort of what Laurel said--the incredulity that anyone else could ever have [this or that opinion] about something is what leads to contention and what makes it sound like you're the other arbiter of taste around here.

Again, not trying to sound like a dick, or criticize you, but that's how things come across! (And you are not like this in person AT ALL which is why it's odd when I read what you write here and realize that you're opening yourself up for a lot of shit.)

i feel like i've seen people saying 'john, when you post, you sound like you're making a pronouncement rather than opinion' several times already. i don't get it, maybe i'm missing something? i think that basically any crap posted on ILX or anywhere on the internet should be read as 'my opinion...' rather than assuming the person is trying to tell you that what you think is bad. i mean, if you can't handle someone saying they don't like something you like, why are you posting about it on the internet, especially on ILX?

this isn't directed at anyone in particular, it just seems weird to me that this discussion seems to happen again and again.

Actually it's not weird at all.

i'm totally with colette on this issue. if john rubs anyone the wrong way, then just take him with a grain of salt & move on with life.

Haha. FWIW I think there's always an implied "in my opinion" behind John's (and anyone's) posts.

xpost

You guys need to chillax.

Here, watch a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6vdD5HOSgw

And I don't buy that the internet, ESPECIALLY the Chicago thread, should be taken any differently than conversation. It's not throw-away just because it happens online.

Basically Laurel and John just have a personality conflict.

Let the record show that Laurel doesn't like John. Ok now we can move on.

I'm not trying to pick on John. I'm just saying that there is a reason for this conversation happening repeatedly.

An *understood* "IMHO" is different from having to make a special effort to throw read something "IMHO" in mind.

Oh whatever, Nick, I'm just the only person who doesn't care about the repercussions of expressing it.

Lunch time.

throw??? why the hell did I write "throw"???

Jesse, I think you're right that certain things I say come off as incredulous, and I apologize for that -- but it's not out of a determined sense that I'm right and you're wrong (because art doesn't work like that), rather from a frustration that we don't see things the same way. It bothers me that I don't like "Ca Plane Pour Moi" because if I did, we could bond over that. I don't mean to be as harsh as I usually come across, it's just ... I dunno.

And you are not like this in person AT ALL

Thanks for saying that, because it's why Laurel's snap judgments of character bother me so much: I feel like she doesn't know me as well as pretty much any of the rest of you do, and if there's one thing I hate, it's being misunderstood.

I'm just the only person who doesn't care about the repercussions of expressing it.

Seriously, fuck off.

Oh whatever, Nick, I'm just the only person who doesn't care about the repercussions of expressing it.

-- Laurel, Friday, September 14, 2007 5:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Sorry, shouldn't this be "In my opinion, I'm just the only person who doesn't care about the repercussions of expressing it"?

It wasn't really clear to me whether that was an opinion or a fact.

I mean, the way you say, you seem pretty sure it's a fact.

I don't think it's a throw-away thing necessarily, but it's certainly a less direct kind of communication than in real life. I just think this arguing in front of others comes off as - and I seriously don't mean to offend anyone - less-than-adult-like behavior & it makes it awkward for everyone else "in the room." if someone has an issue with someone else, would emailing them directly be an option? I, for example, don't like hearing john tell laurel, or anyone else for that matter, to "fuck off" nor do I like hearing harsh judgments on someone else's personality.
I have no issue with people expressing their dislike of an opinion or even another person but there are times when it's just a bit much for me as a bystander & perhaps others as well.

But surely it's an opinion?

I'm so CONFUSED.

i think there is more throwaway content online, mostly because the conversations are constant and generally tailored around a topic. IRL, if people have a discussion about music and one person says 'i don't like that stuff', the conversation ends. here, there is analysis of why that person doesn't like it, what the implications are for that, and it goes on and on.

xp, haha nick OTM

Let's all go get a beer with lunch.

I don't know, Nick, do you read my inbox? No? Then okay.

I mean, Laurel, are you seriously implying that people don't like me but are afraid to say so? We've already been through this once, and I don't want to have to leave Simon's in tears again.

I think I'm going to eat Bi Bim Bop.

i also think that usually in real life people don't just say 'i don't like you' to someone else while within a group of people...

Nick, Why are you still at work? Go outside and frolic!

that was an xpost, and maybe i'm wrong about that?

Yeah, I'm leaving work now. HAVE FUN, KISSES!

Seriously the coy "I'm confused" shit is tedious as hell.

(Nick and Kelsey OTM)

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Z_vi34WTc)

Okay, maybe I'm glad I haven't met some of you guys.

Cupid Shuffle OTM

Well, I haven't met any of you really.

Don't be scurred, Jon.

I can't believe it: the Fire game sold out.

i think i need to slow down on the water today. yesterday i left work with the worst migraine i've had in months, and guessed dehydration was the trigger. so i've been necking water today and have probably been to the bathroom about 5 times already. in 3 hours. i can't win.

I drink alot of water too and I hate it when I reach that feeling of being waterlogged.

I am constantly amazed at the kinds of issues a lack of water can produce.

I love drinking water!

I'm so hungry! I was given money to pay a pizza guy when he comes, even though I'm not getting any pizza, so I have to wait up here. C'est dumb.

I love drinking water as well!

I'm great about drinking water during the week b/c I have one of those glass quart canning jars at my desk that I constantly refill. During the weekends I'm less good about drinking as much water b/c I don't have it always within reach of my left side.

Totally.