The Michael Mann poll

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You ever think about how close the good guys and the bad guys really are to each other?

Poll Results

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Heat (1995) 14
Collateral (2004) 11
Miami Vice (2006) 9
The Insider (1999) 9
The Last of the Mohicans (1992) 5
Manhunter (1986) 5
The Keep (1983) 2
Ali (2001) 1
Thief (1981)0


kenan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Two words:

http://www.tatteredcoat.com/images/heat-pacino-buggy.jpg

GREAT ASS!!!

kenan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

He's such a crap director.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link

and so it begins.

kenan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

"None of the Above," but if I have to choose, I'll say Collateral.

Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Miami Vice is like heroin.

humansuit, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah Collateral.

That scene where Cruise beats the shit out of those dudes who think he's a pussy was A++++

W4LTER, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost yeah, I could totally see that again. But I have to go with Heat.

kenan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

MANHUNTER.

DO YOU SEE?

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted for collateral but i think i meant heat

river wolf, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Miami Vice (2006) - awesome awesome awesome
Collateral (2004) - awesomer
Ali (2001) - good, but kinda pales in comparison to actual footage of Ali
The Insider (1999) - haven't seen
Heat (1995) - reputation better than it deserves to be - but still awesome
The Last of the Mohicans (1992) - haven't seen in ages, but didn't care much for it then
Manhunter (1986) - this one is actually pretty crappy
The Keep (1983) - waht is this?
Thief (1981) - very underrated

I'm voting for Miami Vice just because.

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Isn't Rollins in Heat?
;_;

W4LTER, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

we get down if the play calls for it

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

"That's not what happens. What will happen is....what will happen is... I will put a round at 2700 feet per second in your medulla at the base of your brain, and you will be dead from the neck down before your body knows it. Your finger won’t even twitch. Only you get that. So tell me sport, do you believe that?"

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Yo Homies, is that my briefcase?

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Thief (1981) - very underrated

OTM. James Caan is fantastic in it.

kenan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

"There is 'undercover' and then there is 'which way is up.'"

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

"Dream much, Will?"

pisces, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Yo Homies, is that my briefcase?

-- milo z, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 09:40 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^^^AWESOME, thx.

W4LTER, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Miami Vice (2006) garbage
Collateral (2004) garbage
Ali (2001) pointless
The Insider (1999) decent enough
Heat (1995) good up until the last 45 minutes which are garbage
The Last of the Mohicans (1992) garbage
Manhunter (1986) some good performance, but mostly irritating
The Keep (1983) never seen
Thief (1981) nice score, but has James Caan starring in it.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

The Insider because, thankfully, he had a co-writer.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah I voted The Insider too.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

there are people who hate James Caan? This is news to me.

kenan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

What kind of heartless, fun-hating bastard hates Heat, Collateral AND Miami Vice?

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah they are people who hate bad overacting.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Tony Scott poll coming up soon, I think

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

The Insider's the only one that feels like he created and inhabited a world. Russell Crowe, Bruce McGill, and Diana Verona are all great.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

(xpost)Oooh that's a good one!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Miami Vice would have been a classic if only they'd gone the Robert Bresson route?

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

The Thief score by Tangerine Dream is very nice, but is also so dated it gets giggles.

kenan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

You gotta let Vice drip into your veins and FUCK your arteries.

humansuit, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, Rusty was good in the Insider, one of his better performances.

xposts

W4LTER, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

"Miami Vice would have been a classic if only they'd gone the Robert Bresson route?"

Haha possibly!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

what Mann score isn't dated within two weeks of release? Worst part of Collateral is when they're rolling slow through LA to the sweet, sweet strains of Audioslave.

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Miami Vice does make good use of Jay-Z/Linkin Park, though. The assault on the drug boats! So badass.

milo z, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Miami Vice. The Insider is pretty tolerable, tho, for blatant Oscar bait.

Eric H., Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

'cept Al's shameless angling for the bait wasn't noticed.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't really like Ali at all. :(

kenan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Me neither.

Eric H., Tuesday, 28 August 2007 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Collateralz
James Caan is great in Thief but the movie's not the greatest. the score is really good and really bad.
indsider was booooring. russell crowe looked like he was full up to the neck with feces

tremendoid, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

you could smell him?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Ali is the oscar bait, and it suffers because of it. Insider is great.

This one is tough.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I think everyone's misread what I wrote: I said "Al," as in, "Pacino." We really shouldn't discuss Ali in polite conversation.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

miami vice the show should really be in there

jhΓΈshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I really liked the insider.

Jeff, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

AH! I assumed it was a typo. Sorry.

kenan, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

to alfred, obv

kenan, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

"we've been made"

s.clover, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Miami Vice sucked. My rental DVD went kablooie when they were about to rescue the chick from the trailer with the fake-pizza-delivery-scam, and I didn't even bother asking for a replacement to finish it. Awful, awful, awful, and boring to boot.

I voted for Collateral.

Phil D., Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link

fuck manhunter haters YOU OWE IT AWE.

da croupier, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link

it is a tv show?

mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:48 (three months ago) link

Yeah. And Mann is exec producer.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:50 (three months ago) link

right, but luck didn't look like a tv show. maybe it's just the trailer.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:50 (three months ago) link

Mann directed the first episode of this, too.

He's also in pre-production on an Enzo Ferrari biopic starring Adam Driver. The Jez Butterworth screenplay that become Ford v. Ferrari was originally a Mann project.

He's getting up there in age. I hope we'll see another good movie from him.

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:57 (three months ago) link

Don't give a poop about a Ferrari movie - leave that shit to Ridley Scott - but I saw something about a Michael Mann sci-fi project ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2022 23:03 (three months ago) link

Ford v Ferrari was a good movie, though!

mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 23:18 (three months ago) link

I read the book Tokyo Vice is based on - looking forward to this

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 04:59 (three months ago) link

ugh ansel elgort. i'll watch this but still ugh.

na (NA), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 14:13 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

First episode is really good so far. Very Mann. Totally cold open. Looks beautiful.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 8 April 2022 23:31 (two months ago) link

Yeah, loved the opening, loved the setting and also how dialogue could seem credibly "stilted" given the cultural and language barriers between the characters.

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Friday, 8 April 2022 23:33 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

echoing the sentiment of THE THIEF being underrated i this poll, a glorious mess of a marxist parable

k3vin k., Monday, 25 April 2022 23:49 (two months ago) link

I watched Hacker (or Blackhat) yesterday and...it was pretty bad.
I LOVE Miami Vice (and mojitos) and this one had some Mann touches that were great (the glorious shots over HK or in the port at night for instance) but the whole thing is kind of a mess and doesn't gel or make sense imo (for instance the silly final fight).
and most of the actors didn't help (particularly bad acting/lack of charism for the heroine).
It all felt like an inferior, botched variation on MV.
It's surprising following the raving comments here but it just didn't work for me.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 09:31 (one month ago) link

Pop's been watching the tv Miami Vice for two weeks, so I'm treating him now to the movie.

as shitty as life has been lately, this is the good stuff!

Deez NFTs (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 17:21 (one month ago) link

watched the MV movie for the first time a few months ago and v much enjoyed its unabashed dad movie swag, Neanderthal i'm jealous that you are watching it with an actual dad. also the wife and i had great fun for weeks afterward spontaneously announcing to each other that we were fiends for mojitos.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 17:41 (one month ago) link

search ilx posts for "fiend for mojitos" and revel in the glory

mh, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 17:46 (one month ago) link

I tried watching Blackhat but scene where the (white) protagonist has the big idea of overlaying the routes of some couriers to the amazement of the Chinese cops was incredibly RMDE.

Human-shaped trash bag (Leee), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 17:49 (one month ago) link

i'm a disco guy

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 17:56 (one month ago) link

mh it all makes sense now

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 19:55 (one month ago) link

i'm a disco guy


Ahah aren’t we all ? John Ortiz is so cool in MV. He’s wasted in hackerblackhat

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 19:59 (one month ago) link

xp mojito eye open

mh, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 02:47 (one month ago) link

Thinking about the parallel between MV and hackerblackhat and about their respective main charachters :
the hero : crockett/hathaway
the sidekick : tubbs/dawai
the love interest : isabella/lien
the boss/colleague : trudy, lieutenant castillo / barrett, US marshal
the lil baddy : yero / kassar
the big baddy : montoya / sadak

They are ALL in a different league in MV, both the charachters and the actors performance.
Like do we even know what kind of music kassar enjoys, huh ?

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 10:01 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

added Thief to my list of awesome first films, there are many, and if someone wants to do a poll I can give you a lot of recommendations

Dan S, Saturday, 4 June 2022 01:36 (four weeks ago) link

From another thread:

Feel like someone should recut the end of Manhunter with Paradise by the Dashboard Light instead of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.

― sleep, that's where I'm the cousin of death (PBKR), Tuesday, June 7, 2022 3:28 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:15 (three weeks ago) link

Can’t believe Thief and Manhunter scored so low in the poll. His only essential movies alongside Heat

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 18:35 (three weeks ago) link

I think Thief might have been relatively low profile back when the poll was taken. It's subsequently been Criterion Collection-ed and whatnot so its reputation has grown. But yeah, it absolutely deserves to be number one here.

There's a Blu-Ray of Miami Vice sitting in my PO box right now; gonna pick it up tomorrow.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:38 (three weeks ago) link

Tokyo Vice renewed for second season.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:58 (three weeks ago) link

i was giving them the benefit of the doubt for employing sexual predator ansel elgort for s1, assuming it was shot before those accusations came out (like west side story), but i guess it doesn't bother HBO if they're going to keep him around for s2

na (NA), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 20:18 (three weeks ago) link

MIAMI VICE (both cuts) is now streaming on HBO Max pic.twitter.com/fkLIPKQQQa

— Chris Evangelista (@cevangelista413) June 1, 2022

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:32 (two weeks ago) link

is anyone here enough of a superfan/dad to read the heat 2 novel that's coming out this summer?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:32 (two weeks ago) link

McCauley lives!

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:33 (two weeks ago) link

I'm kind of inclined to listen to Heat 2 as an audiobook on long walks, just to experience the voices instead of sitting with it.

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:55 (two weeks ago) link

Also, did my annual-ish viewing of Miami Vice last night, and what stood out this time is the reflections of clouds on the water in a couple of scenes, especially the one on the first flight back that goes over...is that the Everglades?

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:59 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, I am waiting for that book.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 17 June 2022 20:05 (two weeks ago) link

shocked they didn't get it out in time for father's day tbh

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 17 June 2022 20:07 (two weeks ago) link

preparing the "Great Ass!" collector's edition and they ran behind

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 June 2022 20:08 (two weeks ago) link

Also, did my annual-ish viewing of Miami Vice last night, and what stood out this time is the reflections of clouds on the water in a couple of scenes, especially the one on the first flight back that goes over...is that the Everglades?

The sound on the Blu-Ray is astonishing. There were some explosions early on, when the Nazis murder the federal agent, that I swear lifted my couch off the floor. My wife came in from the next room, behind a closed door, to see what the fuck had just happened.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 17 June 2022 22:02 (two weeks ago) link

oh hell yeah, I haven't seen the cold open theatrical cut in years

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 17 June 2022 22:35 (two weeks ago) link

doing this tonight, but with the theatrical cut

me at 19: i need to watch new film a day so i can build extensive film knowledge in every category
me at 25: every single night im gonna get drunk and watch the first 30 minutes of miami vice until i pass out

— robert franco, wandering ronin (@responsiblerob) June 2, 2022

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 17 June 2022 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

The guy who plays the Nazi who says "pure, not that powdered shit you get in Nuyorico" is a local actor here. The week before the movie came out he was telling us he didn't know if he'd make the final cut.

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 June 2022 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

uh plz tell me about the heat 2 novel?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 June 2022 03:21 (two weeks ago) link

June 17th HEAT will screen in 4K at Tribeca, preceded by a conversation with myself, Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro and Art Linson, moderated by Bilge Ebiri. The 4K remaster of the film on Ultra HD disc is out August 9th, same day my novel HEAT 2 written with Meg Gardiner hits shelves. pic.twitter.com/PM9TWU8Vj8

— Michael Mann (@MichaelMann) June 12, 2022



pic.twitter.com/mgcMlPwHA0

— Michael Mann (@MichaelMann) January 19, 2022

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 18 June 2022 03:34 (two weeks ago) link

omg
i just added this to my local library hold list :D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 June 2022 03:43 (two weeks ago) link

The 80s-ness of both Thief and Manhunter is kind of thrilling in retrospect

Dan S, Sunday, 19 June 2022 00:49 (one week ago) link

the serious demeanors of the characters, the overwrought phrases (β€œsomeone should blow this sick fuck out of his sox”), the clothes, idealized home life and sentimentalized home furnishings, the macho man obsession, music, lurid photography, and everything else about it feel like a kind of peak for that era of mainstream Hollywood in retrospect

Dan S, Monday, 20 June 2022 00:50 (one week ago) link

(speaking of Manhunter)

Dan S, Monday, 20 June 2022 00:50 (one week ago) link

although I hate In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida every time I encounter it

Dan S, Monday, 20 June 2022 00:52 (one week ago) link

Loved hearing Shriekback and "This Big Hush" because of Manhunter. Though it also has the worst end-credits song ("Heartbeat").

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Monday, 20 June 2022 01:01 (one week ago) link

I didn't hate that

Dan S, Monday, 20 June 2022 01:22 (one week ago) link

Sometimes I,
Sometimes I,
Sometimes I understand it very clearly

those lyrics were kind of a summation of that movie

Dan S, Monday, 20 June 2022 01:36 (one week ago) link

I sometimes wonder who had the better grasp of musical undercurrents in the '80s, Michael Mann or John Hughes.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 June 2022 02:22 (one week ago) link


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