OPO: Nicolas Cage's Worst Movie

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to paraphrase Greil Marcus: "Rarely has anyone betrayed his talent so completely."

Poll Results

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The Wicker Man (2006) .... Edward Malus 7
8MM (1999) .... Tom Welles 6
It Could Happen to You (1994) .... Charlie Lang 4
Captain Corelli's Mandolin (2001) .... Captain Antonio Corelli 3
Face/Off (1997) .... Castor Troy/Sean Archer 3
Gone in Sixty Seconds (2000) .... Randall 'Memphis' Raines 3
World Trade Center (2006) .... John McLoughlin 3
Fire Birds (1990) .... Jake Preston 2
The Rock (1996) .... Dr. Stanley Goodspeed 2
Con Air (1997) .... Cameron Poe 2
Leaving Las Vegas (1995) .... Ben Sanderson 2
Ghost Rider (2007) .... Johnny Blaze/Ghost Rider 2
National Treasure (2004) .... Ben Gates 2
Zandalee (1991) .... Johnny Collins 1
City of Angels (1998) .... Seth 1
Sonny (2002) .... Acid Yellow 1
Moonstruck (1987) .... Ronny Cammareri 0
Tempo di uccidere (1991) .... Enrico Silvestri 0
Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982) (as Nicolas Coppola) .... Brad's Bud0
Valley Girl (1983) .... Randy 0
Wild at Heart (1990) .... Sailor Ripley 0
Rumble Fish (1983) .... Smokey 0
Vampire's Kiss (1989) .... Peter Loew 0
Racing with the Moon (1984) .... Nicky/Bud 0
The Cotton Club (1984) .... Vincent Dwyer 0
Birdy (1984) .... Sergeant Al Columbato 0
The Boy in Blue (1986) .... Ned Hanlan 0
Peggy Sue Got Married (1986) .... Charlie Bodell 0
Raising Arizona (1987) .... H.I. McDunnough 0
Red Rock West (1992) .... Michael Williams 0
Honeymoon in Vegas (1992) .... Jack Singer 0
Deadfall (1993) .... Eddie 0
The Weather Man (2005) .... David Spritz 0
Lord of War (2005) .... Yuri Orlov 0
Matchstick Men (2003) .... Roy Waller 0
Adaptation. (2002) .... Charlie Kaufman/Donald Kaufman 0
Next (2007) .... Cris Johnson - 'Frank Cadillac' 0
Windtalkers (2002) .... Sergeant Joe Enders 0
Christmas Carol: The Movie (2001) (voice) .... Jacob Marley 0
The Family Man (2000) .... Jack Campbell 0
Bringing Out the Dead (1999) .... Frank Pierce 0
Snake Eyes (1998) .... Rick Santoro 0
Kiss of Death (1995/I) .... Little Junior Brown 0
Trapped in Paradise (1994) .... Bill Firpo 0
Guarding Tess (1994) .... Doug Chesnic 0
Amos & Andrew (1993) .... Amos Odell 0
The Ant Bully (2006) (voice) .... Zoc 0


Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link

This poll can only be conscientiously completed by dummies who have bothered to sit through most of this shit.

I have carefully avoided most of his films since Guarding Tess.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I LOVED Face/Off.

Beth Parker, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Preview for National Treasure II before Superbad made me LOL as much as the preview for the Harold & Kumar sequel.

n/a, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, Face/Off is awesome.

n/a, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link

it's just kind of... staggering? to look at his entire career. Such a mountain of bad material collected in one place.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

There are plenty of decent post-Guarding Tess movies on here: Adaptation, Lord of War, Matchstick Men, Face/Off, Con-Air (shut up). Of those, probably only Adaptation is a "great movie" but they are all watchable or have strong Cage performances.

n/a, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

(this thread prompted by the repeated airings of "City of Angels" on AMC over the last weekend)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

8mm8mm8mm8mm8mm8mm8mm8mm8mm

DavidM, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link

(Mental image of Shakey Mo watching "City of Angels" and masturbating to the thought of a dead Nicolas Cage)

n/a, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Rarely has anyone betrayed his talent so completely

What talent?

Tom D., Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

The Wicker Man (2006) .... Edward Malus

hint hint

, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link

(Mental image of Shakey Mo watching "City of Angels" and masturbating to the thought of a dead Nicolas Cage)

dood leave me out of your fantasies

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow, I can't believe I've actually seen 10 of these films... a bit much, right? Though there are some of those 10 were good, well, maybe just Raising Arizona. I can't say I didn't enjoy at least some of the not-so-good ones, though.

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

*that

[10 *that were good]

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

wicker man is the worst worst worst by a mile and a half and a factor of 2

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Since his Oscar win for the hetero-alky porn fantasy, I have only seen Adaptation, Bringing Out the Dead, and Face/Off, and yes he was OK to excellent in all of those. Learn to smell the shit w/out watching.

I wd've been OK with him winning an Oscar for Adaptation or Raising Arizona.

"Nic Cage is no longer an actor. He could be again, but now he's more like a... performer." - Sean Penn, 1999

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

He's really not as bad as everyone sez he is. There are at least half-a-dozen good films on this list.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm voting for National Treasure btw just for the 20 minutes I saw of it, even though the preview for the sequel looks even worse.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I saw 15 of his films *before* LLV, in the '80s missing only The Boy in Blue.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Of the ones I've actually seen, 8mm was the most reprehensible, but Con Air the stupidest. I'd really like to call it a tie, but 8mm had Tony Soprano sucking a gun like a dick, so Con Air.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I have to vote for The Wicker Man, because... why? WHY?! YOU MANIACS, YOU REMADE THE WICKER MAN!

kenan, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I forgot about Matchstick Men yesterday when we were talking about this. That's a good movie too.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I saw that Wicker Man has the widow from Deadwood in it. Is there tittay?

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link

dude there's tittay in deadwood!

gff, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

and that should stop me from seeking out more why?

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Basically Nicolas Cage should have just stayed a character actor and never been "promoted" to the action hero/lead role. So it's usually pretty easy to tell which of his movies are going to be good (the quirkier ones that actually involve acting and stories) and which ones are going to be terrible (the big blockbusters). Face/Off and Con-Air are the exceptions, as the big blockbusters that are insane enough to be enjoyable.

n/a, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

It was a tough choice between 8MM and City of Angels, but I chose the former.

Can't see what all the hate is for though, most of his films I've seen have been either good or great: Birdy, Peggy Sue Got Married, Raising Arizona, Moonstruck, Wild at Heart, The Rock, Bringing Out the Dead, Adaptation, Matchstick Men, The Weather Man... That's not a bad average.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i concede your point, Oilyrags.

gff, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

8mm is so stupid

gff, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

lol I think the only person who likes National Treasure. It's a mindbogglingly silly rip-off of the Da Vinci Code and therefore about ten times more fun.

I'm going with Sonny - saw that once on TV and couldn't believe I wasted a couple of hours of my life on it.

Roz, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Ignoring Deadfall (which was basically a family-inspired cameo anyway), I find his making FIVE banal romantic comedies in a row really fascinating, especially when it comes right after a near decade of inspired insanity. From Kiss Of Death on it's pretty varied.

da croupier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

don't get me wrong there's a bunch of good, interesting performances up through at least Wild At Heart, but from the early 90s on - oof what a slide.

Personally I love him in Peggy Sue Got Married ("You don't know ZIP!" "I've got the TEETH, I've got the HAIR" etc.), Raising Arizona, Valey Girl, Moonstruck, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

8mm is one of the worst movies evar - but i havent seen most of these

jhøshea, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost to self: actually, just banal comedies. Amos & Andrew and Trapped In Paradise weren't really romantic (outside of potential homoerotic subtext).

I can't really answer this poll because while I've seen a lot of crappy Cage movies, there are plenty I've ignored as well.

da croupier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Guarding Tess was hella romantic though.

da croupier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

In fact, I think The Weather Man was one of the best movies I've seen this decade, and lot of it was due to Cage and Michael Caine. But because it wasn't an indie movie with and indie director and indie actors, it got a lot less cinephile attention than, say, Wes Anderson's movies.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

It's alright, Roz, I liked National Treasure too, you're not alone. Of the one's I've seen, I think "It Could Happen To You" is the one I'd least like to see again. Though I'm guessing there are worse that I haven't seen because of my internal quality control (would I be right in saying that The Weather Man is pointless and not very good?).

um, xpost

ailsa, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

(ignore random apostrophe there plz)

ailsa, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

think The Weather Man was one of the best movies I've seen this decade, and lot of it was due to Cage and Michael Caine

Two of my least favourite actors in one film - thank Buddha I've never seen it

Tom D., Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link

how can anybody hate Michael Caine

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

All these movies you guys are mentioning are worse than _Ghost Rider_?

Sundar, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Like I told Shakey on another poll yesterday, Nicolas Cage was BORN to sell out, so there's no need to rend our garments over a talent betrayed. The burden of proof is to show otherwise.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted for "Wicker Man", based on the clips I've seen on "YouTube". If there's a worse one than that, I don't want to even know about it.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

how can anybody hate Michael Caine

Ha ha, I don't hate him, I just don't think he's a very good actor - though he has occasionally been good.

Now Michael Caine's Worst Movie - where would you start?!??!

Tom D., Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

you are talking a pile of poo re: Michael Caine.

But the answer to that poll is Jaws 4: The Revenge.

kenan, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, Peter O'Toole, he's another one

Tom D., Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

The one in which he won a lottery, what was that named?

Heave Ho, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Jaws 4 no question

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

The Wicker Man might be my favorite movie of his since Snake Eyes, even if that opinion is smothered in irony sauce.

x-post to Heave Ho: It Could Happen To You

da croupier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

brando is turning in his piano right now

Edward III, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

ho snap

HI DERE, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

that quote's kind of awesome. i'm using it.

latebloomer, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

just be careful in the wrong hands that quote could be dangerous

Edward III, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

"With great megaroffles comes great responsibility."

latebloomer, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I kind of want to see "The Wicker Man" if only because he spends part of it in a bear suit punching out women.

You kind of NEED to see the Wicker Man, but make sure you watch the unrated side of the disc. The BEES are not on the PG13-rated cut.

da croupier, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

the minute he held up the girl at gunpoint and stole her bike i knew i was witnessing something special

latebloomer, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Cage could easily turn his career around just by picking better movies. I think his acting chops are generally pretty well respected; he's certainly not someone who makes me cringe.

His movie selection perplexes me. You can't completely call him a sell out because he occasionally does offbeat things like The Wicker Man or The Weather Man. Yet neither can you label him as one of those actors who does a big budget film every once in a while so that they can sustain their supposed true love of more independent films; he just does way too many of those crap films.

One way for me to rationalize it is that maybe he's just a complete professional, meaning he no longer cares about a legacy or fame or defining himself. He just gets a role, does it (and does it well), and then moves on.

Wookie Rookie, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

My gut feeling was face/off

W4LTER, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Nicholas Cage = the Robert Mitchum of nineties action movies

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Zandalee is the only answer. The only answer is Zandalee.

Bob Standard, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

8mm was so lame. i've always wanted to read the original script, supposedly it got dumbed down in the translation.

latebloomer, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Sunday, 26 August 2007 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i voted wicker man of course but man he's done some crap.

aaaaaaand... i agree with shakey regarding adaptation! not to mention the player did the exact same thing like 10 years before!! how come no one remembers that??

s1ocki, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link

people voting for the wicker man kinda need to realize that the WORST is probably the one you didn't laugh all the way through.

da croupier, Monday, 27 August 2007 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link

i forgot that captain corelli's mandolin was a film that existed. fuck you people for reminding me that it did.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Monday, 27 August 2007 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link

people voting for the wicker man kinda need to realize that the WORST is probably the one you didn't laugh all the way through.

-- da croupier, Monday, August 27, 2007 6:06 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

otm

latebloomer, Monday, 27 August 2007 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link

seconded.

I don't see city of angels getting the hate it so rightfully deserves.

jessie monster, Monday, 27 August 2007 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link

that goo goo dolls ballad...*shivers*

latebloomer, Monday, 27 August 2007 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha, I haven't seen too many, so I'm not going to vote. I do recall starting to hate Nicholas Cage when a friend turned out to not only be a fan, but practically forced me to sit through Leaving Las Vegas. Argh. Same day I found out that the fellow had scat-porn stored on his computer.

Anyhoo, I'm just posting because this entertained me: I looked up "It could happen to you" to see if that was the awful, awful thing with Rosie Perez (least likable actress ever?), and what do I see?
Also Known As: Cop Gives Waitress $2 Million Tip! (USA) (working title)

Awesome!

Øystein, Monday, 27 August 2007 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Monday, 27 August 2007 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Honeymoon in Vegas (1992) .... Jack Singer 0

Tsk.

Mark G, Monday, 27 August 2007 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

oh fucking dammit i could have helped 8mm tie for first. wtf kind of p.i. never heard of snuff films ???!!!

tremendoid, Monday, 27 August 2007 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

no in the movie he was aware of them. still what a shitty shitty movie.

latebloomer, Monday, 27 August 2007 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i can' believe i've seen 25 of these movies.

anyway, i finally watched The Weather Man last night and i really liked it! i only watched it cuz i actually like bad nic cage movies so i figured this was just one more and i had completely forgotten what it was about or any reviews of it that i might have read. so, it was a surprise. i mean, it's not perfect or anything, but it had some really good funny/cringeworthy moments. and unlike most male pattern baldness midlife crisis mad-as-hell-not-gonna-etc movies there was no big fake explosion moment where the character just decides to let it all hang out and act irrationally and smoke pot and make a big speech about how he doesn't give a fuck anymore. the ending is actually pretty weird. i didn't really know where things would end up and i liked that.

scott seward, Sunday, 21 June 2009 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I like that movie quite a bit I voted for it on the Michael Caine poll he's pretty good in this.

Eastürzendes Annoybaten (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 21 June 2009 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

The Family Man got no votes. lol

III IV V (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Monday, 22 June 2009 00:07 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

The one positive review:

It's creaky, predictable and frequently idiotic. But for a tipsy Saturday night, this should tick all the right boxes.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 January 2011 15:35 (ten years ago) link

with friends like that

all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 7 January 2011 15:37 (ten years ago) link

totally read that as "lick all the right boxes"

da croupier, Friday, 7 January 2011 16:43 (ten years ago) link

deffo gonna peep season o' the witch dis weekend

Princess TamTam, Friday, 7 January 2011 16:48 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2011/feb/19/nicholas-cage-bad-film-guide

the problem i have with cage is that i even like his shit films. well apart from ghost rider, that was the absolute worst.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 21 February 2011 14:08 (ten years ago) link

drive angry is shit... not as bad as bangkok dangerous or whatever it was called

Guardian commenters unusually OTM. Don't write about Nic Cage if you don't even like Face/Off and Con Air.

Lord of War is underrated.

I've been dancing since 9 and I'm tired and hungry (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 21 February 2011 14:20 (ten years ago) link

actually i meant bangkok dangerous. that one was pretty shit. but i really liked the sorcerers apprentice!

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 21 February 2011 15:55 (ten years ago) link

My wife was watching National Treasure yesterday and that is such an awful movie. It made Da Vinci Code look like Citizen Kane.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 February 2011 16:02 (ten years ago) link

yeah Lord Of War i'd put up there with Matchstick Men as one of the few later Cage flicks that's just a perfectly good movie

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 16:12 (ten years ago) link

Bad Lieutenant may be may favorite Cageflick, it seemed to have sank like a stone but if you like Nic Cage as much as I do you should enjoy it; it's basically Nic Cage flipping out on random people for a good hour and a half. Very much like The Vampire's Kiss (another A+ flick in my book). I don't think he's ever made a bad movie. Even the terrible stuff like Season of the Witch or Ghost Rider is at least funny because he's in it. Also, keep in mind that these are my favorite things that Nic Cage has ever done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYkw-5htPw0

frogbs, Monday, 21 February 2011 16:40 (ten years ago) link

"I don't think he's ever made a bad movie."

I believe it when people say he's totally without self-awareness because NEXT would have been saved if
Cage was at all aware about what it is people want to see him for, instead of playing a corpse the entire movie.
Even worse than Affleck's stab at PKD.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 21 February 2011 17:38 (ten years ago) link

I admire Cage as an actor because he seemingly does not give a shit about what roles he takes and whether it's good for his actorly "reputation". Of course this means that he'll appear in lots of shitty movies but 9/10 times they're watchable because of him.

pre-prison, prison, and post-prison (latebloomer), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:22 (ten years ago) link

I think my personal Nick Cage turning point was Wicker Man, because no other actor could pull that kind of ridiculousness off. Wicker Man would just be a bad remake of a classic horror flick instead of a hilariously batshit bad remake of a horror classic.

pre-prison, prison, and post-prison (latebloomer), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:29 (ten years ago) link

I was down on Cage for a while then saw him in Kick-Ass, where he was gold through and through--he knew exactly what to do with that role. Very disappointed that the makers of the Green Hornet flick didn't let him do his jamaican-accented bad guy.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:24 (ten years ago) link

I think my personal Nick Cage turning point was Wicker Man, because no other actor could pull that kind of ridiculousness off.

That's basically why I like the man so much. Lots of his roles - The Vampire's Kiss, The Weather Man, Bad Lieutenant, Kick-Ass, etc. etc. just could not be done by anyone else. I mean the guy acts like a lunatic in every movie (and his off-screen persona backs this up) and plays every role 110%. The scene where he eats a cockroach in "Vampire's Kiss" wasn't even in the script!! He just suggested, "I think it would be better if I ate a cockroach here", so he did it. Daaamn

frogbs, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:00 (ten years ago) link

yeah idg how anyone can hate on someone this batshit - he's game for anything. Nothing's beneath this guy. If Tommy Wiseau wanted him to play a dog he'd probably do it. you gotta avoid half his films like the plague but I can't imagine a cinema without him. Also would love to see a super-insider doc about him blowing his millions.

Cosmo Vitelli, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:05 (ten years ago) link

eight years pass...

Ouch. "A Score To Settle" (2019). OUCH!
Has a death scene to rival that of Peter Sellers' bugler in "The Party". Not kidding.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 23:26 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Still doin it:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6372694/

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 23:04 (four days ago) link

Whether that's gonna be good or not probably depends on how much one would want to see Boomtown Festival: The Movie

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 23:16 (four days ago) link

Impressed that there's barely any mention of Deadfall itt. But it may actually be the greatest of all his performances so maybe it has no place here.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 23:28 (four days ago) link


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