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Jeff W, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't it like BBC Knowledge but, like, the same?

(And is there a BBC Three?)

Graham, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

BBC 4 = relaunch of BBC Knowledge (which is totally ace)

BBC 3 = relaunch of BBC Choice (which is totally lame, and apparently targetted at my age group)

N., Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Who has watched C-Beebies?

N., Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, apparently it's free - you just need a digital TV or receiver. Website. They are broadcasting one of Björk's Opera House gigs soon.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently C-Beebies has a show called 'Blue Peter: UNLEASHED', which may be my favourite program title of all time.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

If there is one thing which should never be let off of its leash, its Blue Peter. Imagine the damage it could do.

Pete, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It might turn into Magpie!

N., Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

causing mass consternation across the Home Counties!!

ahhhh Leslie Judd.

chris, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

seventeen years pass...

Always a disappointment when an interesting looking documentary starts and then Neil Oliver swans up

FBPRieu (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:04 (ten months ago) link

Oh by the way calz PBS America are doing a Dan Snow day, I lolled.

This is gonna be my moaning about documentaries but still sitting thru them thread from now on

FBPRieu (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:05 (ten months ago) link

https://www.essexlifemag.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.5499669!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg

here he is exhuming his grandad's corpse so he can bum it (again)

calzino, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:16 (ten months ago) link

Lol Google has our chinless nepotee confused with some dude who appeared in a couple of Toxic Avenger movies, check it out

FBPRieu (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 20:24 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Andrew Graham-Dixon talking about Dutch masters is my ASMR

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 December 2019 01:52 (nine months ago) link

Love these documentaries that spend hours trying to get you to empathise with the mindset of an executed tyrant and zero minutes imagining what went thru the minds of his victims

a very powerful woman in the dog world (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 December 2019 21:48 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

This turtle cam no voice-over documentary is exactly the balm my poor useless brain needs right now

The Masked Zinger (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 January 2020 19:46 (eight months ago) link

Oh wait he just savaged a jellyfish that was a bit harsh

The Masked Zinger (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 January 2020 19:48 (eight months ago) link

Just watched this and its brilliant! I hate jellyfish so it was good to see one get hacked at

boxedjoy, Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:00 (eight months ago) link

I thought this was really good for being so still and silent. At first it felt like an Ecco The Dolphin walkthrough played on mute but there was something about it that was fascinating, a calmness that seems so at odds with how TV is made in 2020.

boxedjoy, Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:02 (eight months ago) link

jellyfish are bacterial space aliens that are taking over the marine world- it's war! And in the future will probably be our only alternative food source to the old long pig as we go forwards into the abyss.

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:06 (eight months ago) link

not watched this yet, but less presenters sounds like a good way for the bbc to go.

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:07 (eight months ago) link

BBC4 have done a few of these slow TV things, I mostly love them. There was a fantastic flight over the Great Wall of China from east to west last year, lasted a couple of hours, beautiful. Sleigh ride thru northern Norway (iirc) is aces too

The Masked Zinger (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:08 (eight months ago) link

Earlier I listened to John Luther Adams: Become Ocean/Become Desert back to back, a bit off topic but it felt really good and the audio version of slow tv.

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:20 (eight months ago) link

Yeah JLA is the business

The Masked Zinger (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 January 2020 23:22 (eight months ago) link

Slow New Zealand last night was brilliant. sociohistorically or even landscape-wise I wasn't that excited for it but formally it felt like one of the most minimal yet, not too busy with the sur-titles and just gently drifting along until it sailed off into the southern ocean. tbf I was watching with a friend and we didn't give it total attention but it was crazy how it just kept meandering its way with no clear rationale once they left the train. The sheer joy of no voice-over is one of BBC4's finest achievements and I want at least one of these every week, forever.

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 January 2020 19:33 (eight months ago) link

Was aware of it but didn't settle down to watch it but isn't there something about "we didn't give it total attention"? - I often think of this about music I've heard at friend's houses. It's just on but you hear it and it is great.

djh, Monday, 20 January 2020 20:25 (eight months ago) link

these shows are built for drifting in and out of, yeah.

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 January 2020 20:26 (eight months ago) link

Can't watch Janina Ramirez without thinking "fuck off, melt" any more 😢

I mean her voice is still less unbearable than Tony Cunt Robinson but still

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 January 2020 16:44 (eight months ago) link

"Edith Bowman talks to Sam Mendes in The Life Cinematic"

you have got to be shitting me

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:02 (seven months ago) link

if you put the title of his latest movie into a calculator and turn it upside down it almost spells shit - makes u think!

calzino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:04 (seven months ago) link

Sometimes I wonder if BBC4 knows who it's for and then sometimes I worry it really does

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:05 (seven months ago) link

i have to admit, when i hear dire warnings about bbc funding and some senior manager says 'for that money we'd have to close bbc four, radio 4extra and two other digital channels' i'm like.... wow don't throw me in the briar patch

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:11 (seven months ago) link

No Beeb4 would pretty much finish me for BBC tv

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:16 (seven months ago) link

i dunno man, i feel like.... if it's good enough put it on bbc 2. if it's too niche make it iplayer only. you don't need a whole channel.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:22 (seven months ago) link

can you get i-player on freeview? I know it is probably a dumb question and there are other options etc.. but I've just never found it.

calzino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:25 (seven months ago) link

I could do without a lot of the stuff on 4 sure, and 95 percent of pop music docs or Edith Bowman gladhanding terrible Brit directors just feels v wrong, but I feel like they've used the existence of 4 to syphon off all the good and rigorous documentaries from BBC2 which has been reduced to god awful "people going about their everyday lives somewhere vaguely scenic" or Michael fucking Portillo docs. I guess if you axed 4 then 2 could go back to being a bit more grown up but I wouldn't hold my breath

Better use of iplayer would be a good strategy, yeah. Some of it feels a bit unkempt and uncared for at the moment. I think there's gonna be a smart tv accessible Sounds soon? That'll be a godsend tbh

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:28 (seven months ago) link

Calz you can get iplayer with a smart tv or thru some games consoles

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:30 (seven months ago) link

Yeah I think I've got a smart tv, but it always completely flummoxes me when I'm trying to find i-player! It probably would be easier using the PS4.

calzino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:35 (seven months ago) link

Yeah if you've got a PS4 it should be straightforward I think, I used my PS3 for years before I got this telly

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:38 (seven months ago) link

yeah you can install iPlayer for free from the playstation store.

Sounds is coming to various smart TV platforms and set-top boxes but it'll take a long time to reach all of them. there's a zillion slightly different versions of, say, Freeview Play, or YouView, one for each make/model of TV. i think a PS4 version of Sounds is still probably a long way off.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:50 (seven months ago) link

Rise of the Nazis was quite good and shockingly on BBC2. Although it's currently not available on i-player even though it only went out last autumn. That's a common complaint I have with i-player because I'll either just deprive myself of precious viewing pleasure or maybe even just download a torrent of something I want to see rather than pay a penny for britbox on the chance they have content I've already paid for once that isn't currently on i-player.

calzino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:52 (seven months ago) link

Not that I always go looking for Nazi content, but Vol 2 of the Volker Ullrich Hitler biog drops next week!

calzino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:55 (seven months ago) link

If you don’t use iplayer they make you register an account

steer karma (gyac), Thursday, 30 January 2020 22:03 (seven months ago) link

there's a zillion slightly different versions of, say, Freeview Play, or YouView, one for each make/model of TV.

lol not so smart

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 January 2020 22:12 (seven months ago) link

computers are dumb and they make people dumb

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 January 2020 22:16 (seven months ago) link

computers and television - never the twain should meet!

calzino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 22:19 (seven months ago) link

OK maybe just shut it down

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 February 2020 22:39 (seven months ago) link

I miss those days when you could kick a yuppie about in the street!

calzino, Monday, 3 February 2020 22:46 (seven months ago) link

I was living in a bedsit in plumstead/woolwich and doing a nightshift in a factory at the time this risible garbage aired originally, talk about different strokes for different folks! When you see all these pathetic melts creaming themselves over it, it reminds me why I'm such a sad angry old sad bastard!

calzino, Monday, 3 February 2020 23:07 (seven months ago) link

I've got no ish with what other people enjoy really, but it's a bit much filling up one of the only channels I watch with some nostalgia soap.

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 February 2020 23:18 (seven months ago) link

It's definitely a loss for me, and NV otm, if anything they'd need more Four.

I mean, I get it, I suppose, but it's another 'flattening of the curve' of what's on offer.

obviously BBC2 is now suddenly gonna become less Lifestyle

yeah right

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 10:32 (four months ago) link

iPlayer is just a way of shutting off potentially good, interesting stuff the BBC has the potential to do to generations that care for it, and surely making the phasing off the BBC easier in future.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 May 2020 10:36 (four months ago) link

That's more of a question.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 May 2020 10:38 (four months ago) link

i don't know what i think about it in terms of the purpose and future of the BBC tbh, i'm speaking purely from personal likes and disappointment at the moment.

i still believe that on balance it's good that the Beeb exists. the balance gets closer all the time tho.

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 10:41 (four months ago) link

> i can just use the iPlayer

they (my department bosses!) keep talking about an ip-only future but that's just adding such a hurdle to access - the tech and the *cost* of the tech. decent, video-capable internet access isn't free.

that said, bbc4 does seem to me like a lost opportunity sometimes, mostly when lucy worsley is on. would hope the scandi-dramas continue on bbc2.

koogs, Friday, 15 May 2020 10:45 (four months ago) link

you diss St Lucy again and i swear i will cut you

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 10:45 (four months ago) link

(i say that even though in other tabs of this very browser i have tickets open for my part in improving the live-streaming capacity)

koogs, Friday, 15 May 2020 10:49 (four months ago) link

i did find it funny the scorn piled on Nish for sharing a HH clip pointing out that all the "English" things weren't english at all when, based on the clips i've seen (not many) LW seems to do that all the time (whilst dressed up as a elizabethan prostitute)

koogs, Friday, 15 May 2020 10:51 (four months ago) link

is kind of right given how TV works now but it'd be easy to apply that logic to the whole of BBC TV if that's the argument.
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Leaving aside the general anger at the BBC I wasn't automatically applying it to the BBC TV, but this channel is diabolical. The creation of it was probably a lack of nerve on part of the BBC in the first place anyway. Let's shut that 'difficult' stuff away in a box (and it's another corner, a smaller one and further away each time).

And lack of nerve is everywhere in it's approach to any thought. Not sure why this is a loss because it breaks out of that and makes a nice program now and then?

xps

xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 May 2020 10:56 (four months ago) link

i don't think shutting BBC4 is going to lead to a backwash of thoughtful programming into the remaining broadcast channels

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 10:58 (four months ago) link

"breaking out and making a nice programme now and then" is precisely the reason it's a pleasure and i expect no more BBC4 to mean a reduction in pleasure

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 10:59 (four months ago) link

do you really enjoy Lucy Worsley's Royal Photo Album? not judging, just asking because personally it would cause me to engage with the television in a very unpleasant shouting and cussing manner until it got killed!

calzino, Friday, 15 May 2020 11:04 (four months ago) link

I don't think anyone here does but the making of it is a problem.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 May 2020 11:06 (four months ago) link

Lucy Worsley is a good historian imo, i don't watch everything she does religiously but she brings content most of the time

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 11:07 (four months ago) link

xp as i say xyzz i'm talking selfishly. my watch ration between BBC 1, 2 and 4 is probably something like 1:4:40 so i'm gonna miss BBC 4

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 11:09 (four months ago) link

BBC Three demonstrates that if you keep a very clear audience fixed in your mind and commission relentlessly for it, you can do great things, even if you’re iPlayer only. (Their comedy has been comprehensively terrible though imo)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 May 2020 11:09 (four months ago) link

Lucy Worsley is a good historian imo, i don't watch everything she does religiously but she brings content most of the time

It's either that or Neil Oliver dressed as an Elizabethan prostitute.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 15 May 2020 11:11 (four months ago) link

I used to like Bartlett a lot but he hasn't been given a slot since his Plantagenets series, a lot of the new BBC history crew are awful, I don't mean Beard but that useless goth and nice but Dimbo Snow are examples of absolute unwatchable mediocrity.

calzino, Friday, 15 May 2020 11:11 (four months ago) link

yeah i guess i'm judging Worsley against people like those two (and Neil Bloody Oliver) and it's no contest

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 11:13 (four months ago) link

The Plantagenets series is a good one, yeah

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 May 2020 11:14 (four months ago) link

his series on the (other) Norman Conquests was good stuff as well.

calzino, Friday, 15 May 2020 11:16 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Lucy W on the Romanoffs: "bringing the dynasty to its tragic and bloody end" but she says "bloody" like she loves it really

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 20:05 (one month ago) link

I demand a gratuitously violent and gleeful description of daft Nicky's brains decorating that dingy cellar wall before I believe that!

I still haven't watched The Rise of the Murdoch Dynasty, apparently it is good by bbc standards.

calzino, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 20:22 (one month ago) link

She told the Alexander II assassination with a degree of relish

I have a huge crush, there's no reasoning with me

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 20:25 (one month ago) link

She's pretty much taking a "he asked for it" line on Nicholas II

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 20:58 (one month ago) link

conscripting people who many of whom lived in medieval serfdom into fighting on a battlefield where many of them didn't have boots or bullets against one of the best equipped armies in the world and were getting harvested like corn was a shit move for sure!

calzino, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 21:07 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

classic Eastenders, hour after hour of boomer pop music, the paucity of good new documentaries... Yeah, shut the fucker down, I've come to peace with it

no ifs, no buts, no scampo nation (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 21:56 (one month ago) link

THANK YOU

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:10 (one month ago) link

1xtra's lost half its under-25 listenership in the last 5 years and yet they carry on serving up this shit. what is its identity? if it were a radio station which station would it be? three quarters of the time it would be Radio 2, the other quarter.. 4extra?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:12 (one month ago) link

sorry the 1xtra stat was a bit extraneous, i just mean... there are better places to be spending money

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:13 (one month ago) link

"the paucity of good new documentaries"

the lobotomised garbage they put out these days compared to the last few decades up to about.. erm idk but the last decade has seen a steep decline/dumbing down/commitment to a tediously myopic mediocre worldview that makes Margaret MacMillan sound like an angry radical.

calzino, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:33 (one month ago) link

Probably need another thread for another day because it's mainly just me but the archival stuff on iPlayer gives you a taste of how the Beeb used to make factual programming and I'd love more access to more if it's available but I'm starting to think that the well of good stuff is just not deep, not only from the BBC but in the English-speaking world. Or more likely there's just not enough of us who want factual programming that rivals the depth of books and I shd just give up on looking for it

no ifs, no buts, no scampo nation (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:41 (one month ago) link

In some small way I don't think that closing BBC4 will improve documentary production but I accept it's probably not worth it for the half dozen gems we get a year if we're lucky

no ifs, no buts, no scampo nation (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:44 (one month ago) link

I didn't fight in the Ashley Jackson wars and call him a fraudulent grey thatched sunday painter arsehole when i saw him painting on the moors, just to return home and click on i-player and see an apparently serious Bob Ross documentary!

calzino, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:49 (one month ago) link

I still have a soft spot for Alistair Cooke's America tv series from '72 and have re-watched a few times, so it isn't like i can't appreciate people with different views from mine doing history, it's not as simple as fucking tory wankers/melts ruining the quality, there are too many mediocrities who even if they are qualified - they are simply not good enough to do the job they are paid to.

calzino, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 23:03 (one month ago) link

I enjoyed the African stuff on the other day - the thing with Ade and the art-focused thing on Ethiopia.

koogs, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 23:04 (one month ago) link

And Samira's three parter about Persia, recently.

koogs, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 23:05 (one month ago) link

xp

that is more of an observational documentary though innit? not seen it yet but it looks decent.

calzino, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 23:12 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Mary Beard's Julius Caesar documentary this week was so bad that I turned it off twice.

Opening pointless scene of somebody giving birth, "not many people know that the C in C Section stands for Caesarean" ffs, turned over

Flipped back 30 minutes later "not many people know that July is named after Julius Caesar" ffmfffs, OFF

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 September 2020 13:04 (three weeks ago) link

prof Judith Herrin is my latest fave ageing history/late antiquity academic, can't remember if any of her tv/radio programs were any cop but her Byzantine book is decent.

that delightful late 80's Studs Terkel Omnibus is deffo worth catching while its still on i-player

calzino, Friday, 4 September 2020 13:23 (three weeks ago) link

Oh I'll look for that

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 September 2020 14:08 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, that was good 😊

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 5 September 2020 22:02 (three weeks ago) link

David Olusoga’s excellent documentary ‘Africa Turns the Page: The Novels That Shaped A Continent’ is up on BBC iPlayer for a few weeks. So many great writers, I wish it’d been a six-parter. https://t.co/pNUpMLSrcv

— David Hayden (@seventydys) September 10, 2020

I caught some of this last night. The bit on Emechetta was pretty well done.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 September 2020 08:36 (two weeks ago) link

that African Writers Series looked appealing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Writers_Series

there are 270...

koogs, Thursday, 10 September 2020 08:50 (two weeks ago) link

Thursday Film Night. Not sure whether this smacks of desperation or not, especially seeing as the film in question was shown on bbc2 the previous weekend. (Casablanca last week, Zhivago this week).

koogs, Monday, 21 September 2020 03:20 (one week ago) link

i regret to report that this daft preening cunt is at it again

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eib2eClXgAEznQ4?format=png&name=900x900

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 September 2020 12:22 (one week ago) link

This has to be parody. It just has to.

Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 21 September 2020 12:31 (one week ago) link

Nah, he's the real tartan gammon deal

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 September 2020 12:31 (one week ago) link

I hope he at least expands on the life forms that fare well with communism.

Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 21 September 2020 12:36 (one week ago) link


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