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I couldn't find the old thread where we were talking about this, so here's a new one.

First of all Sanoodi is awesome. Much better than Google Maps Pedometer for keeping track of your runs. Here is my run from this past weekend, the longest distance I have run in my adult life. Yeah, I was going slow and basically shuffling my feet for 8 miles, but it felt great.

Jeff, Monday, 25 June 2007 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link

After years of mocking, I've suddenly got into running (mostly because I can do at 2am after work when everything else is shut). I haven't bought any fancy tech yet, because I know that way lies importing specialist kecks from Japan that reduce drag coef by 0.002 somethings, but could definitely do with some proper shoes.

stet, Monday, 25 June 2007 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I wish to talk about running.

I can run 5.5 miles now (52 min.), which is truly astounding to me b/c there was a time not too long ago when I could not run a single mile.

So - what is your time? How far? Where? Etc.

differently valid (Jesse), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i am trying to go farther b/c i'm doing a half marathon in may but i have a weird thing where i'm afraid to go far away from my house because what if i break my ankle and have to limp 5 miles back or something? so i go in loops a lot. also i hate running when it's light out. wtf is wrong with me?

я рилли (harbl), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

I've thought about running farther out than I can run back. Do you live somewhere w/ public transit? If not, I'd advise that maybe you bring cab fare or your phone so you can call a friend. I've been running on a treadmill, so this hasn't been a problem. When spring comes I'll take it outside.

I don't know about running when it's light out! What is it that bothers you about it?

differently valid (Jesse), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno, people looking at me and stuff. and you can see how far away stuff is so it makes it feel like more effort. running is such a mental thing, i can't even make myself do it sometimes because i'm remembering that last time was hard, even though it was also fun.

we have public transit, i could do that

я рилли (harbl), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Did my first run across the Brooklyn Bridge yesterday -- lots of fun. Total run was something like 3.2 miles.

Bonobos in Paneradise (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Started running again for the second time in my life ever. Gave it up after my first 10k, found it too boring. Gearing up for a more manageable 5k in june sometime, hoping to break 20mins.

ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

am ratcheting up my irregular runs into regular ones - dunno how far it is but i usually run along the dalston canal from queensbridge rd to victoria park (approach rd) and back again - cracked some sort of barrier this week when i managed to do it all in one go, rather than stopping to die halfway through.

running tips would be appreciated, actually - basic stuff like pacing, breathing correctly, anything which makes it all more effective which a novice might not be aware of. i am so unbelievably shit at pacing myself.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Am an amateur myself but "go slower" sounds like it might be good advice. When I first started I was almost sprinting, could barely do 100m let alone 10k. Then I figured out that maybe I should take it down a notch. Think jogging not running.

ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Some friends I run with barely go above walking pace...

ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Key is not stopping: I'm not sure how far you go, but better to go from 30 mins at whatever slowish pace feels comfortable, then 40, then 50 etc...Eventually speed will follow, but until you learn to breathe evenly (ie maintaining a steady pace), it's hard to relax and enjoy it.

I run every other day, normally 3 laps of Prospect Park, which takes 80-90 mins, and is about...11 miles? I used to run the Brooklyn bridge and round seaport, battery, and up the west side highway - there are some good routes around there.

paulhw, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess it's better to run further/for a longer time and slower than to push yourself wrt speed but only manage to run for half an hour, then?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

agreed.

paulhw, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link

stopping is ok if you plan to start up again though--if you break up an hour run into 15-20 min segments walking a couple minutes in between it can be good for your endurance

i want to start going a little faster soon, my "short" run now is 3.5-4 miles but i think i want to add a day per week of intervals or pyramids? suggestions? i run no faster on short runs than on long runs, which is wrong.

HHooHHHooHH-oob (harbl), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link

A couple things I find helpful when I run

1. Try to be in your head and chest instead of in your legs, if that makes sense. Like focus on your upper body moving forward and not your stride (though you should check your stride from time to time)

2. Keep your torso/shoulders somewhat moving and loose -- this might just be personal because I have a shoulder/back problem that tends to cramp up when I run

Bonobos in Paneradise (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

no 2 makes sense - last week it suddenly hit me that my shoulders were SO TENSE when i was running - consciously trying to relax them seemed to make everything a bit easier

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyone have advice for avoiding shin splints? During the winter I run on treadmills and don't have a problem. But I like to run on the street when it gets warmer, and it's not long before my shins start to hurt. Shoes are obviously the main factor. Last year I bought a new pair of shoes that weren't quite wide enough and they murdered my feet and shins. Now I have a pair that fits right, but I still find that I get some mild pain in my shins after running outside. I stretch for quite a while before I run, although I often run first thing in the morning and I feel like my whole body is a lot stiffer than it would be later in the day. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

lou, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess it's better to run further/for a longer time and slower than to push yourself wrt speed but only manage to run for half an hour, then?

haha, i consider half an hour to be pretty good. i usually get bored around then.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

what i post about when i post about running

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Today: 5k in an exhausting 27 mins.

ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i'm starting this tomorrow, i've made a couple false starts the last few months but time to be less slothful

velko, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm, the splints. I've never stretched, and never had too many problems (sometimes heels though). I also feel less limber in the morning. Main thing, I think, is shoes. It's worth paying more ($150/year for exercise is cheap!) to go to a proper place that will analyze your running style on a treadmill, make the right suggestion (ie avoid going to a shitty chain store). Also, if you're used to treadmill / soft surfaces, the road takes a little while to adjust to - your shins are working slightly differently and complaining cos they're not used to it. So make that move slowly, if possible (a park with a dirt track?). Also, when they hurt, stop. It's no good trying to run through it, which can work with other kinds of running pain.

paulhw, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, harbls right about stopping if you feel like it - between each 30 min lap of the park, I often stop for a minute or two to drink water, or tighten laces, or just calm down a bit...I meant more that it's better to maintain a steady pace than to run fast for 6 minutes then stop, winded, for a few more, then gallop off again.

paulhw, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I get shin splints sometimes, but I can't really find a correlation between what I'm doing and the pain. A friend (Jeff, who started this thread) recommended that I get a gait test done at a one of these places http://www.fleetfeetsports.com/.

I've read that if your calves get overly strong compared to your shins, that your shins suffer.

W/r/t words of wisdom, I'll just tell you things I have done (I'm at around 6 miles max and usually 10 mpm). 1. Measure distance and time. Being on a treadmill really helped me with this. Or you can use http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/ to measure your distance.

In any case, knowing the distance you run and the time you spent was invaluable for me b/c it helped me to quantify my accomplishments, not to cheat, and to set new goals.

2. I vary my speeds and distances. I read stuff about why doing this is good, and it seems to make sense and it feels good, so I do it. I guess you get to work on both speed and endurance this way.

3. Double espresso. Especially if I'm feeling tired or unmotivated, a shot of caffeine can turn a slogging, annoying jog into a decent run. Also at times when I've been trying to push myself to new goals, this helps. (I read this in a newspaper's health section and I also read something in a Men's Health or somewhere about how a flat Coke is perfect for when you hit a wall on a long run.)

milk plasma (Jesse), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link

it's good because it is a shot of sugar, so

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link

^ yeah i've never understood this because sugary stuff when you're exercising is so gross, and causes cramps! whatever works.

anyway i've just gotten up to 6 miles (takes me an hour but oh well!) but i have trouble running during the week so i'm doing ok with long runs but not shorter, faster ones! fail.

HHooHHHooHH-oob (harbl), Saturday, 21 March 2009 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.doitsports.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0009w6

I read a magazine article posted in a coffee shop about how caffeine before running can be a good thing.

By the way, the reason I do double espresso instead of a coffee or soda is that it's more concentrated, not b/c I think it contains more caffeine. A minor peeve of mine is when people get all het up about espresso keeping you awake for days, etc.

milk plasma (Jesse), Sunday, 22 March 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

It's strangely ILX-ish over in that board.

milk plasma (Jesse), Sunday, 22 March 2009 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I forgot I started this thread.

Jesse, let's run today. We'll race.

Jeff, Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I won't run unless I can track it somehow. Currently I use the Garmin Forerunner 305, but I'm jealous of the smaller 405 these days.

Jeff, Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Having said that, I haven't run since 1/4/09 when I ran 2 miles in 19:21. I was so dissapointed in myself I haven't done anything since then. Plus it's been too damn cold.

Jeff, Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I have only really done any serious running on the treadmill and I will not be racing you. I will run w/ you, though not today.

milk plasma (Jesse), Sunday, 22 March 2009 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, I ran. 2.35 miles in 22:21. It was pretty miserable. I think I need to go to an ENT before I do that again.

Jeff, Sunday, 22 March 2009 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I want to start running. I'm afraid I'll be one of those guys that gets a heart attack immediately. Oh well. Where to start? There's a gym down the block from me that's only $5 a day. Should I be intimidated by the 'gym people?' Just bought an iPod shuffle. There are lots of nice places to run outdoors here too. Is the 'runner's high' real? Help me get started!

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 23 March 2009 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the best thing is to just make a start. and don't feel bad if you go slow! i agree with that person up there that said just keep going as far as you can, even if it's just a shuffle.

I've heard this site/program is good for starting out: http://www.c25k.com/

behind the times (gem), Monday, 23 March 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link

No need to be intimidated by the gym people - they are just there doing their thing and you don't need to worry about being judged. If you're going to run on a treadmill (which I think is good to do sometimes to get realistic assessments of progress, as discussed above) getting an employee to show you how it works could set your mind at ease. They're pretty straightforward, but still.

Also what gem said - just do what you can to begin and if you keep it up, you will be fine. Following a program would be a great idea.

I don't know about runner's high - can anyone speak to that? I've heard that it's the rush of endorphins you get at some point during a hard run, but I don't know if I've ever experienced it.

milk plasma (Jesse), Monday, 23 March 2009 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i did the couch to 5k--didnt get up to 5k but i was doing 2 miles in around 20-25 minutes when i stopped (which is a HUGE accomplishment for someone like me). i think its helpful for the kind of person (like me) who needs concrete goals, times, distances, etc. in order to feel and measure progress. without it i would end up spending a week just sort of running for half an hour at a time and abandoning it because there was no structure. once you complete the c25k you can just go out there and start doing 3 mile runs or whatever. i should take it up again really.

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 23 March 2009 14:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i haven't gotten it recently but i did sometimes get runners high when i was in better shape, like when i was 19. i think you would know if you got it though. it feels like you don't have to try and you could keep going forever, not like the struggle it normally feels like. cruisin'

HHooHHHooHH-oob (harbl), Monday, 23 March 2009 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I have gotten that sort of feeling. I just thought it was supposed to be some sort of euphoria. Maybe my standards for euphoria are too ambitious.

milk plasma (Jesse), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link

lol people who tell u runners high is like ecstasy are people who have never done ecstasy--its more like "being in a good mood"

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah

HHooHHHooHH-oob (harbl), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i try to do btwn 3-5 miles every other day & basically track totals by month which helps a lot w/ the structure and measuring aspect

johnny crunch, Monday, 23 March 2009 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link

No runner's high for me. It is miserable every single step.

Jeff, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Every winter gets me totally out of the routine and out of shape, but I'm getting started again since the time change, and since the sidewalks haven't been iced over for a couple of weeks. (I know some people get out of bed an hour earlier to go running in the cold just before sunrise, but...no, I run because I *like* it). Right now I'm only running about 3 miles a couple times a week, and I'd like to work up to more regularly running 5 miles again, hopefully approaching 10 in the summer.

I don't think I've experienced runner's high, which I've always thought is because I like to fall into a comfortable groove that I can keep up for a long time, instead of pushing myself so hard I break through some kind of crazy physical barrier...but if it's more "cruising" and less "euphoria", maybe I have!

Maria, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link

If what I've experienced is a runner's high, and if that experience is what others consider euphoria, then I pity those people.

milk plasma (Jesse), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I ran 2 miles today in 18 minutes, which is Very Good.

milk plasma (Jesse), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i dunno it's kind of like you feel a switch go off, i really think you would know

(lbrah) (harbl), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 11:36 (fourteen years ago) link

also do you guys run in the morning? i can't do it, i always feel so stiff and tired, and if i plan to wake up earlier to run i just end up going back to bed. i'd like to do it in the morning just to get it done but i'm wimpy.

(lbrah) (harbl), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 11:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't even go back to bed, I can't get out of it in the first place. I ran in the morning when I first started, but I didn't need to be at work very early then, so it was easier.

Maria, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Awesome, well done HP.

Do you enjoy it?

groovypanda, Sunday, 10 September 2023 17:37 (five months ago) link

I've had the 10, 11, 12 & 14 (M) and never really noticed a size difference between models.

Is the 15 supposed to be bigger then? xps

groovypanda, Sunday, 10 September 2023 17:39 (five months ago) link

I've tried a Brooks Adrenaline XX and found it tighter at the toe end than others numbers I've worn in the series, before and after. Never tried the Ghost.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Sunday, 10 September 2023 18:21 (five months ago) link

Their web site used to have a chart showing perceptions of fit. Reviewers seemed to think that the 15 felt larger than the 14. They don't seem to have the charts anymore.

youn, Sunday, 10 September 2023 18:32 (five months ago) link

That was it for me tobo73. I was hitting my 4:30 time splits until 30km when plantar fasciitis started sparking up. From that point, there was a bit of walking involved, ended up doing 4:53. Even though the time was slack, I'm happy I did it and keen to give it a better, more serious go next year. We'll try break a few more barriers before then though

H.P, Monday, 11 September 2023 04:14 (five months ago) link

I read marathon times and am overwhelmed and wonder about the experience of the end.
The situation that seems most accident-prone in conditions of low visibility is a car making a right turn when cross-traffic is unexpected or blocked from view preceding the turn.

youn, Monday, 11 September 2023 11:03 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

I'm doing my fourth 10k, after five years of no running and no exercise. It took me about 15 training runs before I stopped feeling like every step was a punishment, but unlike any pervious time I'm finally, sort of, getting into it - I feel good after each run and look forward beforehand, until it comes time to actually set out. I'm using various incentivising techniques - finding new routes, improving my times - though they won't work forever. When not actually running I fantasise about longer distances - I've done 12k already so couldn't a half marathon be in reach? But this morning's 5k was not what I would call enjoyable.

organ doner (ledge), Monday, 30 October 2023 09:31 (three months ago) link

Same, also did a fourth 10K over the weekend after years of being very careful with running. My colleagues motivated me to sign up for the local popular race that takes place 3rd December, so I'm now officially training. I'm excited and a little apprehensive. Not because of distance, it's a short city race. If I don't slip during the race and my weak spots (right-hand hip / adductors area) continue to feel better during training, I will be happy. It's also a nice start to the end-of-the year and holiday season.

In my experience, going from 10k to 20K is a significant leap, especially if the race isn't flat. If you can run 10k, you'll manage, but it will be a slow ordeal, with a risk of abandoning in the second half (blisters, stomach etc). You can continue training over 10-12k until you have packed up endurance, you're regular and it feels comfortable. You can run 15k a couple times to get a feel of a longer race, but you will know internally when you're ready to attempt 21K.

Nabozo, Monday, 30 October 2023 10:28 (three months ago) link

Wow I started this thread over 16 years ago. Still running but I’ve had a lot of ups and downs. I should recap some of them. Running at 44 is certainly different than running at 28.

Jeff, Monday, 30 October 2023 10:54 (three months ago) link

thanks nabozo - I think internally at the moment my brain is writing cheques my body can't cash.

go for it jeff. at 50 my peak performance is way behind me but given I never tried very hard back then I'm happy enough with how things are going so far.

organ doner (ledge), Monday, 30 October 2023 13:21 (three months ago) link

10k race in 49 mins, pretty happy with that, it's my best time over > 6k since starting again two months ago. I maybe could have gone marginally faster but there were hardly any distance markers so I didn't know what pace I was running, and strava fucked up so I still don't know.

organ doner (ledge), Sunday, 5 November 2023 16:18 (three months ago) link

Running at 44 is certainly different than running at 28.

No kidding. I'm in one of my periodic recovery phases... I've had major issues with IT band pull/knee caving, such that when I tried to run it felt like I was hardly hitting the ground with the ball of my foot. A few weeks ago I started doing a forgotten exercise — lunges with a hand weight — and it's definitely improved my stability, so that running feels like running again. My average pace gets a little slower every year, though.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Sunday, 5 November 2023 21:50 (three months ago) link

Another 44 year-old runner here. I'm having such a weird/frustrating relationship with running right now. The last few years had me running like a robot, every other day no matter what, running 200 kms per month sometimes. Ended up getting an injury but got back in. The past couple monthes I've got really tired with running, got lazy on my routine, almost didn't run at all in August, now trying to get back into regularity but the motivation is hard to find. And yet, whenever I find the will to go, I enjoy it very much and I even improve. I have just set new Personal Records for 10 and 15 kms in my last two runs despite only going because I felt I somehow had to. Probably would have beaten my best semi today too if I had enough time. I should feel reinvigorated but instead I'm just hoping it will rain massively on Tuesday so I have an excuse not to go. I dunno, it's weird.

Dinsdale, Sunday, 5 November 2023 22:51 (three months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/ZHFMh4Z.png

2013 through 2016 were going great! PR after PR until I ran myself into a stress fracture. Not deterred, I recovered and set a half PR in 2017 on the way to running myself into another stress fracture. Followed by couple of years of mediocrity, unable to establish any sort of consistent running.

Then in 2020/2021 I felt even worse, no energy, unable to do more than a run/walk. Well it turns out that if you are severely anemic, it is very difficult to run. Didn't get that worked out until late last year and it has taken until now to get back up to where I'm doing double digit mileage and hitting closer to my old easy pace on long runs. In hindsight, I shouldn't feel too bad for my pitiful 2021, I was determined, but my body was not functioning.

As for running at 44, everything just takes longer. First mile is always slow, takes longer to warm up, takes longer to build up mileage, have to be super conservative with aches and pains. However, I'm seeing improvement. It just takes time. IDK if I'll ever touch any of my PR's again, but just that I'm able to get out there and run for a couple of hours feels great.

Jeff, Sunday, 5 November 2023 23:35 (three months ago) link

And dont forget to take injury prevention seriously as you get old. There are things you can do that really help and ime they also add some variety to your workouts.

tobo73, Monday, 6 November 2023 02:34 (three months ago) link

And dont forget to take injury prevention seriously as you get old. There are things you can do that really help and ime they also add some variety to your workouts.

tobo73, Monday, 6 November 2023 02:34 (three months ago) link

I was out for a few months there due to a stress fracture in my foot along with plantar fasciitis. Then over the course of a week and a half my foot improved significantly, responding well to very gentle intervals of what can best be described as shuffling. I ended up taking a little trail run vacation over the weekend and it was glorious. Running on Navajo sandstone is like having a dance with god in fucking heaven.

ꙮ (map), Monday, 6 November 2023 02:59 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I ran 15k for the first time, felt pretty good. I was only planning on 12 but I took a wrong turn which added 1k and I thought eh why not.

organ doner (ledge), Sunday, 26 November 2023 10:49 (two months ago) link

Despite slippery wet snow underfoot (and rain for the second half) I ignored the good advice upthread (get comfortable running 10-12-15k) and did a half marathon. Legs were definitely sore in whole new ways I've never experienced for the last 3k, and aching for the rest of the day, but I'm glad I did it. Might sign up for a race later next year but I'll dial my regular running back to 5-10k for now.

organ doner (ledge), Monday, 4 December 2023 08:46 (two months ago) link

I know this probably isn't impressive but I did a 2.25 mile run outside today and my heart rate I think peaked at 165. usually by the end its like 180 and I feel I'm gonna pass out. fitness!

frogbs, Friday, 8 December 2023 20:37 (two months ago) link

Long slow runs are great for building fitness (and improving heart rate): run a bit longer distance than you usually would but at a fairly comfortable sedate pace

groovypanda, Sunday, 10 December 2023 15:57 (two months ago) link

I went for my second run since the marathon in July a couple days ago and felt great but had to cut it shorter than I wanted as the dog was not coping. She was fine, just did not want to keep going. Hoping she builds back up to the place of smoking me every run!

H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 06:23 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

update:
Dog smoking me every run

Trying the Hansons marathon plan which is running 6 times a week for average cumulative 70km's. Meant to keep the heart rate low which leads to the inevitable smoking by the dog. Going late at night when everyone in my town is asleep so she can run off leash along the ocean channel. It's a lot of sprint/stop/sniff and she is now probably the happiest animal in this entire town. It's the highlight of my day now and a great way to get yourself falling straight asleep as you hit the pillow afterwards

H.P, Friday, 2 February 2024 05:46 (two weeks ago) link

I know quite a few people from my club who've used the Hanson plan. It's not worked for all of them but the majority have done really well off it

groovypanda, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

I was doing pretty well with my running running until last week when a horse broke my ankle in a manner that required surgery and extensive hardware and now my running running is fucked for the foreseeable future

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:39 (two weeks ago) link

Ortho is all no you’ll be able to do stationary bike on low resistance in like a month so there goes my cardio fitness, enter jello body

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:41 (two weeks ago) link

Does the ortho think your ankle will eventually recover for running running purposes?

tobo73, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:08 (two weeks ago) link

That’s unclear at the moment. My biggest issue is that I need excellent dorsiflexion for my all-consuming pastime/physical activity which is equestrian sports. I jump big things while perched on a horse’s back, which requires quite a bit of ankle strength and flexibility so as not to topple off :(

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 23:40 (two weeks ago) link

Really sorry to hear that quince

H.P, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 00:12 (two weeks ago) link

Thank you. I never really loved running running but it was my go-to for cardio. The other options just aren’t as simple and accessible, right? Rowing machine, exercise bike require a gym. . . what else do people do when injured?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 02:49 (two weeks ago) link

Not a perfect answer but swimming is an awesome low-impact workout if you have access to a pool. I find it super boring so am very proud when I can overcome that hurdle and swim for an hour.

tobo73, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 03:16 (two weeks ago) link

Oh duh swimming! I would be able to do that one the incisions are healed. But damn there is a lot more overhead than there is with running. Like finding a pool, for starters.

Running for me is hard to enjoy but just getting it done is so easy. Shoes on, out door, back in 30 min.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 03:37 (two weeks ago) link

sorry you're having such a rough time, quincie. I know it's a hassle, but I'd recommend going to a gym (if you have a reasonably accessible one in your area) once you're strong enough to get around. I broke my big toe last year and couldn't do any running or much walking for five weeks, but I held onto most of my aerobic fitness by hitting the gym six days a week, alternating between swimming, stationary bike, and Zero Runner (elliptical type machine) workouts. I made a point of exercising roughly the same number of hours per week I typically run, and I even simulated my interval and tempo runs on the bike. my biggest complaint getting back into running was sore quads and glutes, but easy runs felt pretty much normal after a little more than two weeks, and I was back to my base level of fitness after about two months. for the first week of my injury I also fast walked a mile and a half a day on crutches, which fucking sucked tbph. in the beginning I was seriously bummed out at the prospect of losing three years of running progress, but cross-training at least took my mind off my fears of withering away. obviously a broken ankle is a lot more serious than a broken toe, but I hope you can find a good way to transition back into running over time

fwiw I've read that aqua jogging is the best way to maintain fitness after an injury, but that requires a deep pool and probably a special belt, so it definitely isn't the simplest option

hogarth brooks (unregistered), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 04:26 (two weeks ago) link

That's good advice. My approach is usually to do nothing and just go into a deep depression, desperately hoping that I can eventually get back my fitness.

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 February 2024 11:46 (two weeks ago) link

i'm a bit down as i have a chesty cough and haven't run in nearly two weeks but that's nothing on being destroyed by a horse, that sucks.

(maybe i'm a wuss but i googled and it seems a bad idea, i've gone on my low budget bike trainer a couple of times)

organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 11:55 (two weeks ago) link

for the first week of my injury I also fast walked a mile and a half a day on crutches

Dear god in heaven I seriously cannot even fathom this. Even just about ten minutes of work with the PT when I was in the hospital (lap around the ortho floor, practicing stairs) was exhausting and left me with the most amazing core soreness--like, my ribs and obliques were just killed, not to mention my shoulders. I have a knee scooter now, which is much easier but also cumbersome to get around a very small house with lots of furniture.

My approach is usually to do nothing and just go into a deep depression, desperately hoping that I can eventually get back my fitness.

Yeah I'm afraid this will be me. Doesn't help that at 50 and perimenopausal, I'm already on the downward cliff of muscle mass and bone density.

I reached out to an aqua PT center (didn't even know there was one in town until I looked) and will plan to start there as soon as ortho says OK. In the meantime, he says three to six months before return to riding.

Thanks for the good wishes and for sharing injury experiences, it is helpful for sure.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 21:57 (two weeks ago) link

For any beginning runners perusing this thread, I got the None to Run app and it has really worked well for me. It's an alternative version of the couch to 5k that ramps up more slowly and with a somewhat different strategy. It felt good to me to work through the weeks (3 runs per week) and see progress without it being overwhelming.

Left to my own devices, I just suck at sticking with running. I need someone to just tell me wtf to do and I'll do it.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 22:04 (two weeks ago) link

I started the c25k thing this morning. It was hellish. I ride my bike a lot, so I thought I was in decent shape.

Nooooooope. Running felt kinda like being a big box of pots and pans rolling down a flight of stairs. Ordered some decent shoes. Will try it for a couple of weeks and see how it feels.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 10 February 2024 04:54 (one week ago) link

i think the c25k needs a week zero where you just walk around in the kit to get used to it all, work out places and times and how you're going to time the various bits.

koogs, Saturday, 10 February 2024 05:21 (one week ago) link

Consider None to Run (N2R)—it was specifically developed for people who started C25K and found it discouraging at first. I was also a pretty fit person and found my first attempts at running were WTF this is so much harder than I thought!

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 10 February 2024 05:40 (one week ago) link

I'm getting to grips with the fact that some runs will just feel awful for no discernible reason - though the cold i have at the moment certainly doesn't help. But how was the run i've just done 18 seconds faster per k than the one two days ago even though they felt equally awful?

ledge, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 13:42 (yesterday) link

I'm convinced that the both the feeling and the result of any individual run is completely subject to the whims of the Gods for any given day

H.P, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 13:59 (yesterday) link

It's a fun little part of getting into running: how will I feel today? Oh, terrible? Great!

H.P, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:02 (yesterday) link

17 years in, it never really gets better. It almost always sucks. But it sucks in a familiar and consistent way. Hey there old friend, nice to see you again. Let's suffer together for a few hours.

Jeff, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:17 (yesterday) link

cool, i'm glad i picked such an uplifting new (er sort of) hobby!

i've signed up for a half marathon in may. hope i get some less awful runs in before then.

ledge, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:27 (yesterday) link

I often think half-marathon is the best of all distances

tobo73, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 17:25 (yesterday) link

If by best, you mean worst, maybe. It just hurts so bad. 10 mile hard tempo followed by a 5K race. But all distances are bad in their own special way.

Jeff, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 17:53 (yesterday) link

I do love running though. It's an interesting relationship we have.

Jeff, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 17:54 (yesterday) link

Running is sheer happiness. My body is letting me run so I'm getting my feelings back and a bit of ambition with spring around the corner and the first flowers in bloom on my running path today. Since I last posted here I did my 7.3K city run (fun, temperature was 2 degrees, decent time) and I've been running 2-3 times a week. The 9k that was my long train run is now the short one, and I'm starting to think of extending the new long one (I haven't measured it yet, something like 12k). I should start to time myself too. But right now, I'm just enjoying it.

Nabozo, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 19:20 (yesterday) link

Running IS fun! And if it isn’t, just chill and walk for a while. That has increasingly been my approach as I deal with aging and the increasing injuries that involves. It’s great to train and get faster but it’s also just nice to be outside, on one’s feet and moving.

tobo73, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:26 (yesterday) link


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