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I couldn't find the old thread where we were talking about this, so here's a new one.

First of all Sanoodi is awesome. Much better than Google Maps Pedometer for keeping track of your runs. Here is my run from this past weekend, the longest distance I have run in my adult life. Yeah, I was going slow and basically shuffling my feet for 8 miles, but it felt great.

Jeff, Monday, 25 June 2007 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

After years of mocking, I've suddenly got into running (mostly because I can do at 2am after work when everything else is shut). I haven't bought any fancy tech yet, because I know that way lies importing specialist kecks from Japan that reduce drag coef by 0.002 somethings, but could definitely do with some proper shoes.

stet, Monday, 25 June 2007 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I wish to talk about running.

I can run 5.5 miles now (52 min.), which is truly astounding to me b/c there was a time not too long ago when I could not run a single mile.

So - what is your time? How far? Where? Etc.

differently valid (Jesse), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

i am trying to go farther b/c i'm doing a half marathon in may but i have a weird thing where i'm afraid to go far away from my house because what if i break my ankle and have to limp 5 miles back or something? so i go in loops a lot. also i hate running when it's light out. wtf is wrong with me?

я рилли (harbl), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

I've thought about running farther out than I can run back. Do you live somewhere w/ public transit? If not, I'd advise that maybe you bring cab fare or your phone so you can call a friend. I've been running on a treadmill, so this hasn't been a problem. When spring comes I'll take it outside.

I don't know about running when it's light out! What is it that bothers you about it?

differently valid (Jesse), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

i dunno, people looking at me and stuff. and you can see how far away stuff is so it makes it feel like more effort. running is such a mental thing, i can't even make myself do it sometimes because i'm remembering that last time was hard, even though it was also fun.

we have public transit, i could do that

я рилли (harbl), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Did my first run across the Brooklyn Bridge yesterday -- lots of fun. Total run was something like 3.2 miles.

Bonobos in Paneradise (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

Started running again for the second time in my life ever. Gave it up after my first 10k, found it too boring. Gearing up for a more manageable 5k in june sometime, hoping to break 20mins.

ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

am ratcheting up my irregular runs into regular ones - dunno how far it is but i usually run along the dalston canal from queensbridge rd to victoria park (approach rd) and back again - cracked some sort of barrier this week when i managed to do it all in one go, rather than stopping to die halfway through.

running tips would be appreciated, actually - basic stuff like pacing, breathing correctly, anything which makes it all more effective which a novice might not be aware of. i am so unbelievably shit at pacing myself.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

Am an amateur myself but "go slower" sounds like it might be good advice. When I first started I was almost sprinting, could barely do 100m let alone 10k. Then I figured out that maybe I should take it down a notch. Think jogging not running.

ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

Some friends I run with barely go above walking pace...

ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

Key is not stopping: I'm not sure how far you go, but better to go from 30 mins at whatever slowish pace feels comfortable, then 40, then 50 etc...Eventually speed will follow, but until you learn to breathe evenly (ie maintaining a steady pace), it's hard to relax and enjoy it.

I run every other day, normally 3 laps of Prospect Park, which takes 80-90 mins, and is about...11 miles? I used to run the Brooklyn bridge and round seaport, battery, and up the west side highway - there are some good routes around there.

paulhw, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

i guess it's better to run further/for a longer time and slower than to push yourself wrt speed but only manage to run for half an hour, then?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

agreed.

paulhw, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

stopping is ok if you plan to start up again though--if you break up an hour run into 15-20 min segments walking a couple minutes in between it can be good for your endurance

i want to start going a little faster soon, my "short" run now is 3.5-4 miles but i think i want to add a day per week of intervals or pyramids? suggestions? i run no faster on short runs than on long runs, which is wrong.

HHooHHHooHH-oob (harbl), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

A couple things I find helpful when I run

1. Try to be in your head and chest instead of in your legs, if that makes sense. Like focus on your upper body moving forward and not your stride (though you should check your stride from time to time)

2. Keep your torso/shoulders somewhat moving and loose -- this might just be personal because I have a shoulder/back problem that tends to cramp up when I run

Bonobos in Paneradise (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

no 2 makes sense - last week it suddenly hit me that my shoulders were SO TENSE when i was running - consciously trying to relax them seemed to make everything a bit easier

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone have advice for avoiding shin splints? During the winter I run on treadmills and don't have a problem. But I like to run on the street when it gets warmer, and it's not long before my shins start to hurt. Shoes are obviously the main factor. Last year I bought a new pair of shoes that weren't quite wide enough and they murdered my feet and shins. Now I have a pair that fits right, but I still find that I get some mild pain in my shins after running outside. I stretch for quite a while before I run, although I often run first thing in the morning and I feel like my whole body is a lot stiffer than it would be later in the day. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

lou, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

i guess it's better to run further/for a longer time and slower than to push yourself wrt speed but only manage to run for half an hour, then?

haha, i consider half an hour to be pretty good. i usually get bored around then.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

what i post about when i post about running

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

Today: 5k in an exhausting 27 mins.

ledge, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i'm starting this tomorrow, i've made a couple false starts the last few months but time to be less slothful

velko, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

Hmm, the splints. I've never stretched, and never had too many problems (sometimes heels though). I also feel less limber in the morning. Main thing, I think, is shoes. It's worth paying more ($150/year for exercise is cheap!) to go to a proper place that will analyze your running style on a treadmill, make the right suggestion (ie avoid going to a shitty chain store). Also, if you're used to treadmill / soft surfaces, the road takes a little while to adjust to - your shins are working slightly differently and complaining cos they're not used to it. So make that move slowly, if possible (a park with a dirt track?). Also, when they hurt, stop. It's no good trying to run through it, which can work with other kinds of running pain.

paulhw, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

Also, harbls right about stopping if you feel like it - between each 30 min lap of the park, I often stop for a minute or two to drink water, or tighten laces, or just calm down a bit...I meant more that it's better to maintain a steady pace than to run fast for 6 minutes then stop, winded, for a few more, then gallop off again.

paulhw, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 00:12 (twelve years ago) link

I get shin splints sometimes, but I can't really find a correlation between what I'm doing and the pain. A friend (Jeff, who started this thread) recommended that I get a gait test done at a one of these places http://www.fleetfeetsports.com/.

I've read that if your calves get overly strong compared to your shins, that your shins suffer.

W/r/t words of wisdom, I'll just tell you things I have done (I'm at around 6 miles max and usually 10 mpm). 1. Measure distance and time. Being on a treadmill really helped me with this. Or you can use http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/ to measure your distance.

In any case, knowing the distance you run and the time you spent was invaluable for me b/c it helped me to quantify my accomplishments, not to cheat, and to set new goals.

2. I vary my speeds and distances. I read stuff about why doing this is good, and it seems to make sense and it feels good, so I do it. I guess you get to work on both speed and endurance this way.

3. Double espresso. Especially if I'm feeling tired or unmotivated, a shot of caffeine can turn a slogging, annoying jog into a decent run. Also at times when I've been trying to push myself to new goals, this helps. (I read this in a newspaper's health section and I also read something in a Men's Health or somewhere about how a flat Coke is perfect for when you hit a wall on a long run.)

milk plasma (Jesse), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 01:38 (twelve years ago) link

it's good because it is a shot of sugar, so

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 02:00 (twelve years ago) link

^ yeah i've never understood this because sugary stuff when you're exercising is so gross, and causes cramps! whatever works.

anyway i've just gotten up to 6 miles (takes me an hour but oh well!) but i have trouble running during the week so i'm doing ok with long runs but not shorter, faster ones! fail.

HHooHHHooHH-oob (harbl), Saturday, 21 March 2009 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.doitsports.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0009w6

I read a magazine article posted in a coffee shop about how caffeine before running can be a good thing.

By the way, the reason I do double espresso instead of a coffee or soda is that it's more concentrated, not b/c I think it contains more caffeine. A minor peeve of mine is when people get all het up about espresso keeping you awake for days, etc.

milk plasma (Jesse), Sunday, 22 March 2009 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

It's strangely ILX-ish over in that board.

milk plasma (Jesse), Sunday, 22 March 2009 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

I forgot I started this thread.

Jesse, let's run today. We'll race.

Jeff, Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

I won't run unless I can track it somehow. Currently I use the Garmin Forerunner 305, but I'm jealous of the smaller 405 these days.

Jeff, Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

Having said that, I haven't run since 1/4/09 when I ran 2 miles in 19:21. I was so dissapointed in myself I haven't done anything since then. Plus it's been too damn cold.

Jeff, Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

I have only really done any serious running on the treadmill and I will not be racing you. I will run w/ you, though not today.

milk plasma (Jesse), Sunday, 22 March 2009 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

OK, I ran. 2.35 miles in 22:21. It was pretty miserable. I think I need to go to an ENT before I do that again.

Jeff, Sunday, 22 March 2009 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

I want to start running. I'm afraid I'll be one of those guys that gets a heart attack immediately. Oh well. Where to start? There's a gym down the block from me that's only $5 a day. Should I be intimidated by the 'gym people?' Just bought an iPod shuffle. There are lots of nice places to run outdoors here too. Is the 'runner's high' real? Help me get started!

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 23 March 2009 09:08 (twelve years ago) link

i think the best thing is to just make a start. and don't feel bad if you go slow! i agree with that person up there that said just keep going as far as you can, even if it's just a shuffle.

I've heard this site/program is good for starting out: http://www.c25k.com/

behind the times (gem), Monday, 23 March 2009 12:44 (twelve years ago) link

No need to be intimidated by the gym people - they are just there doing their thing and you don't need to worry about being judged. If you're going to run on a treadmill (which I think is good to do sometimes to get realistic assessments of progress, as discussed above) getting an employee to show you how it works could set your mind at ease. They're pretty straightforward, but still.

Also what gem said - just do what you can to begin and if you keep it up, you will be fine. Following a program would be a great idea.

I don't know about runner's high - can anyone speak to that? I've heard that it's the rush of endorphins you get at some point during a hard run, but I don't know if I've ever experienced it.

milk plasma (Jesse), Monday, 23 March 2009 14:03 (twelve years ago) link

i did the couch to 5k--didnt get up to 5k but i was doing 2 miles in around 20-25 minutes when i stopped (which is a HUGE accomplishment for someone like me). i think its helpful for the kind of person (like me) who needs concrete goals, times, distances, etc. in order to feel and measure progress. without it i would end up spending a week just sort of running for half an hour at a time and abandoning it because there was no structure. once you complete the c25k you can just go out there and start doing 3 mile runs or whatever. i should take it up again really.

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 23 March 2009 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

i haven't gotten it recently but i did sometimes get runners high when i was in better shape, like when i was 19. i think you would know if you got it though. it feels like you don't have to try and you could keep going forever, not like the struggle it normally feels like. cruisin'

HHooHHHooHH-oob (harbl), Monday, 23 March 2009 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

I have gotten that sort of feeling. I just thought it was supposed to be some sort of euphoria. Maybe my standards for euphoria are too ambitious.

milk plasma (Jesse), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

lol people who tell u runners high is like ecstasy are people who have never done ecstasy--its more like "being in a good mood"

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

yeah

HHooHHHooHH-oob (harbl), Monday, 23 March 2009 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

i try to do btwn 3-5 miles every other day & basically track totals by month which helps a lot w/ the structure and measuring aspect

johnny crunch, Monday, 23 March 2009 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

No runner's high for me. It is miserable every single step.

Jeff, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

Every winter gets me totally out of the routine and out of shape, but I'm getting started again since the time change, and since the sidewalks haven't been iced over for a couple of weeks. (I know some people get out of bed an hour earlier to go running in the cold just before sunrise, but...no, I run because I *like* it). Right now I'm only running about 3 miles a couple times a week, and I'd like to work up to more regularly running 5 miles again, hopefully approaching 10 in the summer.

I don't think I've experienced runner's high, which I've always thought is because I like to fall into a comfortable groove that I can keep up for a long time, instead of pushing myself so hard I break through some kind of crazy physical barrier...but if it's more "cruising" and less "euphoria", maybe I have!

Maria, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 03:06 (twelve years ago) link

If what I've experienced is a runner's high, and if that experience is what others consider euphoria, then I pity those people.

milk plasma (Jesse), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 03:39 (twelve years ago) link

I ran 2 miles today in 18 minutes, which is Very Good.

milk plasma (Jesse), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 03:53 (twelve years ago) link

i dunno it's kind of like you feel a switch go off, i really think you would know

(lbrah) (harbl), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 11:36 (twelve years ago) link

also do you guys run in the morning? i can't do it, i always feel so stiff and tired, and if i plan to wake up earlier to run i just end up going back to bed. i'd like to do it in the morning just to get it done but i'm wimpy.

(lbrah) (harbl), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 11:37 (twelve years ago) link

I don't even go back to bed, I can't get out of it in the first place. I ran in the morning when I first started, but I didn't need to be at work very early then, so it was easier.

Maria, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

Very good advice. And yes the number of times I hear people say "I ran until I injured myself" are too many to count.

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 12 March 2021 08:53 (six months ago) link

injuries are a huge drag but i guess they're always a good chance to learn a bit more about your body - where your limits and weaknesses are, maybe your technique is bad or your shoes are wrong, maybe you've got a muscle imbalance that needs addressing? personally i'm struggling with a bad back at the moment and that's mainly due to things outside of running (a combination of doing a lot of gardening recently and just slumping in a bad chair when i'm resting or online), but it's giving me secondary issues in my hips and hams when i run, so i've got some back strengthening and core work to do. was getting some solid weeks in before that though

would a nit be nice? (NickB), Friday, 12 March 2021 12:47 (six months ago) link

fwiw I still think runners' high is fake (or at least I experience it so rarely it might as well be for my brane)

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 12 March 2021 13:12 (six months ago) link

definitely a thing for me. there's also a crashing low a ittle later

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 12 March 2021 13:41 (six months ago) link

When I was getting back into running in my mid-30s (15 years ago wtf), I found a good way to limit wear and tear was just to never, ever run on consecutive days. I stuck to this for a few years with good results. Now I do it all the time. And don't get hung up on pace. Make the most of your time outside getting exercise. If you're feeling slow one day, stay slow and you'll have a fast day some other time.

tobo73, Friday, 12 March 2021 14:40 (six months ago) link

I decided to start running again in January, and since I'm older now I've been ramping up very very slowly... three runs a week, started at half a mile per outing (plus a couple miles walking) and then added a quarter mile to the distance every week. Next week I'll finally hit three miles and feel fine, woo. Once I lose another 5-7 pounds I'll start trying to push my pace a little, right now I'm keeping it slow.

so tonight that I might ramona quimby (f. hazel), Friday, 12 March 2021 15:14 (six months ago) link

Going slow is underrated, but definitely the best way to get into a consistent pattern imo

would a nit be nice? (NickB), Friday, 12 March 2021 15:30 (six months ago) link

seemingly for the first time I was smart enough to start up again in January instead of June, this time I'll be ready for those Texas summertime runs when it's 95 degrees and humid as hell outside.

so tonight that I might ramona quimby (f. hazel), Friday, 12 March 2021 15:44 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

I think running while overweight has given me really strong legs lol

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:03 (four months ago) link

update: I lost the weight and stepped up the pace! also cutting out morning caffeine dropped my heart rate by like 20bpm during evening runs lol

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:30 (four months ago) link

i'm not overweight but until the pandemic, i used to run to work with a big bag of work stuff on my back every day and that definitely built length strength. so much tougher all round with just a few extra kilos, so full respect to you

xp way to go fhazel!

building a hole (NickB), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:34 (four months ago) link

I have a variety of foot/leg/tendon problems that normally keep me from running, but my housemate also has leg problems, and she and I have started going for runs where we jog in ultra-slow-motion, not going any faster than normal walking pace. It seems to work! I get exercise and my foot doesn't go numb as I'm running. This is an exciting development and I hope I can keep it up.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:03 (four months ago) link

that's wholesome and rules!

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:07 (four months ago) link

hahaha, I was quietly outraged last night when I ran past a family on the trail and the toddler shouted "jogging!" and the mom was like "yes, he's jogging!" and in my mind I was like "hey now... I'm running!"

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:17 (four months ago) link

One nice thing about running with someone else is I don't get self-conscious about my slow pace and reflexively speed up every time I'm passing someone.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:25 (four months ago) link

I like a crowded trail because I'm that much more invisible and less prone to doing stuff like that. Running with a friend is hard though, because I want to talk the whole time!

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:30 (four months ago) link

hi runners. i'm also slowly jogging while i recover from some tendonitis, though i've never been fast enough to not be jogging tbh.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:39 (four months ago) link

good job map + lily dale! :D

building a hole (NickB), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:57 (four months ago) link

reflexively speed up every time I'm passing someone

I really must stop doing this

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 22:01 (four months ago) link

My physical therapist advised me that it's better to run faster in general. The idea is that if you go slower, your feet are more likely to pivot when they land on the ground, which can exacerbate issues like IT band syndrome. That said, this sort of advice may be specific to certain running complaints, so YMMV (ha).

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:02 (four months ago) link

I really must stop doing this

I can't not do this, it's beyond my control.

pomenitul, Thursday, 13 May 2021 16:12 (four months ago) link

Lol

Whenever I'm on a long slow run and another runner overtakes me I have to fight the urge to try and catch up with them

groovypanda, Friday, 14 May 2021 08:45 (four months ago) link

After slowly building up my distance over the past year, I set out on my usual run about a month back and after just ten minutes felt a pop in the back of my right calf and had to limp home.

The initial pain subsided quickly but the lingering pain when I put pressure on the front of my foot doesn't seem to be going away. I'm really unhappy about not being able to run - feel like a total lump. At roughly the same time a varicose vein seems to have decided to go all swelly and horrible, so now I've got pins'n'needles feelings all through my leg and it's extremely uncomfortable and not a little disturbing.

Doctor gave me the usual "rest it for 12 weeks and if it hurts take ibuprofen" spiel, which is only semi-helpful. I miss running so much

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 17 May 2021 14:37 (four months ago) link

Fuucck, sorry to hear that dl

Probably worth getting a physio to look at it as they'd be able to give better advice than a GP. When I did my Achilles I went to a free NHS drop in centre and the physio gave me some daily exercise routines which helped quite a bit.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 16:15 (four months ago) link

Ugh that sucks. I'm about to see a specialist about my leg as well, but I'm not looking forward to hearing the verdict as I suspect that what's wrong with it can't be fixed without surgery.

Lily Dale, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 16:25 (four months ago) link

'kin 'ell ☹️

Chinese media confirm that 21 ultrarunners died during a storm at the Yellow River Stone Forest 100k in northwest China. Included in the deceased is elite runner Jing Liang.

We offer our deepest condolences to all involved.

More:https://t.co/7gOD1Ef9A8

— iRunFar (@iRunFar) May 23, 2021

groovypanda, Sunday, 23 May 2021 10:21 (three months ago) link

Yeah awful story indeed. Have heard of people dying in ultras before, but the number of casualties there is shocking. be interesting to hear how it went so badly wrong

building a hole (NickB), Sunday, 23 May 2021 10:48 (three months ago) link

I saw a doctor today to ask why for the last decade I haven't been able to run without my right calf turning into a block of wood and my right foot going numb. Turns out it's probably something called compartment syndrome, where the sheath around the muscles is too tight. So when they expand with exercise your whole calf tightens up and it pinches off the main artery that takes blood to your foot. I'll have to have a bunch of tests to see if that's really it, and if it is, it sounds like surgery's the way to fix it.

I'd obviously prefer to hear that it's something I can get rid of on my own, but it's sort of amazing to learn that this thing I've just been living with for the past ten years has a name and is fixable. I might be able to run some day!

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 18:29 (three months ago) link

good luck with that! i had a very mild version of the same thing when i first started running. lots of pain in my calves and lower legs that would disappear again soon after the end of each run. luckily it went away of its own accord - i think in some cases the sheath eventually adapts and expands to accommodate the enlarged muscle. i wasn't struggling with it for ten years though, that must really suck :(

building a hole (NickB), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 19:21 (three months ago) link

Oh interesting! They didn't tell me it could go away on its own. (Though in my case, if it were going to I think it would have by now.) I basically just adapted to it by swimming instead of running, but it will be exciting to have more cardio options open to me.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 19:36 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

has anyone been running any races during the COVID era? I'm new to road racing but ended up completing four 5Ks between May and July. I feel like my strategy is still fairly weak/undeveloped at this point, though: I have a tendency to take off at an overly aggressive pace for the first couple of minutes to keep up with the pack, slow down to an overly conservative pace for the better part of the race, and let loose for the last 800m or so, pretty much always ending with the sense that I've left too much gas in the tank. I also tend to agonize far too long over when to pass people. my goal is always to run more or less even splits (with allowances for hills) with maybe a slight kick at the end, but I never quite manage to execute that properly. even so, my times have been improving with each successive race, and I managed to finish first overall in two races, so I guess I'm not underperforming too badly in spite of my self-criticism

in terms of training, I've been running 30 mpw pretty consistently since the beginning of the year, typically doing one 8-to-10-mile long run and one 3-mile tempo run per week. I tried to throw in a weekly interval session (400/600/800m) and up my mileage to 35 mpw during racing season, but I wasn't very consistent with either of those aims — it's kinda hard to taper for a race on such a strict schedule. since my last race I've kept the tempo run but stopping doing intervals, maintaining 35 mpw and doing a few strides during one of my easy runs so I don't lose too much of my raw speed. when the weather cools down a bit, I'm planning to resume the speedwork (and maybe increase my mileage further?) in preparation for the fall racing season. part of the challenge is motivating myself to do workouts I hate/dread (mile repeats, hills, longer tempo runs) when I'm running solo without a coach or a club to keep me on track. my goal is to run an official sub-18-minute 5K before the end of the year, something I've achieved during a solo time trial but never during an actual race

in walked airbud (unregistered), Friday, 30 July 2021 00:17 (one month ago) link

First place is hard to argue with. Congrats!

I have never trained that systematically for a race, but I was pleased to run my first in ~3 years, a local July 4 four-miler. I'd been on one of my frequent running hiatuses (due to hip issues) up until about a week before. It was hot. After the first mile, I said "okay, I'm not gonna worry about trying to pass anyone, I'm just going to finish," and after the second mile I wished I'd chosen the two-mile option instead. My GPS watch told me my average HR had been five beats above the max, and while I doubt the watch is strictly accurate, it kinda felt that way.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 30 July 2021 02:48 (one month ago) link

I've only just made the leap back into some jogging over the past two months after a considerable hiatus and am back up to around 16 pretty damned slow miles per week. Soaking my feet in ice post-run has made a huge difference in recovery.

First place is hard to argue with. Congrats!

I have never trained that systematically for a race, but I was pleased to run my first in ~3 years, a local July 4 four-miler. I'd been on one of my frequent running hiatuses (due to hip issues) up until about a week before. It was hot. After the first mile, I said "okay, I'm not gonna worry about trying to pass anyone, I'm just going to finish," and after the second mile I wished I'd chosen the two-mile option instead. My GPS watch told me my average HR had been five beats above the max, and while I doubt the watch is strictly accurate, it kinda felt that way.

thanks! tbf in one race I only came in first because the two lead runners took a wrong turn and wasted a few minutes finding their way back to the race course. after the race, the would-be second place finisher stood around complaining about how the would-be first place finisher (who had conveniently vanished) had led him astray. going off course is one of my biggest fears, and I probably would have followed them to their doom if they hadn't been so far ahead of me. lesson learned: "run smarter, not harder" or something to that effect

sorry to hear about your hip issues, but it's great that you're willing to put yourself out there under less than ideal conditions, provided you aren't pushing yourself to the point of (re)injury. running in the heat is a slog even when you feel like you're acclimated to it, and in the summer I have to constantly remind myself to slow down a minute or more per mile off my usual pace, or else my heart rate shoots up and my watch decides I need 28 hours to recover from an easy run

in walked airbud (unregistered), Friday, 30 July 2021 04:01 (one month ago) link

Lol. I've done a few fell races recently where large groups have gone the wrong way - usually someone takes a wrong turn and everyone else follows headlessly.

Would-be second finisher sounds a like a bit of a dick tbh. If you go wrong in a race you've only yourself to blame. If the course is one without clear markings then you should probably recce it beforehand.

As for 5K technique, when I've run my best sub-19 times, I tend to just go off hard and try to hold it for the duration. (I rarely finish with much gas left in the tank). If you're aiming for sub-18 then possibly try and aim for even splits (around 3:36 per km) and then the last 800m kick should hopefully see you come comfortably under the target.

groovypanda, Monday, 2 August 2021 07:59 (one month ago) link

Also first place is first place so well done. I've finished first in my local parkrun twice and proudly have the two slowest first place finishes as on both occasions the usual faster club runners had races in the afternoon.

groovypanda, Monday, 2 August 2021 08:05 (one month ago) link

I am giving running running a go because I need to improve my cardio

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 2 August 2021 17:24 (one month ago) link

Not particularly excited about it, sadly

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 2 August 2021 17:25 (one month ago) link

still working through some tendonitis that has mostly cleared up. love my daily run. 15 minute drive to get there then miles of a wood-chipped horse trail, uphill the right amount.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Monday, 2 August 2021 17:33 (one month ago) link

> Not particularly excited about it, sadly

no. i was thinking of getting a shirt printed that said 'i'm hating this'

i started again after 16 months of sofa biscuits. missed sunday's (which would've been jog #15) due to leg / knee pain. will get around the mile-and-a-half of ravenscourt park in one go any week now.

koogs, Monday, 2 August 2021 19:42 (one month ago) link

Well, I survived my first run in the University of Montana return to running program (recommended by my excellent PT, whom I miss already).

I only did 6x instead of 7x of the walk/run intervals why because tired. But my knee seems find today, which is somewhat disappointing because it means I have to carry on with this running project.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:49 (one month ago) link

> no. i was thinking of getting a shirt printed that said 'i'm hating this'

I read "I Hate Running and You Can Too" as a way to procrastinate the actual running thing. I prefer reading about running to actually running.

Admittedly I feel. . . looser? in my joints today? Buts lets be real, I would rather nap than run, always.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:59 (one month ago) link

Lol. I've done a few fell races recently where large groups have gone the wrong way - usually someone takes a wrong turn and everyone else follows headlessly.

Would-be second finisher sounds a like a bit of a dick tbh. If you go wrong in a race you've only yourself to blame. If the course is one without clear markings then you should probably recce it beforehand.

As for 5K technique, when I've run my best sub-19 times, I tend to just go off hard and try to hold it for the duration. (I rarely finish with much gas left in the tank). If you're aiming for sub-18 then possibly try and aim for even splits (around 3:36 per km) and then the last 800m kick should hopefully see you come comfortably under the target.

― groovypanda, Monday, August 2, 2021 3:59 AM (two days ago)

Also first place is first place so well done. I've finished first in my local parkrun twice and proudly have the two slowest first place finishes as on both occasions the usual faster club runners had races in the afternoon.

― groovypanda, Monday, August 2, 2021 4:05 AM (two days ago)

yeah, it was definitely a dick move on his part. it's reasonable enough to bring your concerns to the race director (preferably without badmouthing your competitors) if the route markings are missing/misleading, but in this case there were signs at every intersection and literally hundreds of little arrows stuck to the pavement along the race course, so I'm not sure how two people managed to fuck up so badly. I try to run/walk a course ahead of time to get a feel for it, or at the very least scout it out on google maps streetview so it isn't a total surprise

even (or slightly negative) splits does seem like the most sensible approach. I guess my best bet is to make more of an effort to run my time trials and tempo runs at a steady pace so that it will come naturally to me by the time I start racing again. wish I wasn't such a slave to my watch because I find myself glancing down at it constantly during my workouts if I don't want to veer wildly off of my target pace. I guess running by feel is a skill that develops over time

congrats on your two wins! racing while all the 16-minute guys are asleep is a solid strategy in its own right. I just wish parkrun was a thing in the US, because it seems like the perfect opportunity to enjoy yourself and maybe try out some new approaches without the pressure and pricetag of a more formal race. most of the 5Ks in my area cost $25 to $35 to enter, so it isn't really worth it to race more than a handful of times per season, and I feel like I'm less likely to take risks because if I crash and burn I've just wasted a decent chunk of money with nothing to show for my efforts but a cheap "complimentary" tech shirt and a free beer

in walked airbud (unregistered), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 05:09 (one month ago) link

has anyone been running any races during the COVID era? I'm new to road racing but ended up completing four 5Ks between May and July. I feel like my strategy is still fairly weak/undeveloped at this point, though: I have a tendency to take off at an overly aggressive pace for the first couple of minutes to keep up with the pack, slow down to an overly conservative pace for the better part of the race, and let loose for the last 800m or so, pretty much always ending with the sense that I've left too much gas in the tank. I also tend to agonize far too long over when to pass people. my goal is always to run more or less even splits (with allowances for hills) with maybe a slight kick at the end, but I never quite manage to execute that properly. even so, my times have been improving with each successive race, and I managed to finish first overall in two races, so I guess I'm not underperforming too badly in spite of my self-criticism

in terms of training, I've been running 30 mpw pretty consistently since the beginning of the year, typically doing one 8-to-10-mile long run and one 3-mile tempo run per week. I tried to throw in a weekly interval session (400/600/800m) and up my mileage to 35 mpw during racing season, but I wasn't very consistent with either of those aims — it's kinda hard to taper for a race on such a strict schedule. since my last race I've kept the tempo run but stopping doing intervals, maintaining 35 mpw and doing a few strides during one of my easy runs so I don't lose too much of my raw speed. when the weather cools down a bit, I'm planning to resume the speedwork (and maybe increase my mileage further?) in preparation for the fall racing season. part of the challenge is motivating myself to do workouts I hate/dread (mile repeats, hills, longer tempo runs) when I'm running solo without a coach or a club to keep me on track. my goal is to run an official sub-18-minute 5K before the end of the year, something I've achieved during a solo time trial but never during an actual race

― in walked airbud (unregistered), Friday, July 30, 2021 8:17 AM (five days ago)

Your training strategy is very similar to mine. I'd love to do more speedwork and tempo stuff, but with work/kids I often only have the time or headspace to pop an easy 3 miles at lunch. But I do enjoy my 8-to-10 milers on Saturday or Sunday. I haven't done any races since Feb 2020, though the Parkrun near where I live (in Poland) recently started up again, so I might just do a 5k to see where I am.

I'm nearing 40 and *think* I can get down to the mid 18:00s for a 5k with the proper training base. My best in HS was just under 17:00, and I could pop out low 17:00s consistently. A few years ago I had a goal to try and better my hs PB, but I'm not sure I can find the time and motivation now, sadly.

My one piece of advice for anyone trying to get into running: do not venture into the Letsrun.com forums. Every few years I innocently bring up a thread on Google about a running topic and remember what a cesspool that place is.

Sam Weller, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 08:41 (one month ago) link

I just wish parkrun was a thing in the US, because it seems like the perfect opportunity to enjoy yourself and maybe try out some new approaches without the pressure and pricetag of a more formal race.

Yeah, parkrun is fantastic for that. Hopefully starting back up here in Wales in the next few weeks but going to pop over the border to England this weekend to do my first one in a year and a half.

My pace is down at the moment but fairly sure it'll pick back up once I start doing parkruns again every Saturday. The social side of them is brilliant and as you say, there's no real pressure - it's good to take some easier and just enjoy the run or pace a friend to a PB but also good to race them as they're much better conditioning for race environments than running solo 5Ks in training.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 08:59 (one month ago) link

xp Those Let'srun.com forums are the worst! Not sure why serious runners also happen to be the biggest trolls, but here we are.

henry s, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 13:54 (one month ago) link

impromptu trail race at a ski resort tonight, 4.3 miles. i don't like races at all, find them stressful, don't like running around a bunch of people, but these local races at ski resorts can be useful in that they have a nice route for them and i can run it on weekends. half the battle of trail running sometimes is getting familiar with a trail system. and then dealing with mountain bikers.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 15:19 (one month ago) link

4.3 miles with 1200' elevation gain, that's right about my limit. i will be going slow on this one. goal is to find a nice gap between runners at an easy pace so i can enjoy the thing.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 15:22 (one month ago) link

well shit, how did it go?

in walked airbud (unregistered), Thursday, 12 August 2021 19:31 (one month ago) link


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